Oxford Boatyard

Forgive me if I've missed it, but there doesn't seem much comment here re a
story which has been covered several evenings on the BBC South News (we seem
to get one with lots of Oxford based stories)

BW have given notice to an Oxford Boatyard to leave, and there's been
protests etc, BW want to develop the site for flats etc. Doesn't seem as
though BW are acting in boaters interests, being more of a property
development company.

regards

IanC

River Tramp wrote:
> Forgive me if I've missed it, but there doesn't seem much comment here re a
> story which has been covered several evenings on the BBC South News (we seem
> to get one with lots of Oxford based stories)
>
> BW have given notice to an Oxford Boatyard to leave, and there's been
> protests etc, BW want to develop the site for flats etc. Doesn't seem as
> though BW are acting in boaters interests, being more of a property
> development company.
>
> regards
>
> IanC
>
>
Is this it?
http://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/o...6/NEWS0ZM.html

Ian Cornish" <"icornish at talk21 dot com wrote:
> River Tramp wrote:
>> Forgive me if I've missed it, but there doesn't seem much comment
>> here re a story which has been covered several evenings on the BBC
>> South News (we seem to get one with lots of Oxford based stories)
>>
>> BW have given notice to an Oxford Boatyard to leave, and there's been
>> protests etc, BW want to develop the site for flats etc. Doesn't
>> seem as though BW are acting in boaters interests, being more of a
>> property development company.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> IanC
>>
>>
> Is this it?
> http://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/o...6/NEWS0ZM.html

Yes, just downstream of College Cruisers.
IWA top brass are already onto this.

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In message <ztadncUyD94Hjb_fRVn-3A@giganews.com>, Neil Arlidge
<neil@tuesdaynightclub.co.uk> writes
>Ian Cornish" <"icornish at talk21 dot com wrote:
>> River Tramp wrote:
>>> Forgive me if I've missed it, but there doesn't seem much comment
>>> here re a story which has been covered several evenings on the BBC
>>> South News (we seem to get one with lots of Oxford based stories)
>>>
>>> BW have given notice to an Oxford Boatyard to leave, and there's been
>>> protests etc, BW want to develop the site for flats etc. Doesn't
>>> seem as though BW are acting in boaters interests, being more of a
>>> property development company.
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>> IanC
>>>
>>>
>> Is this it?
>>
>>http://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/o...05/02/26/NEWS0
>>ZM.html
>
>Yes, just downstream of College Cruisers.
>IWA top brass are already onto this.
>
Possibly worth petitioning BW?

I'd be prepared to start a petition at <http://www.petitiononline.com>
and submit to BW if there's likely to be enough signatories to make it
worth while.

Will
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David Long wrote:

> >
> If it's reached the stage where BW are contracted to yield up vacant
> possession, presumably all Planning Consents etc have already been
> obtained - in which case, it's a bit late to start moaning now.
> --

Whilst this is true, the deal seems to have got this far because BW
didn't tell anyone what they were up to.

So... the noise must be towards getting more consultation with user
groups, otherwise it's going to happen again and again.

BW is not a private company out to make vast profits from land-deals,
though that is the way they behave sometimes. They are asset stripping.

BW is an administrative authority charged with the care of a public
amenity. In short, they work for us [in theory]. They need reminding of
this.

So, I don't think boaters should just roll over on this one. We might
be too late to stop this deal, but we could prevent the next, if we can
find out what it is in time.

Tony H

Someone has already started a petition at

http://www.petitionthem.com/default....etail&pet=1604

315 and counting...

David Long wrote:
> The planning system is such that the proposals must have been in the
> public domain.

Planning permission has not (yet) been granted. Application was made in
July 2003 (incidentally the applicant is given as "Bellway Homes
Ltd/British Waterways"), and Oxford City Council refused it in May 2004.
It has now gone to appeal, and (according to the Guardian last week),
the public enquiry starts on the 8th March.

There's also a piece in today's Daily Telegraph, playing on the Philip
Pullman connection.

Guardian:
http://society.guardian.co.uk/enviro...420238,00.html

The planning application is buried on Oxford City Council's website at
http://tinyurl.com/6nxk2

Daily Telegraph:
http://tinyurl.com/4xbr9

Andrew

Andrew Instone-Cowie wrote:
> David Long wrote:
>> The planning system is such that the proposals must have been in the
>> public domain.
>
> Planning permission has not (yet) been granted. Application was made
> in July 2003 (incidentally the applicant is given as "Bellway Homes
> Ltd/British Waterways")

It was Bellway / BW that tried to re-develop FMC / Goldbergs Wharf beside
Uxbridge Boating Centre dry dock, are Bellway BW's "approved" developer?
This application for 3 story apartments was thrown out, mostly due to IWA /
boaters protest. We wait for ammended plans / them going to Sec. State.

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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:44:32 +0000, David Long <David@n0ne.c0m> wrote:

>In message <38gjv8F5lf0acU1@individual.net>, Andrew Instone-Cowie
><address-not-read@datagram.co.uk> writes
>>David Long wrote:
>>> The planning system is such that the proposals must have been in the
>>>public domain.
>>
>>Planning permission has not (yet) been granted. Application was made in
>>July 2003 (incidentally the applicant is given as "Bellway Homes
>>Ltd/British Waterways"), and Oxford City Council refused it in May
>>2004. It has now gone to appeal, and (according to the Guardian last
>>week), the public enquiry starts on the 8th March.
>>
>In which case, BW seem to have promised more than they are, presently,
>free to deliver.
>
>Debbie Walker, spokesman for British Waterways, said: "All I can say at
>this stage is we are contracted to Bellway Homes to provide a vacant
>site so, if necessary, we will take legal action to enforce our rights
>as landlord."
>
This is now the standard developer's tactic to obtain planning
permission. Turn the site into an unattractive wasteland, and keep it
that way.
>
>Seems worth a battle...

Indeed.

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In message <O5CdnSv2zJ9lvr7fRVn-rw@giganews.com>, Neil Arlidge
<neil@tuesdaynightclub.co.uk> writes
>Andrew Instone-Cowie wrote:
>> David Long wrote:
>>> The planning system is such that the proposals must have been in the
>>> public domain.
>>
>> Planning permission has not (yet) been granted. Application was made
>> in July 2003 (incidentally the applicant is given as "Bellway Homes
>> Ltd/British Waterways")
>
>It was Bellway / BW that tried to re-develop FMC / Goldbergs Wharf beside
>Uxbridge Boating Centre dry dock, are Bellway BW's "approved" developer?
>This application for 3 story apartments was thrown out, mostly due to IWA /
>boaters protest. We wait for ammended plans / them going to Sec. State.
>

Do I see a bit too much B W in the name Bell Way?

Bob.

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"Drifter" <thedrifters@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1109579313.696969.136320@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
>
> David Long wrote:
>
>> >
>> If it's reached the stage where BW are contracted to yield up vacant
>> possession, presumably all Planning Consents etc have already been
>> obtained - in which case, it's a bit late to start moaning now.
>> --
>
> Whilst this is true, the deal seems to have got this far because BW
> didn't tell anyone what they were up to.

Im not sure without looking at their accounts Tony , you could tell what
they are up to until permission goes in . Where I live Warfield /Ascot
area..builders will pay large retainers to land owners for years sometimes ,
so as to apply for permission on their land , happened to a chap I knew who
owned a stables on about 15 acres , he was getting 20 grand a year on a
retainer and that was in the last boom/bust cycle . I wonder how much of a
retainer they {BW} are being paid for land that hasnt even been applied for
planning permission yet Tony ?

Regards
Paul

	#1
River Tramp	Oxford Boatyard Forgive me if I've missed it, but there doesn't seem much comment here re a story which has been covered several evenings on the BBC South News (we seem to get one with lots of Oxford based stories) BW have given notice to an Oxford Boatyard to leave, and there's been protests etc, BW want to develop the site for flats etc. Doesn't seem as though BW are acting in boaters interests, being more of a property development company. regards IanC

	#2
Ian Cornish	Re: Oxford Boatyard River Tramp wrote: > Forgive me if I've missed it, but there doesn't seem much comment here re a > story which has been covered several evenings on the BBC South News (we seem > to get one with lots of Oxford based stories) > > BW have given notice to an Oxford Boatyard to leave, and there's been > protests etc, BW want to develop the site for flats etc. Doesn't seem as > though BW are acting in boaters interests, being more of a property > development company. > > regards > > IanC > > Is this it? http://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/o...6/NEWS0ZM.html

	#3
Neil Arlidge	Re: Oxford Boatyard Ian Cornish" <"icornish at talk21 dot com wrote: > River Tramp wrote: >> Forgive me if I've missed it, but there doesn't seem much comment >> here re a story which has been covered several evenings on the BBC >> South News (we seem to get one with lots of Oxford based stories) >> >> BW have given notice to an Oxford Boatyard to leave, and there's been >> protests etc, BW want to develop the site for flats etc. Doesn't >> seem as though BW are acting in boaters interests, being more of a >> property development company. >> >> regards >> >> IanC >> >> > Is this it? > http://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/o...6/NEWS0ZM.html Yes, just downstream of College Cruisers. IWA top brass are already onto this. -- Neil Arlidge - NB Earnest Follow the travels of the TNC at : http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk

	#4
Will Wilkinson	Re: Oxford Boatyard In message <ztadncUyD94Hjb_fRVn-3A@giganews.com>, Neil Arlidge <neil@tuesdaynightclub.co.uk> writes >Ian Cornish" <"icornish at talk21 dot com wrote: >> River Tramp wrote: >>> Forgive me if I've missed it, but there doesn't seem much comment >>> here re a story which has been covered several evenings on the BBC >>> South News (we seem to get one with lots of Oxford based stories) >>> >>> BW have given notice to an Oxford Boatyard to leave, and there's been >>> protests etc, BW want to develop the site for flats etc. Doesn't >>> seem as though BW are acting in boaters interests, being more of a >>> property development company. >>> >>> regards >>> >>> IanC >>> >>> >> Is this it? >> >>http://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/o...05/02/26/NEWS0 >>ZM.html > >Yes, just downstream of College Cruisers. >IWA top brass are already onto this. > Possibly worth petitioning BW? I'd be prepared to start a petition at <http://www.petitiononline.com> and submit to BW if there's likely to be enough signatories to make it worth while. Will 1/12 NB Sometimes -- lancre dot net - The personal domain of Will and Cath Wilkinson. Send e-mail to news dot will at lancre dot net PGP Fingerprint E089 1736 A023 9E5C AFA3 0B40 E5DC D80A 9E1F D521 Public key can be obtained from ldap://certserver.pgp.com

	#5
Drifter	Re: Oxford Boatyard David Long wrote: > > > If it's reached the stage where BW are contracted to yield up vacant > possession, presumably all Planning Consents etc have already been > obtained - in which case, it's a bit late to start moaning now. > -- Whilst this is true, the deal seems to have got this far because BW didn't tell anyone what they were up to. So... the noise must be towards getting more consultation with user groups, otherwise it's going to happen again and again. BW is not a private company out to make vast profits from land-deals, though that is the way they behave sometimes. They are asset stripping. BW is an administrative authority charged with the care of a public amenity. In short, they work for us [in theory]. They need reminding of this. So, I don't think boaters should just roll over on this one. We might be too late to stop this deal, but we could prevent the next, if we can find out what it is in time. Tony H

	#6
mickspangle	Re: Oxford Boatyard Someone has already started a petition at http://www.petitionthem.com/default....etail&pet=1604 315 and counting...

	#7
Andrew Instone-Cowie	Re: Oxford Boatyard David Long wrote: > The planning system is such that the proposals must have been in the > public domain. Planning permission has not (yet) been granted. Application was made in July 2003 (incidentally the applicant is given as "Bellway Homes Ltd/British Waterways"), and Oxford City Council refused it in May 2004. It has now gone to appeal, and (according to the Guardian last week), the public enquiry starts on the 8th March. There's also a piece in today's Daily Telegraph, playing on the Philip Pullman connection. Guardian: http://society.guardian.co.uk/enviro...420238,00.html The planning application is buried on Oxford City Council's website at http://tinyurl.com/6nxk2 Daily Telegraph: http://tinyurl.com/4xbr9 Andrew

	#8
Neil Arlidge	Re: Oxford Boatyard Andrew Instone-Cowie wrote: > David Long wrote: >> The planning system is such that the proposals must have been in the >> public domain. > > Planning permission has not (yet) been granted. Application was made > in July 2003 (incidentally the applicant is given as "Bellway Homes > Ltd/British Waterways") It was Bellway / BW that tried to re-develop FMC / Goldbergs Wharf beside Uxbridge Boating Centre dry dock, are Bellway BW's "approved" developer? This application for 3 story apartments was thrown out, mostly due to IWA / boaters protest. We wait for ammended plans / them going to Sec. State. -- Neil Arlidge - NB Earnest Follow the travels of the TNC at : http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk

	#9
Don Aitken	Re: Oxford Boatyard On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:44:32 +0000, David Long <David@n0ne.c0m> wrote: >In message <38gjv8F5lf0acU1@individual.net>, Andrew Instone-Cowie ><address-not-read@datagram.co.uk> writes >>David Long wrote: >>> The planning system is such that the proposals must have been in the >>>public domain. >> >>Planning permission has not (yet) been granted. Application was made in >>July 2003 (incidentally the applicant is given as "Bellway Homes >>Ltd/British Waterways"), and Oxford City Council refused it in May >>2004. It has now gone to appeal, and (according to the Guardian last >>week), the public enquiry starts on the 8th March. >> >In which case, BW seem to have promised more than they are, presently, >free to deliver. > >Debbie Walker, spokesman for British Waterways, said: "All I can say at >this stage is we are contracted to Bellway Homes to provide a vacant >site so, if necessary, we will take legal action to enforce our rights >as landlord." > This is now the standard developer's tactic to obtain planning permission. Turn the site into an unattractive wasteland, and keep it that way. > >Seems worth a battle... Indeed. -- Don Aitken Mail to the addresses given in the headers is no longer being read. To mail me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com".

	#10
Bob Adams	Re: Oxford Boatyard In message <O5CdnSv2zJ9lvr7fRVn-rw@giganews.com>, Neil Arlidge <neil@tuesdaynightclub.co.uk> writes >Andrew Instone-Cowie wrote: >> David Long wrote: >>> The planning system is such that the proposals must have been in the >>> public domain. >> >> Planning permission has not (yet) been granted. Application was made >> in July 2003 (incidentally the applicant is given as "Bellway Homes >> Ltd/British Waterways") > >It was Bellway / BW that tried to re-develop FMC / Goldbergs Wharf beside >Uxbridge Boating Centre dry dock, are Bellway BW's "approved" developer? >This application for 3 story apartments was thrown out, mostly due to IWA / >boaters protest. We wait for ammended plans / them going to Sec. State. > Do I see a bit too much B W in the name Bell Way? Bob. -- Bob Adams - nb Rivendell email address: bob55@ntlworld.com

	#11
paul	Re: Oxford Boatyard "Drifter" <thedrifters@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message news:1109579313.696969.136320@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com... > > David Long wrote: > >> > >> If it's reached the stage where BW are contracted to yield up vacant >> possession, presumably all Planning Consents etc have already been >> obtained - in which case, it's a bit late to start moaning now. >> -- > > Whilst this is true, the deal seems to have got this far because BW > didn't tell anyone what they were up to. Im not sure without looking at their accounts Tony , you could tell what they are up to until permission goes in . Where I live Warfield /Ascot area..builders will pay large retainers to land owners for years sometimes , so as to apply for permission on their land , happened to a chap I knew who owned a stables on about 15 acres , he was getting 20 grand a year on a retainer and that was in the last boom/bust cycle . I wonder how much of a retainer they {BW} are being paid for land that hasnt even been applied for planning permission yet Tony ? Regards Paul