torresD

PHOTOS
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0430-01.htm

The Crusader

"torresD" <torresD30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> PHOTOS
> http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0430-01.htm
>
>

Well this is great. Just think. Kerry has some more contemporary material to
add to his anti-American war protests.


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The Crusader wrote:

> "torresD" <torresD30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dFxkc.645$Hs1.193@newsread2.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
>
>>PHOTOS
>>http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0430-01.htm
>>
>>
>
>
> Well this is great. Just think. Kerry has some more contemporary material to
> add to his anti-American war protests.

Although Common Dreams is almost identical to Al Jazeera, there is some
evidence that these atrocties took place. This is why the soldiers
involved were suspended from duty and may face court martials or
reprimands. The U.S. does not condone this sort of thing.

I wonder why TorresD remained silent, though, when his/her friend Saddam
was doing far worse to his own people: unsuccessful soccer players
tortured and crippled by Uday, women thrown to Uday's attack dogs,
political enemies put into plastic shredders, and so on. TorresD had
absolutely nothing to say about these things.

--Bill

http://www.omdurman.org/

WayneRogers@noad.here

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:40:02 GMT, Bill Levinson
<wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote:

>
>
>The Crusader wrote:
>
>> "torresD" <torresD30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:dFxkc.645$Hs1.193@newsread2.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
>>
>>>PHOTOS
>>>http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0430-01.htm
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Well this is great. Just think. Kerry has some more contemporary material to
>> add to his anti-American war protests.
>
>Although Common Dreams is almost identical to Al Jazeera, there is some
>evidence that these atrocties took place. This is why the soldiers
>involved were suspended from duty and may face court martials or
>reprimands. The U.S. does not condone this sort of thing.
>
>I wonder why TorresD remained silent, though, when his/her friend Saddam
>was doing far worse to his own people: unsuccessful soccer players
>tortured and crippled by Uday, women thrown to Uday's attack dogs,
>political enemies put into plastic shredders, and so on. TorresD had
>absolutely nothing to say about these things.
>
Do you have pictures or any evidence of these events?
Didn't these stories come from the same people who told us Saddam had WMD ready
to attack the US at a moments notice.

Bill Levinson

WayneRogers@noad.here wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:40:02 GMT, Bill Levinson
> <wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>The Crusader wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"torresD" <torresD30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:dFxkc.645$Hs1.193@newsread2.news.pas.earth link.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>PHOTOS
>>>>http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0430-01.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Well this is great. Just think. Kerry has some more contemporary material to
>>>add to his anti-American war protests.
>>
>>Although Common Dreams is almost identical to Al Jazeera, there is some
>>evidence that these atrocties took place. This is why the soldiers
>>involved were suspended from duty and may face court martials or
>>reprimands. The U.S. does not condone this sort of thing.
>>
>>I wonder why TorresD remained silent, though, when his/her friend Saddam
>>was doing far worse to his own people: unsuccessful soccer players
>>tortured and crippled by Uday, women thrown to Uday's attack dogs,
>>political enemies put into plastic shredders, and so on. TorresD had
>>absolutely nothing to say about these things.
>>
>
> Do you have pictures or any evidence of these events?
> Didn't these stories come from the same people who told us Saddam had WMD ready
> to attack the US at a moments notice.

The Iraqis themselves attest to these practices (they were victims or
their families were).

--Bill

WayneRogers@noad.here

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:40:02 GMT, Bill Levinson
<wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote:

>
>
>The Crusader wrote:
>
>> "torresD" <torresD30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:dFxkc.645$Hs1.193@newsread2.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
>>
>>>PHOTOS
>>>http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0430-01.htm
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Well this is great. Just think. Kerry has some more contemporary material to
>> add to his anti-American war protests.
>
>Although Common Dreams is almost identical to Al Jazeera, there is some
>evidence that these atrocties took place. This is why the soldiers
>involved were suspended from duty and may face court martials or
>reprimands. The U.S. does not condone this sort of thing.
>
>I wonder why TorresD remained silent, though, when his/her friend Saddam
>was doing far worse to his own people: unsuccessful soccer players
>tortured and crippled by Uday, women thrown to Uday's attack dogs,
>political enemies put into plastic shredders, and so on. TorresD had
>absolutely nothing to say about these things.
>
Did you hear the story about Saddam raping a woman and when she had the nerve to
press charges she was found dead from an 'apparent' suicide before Saddam could
be brought to trial.

It's true every word completely documented.

Oops my mistake, it wasn't Saddam it was GWBush!

The Crusader

"Bill Levinson" <wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote in message
news:SIzkc.544$a47.105@newsread3.news.atl.earthlin k.net...
>
>
> The Crusader wrote:
>
> > "torresD" <torresD30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:dFxkc.645$Hs1.193@newsread2.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
> >
> >>PHOTOS
> >>http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0430-01.htm
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Well this is great. Just think. Kerry has some more contemporary
material to
> > add to his anti-American war protests.
>
> Although Common Dreams is almost identical to Al Jazeera, there is some
> evidence that these atrocties took place. This is why the soldiers
> involved were suspended from duty and may face court martials or
> reprimands. The U.S. does not condone this sort of thing.
>
> I wonder why TorresD remained silent, though, when his/her friend Saddam
> was doing far worse to his own people: unsuccessful soccer players
> tortured and crippled by Uday, women thrown to Uday's attack dogs,
> political enemies put into plastic shredders, and so on. TorresD had
> absolutely nothing to say about these things.
>
> --Bill
>
> http://www.omdurman.org/
>

Aw, that's just Diane. She always takes the anti-American stance. As for
these guys. If it is proven they did what is alledged, they should get the
max. Twice maybe.


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his allegiance.

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to his sovereign or government; duty owed to
a sovereign or state.

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WayneRogers@noad.here

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:56:14 GMT, Bill Levinson
<wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote:

>The Iraqis themselves

Name them.

Mr. N

"The Crusader" <southtexnet@southtexnet.net> wrote in message
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> Aw, that's just Diane. She always takes the anti-American stance.

What "anti-American stance" is that?

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The Crusader

<WayneRogers@noad.here> wrote in message
news:40j5909iiaisf1r77u908ceeqm8l1197s2@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:40:02 GMT, Bill Levinson
> <wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >The Crusader wrote:
> >
> >> "torresD" <torresD30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:dFxkc.645$Hs1.193@newsread2.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
> >>
> >>>PHOTOS
> >>>http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0430-01.htm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Well this is great. Just think. Kerry has some more contemporary
material to
> >> add to his anti-American war protests.
> >
> >Although Common Dreams is almost identical to Al Jazeera, there is some
> >evidence that these atrocties took place. This is why the soldiers
> >involved were suspended from duty and may face court martials or
> >reprimands. The U.S. does not condone this sort of thing.
> >
> >I wonder why TorresD remained silent, though, when his/her friend Saddam
> >was doing far worse to his own people: unsuccessful soccer players
> >tortured and crippled by Uday, women thrown to Uday's attack dogs,
> >political enemies put into plastic shredders, and so on. TorresD had
> >absolutely nothing to say about these things.
> >
> Did you hear the story about Saddam raping a woman and when she had the
nerve to
> press charges she was found dead from an 'apparent' suicide before Saddam
could
> be brought to trial.
>
> It's true every word completely documented.
>
> Oops my mistake, it wasn't Saddam it was GWBush!

You've been readin too much Fort Bend Star. Call Beverly and ask he why they
pulled the story almost immediately.


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So you are a Republican. That just means you
have to have someone tell you what to think.
Oh, you are a Democrat. That just means you
have to have someone teach you how to think.

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In hot pursuit of making
government responsive
to what's important.

Neal Atkins

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 22:04:37 GMT, WayneRogers@noad.here wrote:

>On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:56:14 GMT, Bill Levinson
><wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote:
>
>>The Iraqis themselves
>
>Name them.

Abdul wanaskldfkl. You can find him at the corner of 3rd and Jihad in
Baghdad.

Steven Litvintchouk

WayneRogers@noad.here wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:56:14 GMT, Bill Levinson
> <wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote:
>
>
>>The Iraqis themselves
>
>
> Name them.

Go here.
This NGO is busy preparing evidence to use against Saddam in his trial.
http://www.indict.org.uk/

Look, even for lefties to try to deny what a monster Saddam was, is just
being perverse.



-- Steven L.

Steven Litvintchouk

WayneRogers@noad.here wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:40:02 GMT, Bill Levinson
> <wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>The Crusader wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"torresD" <torresD30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:dFxkc.645$Hs1.193@newsread2.news.pas.earth link.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>PHOTOS
>>>>http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0430-01.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Well this is great. Just think. Kerry has some more contemporary material to
>>>add to his anti-American war protests.
>>
>>Although Common Dreams is almost identical to Al Jazeera, there is some
>>evidence that these atrocties took place. This is why the soldiers
>>involved were suspended from duty and may face court martials or
>>reprimands. The U.S. does not condone this sort of thing.
>>
>>I wonder why TorresD remained silent, though, when his/her friend Saddam
>>was doing far worse to his own people: unsuccessful soccer players
>>tortured and crippled by Uday, women thrown to Uday's attack dogs,
>>political enemies put into plastic shredders, and so on. TorresD had
>>absolutely nothing to say about these things.
>>
>
> Did you hear the story about Saddam raping a woman and when she had the nerve to
> press charges she was found dead from an 'apparent' suicide before Saddam could
> be brought to trial.
>
> It's true every word completely documented.
>
> Oops my mistake, it wasn't Saddam it was GWBush!

What you are doing, is the left-wing equivalent of Holocaust denial.

http://www.indict.org.uk/



-- Steven L.

mapp

Steven Litvintchouk <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:H4Bkc.665$a47.169@newsread3.news.atl.earthlin k.net...
>
>
> WayneRogers@noad.here wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:40:02 GMT, Bill Levinson
> > <wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >>The Crusader wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"torresD" <torresD30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:dFxkc.645$Hs1.193@newsread2.news.pas.earth link.net...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>PHOTOS
> >>>>http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0430-01.htm
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Well this is great. Just think. Kerry has some more contemporary
material to
> >>>add to his anti-American war protests.
> >>
> >>Although Common Dreams is almost identical to Al Jazeera, there is some
> >>evidence that these atrocties took place. This is why the soldiers
> >>involved were suspended from duty and may face court martials or
> >>reprimands. The U.S. does not condone this sort of thing.
> >>
> >>I wonder why TorresD remained silent, though, when his/her friend Saddam
> >>was doing far worse to his own people: unsuccessful soccer players
> >>tortured and crippled by Uday, women thrown to Uday's attack dogs,
> >>political enemies put into plastic shredders, and so on. TorresD had
> >>absolutely nothing to say about these things.
> >>
> >
> > Did you hear the story about Saddam raping a woman and when she had the
nerve to
> > press charges she was found dead from an 'apparent' suicide before
Saddam could
> > be brought to trial.
> >
> > It's true every word completely documented.
> >
> > Oops my mistake, it wasn't Saddam it was GWBush!
>
> What you are doing, is the left-wing equivalent of Holocaust denial.
>
> http://www.indict.org.uk/
>

calling something the "left-wing" equivalanet of Holocaust denial implies
that holocaust denial is exclusively the domain of (lunatic) right-wingers.

not true. lunatics in both camps have engaged in HDenial. it's not
strictly a rightwing thang.

whit

>
>
> -- Steven L.
>
>
>
>

pkgojak

"Bill Levinson" <wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote in message
news:SIzkc.544$a47.105@newsread3.news.atl.earthlin k.net...
>
>
> The Crusader wrote:
>
> > "torresD" <torresD30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:dFxkc.645$Hs1.193@newsread2.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
> >
> >>PHOTOS
> >>http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0430-01.htm
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Well this is great. Just think. Kerry has some more contemporary
material to
> > add to his anti-American war protests.
>
> Although Common Dreams is almost identical to Al Jazeera, there is some
> evidence that these atrocties took place. This is why the soldiers
> involved were suspended from duty and may face court martials or
> reprimands. The U.S. does not condone this sort of thing.
>
> I wonder why TorresD remained silent, though, when his/her friend Saddam
> was doing far worse to his own people: unsuccessful soccer players
> tortured and crippled by Uday, women thrown to Uday's attack dogs,
> political enemies put into plastic shredders, and so on. TorresD had
> absolutely nothing to say about these things.

Please cite for us where you wrote of such happenings and expressed your
outrage to the world.



>
> --Bill
>
> http://www.omdurman.org/
>

pkgojak

"Bill Levinson" <wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote in message
news:2Yzkc.577$a47.301@newsread3.news.atl.earthlin k.net...
>
>
> WayneRogers@noad.here wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:40:02 GMT, Bill Levinson
> > <wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >>The Crusader wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"torresD" <torresD30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:dFxkc.645$Hs1.193@newsread2.news.pas.earth link.net...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>PHOTOS
> >>>>http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0430-01.htm
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Well this is great. Just think. Kerry has some more contemporary
material to
> >>>add to his anti-American war protests.
> >>
> >>Although Common Dreams is almost identical to Al Jazeera, there is some
> >>evidence that these atrocties took place. This is why the soldiers
> >>involved were suspended from duty and may face court martials or
> >>reprimands. The U.S. does not condone this sort of thing.
> >>
> >>I wonder why TorresD remained silent, though, when his/her friend Saddam
> >>was doing far worse to his own people: unsuccessful soccer players
> >>tortured and crippled by Uday, women thrown to Uday's attack dogs,
> >>political enemies put into plastic shredders, and so on. TorresD had
> >>absolutely nothing to say about these things.
> >>
> >
> > Do you have pictures or any evidence of these events?
> > Didn't these stories come from the same people who told us Saddam had
WMD ready
> > to attack the US at a moments notice.
>
> The Iraqis themselves attest to these practices (they were victims or
> their families were).

And now you attest to them in a "told you so" kind of way. You're a
typical chickenhawk..... Hope your thin rationaliztion makes you feel
better.




>
> --Bill
>

james

In article <SIzkc.544$a47.105@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.ne t>,
Bill Levinson <wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote:

>I wonder why TorresD remained silent, though, when his/her friend Saddam
>was doing far worse to his own people.

So if I understand you correctly, then, since there have been evil men
in charge of armies and nations, it's okay for those who wear the
uniforms of the United States Armed Forces to commit whatever atrocities
they'd like. Is that what you're getting at? Two wrongs make a right
in your world, even if the latest wrong happens to be a wartime atrocity
committed by an American?

It's not OK, and in my mind, you only make it WORSE by suggesting that I
shouldn't be outraged just because Saddam Hussein was an evil dictator.

With your logic, I ought to be allowed to exterminate the inhabitants of
Mexico on the justifaction that the Conquistadors were murderous
assholes.

Fortunately for sanity, and unfortunately for the traitors and war
criminals who pretend to wear the uniform and flag of the US, the world
doesn't work that way.

Frankly, I'm surprised that the whole Coalition hasn't been disbanded
over this. Hell, I'm surprised that the UN hasn't yet unanimously
denounced the US, dissolved the organization, and regrouped into an
opposition force.

But, as has been consistently reinforced, Might Makes Right, and US
Rules OK.

Mack North

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:19:37 GMT, "torresD" <torresD30@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>PHOTOS
>http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0430-01.htm
>

Rightwingers are bursting into tears at this moment.

---Mack

MrPepper11

"torresD" <torresD30@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<dFxkc.645$Hs1.193@newsread2.news.pas.earthli nk.net>...
> PHOTOS
> http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0430-01.htm

And people wonder why Iraqis - even little kids - hate their liberators so much.

Steven Litvintchouk

mapp wrote:
> Steven Litvintchouk <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
> news:H4Bkc.665$a47.169@newsread3.news.atl.earthlin k.net...
>
>>
>>WayneRogers@noad.here wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:40:02 GMT, Bill Levinson
>>><wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The Crusader wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"torresD" <torresD30@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:dFxkc.645$Hs1.193@newsread2.news.pas.ear thlink.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>PHOTOS
>>>>>>http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0430-01.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Well this is great. Just think. Kerry has some more contemporary
>
> material to
>
>>>>>add to his anti-American war protests.
>>>>
>>>>Although Common Dreams is almost identical to Al Jazeera, there is some
>>>>evidence that these atrocties took place. This is why the soldiers
>>>>involved were suspended from duty and may face court martials or
>>>>reprimands. The U.S. does not condone this sort of thing.
>>>>
>>>>I wonder why TorresD remained silent, though, when his/her friend Saddam
>>>>was doing far worse to his own people: unsuccessful soccer players
>>>>tortured and crippled by Uday, women thrown to Uday's attack dogs,
>>>>political enemies put into plastic shredders, and so on. TorresD had
>>>>absolutely nothing to say about these things.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Did you hear the story about Saddam raping a woman and when she had the
>
> nerve to
>
>>>press charges she was found dead from an 'apparent' suicide before
>
> Saddam could
>
>>>be brought to trial.
>>>
>>>It's true every word completely documented.
>>>
>>>Oops my mistake, it wasn't Saddam it was GWBush!
>>
>>What you are doing, is the left-wing equivalent of Holocaust denial.
>>
>>http://www.indict.org.uk/
>>
>
>
> calling something the "left-wing" equivalanet of Holocaust denial implies
> that holocaust denial is exclusively the domain of (lunatic) right-wingers.

I didn't mean to imply that. Of course Holocaust deniers exist in both
the far left and the far right.

But so far at least, the ONLY folks who refuse to accept the carefully
documented reality of Saddam's crimes are the far-left-wing and the
Islamists who've been brainwashed by their mullahs.



-- Steven L.

Kenneth Almquist

Steven Litvintchouk <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
] WayneRogers@noad.here wrote:
]
]> On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:56:14 GMT, Bill Levinson
]> <wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote:
]>
]>
]>>The Iraqis themselves
]>
]>
]> Name them.
]
] Go here.
] This NGO is busy preparing evidence to use against Saddam in his trial.
] http://www.indict.org.uk/

I didn't find any names on this site, just anonymous quotes. The
site states that the quotes were gathered over a six year period,
so it seems likely that the many, if not all, of the quotes predate
the American invasion. This means that this organization faced the
same problem that the United States faced when trying to determine
whether Saddam posessed WMD: there were people who opposed Saddam
and were trying to generate international support for regime change
by spreading anti-Saddam propaganda.

In short, there appears to be no way to tell whether the quotes on
the site are anti-Saddam propaganda, or accurate descriptions of
actual events. We may find out when Saddam is put on trial.
Kenneth Almquist