torresD

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml

Dan Mercer

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http://www.inform.umd.edu/News/Diamo...8/cartoon.html

Dan Mercer

Dan Mercer

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And more:

http://www.honestreporting.com/artic..._Continued.asp
Rachel Corrie, Continued
In the wake of a fatal bulldozer incident, irresponsible photo captions and disparate editorial cartoons.



The circumstances of American college student Rachel Corrie's March 16 death beneath an IDF bulldozer in Gaza remain unclear. The
key unanswered question: Was Corrie visible and/or audible to the IDF driver just before the accident?

The consumer public got a huge dose of misleading information when Associated Press distributed a photo showing Corrie, standing in
(apparently) direct view of the bulldozer driver, dressed in orange and speaking into a megaphone in the direction of the oncoming
vehicle.

The AP caption reads: "Rachel was run over Sunday by the bulldozer that she was trying to stop from tearing down a building in the
Rafah refugee camp, witnesses said."

See the AP photo at:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...168/3j4y0.html

The problem with the AP photo caption is that readers are led to believe that this photo depicts the very scene and moment of the
accident. The implication is criminal recklessness on the part of the IDF driver.

In fact, however, this photo was NOT taken in the moments before Corrie's death. Joseph Smith, of the pro-Palestinian International
Solidarity Movement, was the photographer and wrote a chronological account of the incident (published on pro-Palestinian websites).

Smith says that the photo of Corrie "standing with megaphone" is ascribed to the time period 2pm-4pm. In addition, during this
period, Smith notes that the bulldozer "always stopped in time to avoid injuring them."

At the time of Corrie's death (5pm), Smith describes Corrie as "sitting, with arms waving" (no megaphone), and another colleague
holding the megaphone from a distance.

Additionally, one key point that Smith does not mention is that the bulldozers shown in the two photos are different types. The
later photo is a bulldozer with much smaller windows, and hence reduced visibility.

Read Smith's account at:
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1284.shtml

Thus, the AP photo and caption fails to note the two most essential factors in determining visibility or lack thereof: 1) Corrie was
no longer standing, but had changed to a sitting position, and 2) she was no longer in possession of attention-grabbing megaphone.

When publishing such a photo, AP is obligated to explain details of chronology; in the absence of any information, readers presume
that since the bulldozer appears 8-10 feet away from Corrie, the photographer must have snapped the picture moments before the
bulldozer hit her.

This photo was published by many of the 15,000 media outlets that AP services. And though the accompanying articles may provide
clarifying information, a picture is worth a thousand words. In this case, by not providing a caption that clearly counterbalances
the easy "misread," AP has misrepresented Corrie's death and contributed to a worldwide slander of the IDF.

Please send comments to AP:
feedback@ap.org

* * *

An example of how the Corrie photo was misused appears in the CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR, which ran this photo caption:

"Death of a protester: Rachel Corrie, wearing a reflective Day-Glo jacket, shouts through a bullhorn at an oncoming Israeli army
bulldozer in southern Gaza Sunday moments before it ran her over."
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0318/p06s01-wome.html

"Moments before"?!

Comments to:
oped@csps.com

Update: below is the text of a clarification from the Christian Science Monitor (April 2):

A number of letter writers have complained that in the March 18 issue the caption of Associated Press photo of American Rachel
Corrie was incorrect. The photo was not taken "moments before" she was run over by an Israeli bulldozer, but at least 45 minutes
before her death, says Joe Smith, the photographer...
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0402/p06s01-wogn.html

Unfortunately, the photo caption remains uncorrected online at:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0318/p06s01-wome.html

* * *

Meanwhile, CNN.com juxtaposed a pair of "before and after" photos, which implied a particularly ambiguous sense of chronology. But
when HonestReporting.com provided additional information, CNN issued a "Caption Clarification." See it at:
http://cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/1...ath/index.html

HonestReporting encourages members to monitor your local media to see if they used the misleading photos, as well as what
information was provided in the photo caption and/or article itself to counterbalance any misconceptions.

Indeed, The New York Times issued the following correction:

"A picture caption on March 17 with an article about an American protester who was crushed by an Israeli Army bulldozer in Gaza
referred incorrectly to the bulldozer shown. It was one that the protester, Rachel Corrie, had earlier tried to stop from destroying
a Palestinian home. It was not the one that killed her."
http://nytimes.com/2003/03/26/pageon...rrections.html

---- DANZIGER CARTOON ----

In the wake of this media misstep, nationally syndicated political cartoonist Jeff Danzinger issued a cartoon worthy of appearance
in the most entrenched anti-Semitic Mideast rags. Danziger depicts Prime Minister Sharon as a satanic bulldozer driver, burying his
critics under a mound of dirt.

See the cartoon at:
http://www.danzigercartoons.com/cmp/...ziger1600.html

Danzinger's presentation of Sharon as a murderer of political opposition is particularly troubling in light of the fact that
Sharon's is the only truly democratic government in the Mideast, allowing -- even encouraging -- full and vocal opposition. And this
at a time when America is sacrificing its soldiers in order to promote democracy in the region.

Danziger's cartoons are distributed by the Chicago Tribune Media Syndicate, whose media relations director can be contacted at:
kbremer@tribune.com

Danziger himself may be reached at:
jeff@danzigercartoons.com

---- GHANDI AND KING? ----

Meanwhile, the Toledo (Ohio) Blade published an editorial that compares Corrie with none less than Mahatma Ghandi and Martin Luther
King Jr.

Did Corrie truly continue the legacy of Ghandi and King?

As noted in the previous HonestReporting communique, Corrie was photographed last month burning an American flag in Gaza before
young schoolchildren (http://honestreporting.com/graphics/articles/corrie.jpg). One wonders if the two true giants of human rights
struggle would be flattered by the comparison with the woman who appears in these photos.

Read the Toledo Blade editorial at:
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll...=2003103190095

Comments to the Managing Editor, Kurt Franck:
kfranck@theblade.com

---- CAMPUS DOUBLE STANDARD ----

A University of Maryland student newspaper has caused a stir by publishing an editorial cartoon that depicts Corrie's actions as the
definition of stupidity for protecting a "gang of terrorists."

See the cartoon at:
http://www.inform.umd.edu/News/Diamo...8/cartoon.html

In response, Univ. of Maryland students staged an overnight sit-in protest, the academic administration said the cartoon
"embarrassed the university" (see: http://www.inform.umd.edu/News/Diamo.../21/news3.html), and Maryland's U.S.
Congressman Albert Wynn publicly expressed his criticism.

Without addressing the question of the editorial prudence of publishing the cartoon, we ask: If the players in the event were
reversed, and a deceased Israeli were presented as "stupid," would the cartoon have elicited such protests of outrage from campus,
administrative, and public officials? We highly doubt it.

HermanG

This does qualify for the Darwin Award.

torresD wrote:
> http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml
>
>

Clave

"Bill" <justbillme@justice.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 23:26:14 GMT, "torresD" <torresD30@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml
> >
> Not justice, but a LIE. Lies to protect their own terrorist asses.
>
> Who killed Rachel Corrie?
>
> Rachel Corrie, the Olympia, Wash., college student killed...


<...blah, blah, blah...>


Nice objective piece there, Bill.

Is there some reason you neglected to mention that the article you quoted was
written by the notorious hate-radio gasbag Dennis Prager for TowhHall.com? Or
that TownHall.com is a mouthpiece for Richard Scaife's Heritage Foundation?

Probably just an oversight on your part, right?

Jim

Bill

On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 19:07:49 -0700, "Clave"
<ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:

>"Bill" <justbillme@justice.com> wrote in message
>news:18khgv8qrhqkgeopdd8vvsdvpieq52tgd0@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 23:26:14 GMT, "torresD" <torresD30@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml
>> >
>> Not justice, but a LIE. Lies to protect their own terrorist asses.
>>
>> Who killed Rachel Corrie?
>>
>> Rachel Corrie, the Olympia, Wash., college student killed...
>
>
><...blah, blah, blah...>
>
>
>Nice objective piece there, Bill.
>
>Is there some reason you neglected to mention that the article you quoted was
>written by the notorious hate-radio gasbag Dennis Prager for TowhHall.com? Or
>that TownHall.com is a mouthpiece for Richard Scaife's Heritage Foundation?
>
>Probably just an oversight on your part, right?
>
>Jim
>
I
It is more objective than anything I have seen you post.

Bill


"There will never be a nuclear war; there's too much
real estate involved."
-- Frank Zappa on the Tonight Show, C.A. 1988

Clave

"Bill" <justbillme@justice.com> wrote in message
news:ggohgvoghvq3g8mai6kpdt575955gkrfr0@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 19:52:29 -0700, "Clave"
> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:

<...>

> >What's really funny here is that you didn't include the author and source
> >precisely *because* you knew the article would be instantly discredited if
> >people knew where you got it. Like the hate-mongering content wasn't enough.
> >
> >Oh, and the "laughs at you" line would be really scathing if it weren't so
> >old, unoriginal and untrue. You should hang around the big kids some time
> >and update your material.
>
> So juinior, you continue your juvenile diatribe without addressing the
> issues. Time and time again - no facts just whine, snivel, obfuscate, and
> anything but discuss the issues. Liars just have to support liars within
> the house of lies, I guess.

Okay, smaller words this time.

I'm not refuting you with facts because you presented no facts of your own to
refute.

You posted a rabid, slobbering OPINION (hit-piece really) that ridiculed
Rachel Corrie's death, and frankly, the article doesn't deserve much more than
ridicule itself. Again, you're welcome, and you set yourself up for it.

That you keep stomping your little feets and whinging about "facts" and "issues"
is righteously hilarious, but I don't expect you to understand why any more than
I believe you actually read all of the article you posted, so I'll stop now.

Jim

Bill

On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 20:27:30 -0700, "Clave"
<ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:

>"Bill" <justbillme@justice.com> wrote in message
>news:ggohgvoghvq3g8mai6kpdt575955gkrfr0@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 19:52:29 -0700, "Clave"
>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
><...>
>
>> >What's really funny here is that you didn't include the author and source
>> >precisely *because* you knew the article would be instantly discredited if
>> >people knew where you got it. Like the hate-mongering content wasn't enough.
>> >
>> >Oh, and the "laughs at you" line would be really scathing if it weren't so
>> >old, unoriginal and untrue. You should hang around the big kids some time
>> >and update your material.
>>
>> So juinior, you continue your juvenile diatribe without addressing the
>> issues. Time and time again - no facts just whine, snivel, obfuscate, and
>> anything but discuss the issues. Liars just have to support liars within
>> the house of lies, I guess.
>
>Okay, smaller words this time.
>
>I'm not refuting you with facts because you presented no facts of your own to
>refute.
>
>You posted a rabid, slobbering OPINION (hit-piece really) that ridiculed
>Rachel Corrie's death, and frankly, the article doesn't deserve much more than
>ridicule itself. Again, you're welcome, and you set yourself up for it.
>
>That you keep stomping your little feets and whinging about "facts" and "issues"
>is righteously hilarious, but I don't expect you to understand why any more than
>I believe you actually read all of the article you posted, so I'll stop now.
>
>Jim

You must think stupidity is a virtue - you practice it daily.

As one of my Brothers stated - Corrie was a stone cold waste of white.
As I can see by your post stupidity nor blatant ignorance is not bounded by
race or sex is it?

Losing your life by standing in front of a several ton armoured bulldozer
(w/bulletproof enclosed cab - limited visbililty) just so that it won't
plow over a house is one of the pinnacles of stupidity. She gave up her
life for a house... I don't know who was stupider, the "genius" that
thought up that stunt, or the idiots he/she convinced to perform that
stunt.
Corrie was a member of an organization that supports terrorism. When the
Israelis went looking for the terrorist leaders this March, they didn't
have to go any farther than raid the ISM offices.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...n-seized_x.htm

Lets see - I'm colleged educated, smart, got everything in the world going
for me. Now let's do something really stupid like go to a war zone, poke
at some really nervous Israeli troops (who really don't want to be there in
the first place except the Palis won't stop trying butcher the soldier's
wives and children), step in front of a multi ton bulldozer with severely
restricted vision and no ability for the driver to hear anything. Boy I
will really go far... Maybe I can be a teacher???

Well, well I guess she was a teacher. Rachel Corrie supported the cause of
terrorists. Did you see her picture where she is was with those cute
little Palestinian children teaching them how to make a US flag? Did you
see her teach those cute little children how to burn that flag? Did you
see that photo showing that blind look of hate on her face as she was
setting that paper flag on fire? Children naturally don't know how to hate
unless someone teaches them. Corrie was busy teaching those children how
to hate other humans beings and the US.

http://www.honestreporting.com/graph...les/corrie.jpg

Time to get over it junior! Putting yourself in front of a bulldozer is
a truly idiotic act. Darwin has been proven right again, and America
continues to move on on. Rachel is old news. What a waste of a college
education.

Bill

Election 2004
"Laugh about it, Shout about it,
when it's time to choose. Any way
you look at it you lose."
Mrs. Robinson-Simon & Garfunkel

Susan Cohen

"Ben Sharvy" <bsharvy@mac.com> wrote in message
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> "Dan Mercer" <dmercer@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>http://www.honestreporting.com/artic...rie3_Continued.
asp
>
> You should mention that honestreporting.com is an avowedly pro-Israel
> organization.

Oh, yeah - truth is always pro-Israel. Thanks for noticing.

Susan.

Bill

On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 21:30:22 -0700, "Clave"
<ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:

>"Bill" <justbillme@justice.com> wrote in message
>news:9nqhgvcit39fjrj6igcfl8i5v25dg2efj1@4ax.com.. .
>
><...>
>
>> You must think stupidity is a virtue - you practice it daily.
>>
>> As one of my Brothers stated - Corrie was a stone cold waste of white...
>
>
>Just like your brethren. Poke em a little and their true "colors" appear.
>
>I've enjoyed our little exchange (I really have!) -- all I wanted to do was
>embarrass you about posting that ridiculous Prager article. I didn't think
>you'd completely outshine me by so shamelessly revealing yourself to be just
>another swallow-and-follow racist neo-con dumbass! Well done!
>
>Thanks, and I really mean that. Please resume your valuable contributions to
>the original thread, and don't pay any attention to the snickering. They're
>just jealous of what a masterful whoopin' you've given me.
>
>Last word's yours, of course.
>
>Ta,
>Jim
>
>

Of course there wasn't anything ridiculous in the article, but you haven't
the intelligence to see that. You let your blind prejudice and racism
cloud what thought processes have survived the various drugs and alcohol
you have been struggling with these past couple of years. You just love
demonstrating to the crowd what the total fool you are. Carry on fool...

Bill




"Every absurdity has a champion to defend it."
Anonymous

grandwazoo

Susan Cohen wrote:
> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> news:vghlfjkaktve15@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>"Bill" <justbillme@justice.com> wrote in message
>>news:18khgv8qrhqkgeopdd8vvsdvpieq52tgd0@4ax.com. ..
>>
>>>On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 23:26:14 GMT, "torresD" <torresD30@hotmail.com>
>>
> wrote:
>
>>>>http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml
>>>>
>>>
>>>Not justice, but a LIE. Lies to protect their own terrorist asses.
>>>
>>> Who killed Rachel Corrie?
>>>
>>>Rachel Corrie, the Olympia, Wash., college student killed...
>>
>>
>><...blah, blah, blah...>
>>
>>
>>Nice objective piece there, Bill.
>
>
> I thought so. It didn't want to canonize her, nor did it come right out &
> call her a terrorist supporter, which she was.

So there is a motive.


<snip>


--

Dan Mercer

"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message news:vghlfjkaktve15@corp.supernews.com...
: "Bill" <justbillme@justice.com> wrote in message
: news:18khgv8qrhqkgeopdd8vvsdvpieq52tgd0@4ax.com...
: > On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 23:26:14 GMT, "torresD" <torresD30@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >
: > >http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml
: > >
: > Not justice, but a LIE. Lies to protect their own terrorist asses.
: >
: > Who killed Rachel Corrie?
: >
: > Rachel Corrie, the Olympia, Wash., college student killed...
:
:
: <...blah, blah, blah...>
:
:
: Nice objective piece there, Bill.
:
: Is there some reason you neglected to mention that the article you quoted was
: written by the notorious hate-radio gasbag Dennis Prager for TowhHall.com? Or

"hate-radio": the Big Lie technique employed again. Joseph Goebbels would be proud.
What makes it "hate-radio" - that they espouse hate? No. It's "hate radio" because
leftists hate its message. It is "hate radio" because the left hates the right - and the center too,
if truth be told, and can't imagine the opposite is not also true. It is "hate radio" because it
holds the mirror of Truth up to the left, and the left hates what it sees there. It is "hate radio"
because it is the only voice raised in opposition, and the left hates that most of all.

Enjoy your politically correct anti-Semitism, you poor blind deluded soul. Live in that
fantasy world you've constructed, where the nation you live in, the nation that no
doubt supports you in some way, is evil. And the baby killing apparatus of the PLO
and the tyrannies that support it are good.

Dan Mercer
dmercer@mn.rr.com

: that TownHall.com is a mouthpiece for Richard Scaife's Heritage Foundation?
:
: Probably just an oversight on your part, right?
:
: Jim
:
:

Jim Riley

What does this have to do with Alabama?

On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 18:49:12 -0700, Bill <justbillme@justice.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 23:26:14 GMT, "torresD" <torresD30@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml
>>
>Not justice, but a LIE. Lies to protect their own terrorist asses.
>
> Who killed Rachel Corrie?
>
>Rachel Corrie, the Olympia, Wash., college student killed trying to protect
>a Palestinian house -- a house, remember, not even a human being -- against
>an Israeli bulldozer, will probably not merit a footnote in history books.
>That's too bad, because her life and death, the way she has been portrayed
>in some media, and the reactions of her college are powerful examples of an
>America with many morally confused individuals.
>
>A Seattle Times columnist described her as a martyr. Her hometown paper,
>The Olympian, published numerous pictures of a sweet-looking woman from
>childhood on. It omitted the one photo of Rachel Corrie that USA Today, to
>its credit, published -- Corrie screaming anti-American invective while
>burning an American flag in Gaza.
>
>Anyone with a heart must extend the deepest condolences to Rachel Corrie's
>parents. But anyone with a conscience must regard Rachel Corrie's
>activities with contempt. One hopes that it is not asking too much of
>people to entertain simultaneously two conflicting emotions -- grief for
>the parents and contempt for the daughter.
>
>Rachel Corrie chose to side with a society that breeds some of the cruelest
>murderers of innocent people in the world. Rachel Corrie gave her life
>trying to protect people whose declared aim is to annihilate another
>country. In the name of saving children's lives, Rachel Corrie chose to
>defend a society that teaches its young children to blow themselves up and
>which deliberately targets children for death. And Rachel Corrie went to
>America's enemies to burn her country's flag.
>
>She was one of the many fools our colleges annually produce. Evergreen
>State College is reputed to excel in such production. Is anyone aware of a
>single student or faculty member who repudiated her activities?
>
>We are told repeatedly that Rachel was idealistic -- as if that matters.
>Virtually every person who commits great evil -- the Nazi, the Communist,
>the Islamic terrorist -- is idealistic. Idealism is morally neutral. It is
>good only when directed to good ends. But in young people, idealism is at
>least as likely to lead to bad as to good because few young people are wise
>-- and idealism without wisdom is very dangerous.
>
>We are told ad nauseam that Rachel Corrie was a "peace activist." So let it
>be said once and for all that most of these people are moral frauds. Why?
>Because "peace activists" routinely protest only against peaceful
>countries. Has there been one Evergreen State or other "peace activist" in
>Sudan during its Islamic government's slaughter and enslavement of millions
>of blacks? Are there any "peace activists" in Tibet to protect its unique
>culture from being eradicated by the Communist Chinese? Did you notice any
>"peace activists" trying to save the millions of North Koreans dying at the
>hands of their lunatic government? Of course not. Rachel Corrie and other
>"peace activists" only target peace-loving Israel and America.
>
>Why do they do so?
>
>Here is one answer.
>
>The world is filled with evil, and young idealists like Rachel Corrie don't
>like it. Which is lovely. But they don't confront real evil because they
>know they will get hurt. That's one reason there are no "peace activists"
>or "human shields" confronting Islamic terror, North Korean
>totalitarianism, or Chinese Communist despotism.
>
>So, what's an idealist to do if she refuses to confront real evil but wants
>to feel good about herself? Ironically, confront those who fight real evil.
>That's why Rachel Corrie and the millions marching to protect Saddam
>Hussein's Iraq have never uttered a peep against Palestinian terror, Iraqi
>totalitarianism, or North Korean gulags. Instead, they focus their
>animosity at the countries that confront these evils -- the United States
>and Israel.
>
>So, Olympia, grieve for Rachel Corrie's parents, but spare us the
>hagiography. Rachel Corrie died fighting for the International Solidarity
>Movement, a Palestinian group dedicated, in its own words, to "armed
>struggle" against Israel. She ended up being a useful idiot for, and one
>more victim of, Palestinian terror.
>
>
>
>
>
>"There will never be a nuclear war; there's too much
> real estate involved."
> -- Frank Zappa on the Tonight Show, C.A. 1988

--
Jim Riley

Ben Sharvy

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> >
> >
> >http://www.honestreporting.com/artic...rie3_Continued.
> asp
> >
> > You should mention that honestreporting.com is an avowedly pro-Israel
> > organization.
>
> Oh, yeah - truth is always pro-Israel.

No, but honestreporting.com is.