Yeah.....Va. Tech Police Chief Wendell Finchem. WOEFULLY out of his league in his JOB!

Va. Tech Police Chief Wendell Finchem woefully out of his league in
his job!

Yes, that law puppy doesn't even have a college degree. He has just
been a hanger-on at Va. Tech FOREVAH as a piggie. He started as part-
time when he was a student, and then quit school and he was welcomed
with open arms!

And he STILL hasn't gotten a degree! But he intends to get one - as
he has been telling them ad nauseum for lo these many years.

As for the argument by some in law enforcement that he would not have
"seen it coming" there was an incident some years ago on campus where
there was a murderer who was suspected to be on campus. Luckily for
the students there, that did not prove to be correct. But Chief
Finchem should have rolled up his sleeves THEN to come up with a
"rainy day" plan. Unfortunately for those 32 victims, he did not, and
that is why things are as they are today.

I would be willing to be my dollar to your dime that some of the
piggies even went out for donuts between the 2 slayings.

Yeah, it turns out that Va. Tech law enforcement sat on it for 2 hours
before sending out 30,000 emails to the students. Since there are
25,000 students on campus, one would suppose the other 5,000 went to
teachers, administrators and the off-campus students. Or would HOPE
so!

Why didn't the cops get out on the sidewalks around the campus with
their cars and bark out (like the dogs they are) that there was a
danger on the campus, that some people had been shot.
Nooooo.....instead, the Va. Tech law puppies sent out a cryptic email
2 hours after the fact, telling students to be on their wary for
"suspicious activity".

Yeah.....Va. Tech Police Chief Wendell Finchem. WOEFULLY out of his
league in his JOB!

On Apr 21, 4:31 pm, i_tell_it_like_it_i...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Why didn't the cops get out on the sidewalks around the campus with
> their cars and bark out (like the dogs they are) that there was a
> danger on the campus, that some people had been shot.
> Nooooo.....instead, the Va. Tech law puppies sent out a cryptic email
> 2 hours after the fact, telling students to be on their wary for
> "suspicious activity".

Of course the campus police were out of their league - but it's not
as much their own fault as you make it out to be. Campus police
departments are kept on VERY short leashes by college administrators -
as they don't want arrests for the considerable illegality on any
campus ending up in the local paper or pushing up the campus-crime-
level stats the college must report to Washington that end up public.
So the campus police department - in reality - is relegated to writing
tickets, while the administration dumps on dorm resident assistants
the difficult chore of keeping order in the dorms without anyone
getting arrested.

No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com

> I find this whole conversation odd, since I know that the college where I
> went regularly reported incidents to local law enforcement officials, as
> was required by state law (I assume that that law is still in effect
here),
> which where almost always picked up by local news media.

About the only "crime" statistic you can count on is the MURDER rate.
It's pretty easy to "notch down" crimes to the point where they miss the
reporting radar. Even where there are dead bodies, "they" can often evade
responsibility. Remember, in that first incident the campus cops called
it a "domestic." They didn't know who the shooter was but they "knew"
that we wasn't a threat to the rest of the community!

On Apr 22, 3:37 am, "John Gilmer" <gil...@nni.com> wrote:
> > I find this whole conversation odd, since I know that the college where I
> > went regularly reported incidents to local law enforcement officials, as
> > was required by state law (I assume that that law is still in effect
> here),
> > which where almost always picked up by local news media.
>
> About the only "crime" statistic you can count on is the MURDER rate.
> It's pretty easy to "notch down" crimes to the point where they miss the
> reporting radar. Even where there are dead bodies, "they" can often evade
> responsibility. Remember, in that first incident the campus cops called
> it a "domestic." They didn't know who the shooter was but they "knew"
> that we wasn't a threat to the rest of the community!

yeah, and they went out for donuts between the 2 shootings......how
sweet!

On May 12, 12:29 am, i_tell_it_like_it_i...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Apr 22, 3:37 am, "John Gilmer" <gil...@nni.com> wrote:
>
> > > I find this whole conversation odd, since I know that the college where I
> > > went regularly reported incidents to local law enforcement officials, as
> > > was required by state law (I assume that that law is still in effect
> > here),
> > > which where almost always picked up by local news media.
>
> > About the only "crime" statistic you can count on is the MURDER rate.
> > It's pretty easy to "notch down" crimes to the point where they miss the
> > reporting radar. Even where there are dead bodies, "they" can often evade
> > responsibility. Remember, in that first incident the campus cops called
> > it a "domestic." They didn't know who the shooter was but they "knew"
> > that we wasn't a threat to the rest of the community!
>
> yeah, and they went out for donuts between the 2 shootings......how
> sweet!

can anyone give me the Chief's e mail address

cy.thompson@saintjohn.ca wrote:
>
> i_tell_it_like_it_i...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > "John Gilmer" <gil...@nni.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > I find this whole conversation odd, since I know that the college where I
> > > > went regularly reported incidents to local law enforcement officials, as
> > > > was required by state law (I assume that that law is still in effect here),
> > > > which where almost always picked up by local news media.
> >
> > > About the only "crime" statistic you can count on is the MURDER rate.
> > > It's pretty easy to "notch down" crimes to the point where they miss the
> > > reporting radar. Even where there are dead bodies, "they" can often evade
> > > responsibility. Remember, in that first incident the campus cops called
> > > it a "domestic." They didn't know who the shooter was but they "knew"
> > > that we wasn't a threat to the rest of the community!
> >
> > yeah, and they went out for donuts between the 2 shootings......how
> > sweet!
>
> can anyone give me the Chief's e mail address

So how did Cho manage to chain and padlock all -three- main doors at
Norris Hall, without anybody seeing him and reporting this rather odd
action to the authorities? I could imagine him getting one door while
nobody was looking, but it is hard to imagine him getting three doors in
short order on different sections of the building.

"Scott M. Kozel" <kozelsm@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:464E2337.4152A089@comcast.net...
> cy.thompson@saintjohn.ca wrote:

>
> So how did Cho manage to chain and padlock all -three- main doors at
> Norris Hall, without anybody seeing him and reporting this rather odd
> action to the authorities? I could imagine him getting one door while
> nobody was looking, but it is hard to imagine him getting three doors in
> short order on different sections of the building.

Between classes, such would be very quickly noticed as large groups of
students are moving hither and yon.
But DURING classes there would usually be VERY LITTLE traffic that people
would make a fuss.

"SaPeIsMa" <SaPeIsMa@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> "Scott M. Kozel" <kozelsm@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > So how did Cho manage to chain and padlock all -three- main doors at
> > Norris Hall, without anybody seeing him and reporting this rather odd
> > action to the authorities? I could imagine him getting one door while
> > nobody was looking, but it is hard to imagine him getting three doors in
> > short order on different sections of the building.
>
> Between classes, such would be very quickly noticed as large groups of
> students are moving hither and yon.
> But DURING classes there would usually be VERY LITTLE traffic that people
> would make a fuss.

Are you familiar enough with those particular doors, that you could
comment on how they could be chained shut? Were there heavy door
handles on each door that could be chained together thereby preventing
the adjacent doors from opening? Were there handles on the -inside- of
the doors where presumably he could have a higher chance of doing the
chaining without being seen by other people?

He obviously cased his "job" out very thoroughly beforehand. The police
only took a couple minutes to get there, and it was the chained doors
that allowed him to rack up the very high body count (which obviously
was his intent).

"Scott M. Kozel" <kozelsm@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:464FA0E6.8BD65DB7@comcast.net...
> "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeIsMa@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> "Scott M. Kozel" <kozelsm@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> > So how did Cho manage to chain and padlock all -three- main doors at
>> > Norris Hall, without anybody seeing him and reporting this rather odd
>> > action to the authorities? I could imagine him getting one door while
>> > nobody was looking, but it is hard to imagine him getting three doors
>> > in
>> > short order on different sections of the building.
>>
>> Between classes, such would be very quickly noticed as large groups of
>> students are moving hither and yon.
>> But DURING classes there would usually be VERY LITTLE traffic that people
>> would make a fuss.
>
> Are you familiar enough with those particular doors, that you could
> comment on how they could be chained shut? Were there heavy door
> handles on each door that could be chained together thereby preventing
> the adjacent doors from opening? Were there handles on the -inside- of
> the doors where presumably he could have a higher chance of doing the
> chaining without being seen by other people?
>
> He obviously cased his "job" out very thoroughly beforehand. The police
> only took a couple minutes to get there, and it was the chained doors
> that allowed him to rack up the very high body count (which obviously
> was his intent).

You don't have to be "familiar with those doors" to know what it would
entail.
1) Codes for exit doors are pretty standard across the country for high
traffic doors
There are ONLY A FEW designs for such doors that are legal.
2) Within such designs a 6' chain and a padlock would easily lock 2 doors
together.
All you need to decide is how many chains you need.

> You don't have to be "familiar with those doors" to know what it would
> entail.
> 1) Codes for exit doors are pretty standard across the country for high
> traffic doors
> There are ONLY A FEW designs for such doors that are legal.
> 2) Within such designs a 6' chain and a padlock would easily lock 2
doors
> together.
> All you need to decide is how many chains you need.

Really?

Codes usually require "Panic Bars" which unlock the doors. The chains
would either link the "panic bars" (old design) or link some kind of handle
use to pull the doors closed.

I have never performed the "experiment" but a determined effort by a full
sized male adult (200# or more) should force something to "let go." The
doors should open out.
>
>
>
>

"John Gilmer" <gilmer@nni.com> wrote in message
news:Sd2dnWFgoormkM_bnZ2dnUVZ_u7inZ2d@nni.com...
>
>
>> You don't have to be "familiar with those doors" to know what it would
>> entail.
>> 1) Codes for exit doors are pretty standard across the country for
>> high
>> traffic doors
>> There are ONLY A FEW designs for such doors that are legal.
>> 2) Within such designs a 6' chain and a padlock would easily lock 2
> doors
>> together.
>> All you need to decide is how many chains you need.
>
> Really?
>
> Codes usually require "Panic Bars" which unlock the doors. The chains
> would either link the "panic bars" (old design) or link some kind of
> handle
> use to pull the doors closed.
>
> I have never performed the "experiment" but a determined effort by a full
> sized male adult (200# or more) should force something to "let go." The
> doors should open out.

Do the experiment and come back to us on that
But before you do, read up on what the police had to do to get through the
chained doors
That could avoid you some embarrassment

SaPeIsMa wrote:
> "John Gilmer" <gilmer@nni.com> wrote in message
> > I have never performed the "experiment" but a determined effort by a full
> > sized male adult (200# or more) should force something to "let go." The
> > doors should open out.

> Do the experiment and come back to us on that
> But before you do, read up on what the police had to do to get through the
> chained doors
> That could avoid you some embarrassment

I'm afraid SaPelsMa is right on this one. I recall the famous
demonstrations at Ohio State in the 60s. The demonstrators simply
wired the doors shut with coat hangers and it kept everyone out. The
key in the VT case would be if the doors had windows or not. If they
did, you simply smash them and use one of those rotary metal saws that
police have to get accident victims out to cut the substantial but
still aluminum door bar. Chain and lock just fall off.

But the REAL sign of incompetence is taking all that time to go in
through the DOOR! DUH! I used to live in apartment and it had this
heavy door with all these locks on it. Problem was that the wall right
NEXT to the door was two layers of drywall on two by fours! Screw the
door, you could bust-in in seconds. Same goes for the university
buildings. They were COVERED with windows and other openings. It'd
take a real Homer to figure that the door is chained so you MUST cut
through the door to get in! Personally I doubt any of them WANTED to
get in. I suspect like so many cops, their main concern was going home
at the end of the shift rather than stopping 30-odd murders. I presume
they save their manly "hero" act for when they hand out parking
tickets to irate students. A "real" dangerous emergency is quite
another animal. Many schools are like this. It was just this kind of
thing from the Ohio State "riots" mentioned above that caused the
school to totally re-vamp their campus police department with REAL
training for campus officers and MUCH more coordination with City
police. Too bad it usually takes some kind of tragedy to light a fire
under college administrator asses.

> Do the experiment and come back to us on that
> But before you do, read up on what the police had to do to get through the
> chained doors
> That could avoid you some embarrassment

Why should I have any "embarrassment?"

It's a "no-brainer" that doors in a building that often contains many people
should open out.

Questions are:

1) Did the doors in that building open out?

2) The local and campus police had already shown themselves to be of the
"Keystone" variety. They had already dismissed a DOUBLE homicide as a
"domestic" and didn't make any determined effort to either hunt down the bad
buy or alert the community.

3) Since you raise the point: WTF did those local cops/clowns have to do
to enter the building?

>
>

"John Gilmer" <gilmer@nni.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>> Do the experiment and come back to us on that
>> But before you do, read up on what the police had to do to get through
>> the
>> chained doors
>> That could avoid you some embarrassment
>
>
> Why should I have any "embarrassment?"
>
> It's a "no-brainer" that doors in a building that often contains many
> people
> should open out.
>
> Questions are:
>
> 1) Did the doors in that building open out?
>

If it's a a "no-brainer" why are you asking ?
Could it be a lack of brains ?

> 2) The local and campus police had already shown themselves to be of the
> "Keystone" variety. They had already dismissed a DOUBLE homicide as a
> "domestic" and didn't make any determined effort to either hunt down the
> bad
> buy or alert the community.
>

They did not "dismiss" anything
They PRESUMED
Big difference
Look up the meaning of the words at www.m-w.com, if you need help

> 3) Since you raise the point: WTF did those local cops/clowns have to
> do
> to enter the building?
>

Thank you for proving you were blowing chunks
Now do like the big boys and go do your OWN research before you come
back to spout more ignorant cant

> If it's a a "no-brainer" why are you asking ?
> Could it be a lack of brains ?

My, my.

I know how a semi-public building doors should operate. I see these outward
opening doors with "panic bars" in schools and churches.

The question is specific to what was done at VT. Did they screw up?

I suspect the screw ups are manifest and numerious and that's why folks like
you have gotten on the defensive.
>
>
> > 2) The local and campus police had already shown themselves to be of
the
> > "Keystone" variety. They had already dismissed a DOUBLE homicide as a
> > "domestic" and didn't make any determined effort to either hunt down the
> > bad
> > bug or alert the community.
> >
>
> They did not "dismiss" anything
> They PRESUMED
> Big difference

LIttle or no differerence in practice. They acted like the problem was no
longer of concern to the compus but was an outside and "real world" problem.
Of course, the local "real" cops also "assumed" the problem away and tried
to minimize the first two killings.

I suspect that the VT administration (and the VA governor) will end up with
a "circle the wagons" approach and say the campus security problem is
"fixed" because of some small modification of the gun laws.

"John Gilmer" <gilmer@nni.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>> If it's a a "no-brainer" why are you asking ?
>> Could it be a lack of brains ?
>
> My, my.
>
> I know how a semi-public building doors should operate. I see these
> outward
> opening doors with "panic bars" in schools and churches.
>

Are you trying to imply that panic bars can NOT be chained together ?
Don't be stupid

> The question is specific to what was done at VT. Did they screw up?
>

Speculation WITHOUT facts is just hot air and a waste of time
Get yourself informed
That way, you'll avoid producing so much hot air

> I suspect the screw ups are manifest and numerious and that's why folks
> like
> you have gotten on the defensive.

"defensive" ?
LOL
Don't let your fantasies rule you

As I said
Get informed

>>
>>
>> > 2) The local and campus police had already shown themselves to be of
> the
>> > "Keystone" variety. They had already dismissed a DOUBLE homicide as a
>> > "domestic" and didn't make any determined effort to either hunt down
>> > the
>> > bad
>> > bug or alert the community.
>> >
>>
>> They did not "dismiss" anything
>> They PRESUMED
>> Big difference
>
> LIttle or no differerence in practice. They acted like the problem was
> no
> longer of concern to the compus but was an outside and "real world"
> problem.
> Of course, the local "real" cops also "assumed" the problem away and tried
> to minimize the first two killings.
>
> I suspect that the VT administration (and the VA governor) will end up
> with
> a "circle the wagons" approach and say the campus security problem is
> "fixed" because of some small modification of the gun laws.
>
>

You "suspect" a lot of things which appear to be total fantasy
I leave you to it

"SaPeIsMa" <SaPeIsMa@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "John Gilmer" <gilmer@nni.com> wrote in message
> news:gdmdnWpVvOEndMXbnZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d@nni.com...
>>
>>> If it's a a "no-brainer" why are you asking ?
>>> Could it be a lack of brains ?
>>
>> My, my.
>>
>> I know how a semi-public building doors should operate.
>> I see these outward
>> opening doors with "panic bars" in schools and churches.
>
> Are you trying to imply that panic bars can NOT be chained
> together ?
> Don't be stupid

Unless you know for a fact what kind of "crash" or "panic"
bars were in place, you might take your own advice.

Old-style panic bars are round steel bars that project from
the suface of the door. They can be chained.

A more modern panic bar design has flat lengths of metal
that project an inch or two from a U-shaped enclosure that
does not leave any gap around the "bar". Push in on the
projecting surface and the door opens, but they cannot be
chained. They may in fact have been designed that way
expressly to prevent them from being chained together.

"John Mazor" <mazorj@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:RH77i.1225$WZ6.138@trnddc03...
>
> "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeIsMa@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:135odvibu50irce@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "John Gilmer" <gilmer@nni.com> wrote in message
>> news:gdmdnWpVvOEndMXbnZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d@nni.com...
>>>
>>>> If it's a a "no-brainer" why are you asking ?
>>>> Could it be a lack of brains ?
>>>
>>> My, my.
>>>
>>> I know how a semi-public building doors should operate. I see these
>>> outward
>>> opening doors with "panic bars" in schools and churches.
>>
>> Are you trying to imply that panic bars can NOT be chained together ?
>> Don't be stupid
>
> Unless you know for a fact what kind of "crash" or "panic" bars were in
> place, you might take your own advice.
>
> Old-style panic bars are round steel bars that project from the suface of
> the door. They can be chained.
>
> A more modern panic bar design has flat lengths of metal that project an
> inch or two from a U-shaped enclosure that does not leave any gap around
> the "bar". Push in on the projecting surface and the door opens, but they
> cannot be chained. They may in fact have been designed that way expressly
> to prevent them from being chained together.
>
>

Let's make the simple for the drooling idiot

1) YOU are the one who started babbling about "panic bars"
2) You do NOT even know if the doors did or did not have "panic bars"
3) You do NOT even know if the doors had old or new style panic bars

So basically you are PISSING IN THE WIND

I'll leave YOU to your (messy) and useless habit

"SaPeIsMa" <SaPeIsMa@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "John Mazor" <mazorj@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:RH77i.1225$WZ6.138@trnddc03...
>>
>> "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeIsMa@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:135odvibu50irce@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>> "John Gilmer" <gilmer@nni.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gdmdnWpVvOEndMXbnZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d@nni.com...
>>>>
>>>>> If it's a a "no-brainer" why are you asking ?
>>>>> Could it be a lack of brains ?
>>>>
>>>> My, my.
>>>>
>>>> I know how a semi-public building doors should operate.
>>>> I see these outward
>>>> opening doors with "panic bars" in schools and
>>>> churches.
>>>
>>> Are you trying to imply that panic bars can NOT be
>>> chained together ?
>>> Don't be stupid
>>
>> Unless you know for a fact what kind of "crash" or
>> "panic" bars were in place, you might take your own
>> advice.
>>
>> Old-style panic bars are round steel bars that project
>> from the suface of the door. They can be chained.
>>
>> A more modern panic bar design has flat lengths of metal
>> that project an inch or two from a U-shaped enclosure
>> that does not leave any gap around the "bar". Push in on
>> the projecting surface and the door opens, but they
>> cannot be chained. They may in fact have been designed
>> that way expressly to prevent them from being chained
>> together.
>
> Let's make the simple for the drooling idiot
>
> 1) YOU are the one who started babbling about "panic
> bars"

No, you did, in response to Gilmer's reasonable observation.

> 2) You do NOT even know if the doors did or did not
> have "panic bars"

Do you? Not that it matters for purposes of my correcting
your error.

> 3) You do NOT even know if the doors had old or new
> style panic bars

Do you? Not that it matters for purposes of my correcting
your error.

> So basically you are PISSING IN THE WIND

So basically you are dodging my correction of your erroneous
characterization of panic bars.

> I'll leave YOU to your (messy) and useless habit

Yes, whacking trolls upside the head is occasionally messy
and always useless, but when I'm in the mood, it can be
entertaining.

	#1
i_tell_it_like_it_is_8@yahoo.com	Yeah.....Va. Tech Police Chief Wendell Finchem. WOEFULLY out of his league in his JOB! Va. Tech Police Chief Wendell Finchem woefully out of his league in his job! Yes, that law puppy doesn't even have a college degree. He has just been a hanger-on at Va. Tech FOREVAH as a piggie. He started as part- time when he was a student, and then quit school and he was welcomed with open arms! And he STILL hasn't gotten a degree! But he intends to get one - as he has been telling them ad nauseum for lo these many years. As for the argument by some in law enforcement that he would not have "seen it coming" there was an incident some years ago on campus where there was a murderer who was suspected to be on campus. Luckily for the students there, that did not prove to be correct. But Chief Finchem should have rolled up his sleeves THEN to come up with a "rainy day" plan. Unfortunately for those 32 victims, he did not, and that is why things are as they are today. I would be willing to be my dollar to your dime that some of the piggies even went out for donuts between the 2 slayings. Yeah, it turns out that Va. Tech law enforcement sat on it for 2 hours before sending out 30,000 emails to the students. Since there are 25,000 students on campus, one would suppose the other 5,000 went to teachers, administrators and the off-campus students. Or would HOPE so! Why didn't the cops get out on the sidewalks around the campus with their cars and bark out (like the dogs they are) that there was a danger on the campus, that some people had been shot. Nooooo.....instead, the Va. Tech law puppies sent out a cryptic email 2 hours after the fact, telling students to be on their wary for "suspicious activity". Yeah.....Va. Tech Police Chief Wendell Finchem. WOEFULLY out of his league in his JOB!

	#2
editor@netpath.net	Re: Yeah.....Va. Tech Police Chief Wendell Finchem. WOEFULLY out of his league in his JOB! On Apr 21, 4:31 pm, i_tell_it_like_it_i...@yahoo.com wrote: > Why didn't the cops get out on the sidewalks around the campus with > their cars and bark out (like the dogs they are) that there was a > danger on the campus, that some people had been shot. > Nooooo.....instead, the Va. Tech law puppies sent out a cryptic email > 2 hours after the fact, telling students to be on their wary for > "suspicious activity". Of course the campus police were out of their league - but it's not as much their own fault as you make it out to be. Campus police departments are kept on VERY short leashes by college administrators - as they don't want arrests for the considerable illegality on any campus ending up in the local paper or pushing up the campus-crime- level stats the college must report to Washington that end up public. So the campus police department - in reality - is relegated to writing tickets, while the administration dumps on dorm resident assistants the difficult chore of keeping order in the dorms without anyone getting arrested. No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com

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John Gilmer	Re: Yeah.....Va. Tech Police Chief Wendell Finchem. WOEFULLY out of his league in his JOB! > I find this whole conversation odd, since I know that the college where I > went regularly reported incidents to local law enforcement officials, as > was required by state law (I assume that that law is still in effect here), > which where almost always picked up by local news media. About the only "crime" statistic you can count on is the MURDER rate. It's pretty easy to "notch down" crimes to the point where they miss the reporting radar. Even where there are dead bodies, "they" can often evade responsibility. Remember, in that first incident the campus cops called it a "domestic." They didn't know who the shooter was but they "knew" that we wasn't a threat to the rest of the community!

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i_tell_it_like_it_is_7@yahoo.com	Re: Yeah.....Va. Tech Police Chief Wendell Finchem. WOEFULLY out of his league in his JOB! On Apr 22, 3:37 am, "John Gilmer" <gil...@nni.com> wrote: > > I find this whole conversation odd, since I know that the college where I > > went regularly reported incidents to local law enforcement officials, as > > was required by state law (I assume that that law is still in effect > here), > > which where almost always picked up by local news media. > > About the only "crime" statistic you can count on is the MURDER rate. > It's pretty easy to "notch down" crimes to the point where they miss the > reporting radar. Even where there are dead bodies, "they" can often evade > responsibility. Remember, in that first incident the campus cops called > it a "domestic." They didn't know who the shooter was but they "knew" > that we wasn't a threat to the rest of the community! yeah, and they went out for donuts between the 2 shootings......how sweet!

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cy.thompson@saintjohn.ca	Re: Yeah.....Va. Tech Police Chief Wendell Finchem. WOEFULLY out of his league in his JOB! On May 12, 12:29 am, i_tell_it_like_it_i...@yahoo.com wrote: > On Apr 22, 3:37 am, "John Gilmer" <gil...@nni.com> wrote: > > > > I find this whole conversation odd, since I know that the college where I > > > went regularly reported incidents to local law enforcement officials, as > > > was required by state law (I assume that that law is still in effect > > here), > > > which where almost always picked up by local news media. > > > About the only "crime" statistic you can count on is the MURDER rate. > > It's pretty easy to "notch down" crimes to the point where they miss the > > reporting radar. Even where there are dead bodies, "they" can often evade > > responsibility. Remember, in that first incident the campus cops called > > it a "domestic." They didn't know who the shooter was but they "knew" > > that we wasn't a threat to the rest of the community! > > yeah, and they went out for donuts between the 2 shootings......how > sweet! can anyone give me the Chief's e mail address

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Scott M. Kozel	Re: Yeah.....Va. Tech Police Chief Wendell Finchem. WOEFULLY out of hisleague in his JOB! cy.thompson@saintjohn.ca wrote: > > i_tell_it_like_it_i...@yahoo.com wrote: > > "John Gilmer" <gil...@nni.com> wrote: > > > > > > I find this whole conversation odd, since I know that the college where I > > > > went regularly reported incidents to local law enforcement officials, as > > > > was required by state law (I assume that that law is still in effect here), > > > > which where almost always picked up by local news media. > > > > > About the only "crime" statistic you can count on is the MURDER rate. > > > It's pretty easy to "notch down" crimes to the point where they miss the > > > reporting radar. Even where there are dead bodies, "they" can often evade > > > responsibility. Remember, in that first incident the campus cops called > > > it a "domestic." They didn't know who the shooter was but they "knew" > > > that we wasn't a threat to the rest of the community! > > > > yeah, and they went out for donuts between the 2 shootings......how > > sweet! > > can anyone give me the Chief's e mail address So how did Cho manage to chain and padlock all -three- main doors at Norris Hall, without anybody seeing him and reporting this rather odd action to the authorities? I could imagine him getting one door while nobody was looking, but it is hard to imagine him getting three doors in short order on different sections of the building.

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SaPeIsMa	Re: Yeah.....Va. Tech Police Chief Wendell Finchem. WOEFULLY out of his league in his JOB! "Scott M. Kozel" <kozelsm@comcast.net> wrote in message news:464E2337.4152A089@comcast.net... > cy.thompson@saintjohn.ca wrote: > > So how did Cho manage to chain and padlock all -three- main doors at > Norris Hall, without anybody seeing him and reporting this rather odd > action to the authorities? I could imagine him getting one door while > nobody was looking, but it is hard to imagine him getting three doors in > short order on different sections of the building. Between classes, such would be very quickly noticed as large groups of students are moving hither and yon. But DURING classes there would usually be VERY LITTLE traffic that people would make a fuss.

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Benj	Re: Yeah.....Va. Tech Police Chief Wendell Finchem. WOEFULLY out of his league in his JOB! SaPeIsMa wrote: > "John Gilmer" <gilmer@nni.com> wrote in message > > I have never performed the "experiment" but a determined effort by a full > > sized male adult (200# or more) should force something to "let go." The > > doors should open out. > Do the experiment and come back to us on that > But before you do, read up on what the police had to do to get through the > chained doors > That could avoid you some embarrassment I'm afraid SaPelsMa is right on this one. I recall the famous demonstrations at Ohio State in the 60s. The demonstrators simply wired the doors shut with coat hangers and it kept everyone out. The key in the VT case would be if the doors had windows or not. If they did, you simply smash them and use one of those rotary metal saws that police have to get accident victims out to cut the substantial but still aluminum door bar. Chain and lock just fall off. But the REAL sign of incompetence is taking all that time to go in through the DOOR! DUH! I used to live in apartment and it had this heavy door with all these locks on it. Problem was that the wall right NEXT to the door was two layers of drywall on two by fours! Screw the door, you could bust-in in seconds. Same goes for the university buildings. They were COVERED with windows and other openings. It'd take a real Homer to figure that the door is chained so you MUST cut through the door to get in! Personally I doubt any of them WANTED to get in. I suspect like so many cops, their main concern was going home at the end of the shift rather than stopping 30-odd murders. I presume they save their manly "hero" act for when they hand out parking tickets to irate students. A "real" dangerous emergency is quite another animal. Many schools are like this. It was just this kind of thing from the Ohio State "riots" mentioned above that caused the school to totally re-vamp their campus police department with REAL training for campus officers and MUCH more coordination with City police. Too bad it usually takes some kind of tragedy to light a fire under college administrator asses.

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John Mazor	Re: Yeah.....Va. Tech Police Chief Wendell Finchem. WOEFULLY out of his league in his JOB! "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeIsMa@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:135odvibu50irce@corp.supernews.com... > > "John Gilmer" <gilmer@nni.com> wrote in message > news:gdmdnWpVvOEndMXbnZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d@nni.com... >> >>> If it's a a "no-brainer" why are you asking ? >>> Could it be a lack of brains ? >> >> My, my. >> >> I know how a semi-public building doors should operate. >> I see these outward >> opening doors with "panic bars" in schools and churches. > > Are you trying to imply that panic bars can NOT be chained > together ? > Don't be stupid Unless you know for a fact what kind of "crash" or "panic" bars were in place, you might take your own advice. Old-style panic bars are round steel bars that project from the suface of the door. They can be chained. A more modern panic bar design has flat lengths of metal that project an inch or two from a U-shaped enclosure that does not leave any gap around the "bar". Push in on the projecting surface and the door opens, but they cannot be chained. They may in fact have been designed that way expressly to prevent them from being chained together.