v

Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco
and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities
will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea.

Steve Austin <johnmunch@qwest.net> wrote:
> Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco
> and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities
> will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea.

Yes, that's entirely correct. So you can let it rest now.

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Steve Austin wrote:
>
> Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco
> and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities
> will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea.

I think that Manhattan should be declared car free immediately. Also, no
commercial vehicles (other then public transport) except between 1pm and
5ap. Along with this, public transit must be reduced to a price that
everyone can afford to use from any point in the city to any other
point. Bus routes and subway routes must adjust their frequency to that
of the highest hour of the day and remain at that rate 24 hours a day
until such time as it is demonstrated that the current peak hour
frequency is not justified by ridership. No holiday or weekend
schedules. No person waiting at any bus stop anywhere in Manhattan
should ever have to wait more then ten minutes for any bus that services
that stop. All public transportation shall be equipped with metal
detectors and anyone attempting to carry a gun on public transportation
will receive a mandatory one-week sentence to Rikers in the general
population.

Steve Austin wrote:
>
> Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco
> and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities
> will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea.

I heard from multiple media outlets that the average number of cars
per household is now greater then the number of licensed driver per
household.

1.9 vehicles per household.
1.8 licensed drivers per household.

Kind of dries up your wet dream.

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John R Cambron wrote:
>
> Steve Austin wrote:
> >
> > Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco
> > and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities
> > will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea.
>
> I heard from multiple media outlets that the average number of cars
> per household is now greater then the number of licensed driver per
> household.
>
> 1.9 vehicles per household.
> 1.8 licensed drivers per household.
>
> Kind of dries up your wet dream.
>

Here are a couple debunking url's:

http://www.mtc.ca.gov/datamart/forec...8/TableS16.htm
http://www.mtc.ca.gov/datamart/forec...8/TableS10.htm

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8

"KStahl" <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3F515476.DFBE1746@yahoo.com...
> John R Cambron wrote:

>
>
> http://www.mtc.ca.gov/datamart/forec...8/TableS16.htm
> http://www.mtc.ca.gov/datamart/forec...8/TableS10.htm
>
>
http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8
>
>
http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Gee, masses of data not seeming to debunk anything. If you think you have
point, tell us what you think the data means.

"John R Cambron" <*cambronj@chesapeake.net*> wrote in message
news:vl2c2kbsglg477@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
> Steve Austin wrote:
> >
> > Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San
Francisco
> > and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities
> > will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea.
>
> I heard from multiple media outlets that the average number of cars
> per household is now greater then the number of licensed driver per
> household.
>
> 1.9 vehicles per household.
> 1.8 licensed drivers per household.
>
> Kind of dries up your wet dream.

The person doing the posting is a nut case that apparently is let out of his
padded cell every few months to post the same drivel.

BTW, there is one person in my household, me. I have two vehicles. A car
and a motorcycle. My main transportation is the motorcycle with the car
used for Costco, etc. and when the roads are too slick from the first rains.

Steve Austin <johnmunch@qwest.net> wrote:
> Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco
> and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities
> will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea.

You'll sooner see pigs flying on their own power in the next five years
than you will major cities on either continent be car-free.

v

Folks, every now and then this loon posts this announcement
to the Bay Area newsgroup. He/she/it has now apparently learned
how to cross-post. Don't feed the troll.
<_Jym_>

P.S.: But it *is* a good idea.

Jack May wrote:
>
> "KStahl" <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3F515476.DFBE1746@yahoo.com...
> > John R Cambron wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > http://www.mtc.ca.gov/datamart/forec...8/TableS16.htm
> > http://www.mtc.ca.gov/datamart/forec...8/TableS10.htm
> >
> >
> http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8
> >
> >
> http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8
>
> Gee, masses of data not seeming to debunk anything. If you think you have
> point, tell us what you think the data means.

That the idea that vehicle ownership is declining when everything points
in the opposite direction. In other words, there is no support for the
declining vehicle theory. You may like the idea, but no one else seems
to.

Steve Austin wrote:

> Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco
> and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities
> will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea.

Could be. It wouldn't take very many car bombs. Highways would have to stay
open but the exits would be closed. Perhaps a licensing and inspection scheme
could be developed to permit cabs and limos.

stan@temple.edu wrote:

> Steve Austin <johnmunch@qwest.net> wrote:
> > Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco
> > and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities
> > will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea.
>
> You'll sooner see pigs flying on their own power in the next five years
> than you will major cities on either continent be car-free.

I wonder. If a car bomb went off each week in Manhattan, how long to you think
it would take to prohibit private vehicles?

"KStahl" <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3F5214F3.2119816D@yahoo.com...
> Jack May wrote:
> > Gee, masses of data not seeming to debunk anything. If you think you
have
> > point, tell us what you think the data means.
>
> That the idea that vehicle ownership is declining when everything points
> in the opposite direction. In other words, there is no support for the
> declining vehicle theory. You may like the idea, but no one else seems
> to.

I sure did not see that in the data. I saw some place below the national
average and some above it. You linked to local data not national data. You
have not proven your point.

It is extremely doubtful that you are correct and the published data is
incorrect.

Are you the same person as Steve Austin? You seem to be an irrational nut
case like Steve.

In article <bisnqq$lqk$2@cronkite.temple.edu>, stan@temple.edu wrote:
>Steve Austin <johnmunch@qwest.net> wrote:
>> Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco
>> and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities
>> will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea.
>
>You'll sooner see pigs flying on their own power in the next five years
>than you will major cities on either continent be car-free.
They put out methane so just mount a methane powered motor to their ass and
awy they go.

Jack May wrote:
>
> "KStahl" <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3F5214F3.2119816D@yahoo.com...
> > Jack May wrote:
> > > Gee, masses of data not seeming to debunk anything. If you think you
> have
> > > point, tell us what you think the data means.
> >
> > That the idea that vehicle ownership is declining when everything points
> > in the opposite direction. In other words, there is no support for the
> > declining vehicle theory. You may like the idea, but no one else seems
> > to.
>
> I sure did not see that in the data. I saw some place below the national
> average and some above it. You linked to local data not national data. You
> have not proven your point.
>
> It is extremely doubtful that you are correct and the published data is
> incorrect.

Well, if you are going to take the leap into being unreasonable and
close your mind to facts, then I can't help you.

"GMAN" <glenzabr@xmission.com> wrote in message
news:bitc49$1d2$5@terabinaries.xmission.com...
> >You'll sooner see pigs flying on their own power in the next five years
> >than you will major cities on either continent be car-free.
> They put out methane so just mount a methane powered motor to their ass
and
> awy they go.

At one time I theorized that was how Superman flew. Maybe he was really
Super fart man.

Jack May wrote:
>
> "KStahl" <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3F521556.4B366592@yahoo.com...
> > Jack May wrote:
> \> What a wuss. You can't carry a month's worth of grocery's on the back of
> > your motorcycle?
>
> I can't even carry two weeks of food for my two cats on the back of a
> motorcycle. A motorcycle is a great transportation solution for the 0.2%
> of SF Bay Area travel where people like me use it.
>
> It is obviously not a solution for the masses or a solution for all my
> transportation needs or those of other motorcycle riders.
>
> My typical yearly break down in travel is about 25K miles airline, 20K miles
> motorcycle, 1K miles car, .01K miles taxi, 0K miles bus, 0K miles rail.

My brother, a GoldWinger would argue that there is no situation at any
time where a motorcycle is not appropriate. He only has a truck
reluctantly because he hasn't found a way to put enough bricks and
lumber in the saddlebags to make a trip worthwhile. If my brother had
his way, motorcycles would be used for long-haul trailers.

I wish I could get down to 25K airlines. I am well under 10k per year in
a car and it is my primary vehicle. Goodness knows how many miles I put
on my legs each year. All I know is that they complain sometimes.

In article <aU94b.56$sy4.38337@news.uswest.net>, johnmunch@qwest.net
says...
> Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco
> and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities
> will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea.
>
>
>

He's baaack....

===
Steve

<stan@temple.edu> wrote in message news:bisnqq$lqk$2@cronkite.temple.edu...
> Steve Austin <johnmunch@qwest.net> wrote:
> > Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San
Francisco
> > and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities
> > will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea.
>
> You'll sooner see pigs flying on their own power in the next five years
> than you will major cities on either continent be car-free.
>
Agreed! You won't see any major cities in any country car-free in the next
50 years! Making cities car-free is not an act of progress, rather it's
retrogression apologies to the lunatic fringe. KM
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"Jym Dyer" <jym@econet.org> wrote in message
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> =v= Folks, every now and then this loon posts this announcement
> to the Bay Area newsgroup. He/she/it has now apparently learned
> how to cross-post. Don't feed the troll.
> <_Jym_>
>
> P.S.: But it *is* a good idea.
>
No, it isn't a good idea, its ludicrous! And it won't happen - the energy
industry won't let it happen, the automobile industry won't let it happen and
people won't tolerate it. KM
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"Jack May" <jack.may@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "KStahl" <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3F5214F3.2119816D@yahoo.com...
> > Jack May wrote:
> > > Gee, masses of data not seeming to debunk anything. If you think you
> have
> > > point, tell us what you think the data means.
> >
> > That the idea that vehicle ownership is declining when everything points
> > in the opposite direction. In other words, there is no support for the
> > declining vehicle theory. You may like the idea, but no one else seems
> > to.
>
> I sure did not see that in the data. I saw some place below the national
> average and some above it. You linked to local data not national data.
You
> have not proven your point.
>

"I can prove anything by statistics except the truth."
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"Richard Schumacher" <no-spam@thank-you.com> wrote in message
news:3F522860.25809775@thank-you.com...
> Steve Austin wrote:
>
> > Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San
Francisco
> > and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities
> > will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea.
>
> Could be. It wouldn't take very many car bombs. Highways would have to
stay
> open but the exits would be closed. Perhaps a licensing and inspection
scheme
> could be developed to permit cabs and limos.
>

It's more likely we'll see a licensing scheme to permit cows to fly. KM
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:01:03 -0500, Richard Schumacher
<no-spam@thank-you.com> wrote:

>
>
>stan@temple.edu wrote:
>
>> Steve Austin <johnmunch@qwest.net> wrote:
>> > Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco
>> > and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities
>> > will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea.
>>
>> You'll sooner see pigs flying on their own power in the next five years
>> than you will major cities on either continent be car-free.
>
>I wonder. If a car bomb went off each week in Manhattan, how long to you think
>it would take to prohibit private vehicles?
>
Have you ever seen a Manhattan street? Of do you consider
taxicabs and rented limos "private vehicles"?

************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
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"KStahl" <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3F524447.B0A0255F@yahoo.com...
> Jack May wrote:
> > It is extremely doubtful that you are correct and the published data is
> > incorrect.
>
> Well, if you are going to take the leap into being unreasonable and
> close your mind to facts, then I can't help you.

You have shown no facts to support your case. Just saying something does
not make it true. If the published data were wrong, there would be people
all over the story calling it a lie and providing data to refute the story.
You did not do the most critical part, proving the story was wrong.

On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 00:45:46 GMT, "Jack May"
<jack.may@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>"Hatunen" <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:0mj4lvco8oa5p2jgub1ag2ec5cci68pl8k@4ax.com.. .
>> >My brother, a GoldWinger would argue that there is no situation at any
>> >time where a motorcycle is not appropriate. He only has a truck
>> >reluctantly because he hasn't found a way to put enough bricks and
>> >lumber in the saddlebags to make a trip worthwhile.
>>
>> Then he is a hypocrite.
>
>A motorcycle is very addicting. Once the freedom from traffic congestion
>and the thrill becomes part of your life, you find it hard to get back in a
>boring car.
>
There are two kinds of motorcycle riders: those who have had a
bad accident and those who are going to have a bad accident.

And, yes, I spent the better part of a year using a motorcycle
instead of a car. And, yes, I know the danger comes from other
drivers.

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"Hatunen" <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ti45lvg52pv2rd4442akdn8lkn1q57sqlp@4ax.com...
> There are two kinds of motorcycle riders: those who have had a
> bad accident and those who are going to have a bad accident.
>
> And, yes, I spent the better part of a year using a motorcycle
> instead of a car. And, yes, I know the danger comes from other
> drivers.

I have been commuting to work on a motorcycle for 14 years. I know the
dangers, but the number of close calls seems to have decreased as I have
gained more experience.

I have not had a bad motorcycle accident in my life. I got my motorscooter
drivers license at 13 1/2 year of age a log time ago in Texas. I had a ten
year break before my present continuous commute, but I have been riding
regularly since I first got my license in Texas. At the same time I do
know that it can be the luck of the draw.

I also see a lot of really bad car accident going to work, so cars also have
their dangers. With lane splitting in California, I can avoid a lot of
chain reaction accidents that cars get into. Also about half of my commute
is counter traffic with very few cars on the freeway (Highway 85 in Santa
Clara County)

Besides motorcycle are addicting and very hard to give up.

"KStahl" <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3F52AD46.E88B62B9@yahoo.com...
> Jack May wrote:

> Show me your facts. You haven't yet. You've just attacked mine without
> any counter-evidence except your own private opinion and you certainly
> are not world-reknown as an authority on this matter.

BTW, as an almost irrelevant fact, I do have some experience in research.
My latest paper:
"Telescope resolution using negative refractive index materials, J. L. May"
was presented at the SPIE conference in San Diego on August 4th this year.

http://www.spie.org/Conferences/Prog...useaction=5166

I am the first person (that I or the audience knows of) to show an approach
that says it is possible to design telescopes (and antennas) with
resolutions possibly tens of times better than the diffraction limit of
traditional optics. I think that is somewhat significant.

Jack May wrote:
>
> "KStahl" <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3F52AD46.E88B62B9@yahoo.com...
> > Jack May wrote:
>
> > Show me your facts. You haven't yet. You've just attacked mine without
> > any counter-evidence except your own private opinion and you certainly
> > are not world-reknown as an authority on this matter.
>
> BTW, as an almost irrelevant fact, I do have some experience in research.
> My latest paper:
> "Telescope resolution using negative refractive index materials, J. L. May"
> was presented at the SPIE conference in San Diego on August 4th this year.
>
> http://www.spie.org/Conferences/Prog...useaction=5166
>
> I am the first person (that I or the audience knows of) to show an approach
> that says it is possible to design telescopes (and antennas) with
> resolutions possibly tens of times better than the diffraction limit of
> traditional optics. I think that is somewhat significant.

Whoopdydoo. So you know a few things about telescopes. Tell me, what is
the difference between signal(3) and signal(2)? I know that one. It is
within my realm of expertise.

The number of vehicles in cities has nothing to do with telescope. You
still haven't produced any evidence that there will be no vehicles in
certain cities in the coming years. Why? Because you don't have any. It
is just a SWAG. At least you have enough character to post in true name
- unless you lifted your name from some sap who doesn't know that you
borrowed it.

Jack May wrote:
>
>
> He can go to see streets of Time Square in full motion video anytime at:
>
> http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/timessquare/
>
> It tends to be a sea of yellow cabs.

Amazing!!! It's a very sparse sea populated with yellow cabs
and busses.

Of course, it a holiday.

Doug McDonald

"Trudi Marrapodi" <trudee@clarityconnect.competent> wrote in message
news:trudee-0109030110500001@cci-209150250063.clarityconnect.net...
> > I can't even carry two weeks of food for my two cats on the back of a
> > motorcycle.

> Wow, your cats must eat a lot! I can carry a 4-lb. bag of IAMS on the back
> of my *bicycle.* And that will last my two cats about a month or so.
> Perhaps yours need to go on a diet.

I feed them canned food and dry food. A can when I get up and a can at
night. Dry food is out for them (and what ever comes through the cat door)
all the time. Like most cats they don't stuff themselves and they eat only
a part of the can. They are very active and not fat. The canned food is
what takes up most of the space.

They add joy to my life so I make sure they also have a very nice a life.

I have taken care of my neighbor's cats who are given only dry food. It is
obvious when I give them canned food they like it a lot more than dry food
just like my cats. My neighbor said that when he got back from a trip that
one of his cats actually hissed at him when he gave her dry food.

Jack May wrote:
>
> I am the first person (that I or the audience knows of) to show an approach
> that says it is possible to design telescopes (and antennas) with
> resolutions possibly tens of times better than the diffraction limit of
> traditional optics. I think that is somewhat significant.

Not with linear optics (i.e. a linear response to light, i.e.
small fields).

As for microscopes, using nonlinear fields, it's been done:
far field resolution at 1/15 wavelength of light.

Look up "Stephan Hell".

Doug McDonald

In article <T2J4b.242969$cF.77697@rwcrnsc53>, "Jack May"
<jack.may@comcast.net> wrote:

> "Trudi Marrapodi" <trudee@clarityconnect.competent> wrote in message
> news:trudee-0109030110500001@cci-209150250063.clarityconnect.net...
> > > I can't even carry two weeks of food for my two cats on the back of a
> > > motorcycle.
>
> > Wow, your cats must eat a lot! I can carry a 4-lb. bag of IAMS on the back
> > of my *bicycle.* And that will last my two cats about a month or so.
> > Perhaps yours need to go on a diet.
>
> I feed them canned food and dry food. A can when I get up and a can at
> night. Dry food is out for them (and what ever comes through the cat door)
> all the time.

I don't bother with canned, and mine are happy that way. I'm sure they'd
love to get it, but they don't.

> Like most cats they don't stuff themselves and they eat only
> a part of the can. They are very active and not fat. The canned food is
> what takes up most of the space.

I can understand that. But I'm not so sure about "most cats don't stuff
themselves." My Maine Coon sure does. As for the Tortie, I call her "the
anorexic cat" because she eats only a few pieces of food at any given
time.

> They add joy to my life so I make sure they also have a very nice a life.

Seriously, I'm sure you do.

> I have taken care of my neighbor's cats who are given only dry food. It is
> obvious when I give them canned food they like it a lot more than dry food
> just like my cats. My neighbor said that when he got back from a trip that
> one of his cats actually hissed at him when he gave her dry food.

Well, I don't doubt that's true. Teach a cat the wonders of canned food,
and he will soon train you to feed him nothing else but. I figure that as
much as I love my cats, I'm going to feed them what's good for them and
what I want them to eat, and not let them dictate the menu for me.

Cats are all too good at "training" their owners to give them only their
favorite food via the vehicle of finickiness. If my Maine Coon (who is the
only one who will protest) turns up her nose at what I offer (and,
sometimes, scratches around the bowl as if to say "I'm not eating this
sh--"), I just leave it in the bowl. Eventually, hunger wins out over
finickiness and the food gets eaten.
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"Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:3F535D7B.328E55A@scs.uiuc.edu...
> Not with linear optics (i.e. a linear response to light, i.e.
> small fields).
>
> As for microscopes, using nonlinear fields, it's been done:
> far field resolution at 1/15 wavelength of light.

You get high resolution with optics when the evanescent (near field) fields
are strong. Evanescent fields are the high spatial frequency (wavelengths
smaller than the wavelength of the propagating signal) components of the
aperture.

Since the evanescent fields do not propagate very far (hundreds of
nano-meters for light), the problem is how can a sub-wavelength resolution
be obtained in a telescope that is very far from the star.

The answer appears to be to synthesize an evanescent spatial field and use
negative refractive index lenses to amplify and modify the fields. Recently
invented negative refractive index materials amplify the evanescent fields
exponentially while positive refractive index materials attenuate those
fields exponentially.

If you synthesize a field that is produced by a point source, you can focus
the incoming light into a very small point and possibly into a zero width
point (perfect lens). Lab experiments have focuses points to the wavelength
divided by 40 with passive materials. Since the spatial frequency is being
highly modified, that does not effect the intensity and color of the light
spectrum which is time varying .

We are assuming the use of active components so that the system will be
linear with gain making up the losses (I am an electronics engineer). We
have not finished developing the theory, but at this time it looks like
perfect focus is theoretically possible. Actual resolution will be
determined by the state of the art of electronics.

In article <eSM4b.247508$It4.116628@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net >, "Jack May"
<jack.may@comcast.net> wrote:

> "Trudi Marrapodi" <trudee@clarityconnect.competent> wrote in message
> news:trudee-0109031337280001@cci-209150250210.clarityconnect.net...
> > I don't bother with canned, and mine are happy that way. I'm sure they'd
> > love to get it, but they don't.
> >
> > > Like most cats they don't stuff themselves and they eat only
> > > a part of the can. They are very active and not fat. The canned food
> is
> > > what takes up most of the space.
> >
> > I can understand that. But I'm not so sure about "most cats don't stuff
> > themselves." My Maine Coon sure does. As for the Tortie, I call her "the
> > anorexic cat" because she eats only a few pieces of food at any given
> > time.
>
> You are correct. It does depend on the cat with some cats that are barely
> able to walk.

You must have seen my oldest sister's cats...

> > > They add joy to my life so I make sure they also have a very nice a
> life.
> >
> > Seriously, I'm sure you do.
>
> I also go through about five pounds of Costco peanuts per week for the
> neighborhood squirrels and five pounds per week for the wild birds. Yes I
> love animals and the variety they bring to life around a person's house.
>
> I guess I am just a leather clad, tough motorcycle guy, managing advanced
> technology projects with a soft spot for animals. Sort of like some of the
> villains in the James Bond movies that keep their fluffy white cat always
> near by :=)

Sounds like fun. ;-)

> > Well, I don't doubt that's true. Teach a cat the wonders of canned food,
> > and he will soon train you to feed him nothing else but. I figure that as
> > much as I love my cats, I'm going to feed them what's good for them and
> > what I want them to eat, and not let them dictate the menu for me.
>
> Sounds like you Puritan ethic coming through. I think IAMS markets the
> Puritan ethic people that think that something is good for you if it makes
> you suffer. I don't, and certainly my cats don't subscribe to the Puritan
> ethic. After all the Puritans didn't survive very well in history.

Hey, I'm no Puritan. I started buying the stuff because I have one fat cat
who gets hairballs. Anytime I can get her a formula that's supposed to
keep the weight down and reduce the hairballs, I'm with the program. And
my cats like it. They don't suffer. It's just that the fat one has this
idea that if the food hasn't been freshly poured into the bowl right this
second, it is "stale," and she doesn't have to eat it. I am of a different
mind.

The problem with allowing cats to subscribe to the Dionysian ethic (which
all cats would do if given a choice) is that you end up waiting on them
hand and foot and buying only the food they deign to eat at a given time.
I love my cats and I want 'em to be happy, but that desire stops at the
point of servitude. They get a good enough deal having a life with me in
which they get to sleep and play all day and not have to earn their keep.
(If I could, I'd teach them to cook and clean, and have a hot dinner on
the table when I got home, but I guess that would be expecting too much.)

	#1
Steve Austin	News On The USA Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea.

	#2
Miguel Cruz	Re: News On The USA Steve Austin <johnmunch@qwest.net> wrote: > Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco > and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities > will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea. Yes, that's entirely correct. So you can let it rest now. miguel -- Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu

	#3
KStahl	Re: News On The USA Steve Austin wrote: > > Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco > and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities > will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea. I think that Manhattan should be declared car free immediately. Also, no commercial vehicles (other then public transport) except between 1pm and 5ap. Along with this, public transit must be reduced to a price that everyone can afford to use from any point in the city to any other point. Bus routes and subway routes must adjust their frequency to that of the highest hour of the day and remain at that rate 24 hours a day until such time as it is demonstrated that the current peak hour frequency is not justified by ridership. No holiday or weekend schedules. No person waiting at any bus stop anywhere in Manhattan should ever have to wait more then ten minutes for any bus that services that stop. All public transportation shall be equipped with metal detectors and anyone attempting to carry a gun on public transportation will receive a mandatory one-week sentence to Rikers in the general population.

	#4
John R Cambron	Re: News On The USA Steve Austin wrote: > > Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco > and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities > will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea. I heard from multiple media outlets that the average number of cars per household is now greater then the number of licensed driver per household. 1.9 vehicles per household. 1.8 licensed drivers per household. Kind of dries up your wet dream. -- ================================================== ==================== Ever wanted one of these John R Cambron http://205.130.220.18/~cambronj/wmata/ or North Beach MD USA http://www.chesapeake.net/~cambronj/wmata/ cambronj@chesapeake.net ================================================== ====================

	#5
KStahl	Re: News On The USA John R Cambron wrote: > > Steve Austin wrote: > > > > Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco > > and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities > > will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea. > > I heard from multiple media outlets that the average number of cars > per household is now greater then the number of licensed driver per > household. > > 1.9 vehicles per household. > 1.8 licensed drivers per household. > > Kind of dries up your wet dream. > Here are a couple debunking url's: http://www.mtc.ca.gov/datamart/forec...8/TableS16.htm http://www.mtc.ca.gov/datamart/forec...8/TableS10.htm http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8 http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8

	#6
Jack May	Re: News On The USA "KStahl" <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3F515476.DFBE1746@yahoo.com... > John R Cambron wrote: > > > http://www.mtc.ca.gov/datamart/forec...8/TableS16.htm > http://www.mtc.ca.gov/datamart/forec...8/TableS10.htm > > http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8 > > http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8 Gee, masses of data not seeming to debunk anything. If you think you have point, tell us what you think the data means.

	#7
Jack May	Re: News On The USA "John R Cambron" <cambronj@chesapeake.net> wrote in message news:vl2c2kbsglg477@corp.supernews.com... > > > Steve Austin wrote: > > > > Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco > > and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities > > will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea. > > I heard from multiple media outlets that the average number of cars > per household is now greater then the number of licensed driver per > household. > > 1.9 vehicles per household. > 1.8 licensed drivers per household. > > Kind of dries up your wet dream. The person doing the posting is a nut case that apparently is let out of his padded cell every few months to post the same drivel. BTW, there is one person in my household, me. I have two vehicles. A car and a motorcycle. My main transportation is the motorcycle with the car used for Costco, etc. and when the roads are too slick from the first rains.

	#8
stan@temple.edu	Re: News On The USA Steve Austin <johnmunch@qwest.net> wrote: > Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco > and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities > will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea. You'll sooner see pigs flying on their own power in the next five years than you will major cities on either continent be car-free.

	#9
Jym Dyer	Re: News On The USA v Folks, every now and then this loon posts this announcement to the Bay Area newsgroup. He/she/it has now apparently learned how to cross-post. Don't feed the troll. <_Jym_> P.S.: But it is a good idea.

	#10
KStahl	Re: News On The USA Jack May wrote: > > "KStahl" <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:3F515476.DFBE1746@yahoo.com... > > John R Cambron wrote: > > > > > > > http://www.mtc.ca.gov/datamart/forec...8/TableS16.htm > > http://www.mtc.ca.gov/datamart/forec...8/TableS10.htm > > > > > http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8 > > > > > http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8 > > Gee, masses of data not seeming to debunk anything. If you think you have > point, tell us what you think the data means. That the idea that vehicle ownership is declining when everything points in the opposite direction. In other words, there is no support for the declining vehicle theory. You may like the idea, but no one else seems to.

	#11
Richard Schumacher	Re: News On The USA Steve Austin wrote: > Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco > and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities > will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea. Could be. It wouldn't take very many car bombs. Highways would have to stay open but the exits would be closed. Perhaps a licensing and inspection scheme could be developed to permit cabs and limos.

	#12
Richard Schumacher	Re: News On The USA stan@temple.edu wrote: > Steve Austin <johnmunch@qwest.net> wrote: > > Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco > > and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities > > will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea. > > You'll sooner see pigs flying on their own power in the next five years > than you will major cities on either continent be car-free. I wonder. If a car bomb went off each week in Manhattan, how long to you think it would take to prohibit private vehicles?

	#14
GMAN	Re: News On The USA In article <bisnqq$lqk$2@cronkite.temple.edu>, stan@temple.edu wrote: >Steve Austin <johnmunch@qwest.net> wrote: >> Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco >> and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities >> will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea. > >You'll sooner see pigs flying on their own power in the next five years >than you will major cities on either continent be car-free. They put out methane so just mount a methane powered motor to their ass and awy they go.

	#16
Jack May	Re: News On The USA "GMAN" <glenzabr@xmission.com> wrote in message news:bitc49$1d2$5@terabinaries.xmission.com... > >You'll sooner see pigs flying on their own power in the next five years > >than you will major cities on either continent be car-free. > They put out methane so just mount a methane powered motor to their ass and > awy they go. At one time I theorized that was how Superman flew. Maybe he was really Super fart man.

	#18
Stephen Dailey	Re: News On The USA In article <aU94b.56$sy4.38337@news.uswest.net>, johnmunch@qwest.net says... > Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco > and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities > will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea. > > > He's baaack.... === Steve

	#19
alohacyberian	Re: News On The USA <stan@temple.edu> wrote in message news:bisnqq$lqk$2@cronkite.temple.edu... > Steve Austin <johnmunch@qwest.net> wrote: > > Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco > > and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities > > will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea. > > You'll sooner see pigs flying on their own power in the next five years > than you will major cities on either continent be car-free. > Agreed! You won't see any major cities in any country car-free in the next 50 years! Making cities car-free is not an act of progress, rather it's retrogression apologies to the lunatic fringe. KM -- (-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3000 live cameras or visit NASA, play games, read jokes, send greeting cards & connect to CNN news, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards or learn all about Hawaii, Israel and more: http://keith.martin.home.att.net/

	#20
alohacyberian	Re: News On The USA "Jym Dyer" <jym@econet.org> wrote in message news:Jym.wzekz13m80.fsf@econet.org... > =v= Folks, every now and then this loon posts this announcement > to the Bay Area newsgroup. He/she/it has now apparently learned > how to cross-post. Don't feed the troll. > <_Jym_> > > P.S.: But it is a good idea. > No, it isn't a good idea, its ludicrous! And it won't happen - the energy industry won't let it happen, the automobile industry won't let it happen and people won't tolerate it. KM -- (-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3000 live cameras or visit NASA, play games, read jokes, send greeting cards & connect to CNN news, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards or learn all about Hawaii, Israel and more: http://keith.martin.home.att.net/

	#21
alohacyberian	Re: News On The USA "Jack May" <jack.may@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Ngq4b.315020$o%2.142772@sccrnsc02... > "KStahl" <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:3F5214F3.2119816D@yahoo.com... > > Jack May wrote: > > > Gee, masses of data not seeming to debunk anything. If you think you > have > > > point, tell us what you think the data means. > > > > That the idea that vehicle ownership is declining when everything points > > in the opposite direction. In other words, there is no support for the > > declining vehicle theory. You may like the idea, but no one else seems > > to. > > I sure did not see that in the data. I saw some place below the national > average and some above it. You linked to local data not national data. You > have not proven your point. > "I can prove anything by statistics except the truth." ~ George Canning (c. 1826) -- (-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3000 live cameras or visit NASA, play games, read jokes, send greeting cards & connect to CNN news, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards or learn all about Hawaii, Israel and more: http://keith.martin.home.att.net/

	#22
alohacyberian	Re: News On The USA "Richard Schumacher" <no-spam@thank-you.com> wrote in message news:3F522860.25809775@thank-you.com... > Steve Austin wrote: > > > Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco > > and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities > > will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea. > > Could be. It wouldn't take very many car bombs. Highways would have to stay > open but the exits would be closed. Perhaps a licensing and inspection scheme > could be developed to permit cabs and limos. > It's more likely we'll see a licensing scheme to permit cows to fly. KM -- (-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3000 live cameras or visit NASA, play games, read jokes, send greeting cards & connect to CNN news, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards or learn all about Hawaii, Israel and more: http://keith.martin.home.att.net/

	#23
Hatunen	Re: News On The USA On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:01:03 -0500, Richard Schumacher <no-spam@thank-you.com> wrote: > > >stan@temple.edu wrote: > >> Steve Austin <johnmunch@qwest.net> wrote: >> > Sources tell CNN that all cities in the USA, including San Francisco >> > and Boston, will be car-free within the next five years. European cities >> > will be as well. So will Tokyo, Japan, and Seoul, Korea. >> >> You'll sooner see pigs flying on their own power in the next five years >> than you will major cities on either continent be car-free. > >I wonder. If a car bomb went off each week in Manhattan, how long to you think >it would take to prohibit private vehicles? > Have you ever seen a Manhattan street? Of do you consider taxicabs and rented limos "private vehicles"? *********** DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *********** * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

	#25
Hatunen	Re: News On The USA On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 00:45:46 GMT, "Jack May" <jack.may@comcast.net> wrote: > >"Hatunen" <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote in message >news:0mj4lvco8oa5p2jgub1ag2ec5cci68pl8k@4ax.com.. . >> >My brother, a GoldWinger would argue that there is no situation at any >> >time where a motorcycle is not appropriate. He only has a truck >> >reluctantly because he hasn't found a way to put enough bricks and >> >lumber in the saddlebags to make a trip worthwhile. >> >> Then he is a hypocrite. > >A motorcycle is very addicting. Once the freedom from traffic congestion >and the thrill becomes part of your life, you find it hard to get back in a >boring car. > There are two kinds of motorcycle riders: those who have had a bad accident and those who are going to have a bad accident. And, yes, I spent the better part of a year using a motorcycle instead of a car. And, yes, I know the danger comes from other drivers. *********** DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *********** * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

	#26
Jack May	Re: News On The USA "Hatunen" <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote in message news:ti45lvg52pv2rd4442akdn8lkn1q57sqlp@4ax.com... > There are two kinds of motorcycle riders: those who have had a > bad accident and those who are going to have a bad accident. > > And, yes, I spent the better part of a year using a motorcycle > instead of a car. And, yes, I know the danger comes from other > drivers. I have been commuting to work on a motorcycle for 14 years. I know the dangers, but the number of close calls seems to have decreased as I have gained more experience. I have not had a bad motorcycle accident in my life. I got my motorscooter drivers license at 13 1/2 year of age a log time ago in Texas. I had a ten year break before my present continuous commute, but I have been riding regularly since I first got my license in Texas. At the same time I do know that it can be the luck of the draw. I also see a lot of really bad car accident going to work, so cars also have their dangers. With lane splitting in California, I can avoid a lot of chain reaction accidents that cars get into. Also about half of my commute is counter traffic with very few cars on the freeway (Highway 85 in Santa Clara County) Besides motorcycle are addicting and very hard to give up.

	#29
Doug McDonald	Re: News On The USA Jack May wrote: > > > He can go to see streets of Time Square in full motion video anytime at: > > http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/timessquare/ > > It tends to be a sea of yellow cabs. Amazing!!! It's a very sparse sea populated with yellow cabs and busses. Of course, it a holiday. Doug McDonald

	#30
Jack May	Re: News On The USA "Trudi Marrapodi" <trudee@clarityconnect.competent> wrote in message news:trudee-0109030110500001@cci-209150250063.clarityconnect.net... > > I can't even carry two weeks of food for my two cats on the back of a > > motorcycle. > Wow, your cats must eat a lot! I can carry a 4-lb. bag of IAMS on the back > of my bicycle. And that will last my two cats about a month or so. > Perhaps yours need to go on a diet. I feed them canned food and dry food. A can when I get up and a can at night. Dry food is out for them (and what ever comes through the cat door) all the time. Like most cats they don't stuff themselves and they eat only a part of the can. They are very active and not fat. The canned food is what takes up most of the space. They add joy to my life so I make sure they also have a very nice a life. I have taken care of my neighbor's cats who are given only dry food. It is obvious when I give them canned food they like it a lot more than dry food just like my cats. My neighbor said that when he got back from a trip that one of his cats actually hissed at him when he gave her dry food.

	#32
Trudi Marrapodi	Re: News On The USA In article <T2J4b.242969$cF.77697@rwcrnsc53>, "Jack May" <jack.may@comcast.net> wrote: > "Trudi Marrapodi" <trudee@clarityconnect.competent> wrote in message > news:trudee-0109030110500001@cci-209150250063.clarityconnect.net... > > > I can't even carry two weeks of food for my two cats on the back of a > > > motorcycle. > > > Wow, your cats must eat a lot! I can carry a 4-lb. bag of IAMS on the back > > of my bicycle. And that will last my two cats about a month or so. > > Perhaps yours need to go on a diet. > > I feed them canned food and dry food. A can when I get up and a can at > night. Dry food is out for them (and what ever comes through the cat door) > all the time. I don't bother with canned, and mine are happy that way. I'm sure they'd love to get it, but they don't. > Like most cats they don't stuff themselves and they eat only > a part of the can. They are very active and not fat. The canned food is > what takes up most of the space. I can understand that. But I'm not so sure about "most cats don't stuff themselves." My Maine Coon sure does. As for the Tortie, I call her "the anorexic cat" because she eats only a few pieces of food at any given time. > They add joy to my life so I make sure they also have a very nice a life. Seriously, I'm sure you do. > I have taken care of my neighbor's cats who are given only dry food. It is > obvious when I give them canned food they like it a lot more than dry food > just like my cats. My neighbor said that when he got back from a trip that > one of his cats actually hissed at him when he gave her dry food. Well, I don't doubt that's true. Teach a cat the wonders of canned food, and he will soon train you to feed him nothing else but. I figure that as much as I love my cats, I'm going to feed them what's good for them and what I want them to eat, and not let them dictate the menu for me. Cats are all too good at "training" their owners to give them only their favorite food via the vehicle of finickiness. If my Maine Coon (who is the only one who will protest) turns up her nose at what I offer (and, sometimes, scratches around the bowl as if to say "I'm not eating this sh--"), I just leave it in the bowl. Eventually, hunger wins out over finickiness and the food gets eaten. -- Trudi "Closed Due to Blackout. Pray for the Chocolate!" --sign in Cleveland store, 8/14/03 ____ Say NO to secret judging and corruption in skating -- support SkateFAIR! http://www.skatefair.org

	#33
Jack May	Re: News On The USA "Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message news:3F535D7B.328E55A@scs.uiuc.edu... > Not with linear optics (i.e. a linear response to light, i.e. > small fields). > > As for microscopes, using nonlinear fields, it's been done: > far field resolution at 1/15 wavelength of light. You get high resolution with optics when the evanescent (near field) fields are strong. Evanescent fields are the high spatial frequency (wavelengths smaller than the wavelength of the propagating signal) components of the aperture. Since the evanescent fields do not propagate very far (hundreds of nano-meters for light), the problem is how can a sub-wavelength resolution be obtained in a telescope that is very far from the star. The answer appears to be to synthesize an evanescent spatial field and use negative refractive index lenses to amplify and modify the fields. Recently invented negative refractive index materials amplify the evanescent fields exponentially while positive refractive index materials attenuate those fields exponentially. If you synthesize a field that is produced by a point source, you can focus the incoming light into a very small point and possibly into a zero width point (perfect lens). Lab experiments have focuses points to the wavelength divided by 40 with passive materials. Since the spatial frequency is being highly modified, that does not effect the intensity and color of the light spectrum which is time varying . We are assuming the use of active components so that the system will be linear with gain making up the losses (I am an electronics engineer). We have not finished developing the theory, but at this time it looks like perfect focus is theoretically possible. Actual resolution will be determined by the state of the art of electronics.