Hatch Wants A Foreign Born U.S. Prez.

How does everyone else feel about this? Click on the link below to read,

http://www.heraldnews.com/site/news....=9 9784&rfi=6

Seems like typical Orrin Hatch: He uses his "conservative" cover to push
what would otherwise be noted as a "left-wing" cause. He has done this
repeatedly during his Senate career. And, worse of all, a lot of Utahans
keep voting this guy back into office.

Is there any chance in Hell that perhaps our Founding Fathers had a reason
for this being in the Constitution other than just keeping "foreigners" from
the presidency? Perhaps that an immigrant might not have totally given up
his or her allegiance to their former nation, while their children who would
be born here would have had no connection to it? Just look at the number
of Mexican immigrants (both legal and illegal) who want to be able to keep
their Mexican citizenship while enjoying the benefits of being in the United
States (or being a citizen).

I overwhelmingly believe that the Founders were much wiser than Senator
Hatch, even though he constantly sees himself as being wiser than most of
them combined. And as far as his claim that his proposal to amend the
Constitution is not "taken lightly", that's absolute bull - he's proposed
year after year an amendment to the Constitution to ban flag burning - an
amendment which is totally unnecessary and gives the idea that there is
something wrong with the Constitution itself.

")(oo)( x{}X" <s44xz@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> How does everyone else feel about this? Click on the link below to read,
>
>
http://www.heraldnews.com/site/news....0&PAG=461&dept
_id=99784&rfi=6
>

"Bob the Janitor" <Nooneinparticular@nowhere.com> writes:

>Seems like typical Orrin Hatch: He uses his "conservative" cover to push
>what would otherwise be noted as a "left-wing" cause. He has done this
>repeatedly during his Senate career.

>Constitution is not "taken lightly", that's absolute bull - he's proposed
>year after year an amendment to the Constitution to ban flag burning - an
>amendment which is totally unnecessary and gives the idea that there is
>something wrong with the Constitution itself.

The flag burning amendment is a "left-wing" cause?
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>"Bob the Janitor" <Nooneinparticular@nowhere.com> writes:
>
>>Seems like typical Orrin Hatch: He uses his "conservative" cover to push
>>what would otherwise be noted as a "left-wing" cause. He has done this
>>repeatedly during his Senate career.
>
>>Constitution is not "taken lightly", that's absolute bull - he's proposed
>>year after year an amendment to the Constitution to ban flag burning - an
>>amendment which is totally unnecessary and gives the idea that there is
>>something wrong with the Constitution itself.
>
>The flag burning amendment is a "left-wing" cause?

I think in both cases substitute the word "statist" for "left-wing"
and you're both statements become more accurate.

Hatch loves government, loves making it bigger, loves making it spend
more, loves having it encroach on our freedoms more. That he does it
all in the name of "conservatism" is what makes "conservatism" a
morally bankrupt position in modern american politics. The "left" is
the same way, its just a difference in the ways in which they want to
grow the state. The "left" and the "right" argue about where and how
they should grow the state as if everyone sits down on April 15th
every year and says "Gee, I sure do wish the government were BIGGER!".
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"Bob the Janitor" <Nooneinparticular@nowhere.com> writes:

>Reminds me of Orrin's call for legislation to destroy the computers of those
>who download music from the internet - certainly that cannot be considered
>to be "conservative".

No, that is what I call "moronic".
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In article <Q81Sa.94140$ye4.66509@sccrnsc01>, "Bob the Janitor" <Nooneinparticular@nowhere.com> wrote:
>Perhaps "left wing" is not the correct descriptor - however, it implies a
>problem with the Constitution itself, of which there is none. Hatch simply
>loves the expansion of government - is flag burning such a problem that we
>have to change the "law of the land" to prevent it? Of course not.
>
>Same with the restriction on foreign-born presidents. Certainly there are
>more pressing needs than amending the Constitution for this non-sense.
>
>Reminds me of Orrin's call for legislation to destroy the computers of those
>who download music from the internet - certainly that cannot be considered
>to be "conservative".
>
I am in no way a supporter of Hatch or that idiotic idea but i truely believe
he did not come up with the idea. I believe earlier i heard that the MPAA and
the RIAA have both said that if they could access the so called pirated data
on ones hard drive they would attemp to destroy or delete said files even if
it mean disabling access to ones computer. I say just let them try and let
them get sued . A huge class action would be sweet..
>
>
>"Bob the Janitor" <Nooneinparticular@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>news:3cqQa.50518$sY2.23234@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att. net...
>>
>> Seems like typical Orrin Hatch: He uses his "conservative" cover to push
>> what would otherwise be noted as a "left-wing" cause. He has done this
>> repeatedly during his Senate career. And, worse of all, a lot of Utahans
>> keep voting this guy back into office.
>>
>> Is there any chance in Hell that perhaps our Founding Fathers had a reason
>> for this being in the Constitution other than just keeping "foreigners"
>from
>> the presidency? Perhaps that an immigrant might not have totally given up
>> his or her allegiance to their former nation, while their children who
>would
>> be born here would have had no connection to it? Just look at the number
>> of Mexican immigrants (both legal and illegal) who want to be able to keep
>> their Mexican citizenship while enjoying the benefits of being in the
>United
>> States (or being a citizen).
>>
>> I overwhelmingly believe that the Founders were much wiser than Senator
>> Hatch, even though he constantly sees himself as being wiser than most of
>> them combined. And as far as his claim that his proposal to amend the
>> Constitution is not "taken lightly", that's absolute bull - he's proposed
>> year after year an amendment to the Constitution to ban flag burning - an
>> amendment which is totally unnecessary and gives the idea that there is
>> something wrong with the Constitution itself.
>>
>>
>>
>> ")(oo)( x{}X" <s44xz@webtv.net> wrote in message
>> news:15259-3F11DCBE-38@storefull-2212.public.lawson.webtv.net...
>> > How does everyone else feel about this? Click on the link below to read,
>> >
>> >
>>
>http://www.heraldnews.com/site/news....0&PAG=461&dept
>> _id=99784&rfi=6
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

"Pete Ashdown" <pashdown@xmission.com> wrote in message
news:bfa9vm$l1p$1@terabinaries.xmission.com...
> "Bob the Janitor" <Nooneinparticular@nowhere.com> writes:
>
> >Reminds me of Orrin's call for legislation to destroy the computers of
those
> >who download music from the internet - certainly that cannot be
considered
> >to be "conservative".
>
> No, that is what I call "moronic".

I could not agree more...

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\	Hatch Wants A Foreign Born U.S. Prez. How does everyone else feel about this? Click on the link below to read, http://www.heraldnews.com/site/news....=9 9784&rfi=6

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Bob the Janitor	Re: Hatch Wants A Foreign Born U.S. Prez. Seems like typical Orrin Hatch: He uses his "conservative" cover to push what would otherwise be noted as a "left-wing" cause. He has done this repeatedly during his Senate career. And, worse of all, a lot of Utahans keep voting this guy back into office. Is there any chance in Hell that perhaps our Founding Fathers had a reason for this being in the Constitution other than just keeping "foreigners" from the presidency? Perhaps that an immigrant might not have totally given up his or her allegiance to their former nation, while their children who would be born here would have had no connection to it? Just look at the number of Mexican immigrants (both legal and illegal) who want to be able to keep their Mexican citizenship while enjoying the benefits of being in the United States (or being a citizen). I overwhelmingly believe that the Founders were much wiser than Senator Hatch, even though he constantly sees himself as being wiser than most of them combined. And as far as his claim that his proposal to amend the Constitution is not "taken lightly", that's absolute bull - he's proposed year after year an amendment to the Constitution to ban flag burning - an amendment which is totally unnecessary and gives the idea that there is something wrong with the Constitution itself. ")(oo)( x{}X" <s44xz@webtv.net> wrote in message news:15259-3F11DCBE-38@storefull-2212.public.lawson.webtv.net... > How does everyone else feel about this? Click on the link below to read, > > http://www.heraldnews.com/site/news....0&PAG=461&dept _id=99784&rfi=6 >

	#3
Pete Ashdown	Re: Hatch Wants A Foreign Born U.S. Prez. "Bob the Janitor" <Nooneinparticular@nowhere.com> writes: >Seems like typical Orrin Hatch: He uses his "conservative" cover to push >what would otherwise be noted as a "left-wing" cause. He has done this >repeatedly during his Senate career. >Constitution is not "taken lightly", that's absolute bull - he's proposed >year after year an amendment to the Constitution to ban flag burning - an >amendment which is totally unnecessary and gives the idea that there is >something wrong with the Constitution itself. The flag burning amendment is a "left-wing" cause? -- Pneumatic tubes are killing the Internet. Pete Ashdown pashdown@xmission.com ICQ:5717723 Salt Lake City, Utah XMission Internet Access - http://www.xmission.com - Voice: 801 539 0852

	#4
Rich	Re: Hatch Wants A Foreign Born U.S. Prez. [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup] Pete Ashdown <pashdown@xmission.com> spake the secret code <beujmc$3gq$1@terabinaries.xmission.com> thusly: >"Bob the Janitor" <Nooneinparticular@nowhere.com> writes: > >>Seems like typical Orrin Hatch: He uses his "conservative" cover to push >>what would otherwise be noted as a "left-wing" cause. He has done this >>repeatedly during his Senate career. > >>Constitution is not "taken lightly", that's absolute bull - he's proposed >>year after year an amendment to the Constitution to ban flag burning - an >>amendment which is totally unnecessary and gives the idea that there is >>something wrong with the Constitution itself. > >The flag burning amendment is a "left-wing" cause? I think in both cases substitute the word "statist" for "left-wing" and you're both statements become more accurate. Hatch loves government, loves making it bigger, loves making it spend more, loves having it encroach on our freedoms more. That he does it all in the name of "conservatism" is what makes "conservatism" a morally bankrupt position in modern american politics. The "left" is the same way, its just a difference in the ways in which they want to grow the state. The "left" and the "right" argue about where and how they should grow the state as if everyone sits down on April 15th every year and says "Gee, I sure do wish the government were BIGGER!". -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> Pilgrimage: Utah's first annual demoparty on August 9th, 2003 <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>

	#6
GMAN	Re: Hatch Wants A Foreign Born U.S. Prez. In article <Q81Sa.94140$ye4.66509@sccrnsc01>, "Bob the Janitor" <Nooneinparticular@nowhere.com> wrote: >Perhaps "left wing" is not the correct descriptor - however, it implies a >problem with the Constitution itself, of which there is none. Hatch simply >loves the expansion of government - is flag burning such a problem that we >have to change the "law of the land" to prevent it? Of course not. > >Same with the restriction on foreign-born presidents. Certainly there are >more pressing needs than amending the Constitution for this non-sense. > >Reminds me of Orrin's call for legislation to destroy the computers of those >who download music from the internet - certainly that cannot be considered >to be "conservative". > I am in no way a supporter of Hatch or that idiotic idea but i truely believe he did not come up with the idea. I believe earlier i heard that the MPAA and the RIAA have both said that if they could access the so called pirated data on ones hard drive they would attemp to destroy or delete said files even if it mean disabling access to ones computer. I say just let them try and let them get sued . A huge class action would be sweet.. > > >"Bob the Janitor" <Nooneinparticular@nowhere.com> wrote in message >news:3cqQa.50518$sY2.23234@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att. net... >> >> Seems like typical Orrin Hatch: He uses his "conservative" cover to push >> what would otherwise be noted as a "left-wing" cause. He has done this >> repeatedly during his Senate career. And, worse of all, a lot of Utahans >> keep voting this guy back into office. >> >> Is there any chance in Hell that perhaps our Founding Fathers had a reason >> for this being in the Constitution other than just keeping "foreigners" >from >> the presidency? Perhaps that an immigrant might not have totally given up >> his or her allegiance to their former nation, while their children who >would >> be born here would have had no connection to it? Just look at the number >> of Mexican immigrants (both legal and illegal) who want to be able to keep >> their Mexican citizenship while enjoying the benefits of being in the >United >> States (or being a citizen). >> >> I overwhelmingly believe that the Founders were much wiser than Senator >> Hatch, even though he constantly sees himself as being wiser than most of >> them combined. And as far as his claim that his proposal to amend the >> Constitution is not "taken lightly", that's absolute bull - he's proposed >> year after year an amendment to the Constitution to ban flag burning - an >> amendment which is totally unnecessary and gives the idea that there is >> something wrong with the Constitution itself. >> >> >> >> ")(oo)( x{}X" <s44xz@webtv.net> wrote in message >> news:15259-3F11DCBE-38@storefull-2212.public.lawson.webtv.net... >> > How does everyone else feel about this? Click on the link below to read, >> > >> > >> >http://www.heraldnews.com/site/news....0&PAG=461&dept >> _id=99784&rfi=6 >> > >> >> > >