Fnord!

Hello,

I'm curious if there's any Hippies/spiritual people in the area that might
want to get together for wonderful and open-minded conversation. Feel free
to e-mail me directly. (pinhead@xmission.com)

Thanks!

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"blah" <pinhead@xmission.com> spake the secret code
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>I'm curious if there's any Hippies/spiritual people [...]

Are these supposed to be synonyms?

I thought hippie was a synonym for socialist.
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>
> "blah" <pinhead@xmission.com> spake the secret code
> <becj7c$ij$1@terabinaries.xmission.com> thusly:
>
> >I'm curious if there's any Hippies/spiritual people [...]
>
> Are these supposed to be synonyms?
>
> I thought hippie was a synonym for socialist.

Yes, they're synonyms to me. I realize that not all hippies/socialists will
have a spiritual nature, and that's okay. I'm simply looking for
open-minded/friendly people to talk with.

[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]

"blah" <pinhead@xmission.com> spake the secret code
<becq69$22n$1@terabinaries.xmission.com> thusly:

>> >I'm curious if there's any Hippies/spiritual people [...]
>>
>> Are these supposed to be synonyms?
>>
>> I thought hippie was a synonym for socialist.
>
>Yes, they're synonyms to me. I realize that not all hippies/socialists will
>have a spiritual nature, and that's okay. I'm simply looking for
>open-minded/friendly people to talk with.

If I'm not a hippie, I'm not open-minded and friendly?

I thought open-minded and socialist were mutually contradictory points
of view as well. Socialism is pretty much a world-wide failure, an
open mind would evaluate that reality and incorporate it into a
conclusion that socialism should be abandoned as an organizing
principle for society.

Socialists I've met are generally close-minded and only friendly to
the extent that they want to confiscate my earnings and spend it on
their pet projects.
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"Rich" <legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com> wrote in message
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>
> "blah" <pinhead@xmission.com> spake the secret code
> <becj7c$ij$1@terabinaries.xmission.com> thusly:
>
> >I'm curious if there's any Hippies/spiritual people [...]
>
> Are these supposed to be synonyms?
>
> I thought hippie was a synonym for socialist.

I know some socialist that are still hygienic.

"Rich" <legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com> wrote in message
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> If I'm not a hippie, I'm not open-minded and friendly?
>
> I thought open-minded and socialist were mutually contradictory points
> of view as well. Socialism is pretty much a world-wide failure, an
> open mind would evaluate that reality and incorporate it into a
> conclusion that socialism should be abandoned as an organizing
> principle for society.
>
> Socialists I've met are generally close-minded and only friendly to
> the extent that they want to confiscate my earnings and spend it on
> their pet projects.

This scenario looks like one of those "you're open minded as long as you
agree with me" ones.

We're all generally friendly here. But he might not get everyone to
agree with him.

Rich wrote:
> I thought open-minded and socialist were mutually contradictory points
> of view as well. Socialism is pretty much a world-wide failure, an
> open mind would evaluate that reality and incorporate it into a
> conclusion that socialism should be abandoned as an organizing
> principle for society.

This would come as a big surprise to a number of European nations.

> Socialists I've met are generally close-minded and only friendly to
> the extent that they want to confiscate my earnings and spend it on
> their pet projects.

Yeah, we all know there are no friendly Swedes, or Danes, or Norwegians,
etc. (I really don't keep track of who's socialist and who isn't.)

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"Rich" <legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com> wrote in message
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> [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
>
> "blah" <pinhead@xmission.com> spake the secret code
> <becq69$22n$1@terabinaries.xmission.com> thusly:
>
> >> >I'm curious if there's any Hippies/spiritual people [...]
> >>
> >> Are these supposed to be synonyms?
> >>
> >> I thought hippie was a synonym for socialist.
> >
> >Yes, they're synonyms to me. I realize that not all hippies/socialists
will
> >have a spiritual nature, and that's okay. I'm simply looking for
> >open-minded/friendly people to talk with.
>
> If I'm not a hippie, I'm not open-minded and friendly?
>
> I thought open-minded and socialist were mutually contradictory points
> of view as well. Socialism is pretty much a world-wide failure, an
> open mind would evaluate that reality and incorporate it into a
> conclusion that socialism should be abandoned as an organizing
> principle for society.
>
> Socialists I've met are generally close-minded and only friendly to
> the extent that they want to confiscate my earnings and spend it on
> their pet projects.

I knew before I wrote this post that some of you would turn this into a
debate. Why are you responding to this?

Socialists *can* be open-minded. Communists *can* be very open-minded, as
long as the commune is constructed for the people who want it. The only
"problem" with communism is that it will only be successful for the
generation who started the commune, and I think that's great. Open-minded
people are able to come together to make a temporary society that benefits
themselves. Why should they try to force their "paradise" onto others?
They shouldn't, and I can't stand the hippies that preach lifestyle.

It's unfortunate that most of the socialists that you've met are
closed-minded. It's also unfortunate that most people are closed-minded.
Anyway, I'm really not about to try to prove myself to you, so let's
consider this thread ended.

"pigo" <pigopowderNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Rich" <legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com> wrote in message
> news:becsi9$2i3$1@terabinaries.xmission.com...
>
> > If I'm not a hippie, I'm not open-minded and friendly?
> >
> > I thought open-minded and socialist were mutually contradictory points
> > of view as well. Socialism is pretty much a world-wide failure, an
> > open mind would evaluate that reality and incorporate it into a
> > conclusion that socialism should be abandoned as an organizing
> > principle for society.
> >
> > Socialists I've met are generally close-minded and only friendly to
> > the extent that they want to confiscate my earnings and spend it on
> > their pet projects.
>
> This scenario looks like one of those "you're open minded as long as you
> agree with me" ones.
>
> We're all generally friendly here. But he might not get everyone to
> agree with him.

How's the mormon-bashing going, piggy? Have you convinced all of the
mormons that they're wrong and you're right? lol..

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Raptor <me@attbi.com> spake the secret code
<3F0A460B.9080501@attbi.com> thusly:

>Rich wrote:
>> I thought open-minded and socialist were mutually contradictory points
>> of view as well. Socialism is pretty much a world-wide failure, an
>> open mind would evaluate that reality and incorporate it into a
>> conclusion that socialism should be abandoned as an organizing
>> principle for society.
>
>This would come as a big surprise to a number of European nations.

Depends on which part of Europe you are talking about. If you're
talking about Western Europe, then yes they haven't learned this
lesson yet. If you're talking about Eastern Europe, they have
definately learned the lesson.

>> Socialists I've met are generally close-minded and only friendly to
>> the extent that they want to confiscate my earnings and spend it on
>> their pet projects.
>
>Yeah, we all know there are no friendly Swedes, or Danes, or Norwegians,
>etc.

Since the person wants to meet someone and is posting to utah.general
the assumption is that they want to meet people in Utah. This implied
qualification was in effect for my post.

Also, many people who don't self-identify themselves as socialist do
in fact support socialist governmental policies and I'm not talking
about those people either. People who self-identify as socialists are
not friends of freedom. Just talk to any of the ranters and ravers
outside the Olpin Union on the U.'s campus who are handing out copies
of "The Socialist Worker".
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"blah" <pinhead@xmission.com> spake the secret code
<beeoae$evb$1@terabinaries.xmission.com> thusly:

>I knew before I wrote this post that some of you would turn this into a
>debate. Why are you responding to this?

Why not? Its a public forum.

>Socialists *can* be open-minded. Communists *can* be very open-minded, as
>long as the commune is constructed for the people who want it.

I have no problem with people who voluntarily choose to practice
socialism or communism. The thing is, that when ordained as a
societal organizing principle in the form of a government, it has
never been voluntary but coerced. There has never been a government
that imposed socialism or communism voluntarily, it has always been
done at the business end of a gun pointing in your face if you don't
go along.

Early American settlements of the "west" (which at the time was more
like Ohio than Utah) consisted of many experimental communities who
were fleeing the imposed organizations of the eastern colonies.
Several of these were small scale communities that practiced forms of
socialism or anarchism. They met with varied amounts of success.
They usually began to fall apart when the community became large
enough that it was no longer a tight-knit community where every member
depended upon the others for survival. Once your neighbour across
town becomes a stranger, many systems depending on the better nature
of Man break down. The early mormons also practiced a form of
socialism through the Mercantile Exchange, whereby the community
produced goods for central distribution based on need, etc. As a
survival tactic in a small isolated community this isn't such a bad
idea. It would be totally preposterous if the Church proposed that
all modern day mormons live and work this way, however.

>[...] Why should they try to force their "paradise" onto others?
>They shouldn't, and I can't stand the hippies that preach lifestyle.

You'll get no disagreement from me there.

BTW, if you want to meet old lady socialists, just join the League of
Women Voters.
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"blah" <pinhead@xmission.com> wrote in message
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> How's the mormon-bashing going, piggy? Have you convinced all of the
> mormons that they're wrong and you're right? lol..

I'm not trying to convince them of anything. I *do* try to convince them
not to try to enforce their beliefs on *me*. If you open your mind and
re read you'll see that I've said that many times.

Sometimes to do that I point out the contradictions and hypocrisies.
Call it bashing if it makes you feel better.

Rich wrote:
> [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
>
> Raptor <me@attbi.com> spake the secret code
> <3F0A460B.9080501@attbi.com> thusly:
>
>
>>Rich wrote:
>>
>>>I thought open-minded and socialist were mutually contradictory points
>>>of view as well. Socialism is pretty much a world-wide failure, an
>>>open mind would evaluate that reality and incorporate it into a
>>>conclusion that socialism should be abandoned as an organizing
>>>principle for society.
>>
>>This would come as a big surprise to a number of European nations.
>
>
> Depends on which part of Europe you are talking about. If you're
> talking about Western Europe, then yes they haven't learned this
> lesson yet. If you're talking about Eastern Europe, they have
> definately learned the lesson.

Perhaps the US just hasn't learned that capitalism sucks, "yet."

>>>Socialists I've met are generally close-minded and only friendly to
>>>the extent that they want to confiscate my earnings and spend it on
>>>their pet projects.
>>
>>Yeah, we all know there are no friendly Swedes, or Danes, or Norwegians,
>>etc.
>
>
> Since the person wants to meet someone and is posting to utah.general
> the assumption is that they want to meet people in Utah. This implied
> qualification was in effect for my post.
>
> Also, many people who don't self-identify themselves as socialist do
> in fact support socialist governmental policies and I'm not talking
> about those people either. People who self-identify as socialists are
> not friends of freedom. Just talk to any of the ranters and ravers
> outside the Olpin Union on the U.'s campus who are handing out copies
> of "The Socialist Worker".

Alright. A properly-limited stereotype does work.

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our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security."
--Microsoft VP in charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]

Raptor <me@attbi.com> spake the secret code
<3F0B01AF.6050309@attbi.com> thusly:

>Perhaps the US just hasn't learned that capitalism sucks, "yet."

Of course captialism sucks. There is no perfect system.

Capitalism just sucks less than socialism, which in turn sucks less
than communism.
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"pigo" <pigopowderNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "blah" <pinhead@xmission.com> wrote in message
> news:beeoga$f0b$1@terabinaries.xmission.com...
>
> > How's the mormon-bashing going, piggy? Have you convinced all of the
> > mormons that they're wrong and you're right? lol..
>
> I'm not trying to convince them of anything. I *do* try to convince them
> not to try to enforce their beliefs on *me*. If you open your mind and
> re read you'll see that I've said that many times.
>
> Sometimes to do that I point out the contradictions and hypocrisies.
> Call it bashing if it makes you feel better.

How many times do you get solicited by Mormons? In the last 10 years, I've
had two different sets of missionaries knock on my door. One time I didn't
answer it, and the other time I simply told them that I wasn't Christian. I
didn't let it ruin my day (or life) either.

Are you really being "attacked" by the Mormons, or are you simply creating
drama because you're bored with life? Personally, I despise the LDS
community. I can't wait to move away from this state and country. However,
while I'm here I try to make the most of things--they make for an
interesting behavioral science project, at least.

You might say that Mormons influence your life because of their ridiculous
liquor laws. Big deal. That's in their rights as a state. Sure, there
should be separation from religion and state, but that's never going to
happen. No matter where you go you're going to have some
tight-ass-christian-conservative telling us how we ought to live our lives.

Anyway, it's obviously your choice to stay pissed off at your community
rather than simply moving. Have fun.

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blah	Fnord! Hello, I'm curious if there's any Hippies/spiritual people in the area that might want to get together for wonderful and open-minded conversation. Feel free to e-mail me directly. (pinhead@xmission.com) Thanks!

	#2
Rich	Re: Fnord! [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup] "blah" <pinhead@xmission.com> spake the secret code <becj7c$ij$1@terabinaries.xmission.com> thusly: >I'm curious if there's any Hippies/spiritual people [...] Are these supposed to be synonyms? I thought hippie was a synonym for socialist. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> Pilgrimage: Utah's first annual demoparty on August 9th, 2003 <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>

	#3
blah	Re: Fnord! "Rich" <legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com> wrote in message news:beco8v$1lh$1@terabinaries.xmission.com... > [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup] > > "blah" <pinhead@xmission.com> spake the secret code > <becj7c$ij$1@terabinaries.xmission.com> thusly: > > >I'm curious if there's any Hippies/spiritual people [...] > > Are these supposed to be synonyms? > > I thought hippie was a synonym for socialist. Yes, they're synonyms to me. I realize that not all hippies/socialists will have a spiritual nature, and that's okay. I'm simply looking for open-minded/friendly people to talk with.

	#5
pigo	Re: Fnord! "Rich" <legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com> wrote in message news:beco8v$1lh$1@terabinaries.xmission.com... > [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup] > > "blah" <pinhead@xmission.com> spake the secret code > <becj7c$ij$1@terabinaries.xmission.com> thusly: > > >I'm curious if there's any Hippies/spiritual people [...] > > Are these supposed to be synonyms? > > I thought hippie was a synonym for socialist. I know some socialist that are still hygienic.

	#7
Raptor	Re: Fnord! Rich wrote: > I thought open-minded and socialist were mutually contradictory points > of view as well. Socialism is pretty much a world-wide failure, an > open mind would evaluate that reality and incorporate it into a > conclusion that socialism should be abandoned as an organizing > principle for society. This would come as a big surprise to a number of European nations. > Socialists I've met are generally close-minded and only friendly to > the extent that they want to confiscate my earnings and spend it on > their pet projects. Yeah, we all know there are no friendly Swedes, or Danes, or Norwegians, etc. (I really don't keep track of who's socialist and who isn't.) -- -- Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall "I'm not proud. We really haven't done everything we could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP in charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

	#9
blah	Re: Fnord! "pigo" <pigopowderNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:BoKcndgIDfNvlpeiXTWJiA@comcast.com... > > "Rich" <legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com> wrote in message > news:becsi9$2i3$1@terabinaries.xmission.com... > > > If I'm not a hippie, I'm not open-minded and friendly? > > > > I thought open-minded and socialist were mutually contradictory points > > of view as well. Socialism is pretty much a world-wide failure, an > > open mind would evaluate that reality and incorporate it into a > > conclusion that socialism should be abandoned as an organizing > > principle for society. > > > > Socialists I've met are generally close-minded and only friendly to > > the extent that they want to confiscate my earnings and spend it on > > their pet projects. > > This scenario looks like one of those "you're open minded as long as you > agree with me" ones. > > We're all generally friendly here. But he might not get everyone to > agree with him. How's the mormon-bashing going, piggy? Have you convinced all of the mormons that they're wrong and you're right? lol..

	#12
pigo	Re: Fnord! "blah" <pinhead@xmission.com> wrote in message news:beeoga$f0b$1@terabinaries.xmission.com... > How's the mormon-bashing going, piggy? Have you convinced all of the > mormons that they're wrong and you're right? lol.. I'm not trying to convince them of anything. I do try to convince them not to try to enforce their beliefs on me. If you open your mind and re read you'll see that I've said that many times. Sometimes to do that I point out the contradictions and hypocrisies. Call it bashing if it makes you feel better.

	#13
Raptor	Re: Fnord! Rich wrote: > [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup] > > Raptor <me@attbi.com> spake the secret code > <3F0A460B.9080501@attbi.com> thusly: > > >>Rich wrote: >> >>>I thought open-minded and socialist were mutually contradictory points >>>of view as well. Socialism is pretty much a world-wide failure, an >>>open mind would evaluate that reality and incorporate it into a >>>conclusion that socialism should be abandoned as an organizing >>>principle for society. >> >>This would come as a big surprise to a number of European nations. > > > Depends on which part of Europe you are talking about. If you're > talking about Western Europe, then yes they haven't learned this > lesson yet. If you're talking about Eastern Europe, they have > definately learned the lesson. Perhaps the US just hasn't learned that capitalism sucks, "yet." >>>Socialists I've met are generally close-minded and only friendly to >>>the extent that they want to confiscate my earnings and spend it on >>>their pet projects. >> >>Yeah, we all know there are no friendly Swedes, or Danes, or Norwegians, >>etc. > > > Since the person wants to meet someone and is posting to utah.general > the assumption is that they want to meet people in Utah. This implied > qualification was in effect for my post. > > Also, many people who don't self-identify themselves as socialist do > in fact support socialist governmental policies and I'm not talking > about those people either. People who self-identify as socialists are > not friends of freedom. Just talk to any of the ranters and ravers > outside the Olpin Union on the U.'s campus who are handing out copies > of "The Socialist Worker". Alright. A properly-limited stereotype does work. -- -- Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall "I'm not proud. We really haven't done everything we could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP in charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.