John Horne

Hi Guys,

Be aware that if you wish to stand for BPA Council 2007, your
nomination has to be with the BPA office by 23 Oct.

Please give it some thought, the BPA Council needs some young blood and
new ideas. So put your name forward and make a difference. Unless at
least 15 people are nominated then there won't be an election, and it
will simply be a question of "those who want to be on Council, step
this way...". Don't let that happen, ensure that there is a democratic
vote.

On the same subject, even if you don't put your name forward, please
make sure that if there is an election, you vote for the
candidate/candidates you wish to be on Council.

Only 600 voted last year, that is out of a hard core membership of
5000.
So come on people make it happen.

JH

Jim White

John Horne wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> Be aware that if you wish to stand for BPA Council 2007, your
> nomination has to be with the BPA office by 23 Oct.
>
> Please give it some thought, the BPA Council needs some young blood and
> new ideas. So put your name forward and make a difference. Unless at
> least 15 people are nominated then there won't be an election, and it
> will simply be a question of "those who want to be on Council, step
> this way...". Don't let that happen, ensure that there is a democratic
> vote.
>
> On the same subject, even if you don't put your name forward, please
> make sure that if there is an election, you vote for the
> candidate/candidates you wish to be on Council.
>
> Only 600 voted last year, that is out of a hard core membership of
> 5000.
> So come on people make it happen.
>
> JH

Hi John

Thanks for pointing that out. I was hard pushed to find any reference
to the nominations in the mag (which arrived today) Its on page 55 by
the way.

Is it me or has the dead line for the return of the forms been brought
forward this year and didnt there used to be a form in the mag.

Jim

grumpyskydiver@hotmail.com

John Horne wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> Be aware that if you wish to stand for BPA Council 2007, your
> nomination has to be with the BPA office by 23 Oct.
>
> Please give it some thought, the BPA Council needs some young blood and
> new ideas. So put your name forward and make a difference. Unless at
> least 15 people are nominated then there won't be an election, and it
> will simply be a question of "those who want to be on Council, step
> this way...". Don't let that happen, ensure that there is a democratic
> vote.
>
> On the same subject, even if you don't put your name forward, please
> make sure that if there is an election, you vote for the
> candidate/candidates you wish to be on Council.
>
> Only 600 voted last year, that is out of a hard core membership of
> 5000.
> So come on people make it happen.
>
> JH

Yes John, lets have some new blood in Council for 2007

We have some Council members who seem to have been there for years, do
nothing and get the glory for the work of ours. Its time for them to
go.

Remember BPA members that when voting you don't have to vote for 15
Council members, just vote for the one's you know and trust and say NO
to the rest.

Read the write-up on each Nominee, is this member trust worthy, is
he/she just in it for political gain and glory. Question fellow
skydivers.

I know of one Council member who has not jumped in nearly 3 years, has
no vested intrest in the sport and has only visted 1 UK DZ in 2006 and
that was for the evening start of the Nationals. Does he deserve to
still be on Council. He won't get my vote.

REMEMBER TO VOTE!!!!

Blue skies

GrumpySkydiver.

falling janice

Well after the fiasco with the STC and the forign medical , I wont be
voting for mr brady and his side kick mr jones , the best thing to do
is to vote these scottish guys off.

the council needs guys that are honest and have the time and as grumpy
says are not in it for there own glory

Remember every body who gets a vote , the other candidate will need 3
to beat them ,

The best thing to do is to get your mates together and vote as a group,
dont give anybody your signed card to post for you as they can alter
the vote.

I personally think that the vote should also be a electronic one as
perhaps this would encourage people to then do it when they are surfing
the web.

Vote them out of the council as these guys are killing the sport

love and kisses janice xx


grumpyskydiver@hotmail.com wrote:

> John Horne wrote:
>
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > Be aware that if you wish to stand for BPA Council 2007, your
> > nomination has to be with the BPA office by 23 Oct.
> >
> > Please give it some thought, the BPA Council needs some young blood and
> > new ideas. So put your name forward and make a difference. Unless at
> > least 15 people are nominated then there won't be an election, and it
> > will simply be a question of "those who want to be on Council, step
> > this way...". Don't let that happen, ensure that there is a democratic
> > vote.
> >
> > On the same subject, even if you don't put your name forward, please
> > make sure that if there is an election, you vote for the
> > candidate/candidates you wish to be on Council.
> >
> > Only 600 voted last year, that is out of a hard core membership of
> > 5000.
> > So come on people make it happen.
> >
> > JH
>
> Yes John, lets have some new blood in Council for 2007
>
> We have some Council members who seem to have been there for years, do
> nothing and get the glory for the work of ours. Its time for them to
> go.
>
> Remember BPA members that when voting you don't have to vote for 15
> Council members, just vote for the one's you know and trust and say NO
> to the rest.
>
> Read the write-up on each Nominee, is this member trust worthy, is
> he/she just in it for political gain and glory. Question fellow
> skydivers.
>
> I know of one Council member who has not jumped in nearly 3 years, has
> no vested intrest in the sport and has only visted 1 UK DZ in 2006 and
> that was for the evening start of the Nationals. Does he deserve to
> still be on Council. He won't get my vote.
>
> REMEMBER TO VOTE!!!!
>
> Blue skies
>
> GrumpySkydiver.

grumpyskydiver@hotmail.com

First I would like to thank Falling Janice for bring to the notice of
the membership the fiasco with the STC and the forign medical, there is
far to much that goes on behind the members backs within council and
it's committees that we just don't get to hear about.

Now, BPA Council 2007. Who are the adjudicators for the vote? I would
like to think that it's no one with a vested interest and that no
present council member is present when the counting takes place. But
then again, there are council members who don't have a vested intrest
in our sport other then political gain and glory and may feel they need
to be there.

Now some of you may be asking, 'Who are these people?'. Well you just
have to read the any BPA minutes to find them singing there own praises
with 'privilege to have been apart of' and 'proud to be with' without
doing anything apart from getting a free holiday at the BPA members
expence.

REMEMBER TO VOTE!!!!

Blue skies


GrumpySkydiver.



falling janice wrote:
> Well after the fiasco with the STC and the forign medical , I wont be
> voting for mr brady and his side kick mr jones , the best thing to do
> is to vote these scottish guys off.
>
> the council needs guys that are honest and have the time and as grumpy
> says are not in it for there own glory
>
> Remember every body who gets a vote , the other candidate will need 3
> to beat them ,
>
> The best thing to do is to get your mates together and vote as a group,
> dont give anybody your signed card to post for you as they can alter
> the vote.
>
> I personally think that the vote should also be a electronic one as
> perhaps this would encourage people to then do it when they are surfing
> the web.
>
> Vote them out of the council as these guys are killing the sport
>
> love and kisses janice xx
>
>
> grumpyskydiver@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > John Horne wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Guys,
> > >
> > > Be aware that if you wish to stand for BPA Council 2007, your
> > > nomination has to be with the BPA office by 23 Oct.
> > >
> > > Please give it some thought, the BPA Council needs some young blood and
> > > new ideas. So put your name forward and make a difference. Unless at
> > > least 15 people are nominated then there won't be an election, and it
> > > will simply be a question of "those who want to be on Council, step
> > > this way...". Don't let that happen, ensure that there is a democratic
> > > vote.
> > >
> > > On the same subject, even if you don't put your name forward, please
> > > make sure that if there is an election, you vote for the
> > > candidate/candidates you wish to be on Council.
> > >
> > > Only 600 voted last year, that is out of a hard core membership of
> > > 5000.
> > > So come on people make it happen.
> > >
> > > JH
> >
> > Yes John, lets have some new blood in Council for 2007
> >
> > We have some Council members who seem to have been there for years, do
> > nothing and get the glory for the work of ours. Its time for them to
> > go.
> >
> > Remember BPA members that when voting you don't have to vote for 15
> > Council members, just vote for the one's you know and trust and say NO
> > to the rest.
> >
> > Read the write-up on each Nominee, is this member trust worthy, is
> > he/she just in it for political gain and glory. Question fellow
> > skydivers.
> >
> > I know of one Council member who has not jumped in nearly 3 years, has
> > no vested intrest in the sport and has only visted 1 UK DZ in 2006 and
> > that was for the evening start of the Nationals. Does he deserve to
> > still be on Council. He won't get my vote.
> >
> > REMEMBER TO VOTE!!!!
> >
> > Blue skies
> >
> > GrumpySkydiver.

Jim White

grumpyskydiver@hotmail.com wrote:

> Now, BPA Council 2007. Who are the adjudicators for the vote? I would
> like to think that it's no one with a vested interest and that no
> present council member is present when the counting takes place. But
> then again, there are council members who don't have a vested intrest
> in our sport other then political gain and glory and may feel they need
> to be there.


Well Im sure that the adjudicators dont work in the Leicester and Im
sure that they dont have a vested interest. Im also sure that they dont
send out extra voting cards on request.

Then again I could be wrong.

Jim

grumpyskydiver@hotmail.com

Well Jim, by saying 'I'm sure' your really saying that you don't know
and that you haven't a clue.


Jim White wrote:
> grumpyskydiver@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > Now, BPA Council 2007. Who are the adjudicators for the vote? I would
> > like to think that it's no one with a vested interest and that no
> > present council member is present when the counting takes place. But
> > then again, there are council members who don't have a vested intrest
> > in our sport other then political gain and glory and may feel they need
> > to be there.
>
>
> Well Im sure that the adjudicators dont work in the Leicester and Im
> sure that they dont have a vested interest. Im also sure that they dont
> send out extra voting cards on request.
>
> Then again I could be wrong.
>
> Jim

Paul Moore

Actually.......I think Jim was being sarcastic. I got it Jim. :-)

Paul (with no vested interest & not looking for praise)

<grumpyskydiver@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161008859.181181.309580@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Well Jim, by saying 'I'm sure' your really saying that you don't know
> and that you haven't a clue.
>
>
> Jim White wrote:
>> grumpyskydiver@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > Now, BPA Council 2007. Who are the adjudicators for the vote? I would
>> > like to think that it's no one with a vested interest and that no
>> > present council member is present when the counting takes place. But
>> > then again, there are council members who don't have a vested intrest
>> > in our sport other then political gain and glory and may feel they need
>> > to be there.
>>
>>
>> Well Im sure that the adjudicators dont work in the Leicester and Im
>> sure that they dont have a vested interest. Im also sure that they dont
>> send out extra voting cards on request.
>>
>> Then again I could be wrong.
>>
>> Jim
>

Jim White

> ps. Jim - I appreciate your humour, but think it might be mis-placed in
> this thread as there are many readers of this N/G who will not know
> your character & thus not get the sarcastic comments

Sorry Charles


> Paul Moore wrote:
> > Actually.......I think Jim was being sarcastic. I got it Jim. :-)


Cheers Paul spot on
;-)

Jim

Andy Scott

Hi all,

at the council meet last week Lesley was asked to make up an easy
pitfall guide - a bit billy &bobby to make sure the usual mistakes
could be highlighted. Hopefully that will help reduce spoiled papers
and encourage more people to vote and maybe win the free years
membership on offer.

Also - we ran through the process of vote counting at the meet and its
a bit long winded but transparent and available and neutral too

there is less need to worry about this than you think peeps - just ask
the voting ledger is available to be reviewed ( its a booking style
A3 ledger )

we also asked to look forward to electronic methods for the future -
the last survey showed nearly all members have e-access and those who
dont coulds still be catered for the old fashioned way no bother

ideas from techies welcome - cheap and easy makes it happen faster guys
-

Jim White

> Also - we ran through the process of vote counting at the meet and its
> a bit long winded but transparent and available and neutral too


Ah good, so does that mean it will conducted out side of the BPA by a
neutral party who are not members and have no connections with any
member. That way no one can say, have access to the count or have
extra cards sent out etc. Im not saying they do or have done it just
means they cannot be accused of doing so.

Oops theres me being sarcastic again.

Then again you did say the vote counting was available. Too whom ???


Jim

Andy Scott

validation etc is done by a non BPA person and anyone can check on the
process involved / see the ledger - just ask, thats all

i would be sure there are key staff people who could be rightly
offended by your intimations Jim - and to be honest they are of sound
character - i think you should understand more - call Martin if you
have questions- -its easy peasy

Jim White

Andy Scott wrote:
> validation etc is done by a non BPA person and anyone can check on the
> process involved / see the ledger - just ask, thats all
>
> i would be sure there are key staff people who could be rightly
> offended by your intimations Jim - and to be honest they are of sound
> character - i think you should understand more - call Martin if you
> have questions- -its easy peasy

Ah the standard answer. Almost word for word the same as the chairman
wrote to me a couple of years ago when I asked him why it was not done
by an outside agency.

Who is this non BPA person. I take it then they are being sent
elsewhere this year for counting.

For fair and open election to take place and to stop any suggestion of
foul play. The voting system must be taken out of the BPAs hands
completely and given to a agency that deals with this sort of thing. I
believe an agency has done this in the past.

Jim

luugnutes

On 25 Oct 2006 10:52:16 -0700, "Jim White" <jcwhite526@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> > validation etc is done by a non BPA person and anyone can check on the
> > process involved / see the ledger - just ask, thats all
> >
> > i would be sure there are key staff people who could be rightly
> > offended by your intimations Jim - ...
>
> Ah the standard answer. Almost word for word the same as the chairman
> wrote to me a couple of years ago when I asked him why it was not done
> by an outside agency.
>
> Who is this non BPA person. I take it then they are being sent
> elsewhere this year for counting.

Of course they are, after the BPA gets the chance to decide which
ballots will be sent away for counting.

Nigel Holland

All The nominations are now on the BPA Website,
There were 20 in total:

Paul 'Apples' Applegate
Adrian Bond
Sandy Barnett
Kieran Brady
Robin Durie
Ralph Fielding
John Horne
David Ibbotson
Eddie Jones
Paul Ledden
Ian Marshall
Mark Maynard
Paul Moore
John 'Geordie' Page
Grant Richards
Mike Rust
John Smyth
Elizabeth 'Weed' Stoodley
Elizabeth Warner
Alex Wilson.

Andy Scott

Hi Jim,

to add to that last reply, Martin produced a cost based comparison of
insource vs outsource options at the last meeting. The cost to get an
external count was in the region of thousands of pounds. The council
felt this was unwarranted because, as Charles said, any member can have
access to the system to satisfy their questions. As to which ballotts
to count, that kind of is answered by the not knowing how it works in
the first place comment ( how do you know what to filter when you dont
get to filter it ? )

Speak to the office team who i am sure you all know are open, honest
and friendly - and deserve support !

Andy

Jim White

charles wrote:

> Your requests do make sense in a perfect world, but would be applicable
> if there was suspicion of fraud.

Thank you and Im not accussing anyone, in the office. I was trying to
point that the way the system appears now, is that it is open to wrong
doing and having an outside agency do it will stop this.

Sorry if my use of sarcasim is going over your head but it is not aimed
at the office staff. But rather at others who would abuse the staff

> My recommendation is to front up if you think that there is a problem
> with the current arrangements & they will be changed in the future.

I have done in the past and the chairman accussed me of not trusting
the staff. Much as you and Andy are doing now

> Even if you do not like John or Tony, they do not have anything to do with the
> process

Why bring them into it ? Ive never mentioned them. Ive never thought of
them having anything to do with the voting system

> the last thing a stable organisation needs is to be upset

Once again Im not trying to upset the office staff and I have not
accessed them of wrong doing. I wish you and Andy would stop getting
you knickers in a twist.

Im trying to point out that the way the system appears to many of the
membership, is that it is open obuse. Take it away from the BPA and
the membership might be happier.

If its a cost thing, then fine. Thankyou for telling me. But tell the
membership the details of how the voting system is conducted to alley
any misconceptions.

>(unless you do not count recruiting new members an expendable cost!)

Sorry ? Thats my job.

Regards
Jim