Reuben

In case anyone is interested, we have recently started to sell a USB
download cable suitable for the Suunto Vyper dive computer. It is very
compact and easy to install. Take a look here:

http://www.customidea.com/hr-usbdive1.php

Cheers,

Reuben
www.customidea.com

Euge

Looks interesting, has anyone out there used them yet? Do they work?
Euge
"Reuben" <orders@customidea.com> wrote in message
news:1123849694.777240.201540@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> In case anyone is interested, we have recently started to sell a USB
> download cable suitable for the Suunto Vyper dive computer. It is very
> compact and easy to install. Take a look here:
>
> http://www.customidea.com/hr-usbdive1.php
>
> Cheers,
>
> Reuben
> www.customidea.com
>

Ken

"Reuben" <orders@customidea.com> wrote in message
news:1123849694.777240.201540@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> In case anyone is interested, we have recently started to sell a USB
> download cable suitable for the Suunto Vyper dive computer. It is very
> compact and easy to install. Take a look here:
>
> http://www.customidea.com/hr-usbdive1.php
>
> Cheers,
>
> Reuben

Does this work for v2 of the software (the only version IIANM which works
with the D9) or can earlier versions (e.g. v1.6) be used with it is well?
These earlier versions required the use of the "Suunto interface" in order
to connect the Vyper or whatever to the PC via a 9-pin D-shell COM port.
Presumably no interfacting hardware is required with this?

Ken

Reuben

Euge: Of course I would say that they work! I have used them a lot.
However if you do buy it and there is a problem just let us know within
7 days and you can return it (in original condition) for a refund
(minus postage costs).

Ken: the version of software I have tested it with is version 1.6. The
same goes again - if you have any problems just let us know and if its
no good you get 7 days to get a refund (minus postage) if you send it
back in original condition.

Cheers,

Reuben

Ken

"Reuben" <orders@customidea.com> wrote in message
news:1123873185.414151.182450@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Euge: Of course I would say that they work! I have used them a lot.
> However if you do buy it and there is a problem just let us know within
> 7 days and you can return it (in original condition) for a refund
> (minus postage costs).
>
> Ken: the version of software I have tested it with is version 1.6. The
> same goes again - if you have any problems just let us know and if its
> no good you get 7 days to get a refund (minus postage) if you send it
> back in original condition.

This would certainly make it useful for laptop users, as laptops are now
almost universally without traditional 9-pin COM ports. How does Suunto view
this product? Prior to such a cable they would make the software freely
downloadable from their website, secure in the knowledge that the user also
needed a hardware interface between the PC and the dive computer. Many
divers made their own, but for every home-made interface there must have
been dozens sold by Suunto.

With this cable, cheaper than the Suunto hardware, might they start
restricting downloads?

Ken

David Mahon

In article <ddivia$jul$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, Ken
<ken@k1at.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>
>"Reuben" <orders@customidea.com> wrote in message
>news:1123873185.414151.182450@g49g2000cwa.googleg roups.com...
>> Euge: Of course I would say that they work! I have used them a lot.
>> However if you do buy it and there is a problem just let us know within
>> 7 days and you can return it (in original condition) for a refund
>> (minus postage costs).
>>
>> Ken: the version of software I have tested it with is version 1.6. The
>> same goes again - if you have any problems just let us know and if its
>> no good you get 7 days to get a refund (minus postage) if you send it
>> back in original condition.
>
>This would certainly make it useful for laptop users, as laptops are now
>almost universally without traditional 9-pin COM ports. How does Suunto view
>this product? Prior to such a cable they would make the software freely
>downloadable from their website, secure in the knowledge that the user also
>needed a hardware interface between the PC and the dive computer. Many
>divers made their own, but for every home-made interface there must have
>been dozens sold by Suunto.
>
>With this cable, cheaper than the Suunto hardware, might they start
>restricting downloads?

Now it's out there, it'll always be out there. The worst Suunto could do
would be to require some kind of validation code in newer versions of
the software.

I'm sure that there will sill be plenty more of the Suunto versions sold
worldwide, now that they make a USB version too and sell it through the
major retailers (about 55 quid).

--
David Mahon

Adam Helberg

"Reuben" <orders@customidea.com> wrote in message
news:1123849694.777240.201540@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> In case anyone is interested, we have recently started to sell a USB
> download cable suitable for the Suunto Vyper dive computer. It is very
> compact and easy to install. Take a look here:
>
> http://www.customidea.com/hr-usbdive1.php
>
> Cheers,
>
> Reuben
> www.customidea.com
>

Is this not just a USB to serial port converter, which is widely available?

Reuben

No adam it is not. Perhaps you are looking at one of our other products
(a usb to uart converter, the hr-usbuart). Try:

http://www.customidea.com/hr-usbdive1.php

Reuben

Adam Helberg wrote:
> "Reuben" <orders@customidea.com> wrote in message
> news:1123849694.777240.201540@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > In case anyone is interested, we have recently started to sell a USB
> > download cable suitable for the Suunto Vyper dive computer. It is very
> > compact and easy to install. Take a look here:
> >
> > http://www.customidea.com/hr-usbdive1.php
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Reuben
> > www.customidea.com
> >
>
> Is this not just a USB to serial port converter, which is widely available?

Adam Helberg

"Reuben" <orders@customidea.com> wrote in message
news:1124038214.059228.276150@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> No adam it is not. Perhaps you are looking at one of our other products
> (a usb to uart converter, the hr-usbuart). Try:
>
> http://www.customidea.com/hr-usbdive1.php
>
> Reuben

Does it transmit data at serial port speed or USB speed?

Adam

Reuben

I am not exactly sure what you are asking here - the cable connects to
the PC USB port and it transfers data over the USB bus. You cannot put
serial speed comms over USB. USB and RS232 protocols are very
different. This is why you need a bridge which converts the RS232 type
protocol into a USB protocol.

Adam Helberg wrote:
> "Reuben" <orders@customidea.com> wrote in message
> news:1124038214.059228.276150@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > No adam it is not. Perhaps you are looking at one of our other products
> > (a usb to uart converter, the hr-usbuart). Try:
> >
> > http://www.customidea.com/hr-usbdive1.php
> >
> > Reuben
>
> Does it transmit data at serial port speed or USB speed?
>
> Adam

Adam Helberg

"Reuben" <orders@customidea.com> wrote in message
news:1124059322.829305.89670@g14g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>I am not exactly sure what you are asking here - the cable connects to
> the PC USB port and it transfers data over the USB bus. You cannot put
> serial speed comms over USB. USB and RS232 protocols are very
> different. This is why you need a bridge which converts the RS232 type
> protocol into a USB protocol.
>
> Adam Helberg wrote:
>> "Reuben" <orders@customidea.com> wrote in message
>> news:1124038214.059228.276150@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> > No adam it is not. Perhaps you are looking at one of our other products
>> > (a usb to uart converter, the hr-usbuart). Try:
>> >
>> > http://www.customidea.com/hr-usbdive1.php
>> >
>> > Reuben
>>
>> Does it transmit data at serial port speed or USB speed?
>>
>> Adam

The old serial port can transfer data up to 115 Kbits/second, while USB2 can transfer
up to 480 Mbits/second. There are converter cables such
http://www.wcscnet.com/catalog/usb_t...er_1854881.htm

that will plug into the USB port and emulate a serial port, but you're still limited
to roughly serial port speeds.

So if your cable is a true USB connector, and not a converter cable, it should
transfer at USB rates. That's why I asked the question. I suspect your cable is a USB
to serial converter like the one I listed above, with the Suunto connector plug at
the end, and the software is still seeing a serial port?

Adam

Reuben

This is besides the point really, since the data rate is set as the
speed of the channel opened by the Dive Manager software. Furthermore,
an essential feature of the product that it *must* emulate a serial
port (I'll let you figure out why!).

Since you are interested, the UART bridge on this device can work up to
921600baud, not 115200baud. Are you familiar with the dive computer
interface? It would indeed be more trivial if the dive computer had
lines for TX/RX and Gnd, which as you propose would allow direct
connection to the device UART. Unfortunately this is not the case.

Adam Helberg wrote:
> "Reuben" <orders@customidea.com> wrote in message
> news:1124059322.829305.89670@g14g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> >I am not exactly sure what you are asking here - the cable connects to
> > the PC USB port and it transfers data over the USB bus. You cannot put
> > serial speed comms over USB. USB and RS232 protocols are very
> > different. This is why you need a bridge which converts the RS232 type
> > protocol into a USB protocol.
> >
> > Adam Helberg wrote:
> >> "Reuben" <orders@customidea.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1124038214.059228.276150@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >> > No adam it is not. Perhaps you are looking at one of our other products
> >> > (a usb to uart converter, the hr-usbuart). Try:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.customidea.com/hr-usbdive1.php
> >> >
> >> > Reuben
> >>
> >> Does it transmit data at serial port speed or USB speed?
> >>
> >> Adam
>
> The old serial port can transfer data up to 115 Kbits/second, while USB2 can transfer
> up to 480 Mbits/second. There are converter cables such
> http://www.wcscnet.com/catalog/usb_t...er_1854881.htm
>
> that will plug into the USB port and emulate a serial port, but you're still limited
> to roughly serial port speeds.
>
> So if your cable is a true USB connector, and not a converter cable, it should
> transfer at USB rates. That's why I asked the question. I suspect your cable is a USB
> to serial converter like the one I listed above, with the Suunto connector plug at
> the end, and the software is still seeing a serial port?
>
> Adam

Adam Helberg

"Reuben" <orders@customidea.com> wrote in message
news:1124092699.876673.82320@g44g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> This is besides the point really, since the data rate is set as the
> speed of the channel opened by the Dive Manager software. Furthermore,
> an essential feature of the product that it *must* emulate a serial
> port (I'll let you figure out why!).
>
> Since you are interested, the UART bridge on this device can work up to
> 921600baud, not 115200baud. Are you familiar with the dive computer
> interface? It would indeed be more trivial if the dive computer had
> lines for TX/RX and Gnd, which as you propose would allow direct
> connection to the device UART. Unfortunately this is not the case.

I have the Suunto software with the serial port cable for my Vyper and I'm surprised
that Suunto still has not changed over to the USB port.

Adam

=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Reinke?=

Reuben wrote:
> I am not exactly sure what you are asking here - the cable connects to
> the PC USB port and it transfers data over the USB bus. You cannot put
> serial speed comms over USB. USB and RS232 protocols are very
> different. This is why you need a bridge which converts the RS232 type
> protocol into a USB protocol.

But it is still at COM speed, because the dive computer is made for 4800
Baud, putting a COM->USB interface in between will not speed up the
transfer. Only makin it possible to use it on a computer without a COM port.

--
Best regards
C.T.O. Søren Reinke
www.Xray-Mag.com Your free online dive magazine
Download it in PDF, just like a real magazine

David Mahon

"Adam Helberg" <sendspamhere@yahee.com> wrote:

>I have the Suunto software with the serial port cable for my Vyper and I'm
surprised
>
>that Suunto still has not changed over to the USB port.

They have. Suunto have been selling a USB cable for at least 3 months now.

--
David Mahon
Reply to nospam@amigo.co.uk

Ken

"Søren Reinke" <soren@REMOVE.reinke.dk> wrote in message
news:4300c381$0$67259$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity. dk...
Reuben wrote:
> I am not exactly sure what you are asking here - the cable connects to
> the PC USB port and it transfers data over the USB bus. You cannot put
> serial speed comms over USB. USB and RS232 protocols are very
> different. This is why you need a bridge which converts the RS232 type
> protocol into a USB protocol.

But it is still at COM speed, because the dive computer is made for 4800
Baud, putting a COM->USB interface in between will not speed up the
transfer. Only makin it possible to use it on a computer without a COM port.

But that's hardly a problem really? Not a lot of data to move each time, and
you don't need to move it across that often that a few seconds is too long
to wait.

Ken

Adam Helberg

"David Mahon" <news@amigo.co.uk> wrote in message news:4300d443$1@news.amigo.co.uk...
>
> "Adam Helberg" <sendspamhere@yahee.com> wrote:
>
>>I have the Suunto software with the serial port cable for my Vyper and I'm
> surprised
>>
>>that Suunto still has not changed over to the USB port.
>
> They have. Suunto have been selling a USB cable for at least 3 months now.
>
> --
> David Mahon
> Reply to nospam@amigo.co.uk

According to the Help in Dive Manager 2.1.3 only the D9 uses USB. All others use
serial port

Connect the PC interface cable to the USB or serial port of your computer. D9 uses
the USB port, all other models the serial port

Adam

=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Reinke?=

Ken wrote:
> "Søren Reinke" <soren@REMOVE.reinke.dk> wrote in message
> news:4300c381$0$67259$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity. dk...
> Reuben wrote:
>
>>I am not exactly sure what you are asking here - the cable connects to
>>the PC USB port and it transfers data over the USB bus. You cannot put
>>serial speed comms over USB. USB and RS232 protocols are very
>>different. This is why you need a bridge which converts the RS232 type
>>protocol into a USB protocol.
>
>
> But it is still at COM speed, because the dive computer is made for 4800
> Baud, putting a COM->USB interface in between will not speed up the
> transfer. Only makin it possible to use it on a computer without a COM port.

Sounds familar, oh wait that the text i wrote not you :-) (please indent
other peoples text when replying)

>
> But that's hardly a problem really? Not a lot of data to move each time, and
> you don't need to move it across that often that a few seconds is too long
> to wait.

What ?

Sorry it actually uses: 2400 8O1 protocol, which mean you get about 240
bytes transfered every second.

On a 45 minute dive, sample rate 20 second, you need to transfer 900
pairs of sampled data, each 1 byte big. that means for just the sampled
data for 1 single dive you need to wait about 4 seconds.

The suunto divemanager reads all the stored dives each time you download
the data, in my suunto vytec that means it takes a few minutes to
download the data each time.

So not just less than a few seconds as you suggest.

It would be nice, but not really a big deal, a suunto has enough memory
to store more than 1 week of liveaboard dives (4 dives a day of 45 min each)


--
Best regards
C.T.O. Søren Reinke
www.Xray-Mag.com Your free online dive magazine
Download it in PDF, just like a real magazine

David Mahon

In article <On8Me.5612$Wi6.1609@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink. net>, Adam
Helberg <sendspamhere@yahee.com> writes

>>>I have the Suunto software with the serial port cable for my Vyper and I'm
>> surprised
>>>
>>>that Suunto still has not changed over to the USB port.
>>
>> They have. Suunto have been selling a USB cable for at least 3 months now.
>
>According to the Help in Dive Manager 2.1.3 only the D9 uses USB. All
>others use
>serial port

Read the bottom right hand corner of:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?X455240AB

(redirects to Suunto site with extremely long URL)

And yes, you can find it for sale in the UK, for 55 - 70 pounds
depending on where you look.

--
David Mahon

Ken

"Søren Reinke" <soren@REMOVE.reinke.dk> wrote in message
news:430173fb$0$67259$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity. dk...
Ken wrote:
> "Søren Reinke" <soren@REMOVE.reinke.dk> wrote in message
> news:4300c381$0$67259$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity. dk...
> Reuben wrote:
>
>>I am not exactly sure what you are asking here - the cable connects to
>>the PC USB port and it transfers data over the USB bus. You cannot put
>>serial speed comms over USB. USB and RS232 protocols are very
>>different. This is why you need a bridge which converts the RS232 type
>>protocol into a USB protocol.
>
>
> But it is still at COM speed, because the dive computer is made for 4800
> Baud, putting a COM->USB interface in between will not speed up the
> transfer. Only makin it possible to use it on a computer without a COM
> port.

Sounds familar, oh wait that the text i wrote not you :-) (please indent
other peoples text when replying)

>
> But that's hardly a problem really? Not a lot of data to move each time,
> and you don't need to move it across that often that a few seconds is too
> long to wait.

What ?

Sorry it actually uses: 2400 8O1 protocol, which mean you get about 240
bytes transfered every second.

On a 45 minute dive, sample rate 20 second, you need to transfer 900
pairs of sampled data, each 1 byte big. that means for just the sampled
data for 1 single dive you need to wait about 4 seconds.

The suunto divemanager reads all the stored dives each time you download
the data, in my suunto vytec that means it takes a few minutes to
download the data each time.

So not just less than a few seconds as you suggest.

It would be nice, but not really a big deal, a suunto has enough memory
to store more than 1 week of liveaboard dives (4 dives a day of 45 min each)

================================================== ================================================== ================================================== ================================================== =
My newsreader does indent messages when I reply to them - but I've noticed
it does not indent YOUR messages for some reason! OE6, if anyone knows why.

Well, I read what you write about transfer times and I cannot argue with
your reasoning. However my Vyper's memory is full, and yes the dive manager
software does read the entire contents each time I connect it. It just seems
to be no more than about 30 secs every time it reads. Its large memory is a
very nice feature when doing dive holidays as you say - it keeps many hours
of submersion in its memory.

ken

coulsond

Just to clarify then. Can you simply buy a rs232 to usb convertor and
this should work? I did buy one and it came with a driver that I
installed, but the cable still didn't work. the vyper I have wasn't
picked up. I don't want to have to fork out another £30+ when I paid
£50 for the serial cable I have.


regards


Dean


--
coulsond
http://www.scubish.com

Ken

"coulsond" <coulsond.2u6l1t@scubish.com> wrote in message
news:coulsond.2u6l1t@scubish.com...
>
> Just to clarify then. Can you simply buy a rs232 to usb convertor and
> this should work? I did buy one and it came with a driver that I
> installed, but the cable still didn't work. the vyper I have wasn't
> picked up. I don't want to have to fork out another £30+ when I paid
> £50 for the serial cable I have.

No it won't. The interface is substantially the same, and if it works at the
low speeds of the COM ports the USB ports should have no problems dealing
with the data rate. The difficulty arises with the voltages present on some
of the 9-pin plugs / sockets which are used to power the interface. There is
insufficient voltage in the USB sockets to do this. You need to add an
external power supply to the interface, and then all should be well. Do you
have a commercially-manufactured interface or a home-made one?

Ken