D

Last week, July 18th, at around 2pm my nephew and a girlfriend lost their
lives in the sea off Isle of Wight. Their boat was a Humber rib. They wore
no life jackets but the boat, once they were out of it, was still making way
and was eventually found about a half mile away snagged on a line (which is
why the alarm was raised).

The tradegedy happend between Bembridge ledge and Sandown bay.

They had been photographing HMS Severn immediately before the accident.

We do not know why they were in the water.

Did anyone happen to see anything please?

david

D

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2134252.ece

http://www.iwcp.co.uk/News/LAST_PICT...AGIC_PAIR.aspx

ian@atsandelldot.codot.uk

I am sorry to hear of the deaths of two people and you have my
sympathy, not that it helps.

I get error on both these links.

Ian

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:41:42 +0100, "D" <David_perry@btconnect.com>
wrote:

>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2134252.ece
>
>http://www.iwcp.co.uk/News/LAST_PICT...AGIC_PAIR.aspx
>

Goofball_star_dot_etal

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:12:39 GMT, ian@atsandelldot.codot.uk wrote:

>I am sorry to hear of the deaths of two people and you have my
>sympathy, not that it helps.
>
>I get error on both these links.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2134252.ece
http://www.iwcp.co.uk/News/LAST_PICT...AGIC_PAIR.aspx


>
>Ian
>
>On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:41:42 +0100, "D" <David_perry@btconnect.com>
>wrote:
>
>>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2134252.ece
>>
>>http://www.iwcp.co.uk/News/LAST_PICT...AGIC_PAIR.aspx
>>

toad

On 25 Jul, 22:15, Goofball_star_dot_etal <w...@needs.email.anyhow>
wrote:

> >>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2134252.ece
>
> >>http://www.iwcp.co.uk/News/LAST_PICT...AGIC_PAIR.aspx

They seem to know which rocks it hit? How?

Tragic.

Goofball_star_dot_etal

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:26:22 -0700, toad <toad_oftoadhall@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 25 Jul, 22:15, Goofball_star_dot_etal <w...@needs.email.anyhow>
>wrote:
>
>> >>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2134252.ece
>>
>> >>http://www.iwcp.co.uk/News/LAST_PICT...AGIC_PAIR.aspx
>
>They seem to know which rocks it hit? How?

Take little notice. I have never known our local rag get all the
details straight yet..

>
>Tragic.

Yes, my condolences to those involved. Nice sunny days get far more
people into trouble at the seaside than anything else, IMO.

D

Thanks chaps.

re rocks, the marine police have stated that there are NO signs of damage to
the boat. None at all.

Most likely at the moment is that they were swamped for some reason (aborted
wave jump perhaps?) and knocked out. I THINK the rib is self draining, but
not sure. I have not collected the boat yet so havent seen it.

I can't beelieve he's gone, it's quite sureal. Oh for the want of a life
jacket - left safely in the bottom of the boat.
David

"Goofball_star_dot_etal" <who@needs.email.anyhow> wrote in message
news:ktkha3tvvh1scm3itjtut53budv2o0aiue@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:26:22 -0700, toad <toad_oftoadhall@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>On 25 Jul, 22:15, Goofball_star_dot_etal <w...@needs.email.anyhow>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> >>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2134252.ece
>>>
>>> >>http://www.iwcp.co.uk/News/LAST_PICT...AGIC_PAIR.aspx
>>
>>They seem to know which rocks it hit? How?
>
> Take little notice. I have never known our local rag get all the
> details straight yet..
>
>>
>>Tragic.
>
> Yes, my condolences to those involved. Nice sunny days get far more
> people into trouble at the seaside than anything else, IMO.
>
>
>

toad

On 27 Jul, 13:04, "D" <David_pe...@btconnect.com> wrote:
> Thanks chaps.
>
> re rocks, the marine police have stated that there are NO signs of damage to
> the boat. None at all.

That makes more sense.

> Most likely at the moment is that they were swamped for some reason (aborted
> wave jump perhaps?) and knocked out. I THINK the rib is self draining, but
> not sure. I have not collected the boat yet so havent seen it.

Or just both bounced out on a wave, out of swimming reach of the
shore.

Really sorry.

ian@atsandelldot.codot.uk

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:35:03 -0700, toad <toad_oftoadhall@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 27 Jul, 13:04, "D" <David_pe...@btconnect.com> wrote:
>> Thanks chaps.
>>
>> re rocks, the marine police have stated that there are NO signs of damage to
>> the boat. None at all.
>
>That makes more sense.
>
>> Most likely at the moment is that they were swamped for some reason (aborted
>> wave jump perhaps?) and knocked out. I THINK the rib is self draining, but
>> not sure. I have not collected the boat yet so havent seen it.
>
>Or just both bounced out on a wave, out of swimming reach of the
>shore.

And presumably no kill cord. I seem to remember a tragic accident at
Soton Boat Show a few years ago which was made worst by driver not
having a kill cord.

Ian

Keith

In message <5f1ka357r5cn99sdpvgr0k0qgp0l73qcpi@4ax.com>,
ian@atsandelldot.codot.uk writes
>
>And presumably no kill cord. I seem to remember a tragic accident at
>Soton Boat Show a few years ago which was made worst by driver not
>having a kill cord.
>
>
How can a 'tragic accident' be 'made worst' by not having a kill
cord?
--
Keith replace nospam with ilf0rd

TonyB

>>
> How can a 'tragic accident' be 'made worst' by not having a kill cord?

The tragic accident is falling out of the boat, seeing it zoom off and
expecting to drown.
It's made worse when you realise that it is turning in ever decreasing
circles and will mow
you down. This was taught to me on a recent powerboat course and I'm very
sorry to
say it may well be what happened to D's relatives. I'm sorry
also, because I don't want to upset D any further, but it may offer the
explanation that he is looking for.

My sympathies and condolences.

TonyB

Wilbur Hubbard

"TonyB" <hatt.j.bennett@tesco.net> wrote in message
news:JrOdnSeCm98zqjfb4p2dnAA@bt.com...
>>>
>> How can a 'tragic accident' be 'made worst' by not having a kill
>> cord?
>
> The tragic accident is falling out of the boat, seeing it zoom off
> and expecting to drown.
> It's made worse when you realise that it is turning in ever decreasing
> circles and will mow
> you down. This was taught to me on a recent powerboat course and I'm
> very sorry to
> say it may well be what happened to D's relatives. I'm sorry
> also, because I don't want to upset D any further, but it may offer
> the explanation that he is looking for.
>
> My sympathies and condolences.
>
> TonyB

If your theory is correct then they were killed by their own stupidity.
All modern small outboards have that kill switch lanyard that you're
supposed to put on your wrist. Should you happen to fall out of the
dinghy the kill switch activates and the motor stops. Few people bother
using the thing. Like seat belts they think they are optional...

Darwin award candidate???

Wilbur Hubbard

ian@atsandelldot.codot.uk

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:20:53 +0100, "TonyB" <hatt.j.bennett@tesco.net>
wrote:

>>>
>> How can a 'tragic accident' be 'made worst' by not having a kill cord?
>
>The tragic accident is falling out of the boat, seeing it zoom off and
>expecting to drown.
>It's made worse when you realise that it is turning in ever decreasing
>circles and will mow
>you down. This was taught to me on a recent powerboat course and I'm very
>sorry to
>say it may well be what happened to D's relatives. I'm sorry
>also, because I don't want to upset D any further, but it may offer the
>explanation that he is looking for.

Quite so. I didn't want to say that it was caused by not using a
kill-cord dont remember the details.

>My sympathies and condolences.

Mine also. Speculation about the cause does not lessen the tragedy.

Ian

Quilljar

Willy's sympathy does him credit...he's all heart as usual. It must be
marvellous to have been right all your life.

--
Yrs Quilly

http://quilljar.users.btopenworld.com/gall.html

"Wilbur Hubbard" <wilburhubbard@thefarm.invallid> wrote in message
news:46aa3e96$0$79266$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.oct anews.com...
>
> "TonyB" <hatt.j.bennett@tesco.net> wrote in message
> news:JrOdnSeCm98zqjfb4p2dnAA@bt.com...
>>>>
>>> How can a 'tragic accident' be 'made worst' by not having a kill
>>> cord?
>>
>> The tragic accident is falling out of the boat, seeing it zoom off and
>> expecting to drown.
>> It's made worse when you realise that it is turning in ever decreasing
>> circles and will mow
>> you down. This was taught to me on a recent powerboat course and I'm very
>> sorry to
>> say it may well be what happened to D's relatives. I'm sorry
>> also, because I don't want to upset D any further, but it may offer the
>> explanation that he is looking for.
>>
>> My sympathies and condolences.
>>
>> TonyB
>
> If your theory is correct then they were killed by their own stupidity.
> All modern small outboards have that kill switch lanyard that you're
> supposed to put on your wrist. Should you happen to fall out of the dinghy
> the kill switch activates and the motor stops. Few people bother using the
> thing. Like seat belts they think they are optional...
>
> Darwin award candidate???
>
> Wilbur Hubbard
>
>
>
>

toad

On 27 Jul, 19:52, "Wilbur Hubbard" <wilburhubb...@thefarm.invallid>
wrote:
> "TonyB" <hatt.j.benn...@tesco.net> wrote in message
>
> news:JrOdnSeCm98zqjfb4p2dnAA@bt.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> How can a 'tragic accident' be 'made worst' by not having a kill
> >> cord?
>
> > The tragic accident is falling out of the boat, seeing it zoom off
> > and expecting to drown.
> > It's made worse when you realise that it is turning in ever decreasing
> > circles and will mow
> > you down. This was taught to me on a recent powerboat course and I'm
> > very sorry to
> > say it may well be what happened to D's relatives. I'm sorry
> > also, because I don't want to upset D any further, but it may offer
> > the explanation that he is looking for.
>
> > My sympathies and condolences.
>
> > TonyB
>
> If your theory is correct then they were killed by their own stupidity.
> All modern small outboards have that kill switch lanyard that you're
> supposed to put on your wrist. Should you happen to fall out of the
> dinghy the kill switch activates and the motor stops. Few people bother
> using the thing. Like seat belts they think they are optional...
>
> Darwin award candidate???

I normally enjoy your trolls Wilbur, (although I try not to reply to
it) but in this case with the victim's uncle reading it's simply not
acceptable.

We don't know how they died. Maybe they died for lack of helmet, or
lanyard, or wet suit, or life jacket. Maybe leaving home at all was an
unaceptable risk. Maybe the drive down from the Midlands was an
unacceptable risk. (It was far more dangerous than playing in a RIB.)

However, I doubt there's a man here who hasn't been out in a fast
powerboat on a sunny day with nothing beyond a t-shirt and shorts.
Kill switch lanyards have only become common relatively recently, did
we all deserve to die before that?

I, for one, am going out in a 50bhp Dell Quay Dory later and I won't
be wearing anything to protect me from cold water, nor will I be
wearing a helmet or a kill switch lanyard.

You could only blame themselves for their fate if they took
significantly lesser steps that the average beach boater to protect
themselves, and they didn't.

ian@atsandelldot.codot.uk

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 00:01:16 -0700, toad <toad_oftoadhall@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>However, I doubt there's a man here who hasn't been out in a fast
>powerboat on a sunny day with nothing beyond a t-shirt and shorts.
>Kill switch lanyards have only become common relatively recently, did
>we all deserve to die before that?

I suspect that most sailors that I know have never been in a fast
power boat in their lives.

The little 2hp Suzi we have doesn't have a kill cord, but the few
times that I have been something with more hp, I have always worn a
kill cord, and would always wear one when available if solo.

>I, for one, am going out in a 50bhp Dell Quay Dory later and I won't
>be wearing anything to protect me from cold water, nor will I be
>wearing a helmet or a kill switch lanyard.

Maybe this engine does not have one. If it's a club owned boat, I
think that they should seriously think about fitting one.

Ian

Duncan Heenan

"Wilbur Hubbard" <wilburhubbard@thefarm.invallid> wrote in message
news:46aa3e96$0$79266$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.oct anews.com...
> snip<
> If your theory is correct then they were killed by their own stupidity.


I wish the same would happen to you then, Wilma.
You insensitive bastard! This is a real event and you are talking to
bereaved relatives. It is not a game.

Whatever the cause, my condolences go to all friends and relatives of the
deceased.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Duncan Heenan" <pleasenospammersduncanheenan@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in
message news:f8ese4$8su$1@aioe.org...
>
> "Wilbur Hubbard" <wilburhubbard@thefarm.invallid> wrote in message
> news:46aa3e96$0$79266$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.oct anews.com...
>> snip<
>> If your theory is correct then they were killed by their own
>> stupidity.
>
>
> I wish the same would happen to you then, Wilma.
> You insensitive bastard! This is a real event and you are talking to
> bereaved relatives. It is not a game.


And, this is a discussion group, is it not? Somebody posts a message and
people discuss the message. Somebody else postulates that perhaps they
fell out and got run over by their own inflatable. Possible, very
possible. But, stupid and avoidable nonetheless. At this time nobody
know what really happened. Perhaps nobody ever will. At any rate, the
bereaved, by posting on a public discussion group, cannot realistically
expect discussion will be withheld. Maybe lives will be saved by people
seeing the value of using the wrist lanyard. If this happens to be the
case then perhaps the aforementioned deaths will not have been in vain.

You have to take a realistic approach. Feelings often get in the way of
constructive action. Constructive action is not trying to find a
scapegoat, it's not suing the manufacturer, it's not trying to blame
things on somebody else. It's taking personable responsibility for one's
actions. If you die because you didn't want to wear your seatbelt then
you have only yourself to blame. If you die because you chose to not use
life jackets or other safety equipment like a kill switch lanyard then
you have only yourself to blame. If relatives are so distraught they
should perhaps have previously pointed out the folly of operating the
infaltable without using the lanyard and the wisdom of donning life
jackets instead of saying nothing and then having to live with the
consequences of their policy of non-interference. Live and let live
sometimes results in live and let die. It is grief or is it grief laced
with a little guilt?

Accidents like this one are TOTALLY avoidable. Nobody should ever have
to die like that. YOU are responsibly for the safe operation of your
vessel. No survivor wants to have it pointed out that stupidity and
carelessness may well have contributed to or have been the very cause of
an unexpected death. But, it needs to be pointed out because there are
plenty of living people who might benefit from it.

Wilbur Hubbard

deepblue

I know i've fallen into the trap but please just ignore any more posts by
this poor excuse for a human being.
He's just an attention seeking w****r without a shred of human decency as
proved by ALL his previous posts.


"Wilbur Hubbard" <wilburhubbard@thefarm.invallid> wrote in message
news:46abb97e$0$79237$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.oct anews.com...
>
> "Duncan Heenan" <pleasenospammersduncanheenan@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:f8ese4$8su$1@aioe.org...
>>
>> "Wilbur Hubbard" <wilburhubbard@thefarm.invallid> wrote in message
>> news:46aa3e96$0$79266$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.oct anews.com...
>>> snip<
>>> If your theory is correct then they were killed by their own stupidity.
>>
>>
>> I wish the same would happen to you then, Wilma.
>> You insensitive bastard! This is a real event and you are talking to
>> bereaved relatives. It is not a game.
>
>
> And, this is a discussion group, is it not? Somebody posts a message and
> people discuss the message. Somebody else postulates that perhaps they
> fell out and got run over by their own inflatable. Possible, very
> possible. But, stupid and avoidable nonetheless. At this time nobody know
> what really happened. Perhaps nobody ever will. At any rate, the bereaved,
> by posting on a public discussion group, cannot realistically expect
> discussion will be withheld. Maybe lives will be saved by people seeing
> the value of using the wrist lanyard. If this happens to be the case then
> perhaps the aforementioned deaths will not have been in vain.
>
> You have to take a realistic approach. Feelings often get in the way of
> constructive action. Constructive action is not trying to find a
> scapegoat, it's not suing the manufacturer, it's not trying to blame
> things on somebody else. It's taking personable responsibility for one's
> actions. If you die because you didn't want to wear your seatbelt then you
> have only yourself to blame. If you die because you chose to not use life
> jackets or other safety equipment like a kill switch lanyard then you have
> only yourself to blame. If relatives are so distraught they should perhaps
> have previously pointed out the folly of operating the infaltable without
> using the lanyard and the wisdom of donning life jackets instead of saying
> nothing and then having to live with the consequences of their policy of
> non-interference. Live and let live sometimes results in live and let
> die. It is grief or is it grief laced with a little guilt?
>
> Accidents like this one are TOTALLY avoidable. Nobody should ever have to
> die like that. YOU are responsibly for the safe operation of your vessel.
> No survivor wants to have it pointed out that stupidity and carelessness
> may well have contributed to or have been the very cause of an unexpected
> death. But, it needs to be pointed out because there are plenty of living
> people who might benefit from it.
>
> Wilbur Hubbard
>

D

Thanks people. I do realise that had my nephew and his girlfriend been
wearing life jackets and a kill cord then yes, they'd be here now. I also
know why she at least was not wearing a jacket ("it smelled funny") and
Richard was, well a 28 year old bloke with more sense of fun and action than
of mortality. It seems we have all be there except for Wilbur, and for him
I am sorry. He missed a lot.

I suspect that they were simply washed out of theboat, probably as Heather
closed the throttle abruptly on entering a wave or wash - I gather the
ensuing deluge can be terrific. Two young people made a few mistakes - the
Swiss cheese model of accidents as used in my own industry, aviation.

I think the funeral is next week, after that the re-building of broken
families.

Thanks all. Even Wilbur. ALL comments have been assimilated.

David

Martin

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:54:11 +0100, "deepblue" <garyedge@bigfoot.com> wrote:

>I know i've fallen into the trap but please just ignore any more posts by
>this poor excuse for a human being.
>He's just an attention seeking w****r without a shred of human decency as
>proved by ALL his previous posts.

Perhaps you shouldn't have copied the whole of his post.
--

Martin

Goofball_star_dot_etal

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 01:09:09 +0100, "D" <David_perry@btconnect.com>
wrote:

>Thanks people. I do realise that had my nephew and his girlfriend been
>wearing life jackets and a kill cord then yes, they'd be here now. I also
>know why she at least was not wearing a jacket ("it smelled funny") and
>Richard was, well a 28 year old bloke with more sense of fun and action than
>of mortality. It seems we have all be there except for Wilbur, and for him
>I am sorry. He missed a lot.
>
>I suspect that they were simply washed out of theboat, probably as Heather
>closed the throttle abruptly on entering a wave or wash - I gather the
>ensuing deluge can be terrific. Two young people made a few mistakes - the
>Swiss cheese model of accidents as used in my own industry, aviation.
>
>I think the funeral is next week, after that the re-building of broken
>families.
>
>Thanks all. Even Wilbur. ALL comments have been assimilated.
>
>David
>

I'm reluctant to speculate but as we are.. I find the idea of two
people being washed out of the boat or taking off and landing in the
sea remote. It is relatively easy for one person to fall out but not
two. I think it more likely that events are connected and happened in
series. Boat snags lobster pot line. First person enters water to try
to free it, gets separated from boat and is unable to swim against
tide or perhaps is just unable to climb in. Second person tries to
assist first person..

D

> I'm reluctant to speculate but as we are.. I find the idea of two
> people being washed out of the boat or taking off and landing in the
> sea remote. It is relatively easy for one person to fall out but not
> two. I think it more likely that events are connected and happened in
> series. Boat snags lobster pot line. First person enters water to try
> to free it, gets separated from boat and is unable to swim against
> tide or perhaps is just unable to climb in. Second person tries to
> assist first person..


Interesting. Please don't be reluctant to speculate, we want to know how
this could have ended up with two healthy people in the sea.

The coast guard has now recovered a womans body. After DNA testing I am sure
they will declare it to be Heaather.

I have never seen a body after 9 days in the solent, but if they are using
DNA tests I guess it must be a mess.

Kids...why do we have 'em. Every day a worry.

Thanks again

david

Goofball_star_dot_etal

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:27:56 +0100, "D" <David_perry@btconnect.com>
wrote:

>
>
>> I'm reluctant to speculate but as we are.. I find the idea of two
>> people being washed out of the boat or taking off and landing in the
>> sea remote. It is relatively easy for one person to fall out but not
>> two. I think it more likely that events are connected and happened in
>> series. Boat snags lobster pot line. First person enters water to try
>> to free it, gets separated from boat and is unable to swim against
>> tide or perhaps is just unable to climb in. Second person tries to
>> assist first person..
>
>
>Interesting. Please don't be reluctant to speculate, we want to know how
>this could have ended up with two healthy people in the sea.

Call it intuition but if you want me to rationalize.. One person can
make a slip or mistake or loose their balance. For it to happen to two
people it means conditions must have made it impossible to hold on AND
neither landed back in the boat. I've probably done a few hundred
hours in one of these:
http://www.rnli.org.uk/who_we_are/bo...rticleid=44210
Probably thousands of man hours that I know about. I know of about six
capsizes locally, engines ripped off, broken bones but nobody that
just fell out. One fell out up the coast but he had also had a back
injury. Usually one falls back in the boat. The fact that it does not
happen often does not mean that it cannot happen or did not happen
this time.
See: http://www.maib.gov.uk/cms_resources...B_Synopsis.pdf
although this involved mechanical failure.

>
>The coast guard has now recovered a womans body.

I know:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/h...re/6919833.stm

>After DNA testing I am sure
>they will declare it to be Heaather.
>

Prabably an alternative to identification by relatives. I good idea,
if so.

>I have never seen a body after 9 days in the solent, but if they are using
>DNA tests I guess it must be a mess.
>

You don't need to know. A very good reason to wear a lifejacket if you
consider close relatives.

>Kids...why do we have 'em. Every day a worry.
>

True. My wife does not seem worry about me.. I worry about that a lot.
:-)

>Thanks again
>
>david
>

Timo Heikkinen

D kirjoitti:

> Interesting. Please don't be reluctant to speculate, we want to know how
> this could have ended up with two healthy people in the sea.

Well, it seems possible to happen even for _three_ people:
<URL="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21589818-2,00.html">

- Timo

--
http://timohei.net/kaarina/

toad

On 29 Jul, 10:31, Goofball_star_dot_etal <w...@needs.email.anyhow>
wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 01:09:09 +0100, "D" <David_pe...@btconnect.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Thanks people. I do realise that had my nephew and his girlfriend been
> >wearing life jackets and a kill cord then yes, they'd be here now. I also
> >know why she at least was not wearing a jacket ("it smelled funny") and
> >Richard was, well a 28 year old bloke with more sense of fun and action than
> >of mortality. It seems we have all be there except for Wilbur, and for him
> >I am sorry. He missed a lot.
>
> >I suspect that they were simply washed out of theboat, probably as Heather
> >closed the throttle abruptly on entering a wave or wash - I gather the
> >ensuing deluge can be terrific. Two young people made a few mistakes - the
> >Swiss cheese model of accidents as used in my own industry, aviation.
>
> >I think the funeral is next week, after that the re-building of broken
> >families.
>
> >Thanks all. Even Wilbur. ALL comments have been assimilated.
>
> >David
>
> I'm reluctant to speculate but as we are.. I find the idea of two
> people being washed out of the boat or taking off and landing in the
> sea remote. It is relatively easy for one person to fall out but not
> two. I think it more likely that events are connected and happened in
> series. Boat snags lobster pot line. First person enters water to try
> to free it, gets separated from boat and is unable to swim against
> tide or perhaps is just unable to climb in. Second person tries to
> assist first person..

I agree two people getting bounced out is unlikley but freak accidents
are by definition unlikely.

Your suggestion makes no sense. There is no way anybody would get in
the water with a tide they couldn't beat flowing. If they did there's
no way the other person would then choose to join them. ...and nobody
would ever free a boat from the water with the engine running and in
gear.

Was it definately found with the engine running? If not perhaps they
just hopped in for a swim, gust of wind... Mary Celeste senario.

Goofball_star_dot_etal

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:52:03 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
<wilburhubbard@thefarm.invallid> wrote:

>All modern small outboards have that kill switch lanyard that you're
>supposed to put on your wrist. Should you happen to fall out of the
>dinghy the kill switch activates and the motor stops. Few people bother
>using the thing. Like seat belts they think they are optional...

I's a lubberly gimmick thing that makes begginers like you feel safe,
Wilbuur. Useful sometimes perhaps, like in a tender on your own, or on
a lake. Fast power boats are useless at sea without power. The last
thing you need is the engine stopping suddenly because the silly
lanyard snagged on something.

Goofball_star_dot_etal

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:02:01 -0700, toad <toad_oftoadhall@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 29 Jul, 10:31, Goofball_star_dot_etal <w...@needs.email.anyhow>
>wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 01:09:09 +0100, "D" <David_pe...@btconnect.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >Thanks people. I do realise that had my nephew and his girlfriend been
>> >wearing life jackets and a kill cord then yes, they'd be here now. I also
>> >know why she at least was not wearing a jacket ("it smelled funny") and
>> >Richard was, well a 28 year old bloke with more sense of fun and action than
>> >of mortality. It seems we have all be there except for Wilbur, and for him
>> >I am sorry. He missed a lot.
>>
>> >I suspect that they were simply washed out of theboat, probably as Heather
>> >closed the throttle abruptly on entering a wave or wash - I gather the
>> >ensuing deluge can be terrific. Two young people made a few mistakes - the
>> >Swiss cheese model of accidents as used in my own industry, aviation.
>>
>> >I think the funeral is next week, after that the re-building of broken
>> >families.
>>
>> >Thanks all. Even Wilbur. ALL comments have been assimilated.
>>
>> >David
>>
>> I'm reluctant to speculate but as we are.. I find the idea of two
>> people being washed out of the boat or taking off and landing in the
>> sea remote. It is relatively easy for one person to fall out but not
>> two. I think it more likely that events are connected and happened in
>> series. Boat snags lobster pot line. First person enters water to try
>> to free it, gets separated from boat and is unable to swim against
>> tide or perhaps is just unable to climb in. Second person tries to
>> assist first person..
>
>I agree two people getting bounced out is unlikley but freak accidents
>are by definition unlikely.
>
>Your suggestion makes no sense. There is no way anybody would get in
>the water with a tide they couldn't beat flowing.

Difficult to tell until you try it..

>If they did there's
>no way the other person would then choose to join them.

They might have joined them by accident. Girlfriend driffting away
with cramp, boat snagged on line, nothing to thow, no radio? I dunno..

...and nobody
>would ever free a boat from the water with the engine running and in
>gear.
>
Not if they have any sense. I cannot imagine a boat caught on a
lobbster line without it wrapping around the prop and stalling, if the
engine was running and in gear.

>Was it definately found with the engine running?

Who knows...

If not perhaps they
>just hopped in for a swim, gust of wind... Mary Celeste senario.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Goofball_star_dot_etal" <who@needs.email.anyhow> wrote in message
news:hukpa3tnl7ukcd5mqn34gd2tb07d0kqf1f@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:52:03 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
> <wilburhubbard@thefarm.invallid> wrote:
>
>>All modern small outboards have that kill switch lanyard that you're
>>supposed to put on your wrist. Should you happen to fall out of the
>>dinghy the kill switch activates and the motor stops. Few people
>>bother
>>using the thing. Like seat belts they think they are optional...
>
> I's a lubberly gimmick thing that makes begginers like you feel safe,
> Wilbuur. Useful sometimes perhaps, like in a tender on your own, or on
> a lake. Fast power boats are useless at sea without power. The last
> thing you need is the engine stopping suddenly because the silly
> lanyard snagged on something.


And, I bet you don't wear a PFD either. That's good. Natural selection
actually works.

Wilbur Hubbard

Goofball_star_dot_etal

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:20:38 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
<wilburhubbard@thefarm.invallid> wrote:

>
>"Goofball_star_dot_etal" <who@needs.email.anyhow> wrote in message
>news:hukpa3tnl7ukcd5mqn34gd2tb07d0kqf1f@4ax.com.. .
>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:52:03 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
>> <wilburhubbard@thefarm.invallid> wrote:
>>
>>>All modern small outboards have that kill switch lanyard that you're
>>>supposed to put on your wrist. Should you happen to fall out of the
>>>dinghy the kill switch activates and the motor stops. Few people
>>>bother
>>>using the thing. Like seat belts they think they are optional...
>>
>> I's a lubberly gimmick thing that makes begginers like you feel safe,
>> Wilbuur. Useful sometimes perhaps, like in a tender on your own, or on
>> a lake. Fast power boats are useless at sea without power. The last
>> thing you need is the engine stopping suddenly because the silly
>> lanyard snagged on something.
>
>
>And, I bet you don't wear a PFD either.

You mean a lifejacket and PLB? You lose.

> That's good. Natural selection
>actually works.
>

Wilbur Hubbard

"Goofball_star_dot_etal" <who@needs.email.anyhow> wrote in message
news:u8qpa316bb020s77of66i4t8gr50758fvs@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:20:38 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
> <wilburhubbard@thefarm.invallid> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Goofball_star_dot_etal" <who@needs.email.anyhow> wrote in message
>>news:hukpa3tnl7ukcd5mqn34gd2tb07d0kqf1f@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:52:03 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
>>> <wilburhubbard@thefarm.invallid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>All modern small outboards have that kill switch lanyard that you're
>>>>supposed to put on your wrist. Should you happen to fall out of the
>>>>dinghy the kill switch activates and the motor stops. Few people
>>>>bother
>>>>using the thing. Like seat belts they think they are optional...
>>>
>>> I's a lubberly gimmick thing that makes begginers like you feel
>>> safe,
>>> Wilbuur. Useful sometimes perhaps, like in a tender on your own, or
>>> on
>>> a lake. Fast power boats are useless at sea without power. The last
>>> thing you need is the engine stopping suddenly because the silly
>>> lanyard snagged on something.
>>
>>
>>And, I bet you don't wear a PFD either.
>
> You mean a lifejacket and PLB? You lose.
>
>> That's good. Natural selection
>>actually works.
>>
>
>

PFD = Personal Flotation Device. . . Did you know they actually sell
some pretty nice inflatable ones that are approved. They are comfortable
to wear and not hot and bulky like the old-style types. No real excuse
to not don one when on the water unless you don't love your loved ones
or don't value you life.

http://www.go2marine.com/category.do?no=12137

Wilbur Hubbard

Goofball_star_dot_etal

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:55:07 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
<wilburhubbard@thefarm.invallid> wrote:

>
>"Goofball_star_dot_etal" <who@needs.email.anyhow> wrote in message
>news:u8qpa316bb020s77of66i4t8gr50758fvs@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:20:38 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
>> <wilburhubbard@thefarm.invallid> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Goofball_star_dot_etal" <who@needs.email.anyhow> wrote in message
>>>news:hukpa3tnl7ukcd5mqn34gd2tb07d0kqf1f@4ax.com ...
>>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:52:03 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
>>>> <wilburhubbard@thefarm.invallid> wrote