What again? Another thread on Watermakers?

As work work quietens down, it's time to look at the next stage of the
fit out for "Hinewai" - the water system (Thanks for a great thread
back in September - v.useful in the planning stage).

But we'd welcome your thoughts on Water Makers.

"Hinewai" is a 44 steel ketch and most of the time there'll only be
Jean and I on board. However, for longer passages, we'd plan on
having a couple of helpers so we're allowing for 4 persons on board.

We're allowing for passage water use of 5 gallons (25ltr) per day per
person - say 100ltr per day. We carry c. 500 ltr of water in the
tanks.

We have good solar and wind power generation which, to date, has been
more than enough for keeping the batteries topped up (but then we
don't bother that much with the refrigeration at the moment and
downwind sailing in the tropics will degrade the output from the fan).
We have a reasonable house battery bank of 520AH and are allowing
running the engine an hour a day, but we don't have room around the
engine for extra pulley etc so the water maker will have to be driven
12VDC.

Looking at the various options and allowing for our budget of around
Aus$10K, we're probably in the market for a water maker producing
c.50ltr per hour. These seem to draw c.15A in that time.

But, the big question is which system?

Down here in Australia, two makes predominate. Spectra and PUR (or
Katadyn as it seems to now be called).

All things being equal and assuming we look after the things right, do
any kind readers have any experiences, views, thoughts, comparisons,
etc about either - or any suggestions on alternatives?

Giving something back - especially for steel boat owners.

We currently have two steel water tanks of 300 ltr each, one side
being hull plate, each with a centre baffle. As part of this
exercise, we opened up out water tanks to inspect them and were
staggered at the breakdown of the paint system from our last
inspection a year ago - the insides looked like those shots of the
Titanic with its rusticles (but at least the clean water we were
getting at the taps showed the filter was still working).

With a manic grin and grinder in hand, I'm heading off to the boat
this weekend to cut the tops off the tanks. We'll sort out the paint
and the rust, line the tanks and are then installing four water
bladders - one either side of the baffle in each tank. I reckon this
will cost us some 50-100ltr capacity, but it will mean no more rust
worries and we only risk loosing 25% of our water if a "tank" gets
contaminated, not 50%. We'll retain the water integrity of the lower
part of the tank so if a bladder lets go, the water will be caught.

Well, hopefully it will work for us.

Thanks

Peter

(Also posted to rec.boats.building, rec.boats.building and aus.sport
sailing <- which has just had a great thread on plastic buckets!)


www.oceanodyssey.net
"Do not measure your life by the number of breaths you take,
Rather by the number of times life just takes your breath away"

Livol desalinateurs are well regarded in France. They're 12v, 30l/hour,
supposedly reliable and easy to maintain. No personal experience, just
passing on the recommendation of people who have had them.

Peter wrote:

> We're allowing for passage water use of 5 gallons (25ltr) per day per
> person - say 100ltr per day. We carry c. 500 ltr of water in the
> tanks.

That consumption seems rather high. J has 300ltr and that seems to last 2 of
us easily more than a week.

If you are sailing well offshore you can fit a salt water supply to the galley
sink that will drastically reduce consuption (J does not have this) which
leaves fresh water only for cooking, drinking and personal use. I know of
other Nic 32s which have sailed transatlantic (3 weeks) with no probs.

"Peter" <Peter@> wrote in message
news:9rhvsvsooseduub00d6socq9f4tvhat4ub@4ax.com...
> As work work quietens down, it's time to look at the next stage of the
> fit out for "Hinewai" - the water system (Thanks for a great thread
> back in September - v.useful in the planning stage).
>
> But we'd welcome your thoughts on Water Makers.
>
> "Hinewai" is a 44 steel ketch and most of the time there'll only be
> Jean and I on board. However, for longer passages, we'd plan on
> having a couple of helpers so we're allowing for 4 persons on board.
>
> We're allowing for passage water use of 5 gallons (25ltr) per day per
> person - say 100ltr per day. We carry c. 500 ltr of water in the
> tanks.
>
> We have good solar and wind power generation which, to date, has been
> more than enough for keeping the batteries topped up (but then we
> don't bother that much with the refrigeration at the moment and
> downwind sailing in the tropics will degrade the output from the fan).
> We have a reasonable house battery bank of 520AH and are allowing
> running the engine an hour a day, but we don't have room around the
> engine for extra pulley etc so the water maker will have to be driven
> 12VDC.
>
> Looking at the various options and allowing for our budget of around
> Aus$10K, we're probably in the market for a water maker producing
> c.50ltr per hour. These seem to draw c.15A in that time.
>
> But, the big question is which system?
>
> Down here in Australia, two makes predominate. Spectra and PUR (or
> Katadyn as it seems to now be called).
>
> All things being equal and assuming we look after the things right, do
> any kind readers have any experiences, views, thoughts, comparisons,
> etc about either - or any suggestions on alternatives?
>
> Giving something back - especially for steel boat owners.
>
> We currently have two steel water tanks of 300 ltr each, one side
> being hull plate, each with a centre baffle. As part of this
> exercise, we opened up out water tanks to inspect them and were
> staggered at the breakdown of the paint system from our last
> inspection a year ago - the insides looked like those shots of the
> Titanic with its rusticles (but at least the clean water we were
> getting at the taps showed the filter was still working).
>
> With a manic grin and grinder in hand, I'm heading off to the boat
> this weekend to cut the tops off the tanks. We'll sort out the paint
> and the rust, line the tanks and are then installing four water
> bladders - one either side of the baffle in each tank. I reckon this
> will cost us some 50-100ltr capacity, but it will mean no more rust
> worries and we only risk loosing 25% of our water if a "tank" gets
> contaminated, not 50%. We'll retain the water integrity of the lower
> part of the tank so if a bladder lets go, the water will be caught.
>
> Well, hopefully it will work for us.
>
> Thanks
>
> Peter

I read on rec.building that Glen Ashmore built his own using a 271 cat pump
that he got at a reasonable price on Ebay. I dont know much about the
mechanics of putting one together but I got the impression that it was not
too difficult, and that in the end you ended up with something that you
would be able to maintain easier that a manufactured one. If you speak to
Glen he would probably point you in the right direction.

A quick search on ebay brought up a number of cat pumps, not sure what one
you would need for you specification but what about this for example
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...ategory=10 13

<Couldnt resist>......

garry

"Tony of Judicious" <tony@deletethis.thoward.plus.com> wrote in message
news:nGXzb.17055$lm1.139095@wards.force9.net...
> Peter wrote:
>
> > We're allowing for passage water use of 5 gallons (25ltr) per day per
> > person - say 100ltr per day. We carry c. 500 ltr of water in the
> > tanks.
>
> That consumption seems rather high. J has 300ltr and that seems to last 2
of
> us easily more than a week.
>
They're sailing in the tropics and I'd imagine will be spending a lot of
time swimming/diving and then showering with fresh, so they will probably
use more than your consumption in the north Atlantic. In summer in the Med I
get through about 60l per day though it would be nice to have 100l a day and
just not have to ration it at all.

As others have said, 5 gallons is a lot - I'd suggest looking at half that
and using salt water for washing up.

Can't help with 12v watermakers but a couple of thoughts. Our boat (also a
steel ketch) has a generator and 240v HRO watermaker. IMO the best
combination, albeit initial costs are higher - no need to run the engine;
charges the batteries when making water rather than caning them. We also
have a 240v fridge, all of which puts a good load on the generator.
Something else worth organising is a deck water catchment system.

The water tanks are unusual in my experience. Normally I'd only expect the
diesel tank to utilise hull plating and even then you will get some rust.
You probably know this but after you fit the bladders I'd take them out
and check them annually. If you get condensation between the bladders and
hull plate, which is almost certain, the rust will return.

Mike

Guy Fawkes <look@my.sig> wrote:

> stainless steel tanks are never a good idea, unless you are using them to
> hold something *very* biodegradeable such as fresh milk for human
> consumption, which is unlikely on a boat.

My preference for water tanks is either welded or rotational moulded
polypropylene. They don't rot and they don't taint the water.

--
Having problems understanding usenet? Or do you simply need help but
are getting unhelpful answers? Subscribe to: uk.net.beginners for
friendly advice in a flame-free environment.

On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:28:49 +0100, "Ric" <spam@off.com> wrote:


>>
>They're sailing in the tropics and I'd imagine will be spending a lot of
>time swimming/diving and then showering with fresh, so they will probably
>use more than your consumption in the north Atlantic. In summer in the Med I
>get through about 60l per day though it would be nice to have 100l a day and
>just not have to ration it at all.

How much? What do you do with 100l a day - bath in it?

For showers, use saltwater shampoo, then rinse with a litre of fresh.

Ian

"Ian Sandell" <ian@sandell.co.uk> wrote in message news:8in1tvg73jif7omanhtib5im8aosv17jpp@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:28:49 +0100, "Ric" <spam@off.com> wrote:
>
>
> >>
> >They're sailing in the tropics and I'd imagine will be spending a lot of
> >time swimming/diving and then showering with fresh, so they will probably
> >use more than your consumption in the north Atlantic. In summer in the Med I
> >get through about 60l per day though it would be nice to have 100l a day and
> >just not have to ration it at all.
>
> How much? What do you do with 100l a day - bath in it?
>
> For showers, use saltwater shampoo, then rinse with a litre of fresh.


I agree! A person like that who wastes fresh water so
prolifically should stay ashore and forget all about
sailing.

S.Simon

"Ian Sandell" <ian@sandell.co.uk> wrote in message news:8in1tvg73jif7omanhtib5im8aosv17jpp@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:28:49 +0100, "Ric" <spam@off.com> wrote:
>
>
> >>
> >They're sailing in the tropics and I'd imagine will be spending a lot of
> >time swimming/diving and then showering with fresh, so they will probably
> >use more than your consumption in the north Atlantic. In summer in the Med I
> >get through about 60l per day though it would be nice to have 100l a day and
> >just not have to ration it at all.
>
> How much? What do you do with 100l a day - bath in it?
>
> For showers, use saltwater shampoo, then rinse with a litre of fresh.


Energy hogs are what we're talking about here. This is the type
of person who owns a sailboat that NEVER stops running machinery
of one sort of another. There is a noisy and smelly diesel generator
going 24/7, there is a noisy wind generator or two. There are
loud stereos blaring most of the night, dogs barking, people
hollering, etc. Add to this anchor chains rattling in the middle
of the night because the big noisy boat is dragging because no
proper anchor is shipped.

It's all about priorities. Anyone whose major concern is bathing
and consuming ridiculous quantities of water and making a bad
neighbor out of himself in any anchorage is no sailor. He's just
another lubber extending his obnoxious act out onto the water
where most people go to get away from his type and the lessening
of quality of life he provides.

S.Simon

"Ian Sandell" <ian@sandell.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8in1tvg73jif7omanhtib5im8aosv17jpp@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:28:49 +0100, "Ric" <spam@off.com> wrote:
>
>
> >>
> >They're sailing in the tropics and I'd imagine will be spending a lot of
> >time swimming/diving and then showering with fresh, so they will probably
> >use more than your consumption in the north Atlantic. In summer in the
Med I
> >get through about 60l per day though it would be nice to have 100l a day
and
> >just not have to ration it at all.
>
> How much? What do you do with 100l a day - bath in it?
>
> For showers, use saltwater shampoo, then rinse with a litre of fresh.
>
I swim maybe five times a day in summer - and also have lots of scuba gear
and windsurfer gear to rinse down. I get by with 50l per day but would like
to have 100l a day if I had a water maker!

Yeah I'm a landlubber - that's why I like swimming so much. Any fool can
sail all day on a teaspoon of water per day if they are scared of it.

"Simple Simon" <Pieman@Mincemeat.com> wrote in message
news:g5adnZAlcenVok6iRVn-tw@terranova.net...
>
> If you ever did anything but hang out here and post
> inane thoughts you might realize that when I get
> settled down in a nice, quiet, snug anchorage after
> a day's cruising be it in the Bahamas, the Keys
> or anywhere along the U.S. Gulf and East Coasts it's
> these noisy idiots who come in and anchor right on
> top of me that causes me to make valid observations
> about them and the pathetic, self-centered nature
> of their lubberly actions.

I'd agree with you totally. There is nothing worse than people running
generators or main motors to make electricity. But you can still run a
watermaker on 12v - the Katadyn 40E makes 15l/hour on 12v/5A and the Livol
makes 30l/hour on 12v/8A, both of which can therefore easily be powered by
solar and fan.

Peter <Peter@> wrote in message news:<9rhvsvsooseduub00d6socq9f4tvhat4ub@4ax.com>. ..

Everything Ive heard peter is the belt driven systems are best.
To bad you can not make room for a belt driven system.

>
> Giving something back - especially for steel boat owners.


>
> We currently have two steel water tanks of 300 ltr each, one side
> being hull plate,

I have a steel hull as well Peter, Two water tanks of 75 gallons
each.
I think it was a big mistake using hull plate for one side of your
tanks.
Tanks should stand alone in a removeable bracket.


each with a centre baffle. As part of this
> exercise, we opened up out water tanks to inspect them and were
> staggered at the breakdown of the paint system from our last
> inspection a year ago -

Do you keep your tanks pressed full all the time?
If bnot you should, Keeping them full helps retard rust.


the insides looked like those shots of the
> Titanic with its rusticles (but at least the clean water we were
> getting at the taps showed the filter was still working).
>
> With a manic grin and grinder in hand, I'm heading off to the boat
> this weekend to cut the tops off the tanks. We'll sort out the paint
> and the rust,

Try a new product called "ends rust" It looks like milk and dries
clear. No harsh oders and the stuff works great, much better than
ospho.


line the tanks and are then installing four water
> bladders - one either side of the baffle in each tank.

Great Ideal! I may do the same thing in a few years, My tanks are
almost 30 years old and dont want them to leak a critical time.

Who are you getting the blatters from? I haer it not to hard to build
your own custom nylon tanks

I reckon this
> will cost us some 50-100ltr capacity, but it will mean no more rust
> worries and we only risk loosing 25% of our water if a "tank" gets
> contaminated, not 50%. We'll retain the water integrity of the lower
> part of the tank so if a bladder lets go, the water will be caught.
>
> Well, hopefully it will work for us.

Good Luck, let us kow how it turns out.

Joe
MSV RedCloud
>
> Thanks
>
> Peter
>
> (Also posted to rec.boats.building, rec.boats.building and aus.sport
> sailing <- which has just had a great thread on plastic buckets!)
>
>
> www.oceanodyssey.net
> "Do not measure your life by the number of breaths you take,
> Rather by the number of times life just takes your breath away"

Peter <Peter@> wrote in message news:<9rhvsvsooseduub00d6socq9f4tvhat4ub@4ax.com>. ..

Nice looking vessel Peter. When you say it is a "Roberts Mauritius"
design are you talking about Bruce Roberts?

PS I hope you do not have to tear up to much of the interior to
remove the tank tops!

Joe









> As work work quietens down, it's time to look at the next stage of the
> fit out for "Hinewai" - the water system (Thanks for a great thread
> back in September - v.useful in the planning stage).
>
> But we'd welcome your thoughts on Water Makers.
>
> "Hinewai" is a 44 steel ketch and most of the time there'll only be
> Jean and I on board. However, for longer passages, we'd plan on
> having a couple of helpers so we're allowing for 4 persons on board.
>
> We're allowing for passage water use of 5 gallons (25ltr) per day per
> person - say 100ltr per day. We carry c. 500 ltr of water in the
> tanks.
>
> We have good solar and wind power generation which, to date, has been
> more than enough for keeping the batteries topped up (but then we
> don't bother that much with the refrigeration at the moment and
> downwind sailing in the tropics will degrade the output from the fan).
> We have a reasonable house battery bank of 520AH and are allowing
> running the engine an hour a day, but we don't have room around the
> engine for extra pulley etc so the water maker will have to be driven
> 12VDC.
>
> Looking at the various options and allowing for our budget of around
> Aus$10K, we're probably in the market for a water maker producing
> c.50ltr per hour. These seem to draw c.15A in that time.
>
> But, the big question is which system?
>
> Down here in Australia, two makes predominate. Spectra and PUR (or
> Katadyn as it seems to now be called).
>
> All things being equal and assuming we look after the things right, do
> any kind readers have any experiences, views, thoughts, comparisons,
> etc about either - or any suggestions on alternatives?
>
> Giving something back - especially for steel boat owners.
>
> We currently have two steel water tanks of 300 ltr each, one side
> being hull plate, each with a centre baffle. As part of this
> exercise, we opened up out water tanks to inspect them and were
> staggered at the breakdown of the paint system from our last
> inspection a year ago - the insides looked like those shots of the
> Titanic with its rusticles (but at least the clean water we were
> getting at the taps showed the filter was still working).
>
> With a manic grin and grinder in hand, I'm heading off to the boat
> this weekend to cut the tops off the tanks. We'll sort out the paint
> and the rust, line the tanks and are then installing four water
> bladders - one either side of the baffle in each tank. I reckon this
> will cost us some 50-100ltr capacity, but it will mean no more rust
> worries and we only risk loosing 25% of our water if a "tank" gets
> contaminated, not 50%. We'll retain the water integrity of the lower
> part of the tank so if a bladder lets go, the water will be caught.
>
> Well, hopefully it will work for us.
>
> Thanks
>
> Peter
>
> (Also posted to rec.boats.building, rec.boats.building and aus.sport
> sailing <- which has just had a great thread on plastic buckets!)
>
>
> www.oceanodyssey.net
> "Do not measure your life by the number of breaths you take,
> Rather by the number of times life just takes your breath away"

But that idiot was talking about 50 to 100 liters a day per person
with four persons aboard.

Making that much water takes a generator to provide that kind of energy.

S.Simon


"Ric" <spam@off.com> wrote in message news:br01bd$11k$1@news-reader2.wanadoo.fr...
>
> "Simple Simon" <Pieman@Mincemeat.com> wrote in message
> news:g5adnZAlcenVok6iRVn-tw@terranova.net...
> >
> > If you ever did anything but hang out here and post
> > inane thoughts you might realize that when I get
> > settled down in a nice, quiet, snug anchorage after
> > a day's cruising be it in the Bahamas, the Keys
> > or anywhere along the U.S. Gulf and East Coasts it's
> > these noisy idiots who come in and anchor right on
> > top of me that causes me to make valid observations
> > about them and the pathetic, self-centered nature
> > of their lubberly actions.
>
> I'd agree with you totally. There is nothing worse than people running
> generators or main motors to make electricity. But you can still run a
> watermaker on 12v - the Katadyn 40E makes 15l/hour on 12v/5A and the Livol
> makes 30l/hour on 12v/8A, both of which can therefore easily be powered by
> solar and fan.
>

You once said you could make water with an old beer keg, membrane and
waterdepth of over 700 feet. Didn't need electricity at all, according to
you.
"Simple Simon" <Pieman@Mincemeat.com> wrote in message
newsbedndkPcbATOU6iRVn-gw@terranova.net...
> But that idiot was talking about 50 to 100 liters a day per person
> with four persons aboard.
>
> Making that much water takes a generator to provide that kind of energy.
>
> S.Simon
>
>
> "Ric" <spam@off.com> wrote in message
news:br01bd$11k$1@news-reader2.wanadoo.fr...
> >
> > "Simple Simon" <Pieman@Mincemeat.com> wrote in message
> > news:g5adnZAlcenVok6iRVn-tw@terranova.net...
> > >
> > > If you ever did anything but hang out here and post
> > > inane thoughts you might realize that when I get
> > > settled down in a nice, quiet, snug anchorage after
> > > a day's cruising be it in the Bahamas, the Keys
> > > or anywhere along the U.S. Gulf and East Coasts it's
> > > these noisy idiots who come in and anchor right on
> > > top of me that causes me to make valid observations
> > > about them and the pathetic, self-centered nature
> > > of their lubberly actions.
> >
> > I'd agree with you totally. There is nothing worse than people running
> > generators or main motors to make electricity. But you can still run a
> > watermaker on 12v - the Katadyn 40E makes 15l/hour on 12v/5A and the
Livol
> > makes 30l/hour on 12v/8A, both of which can therefore easily be powered
by
> > solar and fan.
> >
>
>

Making water with a beer keg in 700 feet of water is meant
to be a parody. Making water with expensive reverse osmosis
energy hogs is about as stupid and impractical, or more so.

Typical lubber sailor attitude is bringing the shore power and
all the shore crap like showers out on the water where there
is no place for them. Think about the fact that rain comes out
of the sky. Think about the fact that all the fresh water one
could possibly need on a sailboat can be collected from that
which falls out of the sky. Anything else that makes noise
and disturbs others is an abomination.

S.Simon


"The Carrolls" <carroll@dundee.net> wrote in message news:mcGdnQ9ImP1zVk6iRVn-iw@dundee.net...
> You once said you could make water with an old beer keg, membrane and
> waterdepth of over 700 feet. Didn't need electricity at all, according to
> you.
> "Simple Simon" <Pieman@Mincemeat.com> wrote in message
> newsbedndkPcbATOU6iRVn-gw@terranova.net...
> > But that idiot was talking about 50 to 100 liters a day per person
> > with four persons aboard.
> >
> > Making that much water takes a generator to provide that kind of energy.
> >
> > S.Simon
> >
> >
> > "Ric" <spam@off.com> wrote in message
> news:br01bd$11k$1@news-reader2.wanadoo.fr...
> > >
> > > "Simple Simon" <Pieman@Mincemeat.com> wrote in message
> > > news:g5adnZAlcenVok6iRVn-tw@terranova.net...
> > > >
> > > > If you ever did anything but hang out here and post
> > > > inane thoughts you might realize that when I get
> > > > settled down in a nice, quiet, snug anchorage after
> > > > a day's cruising be it in the Bahamas, the Keys
> > > > or anywhere along the U.S. Gulf and East Coasts it's
> > > > these noisy idiots who come in and anchor right on
> > > > top of me that causes me to make valid observations
> > > > about them and the pathetic, self-centered nature
> > > > of their lubberly actions.
> > >
> > > I'd agree with you totally. There is nothing worse than people running
> > > generators or main motors to make electricity. But you can still run a
> > > watermaker on 12v - the Katadyn 40E makes 15l/hour on 12v/5A and the
> Livol
> > > makes 30l/hour on 12v/8A, both of which can therefore easily be powered
> by
> > > solar and fan.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 20:06:49 -0500, "Simple Simon" <Pieman@Mincemeat.com> wrote:
> Anything else that makes noise
>and disturbs others is an abomination.
>
>S.Simon
>

That explains you completely.

BB

The best one made, but made no longer, was produced in Bellingham, WA. A
simple still and condensor system with fitting to attach to a pressure
cooker. The coil, exiting from the center made every increasing circles and
ended up pointing down into the receiving unit (glass, cup, what have you),
The twist was a series of square fins slid over the coil. Each one had a
die punched hole in the center which caused a slight turn so as to follow
the coil. This die punched center also allowed a metal to metal fit with
the coil that encourage the transfer of heat energy from steam to coil
tubing wall to fins. A nice flow of air over the 16-18" diamerter by 4"
high saucer shaped device increased efficiency. Using the pressure cooker
increased time needed and efficiency as well. For a small amount of fuel
one could produce 1 gallon of water per hour. Water was pure too! Never
could figure out why they went of production and business. Maybe Ole Thom
can track it down since he's from that area? Anyway I had mine made from
scratch and included the pressure cooker device in the coupling that keeps
it closed until a certain temperature state is reached; i.e. evaporation.
If it cools the device closes. Haven't reached one gallon per hour but
nearer 3/4 gallon. Neat thing is when it starts working efficiently the end
flow is almost a steady stream not the expected dripdrip drip etc.

MST

On 7 Dec 2003 13:41:57 -0800, steelredcloud@yahoo.com (Joe) wrote:

>Peter <Peter@> wrote in message news:<9rhvsvsooseduub00d6socq9f4tvhat4ub@4ax.com>. ..
>
> Nice looking vessel Peter. When you say it is a "Roberts Mauritius"
>design are you talking about Bruce Roberts?

Thank you. Yes, "Hinewai"s a Bruce Roberts design.

Is your Red Cloud the one that appears at

http://www.sailinglinks.com/images/RedCloud.jpg

?

You mention in your previous post a product called "ends rust", but a
Google doesn't find it. Any idea who makes it?

(Like all steel boat owners, we're always intesterested in new rust
treatments).

We use a Loctitie product - Extend. It's great at the rust treatment,
but if you don't prepare the treated surface well afterwards, the
paint adhesion can be pretty poor.
>
> PS I hope you do not have to tear up to much of the interior to
>remove the tank tops!
>
We did!

All the best

Peter & Jean

PS Interesting comment you made re- keeping the tanks full. For the
last year, our club's marina's been being rebuit and we've had no
water. So we tended to let the tanks empty before filling up
elsewhere. I truely was staggered at how quickly the rust appeared -
it wasn't deep pitting, but a surface rust which had just woked its
way under the paint system. Dry could be why.

www.oceanodyssey.net
"Do not measure your life by the number of breaths you take,
Rather by the number of times life just takes your breath away"
>
>
>

On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:50:39 -0000, "garry crothers"
<gcrothers@nospam.shelob.net> wrote:

>A quick search on ebay brought up a number of cat pumps, not sure what one
>you would need for you specification but what about this for example
>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...ategory=10 13
>
><Couldnt resist>......
>
>garry
>

Thank you - I needed a smile after today.


Slight problem though. Jean was looking over my shoulder when i
clicked the link and guess what she now wants for Christmas. And i
wanted to give her a watermaker.

P

www.oceanodyssey.net
"Do not measure your life by the number of breaths you take,
Rather by the number of times life just takes your breath away"

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:26:55 -0500, "Jeff Morris"
<jeffmo@nospam-at-all-sv-loki.com> wrote:

>The last time we passed your mooring we were doing 9 knots under sail
>(Lignumvitae key to Coconut Grove), The miasma was so overpowering we turned on
>the engines to gain an extra knot.
>
>It is true that anyone with a draft of more than about 4 feet would be happier
>with the outside route, Hawk Channel.

To avoid the artificial reef caused by ten years of empty rum bottles
and rusting soup tins laying on the seabed in the vicinity of Simple
Simon?
--
Martin

They work real good for making a fine moonshine also.
"Schoonertrash" <sefjern@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3fd437f1_2@127.0.0.1...
> The best one made, but made no longer, was produced in Bellingham, WA. A
> simple still and condensor system with fitting to attach to a pressure
> cooker. The coil, exiting from the center made every increasing circles
and
> ended up pointing down into the receiving unit (glass, cup, what have
you),
> The twist was a series of square fins slid over the coil. Each one had a
> die punched hole in the center which caused a slight turn so as to follow
> the coil. This die punched center also allowed a metal to metal fit with
> the coil that encourage the transfer of heat energy from steam to coil
> tubing wall to fins. A nice flow of air over the 16-18" diamerter by 4"
> high saucer shaped device increased efficiency. Using the pressure cooker
> increased time needed and efficiency as well. For a small amount of fuel
> one could produce 1 gallon of water per hour. Water was pure too! Never
> could figure out why they went of production and business. Maybe Ole Thom
> can track it down since he's from that area? Anyway I had mine made from
> scratch and included the pressure cooker device in the coupling that keeps
> it closed until a certain temperature state is reached; i.e. evaporation.
> If it cools the device closes. Haven't reached one gallon per hour but
> nearer 3/4 gallon. Neat thing is when it starts working efficiently the
end
> flow is almost a steady stream not the expected dripdrip drip etc.
>
> MST
>
>

Peter <Peter@> wrote in message news:<nbd8tvs8tckh9c5481j5u39sillqn05ekq@4ax.com
> ?
>
> You mention in your previous post a product called "ends rust", but a
> Google doesn't find it. Any idea who makes it?

Not sure if my other post worked. A local is repackaging it as
endsallrust but the link is :
http://www.interstateproducts.com/rustkiller.htm


>
> (Like all steel boat owners, we're always intesterested in new rust
> treatments).
>