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Tall Ships Youth Trust is to sell one of its brigs
Tall Ships Youth Trust is to sell one of its brigs
The Tall Ships Youth Trust is to sell one of its brigs and buy four of the Challenge yachts. They cite lack of funds and although I have not seen the actual release they will sail the four yachts in company and call them Tall Ship Challenge 1 to 4. This winter they will stick one brig against the wall and take the other to the Caribbean. The four yachts will winter in the Canaries. |
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"CJB" <chrisjbrady@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1187864664.062210.37910@i13g2000prf.googlegro ups.com... > Tall Ships Youth Trust is to sell one of its brigs > > The Tall Ships Youth Trust is to sell one of its brigs and buy four of > the Challenge yachts. > > They cite lack of funds and although I have not seen the actual > release they will sail the four yachts in company and call them Tall > Ship Challenge 1 to 4. > > This winter they will stick one brig against the wall and take the > other to the Caribbean. The four yachts will winter in the Canaries. > A 'brig' is the term used for a prison. You know like, "Throw the bastard into the brig!" Buck up there, man! Call a spade a spade. It's a 'brigantine.' Wilbur Hubbard |
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
> A 'brig' is the term used for a prison. You know like, "Throw the > bastard into the brig!" Buck up there, man! Call a spade a spade. It's > a 'brigantine.' Not so. They are brigs (square rigged on both masts). Brigantines are square rigged only on the fore mast. That's what it says on Wikipeia at any rate, which cannot always be taken for gospel, but ought to be good enough for you. |
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On 2007-08-23 09:33:08 -0700, Ronald Raygun
<no.spam@localhost.localdomain> said: > Wilbur Hubbard wrote: > >> A 'brig' is the term used for a prison. You know like, "Throw the >> bastard into the brig!" Buck up there, man! Call a spade a spade. It's >> a 'brigantine.' > > Not so. They are brigs (square rigged on both masts). Brigantines > are square rigged only on the fore mast. Yep, a brig is a two-master with the forward mast shorter than the after. If the forward mast is taller it's a ketch. (Unless the mizzen is behind the rudder post, then it's a yawl.) Just like the brig/brigantine distinction, a barque is a three-masted ship square-rigged on the main and fore, while a barquentine is only square-rigged on the fore. Someone once told me that the boat name and the term for a prison were etymologically related, maybe from using ship hulks for prisons, but I can't find any verification of that. -D |
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Dave wrote:
> On 2007-08-23 09:33:08 -0700, Ronald Raygun > <no.spam@localhost.localdomain> said: > >> Wilbur Hubbard wrote: >> >>> A 'brig' is the term used for a prison. You know like, "Throw the >>> bastard into the brig!" Buck up there, man! Call a spade a spade. It's >>> a 'brigantine.' >> >> Not so. They are brigs (square rigged on both masts). Brigantines >> are square rigged only on the fore mast. > > Yep, a brig is a two-master with the forward mast shorter than the > after. If the forward mast is taller it's a ketch. (Unless the mizzen > is behind the rudder post, then it's a yawl.) If the fore mast is shorter than the main it could also be a schooner. I gather the distinction between that and a brigantine is that the schooner has no square sails at all. Would you have a ketch/yawl with square sails? |
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"Ronald Raygun" <no.spam@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message news:8Fizi.1136$c_1.317@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ... > Wilbur Hubbard wrote: > >> A 'brig' is the term used for a prison. You know like, "Throw the >> bastard into the brig!" Buck up there, man! Call a spade a spade. >> It's >> a 'brigantine.' > > Not so. They are brigs (square rigged on both masts). Brigantines > are square rigged only on the fore mast. > > That's what it says on Wikipeia at any rate, which cannot always be > taken for gospel, but ought to be good enough for you. > Is that your final answer? I hope not because a brigantine is a two-masted, square-rigged ship with fore and aft mainsail. A 'brig' is a lubberly shortening of the word 'brigantine.' Wilbur Hubbard |
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Ronald Raygun <no.spam@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
> Dave wrote: > > Yep, a brig is a two-master with the forward mast shorter than the > > after. If the forward mast is taller it's a ketch. (Unless the mizzen > > is behind the rudder post, then it's a yawl.) > > If the fore mast is shorter than the main it could also be a schooner. ISTR that http://www.mari-cha4.com/ causes some confusion in that it's described as a schooner because although both masts are the same *length*, the foremast has slightly greater rake, so is *lower*.... BICBW, Alan -- 99 Ducati 748BP, 95 Ducati 600SS, 81 Guzzi Monza, 74 MV Agusta 350 "Ride to Work, Work to Ride" SI# 7.067 DoD#1930 PGP Key 0xBDED56C5 |
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
> "Ronald Raygun" <no.spam@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message > news:8Fizi.1136$c_1.317@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ... >> Wilbur Hubbard wrote: >> >>> A 'brig' is the term used for a prison. You know like, "Throw the >>> bastard into the brig!" Buck up there, man! Call a spade a spade. >>> It's a 'brigantine.' >> >> Not so. They are brigs (square rigged on both masts). Brigantines >> are square rigged only on the fore mast. >> >> That's what it says on Wikipeia at any rate, which cannot always be >> taken for gospel, but ought to be good enough for you. > > Is that your final answer? What is this, "Who Wants to be a Millionaire"? > I hope not because a brigantine is a two-masted, square-rigged ship with > fore and aft mainsail. A 'brig' is a lubberly shortening of the word > 'brigantine.' A proper brig is a two masted vessel with square sails on the fore mast and on the aft mast. It's a brigantine if there are square sails only on the fore mast. The word "brig" is *also* sometimes used as short for a brigantine. I know of no evidence to support your allegation that this shortening is "lubberly". But it does mean that when you use the term "brig" without further clarification, it is ambiguous. The two TSYT ships (if you can be bothered to look them up) carry square sails on both masts and are therefore proper brigs and *not* brigantines. Technically, I suppose, it is wrong to call them "ships". |
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
> > I hope not because a brigantine is a two-masted, square-rigged ship with > fore and aft mainsail. A 'brig' is a lubberly shortening of the word > 'brigantine.' > > Wilbur Hubbard http://www.answers.com/brig&r=67 Note that the first definition is from the *American* heritage dictionary (so this is not your language being differnt!), and it has a link to brigantine with the description of the different rig. Andy |
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"Andy Champ" <no.way@nospam.com> wrote in message news:_8ednT9oVPI0eVDbRVnyvwA@pipex.net... > Wilbur Hubbard wrote: >> >> I hope not because a brigantine is a two-masted, square-rigged ship >> with fore and aft mainsail. A 'brig' is a lubberly shortening of the >> word 'brigantine.' >> >> Wilbur Hubbard > > http://www.answers.com/brig&r=67 > > Note that the first definition is from the *American* heritage > dictionary (so this is not your language being differnt!), and it has > a link to brigantine with the description of the different rig. > > Andy Wrong! Let me repeat. A brigantine is a two masted vessel, square-rigged but with fore and aft mainsail. http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/d.../d0002703.html http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/brigantine http://www.geocities.com/cjstein_2000/dictionary.html#B note: a gaff sail is a fore and aft sail. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Wilbur Hubbard" <wilburhubbard@thefarm.invallid> wrote in message news:46cdf398$0$79276$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.oct anews.com... > > "Andy Champ" <no.way@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:_8ednT9oVPI0eVDbRVnyvwA@pipex.net... >> Wilbur Hubbard wrote: >>> >>> I hope not because a brigantine is a two-masted, square-rigged ship with >>> fore and aft mainsail. A 'brig' is a lubberly shortening of the word >>> 'brigantine.' >>> >>> Wilbur Hubbard >> >> http://www.answers.com/brig&r=67 >> >> Note that the first definition is from the *American* heritage dictionary >> (so this is not your language being differnt!), and it has a link to >> brigantine with the description of the different rig. >> >> Andy > > Wrong! Let me repeat. A brigantine is a two masted vessel, square-rigged > but with fore and aft mainsail. > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/d.../d0002703.html > > http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/brigantine > > http://www.geocities.com/cjstein_2000/dictionary.html#B > > note: a gaff sail is a fore and aft sail. > > Wilbur Hubbard There's little point in quoting references on the internet, most of them are plagiarised from other sources (for example, Google any of the phrases that support the above arguments, such as "A two-masted sailing ship, square-rigged on both masts." or "a two-Masted vessel with both masts square rigged. On the sternmost mast, the main mast, there is also a gaff sail.") I'm not convinced that there's a hard and fast definition. Sailing vessels are constantly evolving so they make the most of the extant sailing conditions, so having a brig (square rigged only) and adding a fore and aft sail (it's still a brig) seems perfectly reasonable. Alisdair |
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"Ronald Raygun" <no.spam@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message news:Gxjzi.1186$c_1.710@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ... > Dave wrote: > >> On 2007-08-23 09:33:08 -0700, Ronald Raygun >> <no.spam@localhost.localdomain> said: >> >>> Wilbur Hubbard wrote: >>> >>>> A 'brig' is the term used for a prison. You know like, "Throw the >>>> bastard into the brig!" Buck up there, man! Call a spade a spade. >>>> It's >>>> a 'brigantine.' >>> >>> Not so. They are brigs (square rigged on both masts). Brigantines >>> are square rigged only on the fore mast. >> >> Yep, a brig is a two-master with the forward mast shorter than the >> after. If the forward mast is taller it's a ketch. (Unless the mizzen >> is behind the rudder post, then it's a yawl.) > > If the fore mast is shorter than the main it could also be a schooner. > I gather the distinction between that and a brigantine is that the > schooner has no square sails at all. > > Would you have a ketch/yawl with square sails? http://www.sailbaltimore.org/shiptypes.htm |
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
> > "Andy Champ" <no.way@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:_8ednT9oVPI0eVDbRVnyvwA@pipex.net... >> Wilbur Hubbard wrote: >>> >>> I hope not because a brigantine is a two-masted, square-rigged ship >>> with fore and aft mainsail. A 'brig' is a lubberly shortening of the >>> word 'brigantine.' >>> >>> Wilbur Hubbard >> >> http://www.answers.com/brig&r=67 >> >> Note that the first definition is from the *American* heritage >> dictionary (so this is not your language being differnt!), and it has >> a link to brigantine with the description of the different rig. >> >> Andy > > Wrong! Let me repeat. A brigantine is a two masted vessel, square-rigged > but with fore and aft mainsail. > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/d.../d0002703.html > > > http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/brigantine > > http://www.geocities.com/cjstein_2000/dictionary.html#B > > note: a gaff sail is a fore and aft sail. > > Wilbur Hubbard Perhaps my snipping is innacurate, or perhaps you are trolling (and no, I am not referring to piscatorial activities) but it seems to me that the three links you have given all have seperate definitions for "Brig", and none of them suggest that it is merely "a lubberly shortening of the word 'brigantine' ". This has little to do with whether the Trust is correct to sell its vessel. Andy |
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On 23 Aug, 17:56, Dave <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> Yep, a brig is a two-master with the forward mast shorter than the > after. That's a schooner. Or can be. All these terms - brig, brigantine, schooner, ship, barque and so on - were pretty flexible, and meant little more than what the person using them meant. Ian |
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"Andy Champ" <no.way@nospam.com> wrote in message news:K5mdnUiOINJ-mVPbnZ2dnUVZ8rOdnZ2d@pipex.net... > Wilbur Hubbard wrote: >> >> "Andy Champ" <no.way@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:_8ednT9oVPI0eVDbRVnyvwA@pipex.net... >>> Wilbur Hubbard wrote: >>>> >>>> I hope not because a brigantine is a two-masted, square-rigged ship >>>> with fore and aft mainsail. A 'brig' is a lubberly shortening of >>>> the word 'brigantine.' >>>> >>>> Wilbur Hubbard >>> >>> http://www.answers.com/brig&r=67 >>> >>> Note that the first definition is from the *American* heritage >>> dictionary (so this is not your language being differnt!), and it >>> has a link to brigantine with the description of the different rig. >>> >>> Andy >> >> Wrong! Let me repeat. A brigantine is a two masted vessel, >> square-rigged but with fore and aft mainsail. >> http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/d.../d0002703.html >> http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/brigantine >> >> http://www.geocities.com/cjstein_2000/dictionary.html#B >> >> note: a gaff sail is a fore and aft sail. >> >> Wilbur Hubbard > > Perhaps my snipping is innacurate, or perhaps you are trolling (and > no, I am not referring to piscatorial activities) but it seems to me > that the three links you have given all have seperate definitions for > "Brig", and none of them suggest that it is merely "a lubberly > shortening of the word 'brigantine' ". > > This has little to do with whether the Trust is correct to sell its > vessel. > > Andy I Googled some pics of the Trust's brigs (they are brigs according to definition because the pictures showed they are both square-rigged on both masts with no fore-and-aft sails on the masts) and they are nice looking boats. But, whose to say the Trust doesn't have good reason to sell whatever boats they want to sell Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Wilbur Hubbard" <wilburhubbard@thefarm.invallid> wrote in message news:46ce1314$0$79258$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.oct anews.com... > > "Andy Champ" <no.way@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:K5mdnUiOINJ-mVPbnZ2dnUVZ8rOdnZ2d@pipex.net... > > Wilbur Hubbard wrote: > >> > >> "Andy Champ" <no.way@nospam.com> wrote in message > >> news:_8ednT9oVPI0eVDbRVnyvwA@pipex.net... > >>> Wilbur Hubbard wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I hope not because a brigantine is a two-masted, square-rigged ship > >>>> with fore and aft mainsail. A 'brig' is a lubberly shortening of > >>>> the word 'brigantine.' > >>>> > >>>> Wilbur Hubbard > >>> > >>> http://www.answers.com/brig&r=67 > >>> > >>> Note that the first definition is from the *American* heritage > >>> dictionary (so this is not your language being differnt!), and it > >>> has a link to brigantine with the description of the different rig. > >>> > >>> Andy > >> > >> Wrong! Let me repeat. A brigantine is a two masted vessel, > >> square-rigged but with fore and aft mainsail. > >> http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/d.../d0002703.html > >> http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/brigantine > >> > >> http://www.geocities.com/cjstein_2000/dictionary.html#B > >> > >> note: a gaff sail is a fore and aft sail. > >> > >> Wilbur Hubbard > > > > Perhaps my snipping is innacurate, or perhaps you are trolling (and > > no, I am not referring to piscatorial activities) but it seems to me > > that the three links you have given all have seperate definitions for > > "Brig", and none of them suggest that it is merely "a lubberly > > shortening of the word 'brigantine' ". > > > > This has little to do with whether the Trust is correct to sell its > > vessel. > > > > Andy > > I Googled some pics of the Trust's brigs (they are brigs according to > definition because the pictures showed they are both square-rigged on > both masts with no fore-and-aft sails on the masts) and they are nice > looking boats. But, whose to say the Trust doesn't have good reason to > sell whatever boats they want to sell > > Wilbur Hubbard > a rose by any other name would smell as sweet... ChrisR |
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On 2007-08-23 10:33:26 -0700, Ronald Raygun
<no.spam@localhost.localdomain> said: > Dave wrote: >> Yep, a brig is a two-master with the forward mast shorter than the >> after. If the forward mast is taller it's a ketch. (Unless the mizzen >> is behind the rudder post, then it's a yawl.) > > If the fore mast is shorter than the main it could also be a schooner. > I gather the distinction between that and a brigantine is that the > schooner has no square sails at all. Oh! I was going to mention schooners, too. A schooner can have a square topsail, but I guess it isn't a schooner any more if it has a square course. Now on to xebecs, carracks, smacks, and hoys.. -D |
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
> I Googled some pics of the Trust's brigs (they are brigs according to > definition because the pictures showed they are both square-rigged on > both masts with no fore-and-aft sails on the masts) and they are nice > looking boats. Must try harder on the old observational skills, matey. They *do* have a fore-and-aft sail on the after mast. It seems to be a common feature of virtualy all sizeable vessels of this era that at least the after mast always has at least one gaff sail. One must presume there must have been a technical reason for this. The distinction between brig and brigantine is simply whether the after mast is *exclusively* fore-and-aft or *also* has square sails. |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:33:37 GMT, Ronald Raygun <no.spam@localhost.localdomain>
wrote: >Wilbur Hubbard wrote: > >> I Googled some pics of the Trust's brigs (they are brigs according to >> definition because the pictures showed they are both square-rigged on >> both masts with no fore-and-aft sails on the masts) and they are nice >> looking boats. > >Must try harder on the old observational skills, matey. You must try harder to avoid the troll. Another topic hijacked. -- Martin |
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"Ronald Raygun" <no.spam@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message news:BJwzi.1468$c_1.818@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ... > Wilbur Hubbard wrote: > >> I Googled some pics of the Trust's brigs (they are brigs according to >> definition because the pictures showed they are both square-rigged on >> both masts with no fore-and-aft sails on the masts) and they are nice >> looking boats. > > Must try harder on the old observational skills, matey. > > They *do* have a fore-and-aft sail on the after mast. It seems to be > a common feature of virtualy all sizeable vessels of this era that at > least the after mast always has at least one gaff sail. One must > presume there must have been a technical reason for this. > > The distinction between brig and brigantine is simply whether the > after mast is *exclusively* fore-and-aft or *also* has square sails. > The photos I Googled showed both of them sailing together and neither on had a fore and aft sail on the mainmast. Both masts were square-rigged from top to bottom. http://www.tallshipsyouthtrust.net/d...t=693&doc=6823 This means they are rightly called 'brigs.' If they were fitted with a gaff mainsail at some time earlier or later then they should be called 'brigantines.' See the link with illustrations I posted further up this thread. I hope this helps. Wilbur Hubbard |
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
> The photos I Googled showed both of them sailing together and neither on > had a fore and aft sail on the mainmast. Both masts were square-rigged > from top to bottom. > > http://www.tallshipsyouthtrust.net/d...t=693&doc=6823 That picture shows them from ahead which makes it difficult to see whether the gaff sails on the main masts are present. Go to their homepage http://www.tallshipsyouthtrust.net and there is a photo of one of them from less directly ahead, where you can clearly see a gaff sail on the after mast (and the mainsail, i.e. the bottom-most square sail on the main mast, is present, but furled). On the menu along the left, click on "The Ships" (which takes you to the page you mentioned, with the photo of the two side by side), and then on "Our Tall Ships". This takes you to a page which contains a photo from the quarter, which makes it a bit clearer. On the same page there is also a sail plan with names, and the gaff sail is identified as a "spanker". > This means they are rightly called 'brigs.' We're agreed on that, at least. > If they were fitted with a > gaff mainsail at some time earlier or later then they should be called > 'brigantines.' Not if the gaff sails were there *as well as* the square sails. A brigantine has no (provision to set) square sails on the after mast at all, but if a brig (which of course has square sails on both masts) also carries a spanker (as it usually does), that doesn't make it a brigantine. |
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"Martin" <me@address.invalid> exhaled cannabis smoke and whined in message news:quhuc3la7trj3fea9kdadlo1s9ha3t5vn6@4ax.com... > > How come he hasn't been plonked by everybody on this side of the pond > too? > -- > > Martin > The better question is how come you haven't netKKKopped me again, Martin? Or maybe you have and it ain't working? If anybody should be kill filed it's you. What have you contributed to this thread that's on topic? Nothing! You're such a crank that it bothers you to see people discussing sailing in a sailing group? Pretty sad. Sod off! Wilbur Hubbard |
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
> "Ronald Raygun" <no.spam@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message > news  FJzi.1932$c_1.662@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...>> So what? We've already agreed they're brigs, not brigantines, and >> the owners also describe them as brigs. It's a matter of fact that >> they are equipped to carry up to five square sails on the main mast, >> and a spanker as well. > > No WE haven't established any such thing. We don't agree here. What do you disagree with? That the two TSYT ships are brigs, or that it's a fact that they can carry 5 squares and a spanker on their main masts? The TSYT website confirms both! > I say if it has a fore and aft mainsail then it's a brigantine. I'd agree. > You say it's a brig. No. > I say it's a brig only if it's square rigged all the way. I'd disagree. A spanker isn't a gaff mainsail, it's much smaller than a mainsail on a brigantine would be. I'm not sure what its exact purpose is, but I guess it may be to help keep the vessel out of irons should it attempt to tack other than by wearing ship. > I should have said you DO NOT use them both at the same time. The > picture of the two brigs sailing together So you *DO* agree they TSYT vessels are brigs. > clearly show square rigged on > both masts all the way to the deck. Indeed they do, but you can't tell from that picture whether the spankers are also set (or if not set, then at least present). Are you trying to imply that if they were, it would make a difference? Are you trying to imply that the other pictures (which show views from a better angle, and where you can see that the spanker *is* set and the square main is present but not set) are of brigantines? These other pictures are of (one of) the *same* ships! It doesn't change from being a brig to being a brigantine simply by putting up a different partial selection of its available sails, such as by setting the spanker, just like a cutter does not become a sloop when it takes down one of its two jibs. What makes it a brig is that it *has* a square mainsail (you say) or that it *has* any square sails on the main mast (I say) available to set, not whether it is (or they are) actually set at any particular moment, just as what makes a one-masted boat a cutter is that it *can* set two jibs. >> If it *can* fly *any* squaresails on the mainmast then it's not a >> brigantine but a brig. > > Wrong! the only thing that makes it a brigantine is the fact it carries > a gaff mainsail. If it carries no gaff mainsail then it's a brig. Then we disagree. The definitions I've seen refer to whether the main mast (which is the after mast) *is square rigged* (which I take to mean that it's capable of setting square sails), not whether it has a square mainsail (being the bottom sail on the main mast). Show me an authoritative independent definition which supports your version. |
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On 2007-08-24 17:33:32 -0700, "Wilbur Hubbard"
<wilburhubbard@thefarm.invallid> said: > Wrong! the only thing that makes it a brigantine is the fact it carries > a gaff mainsail. If it carries no gaff mainsail then it's a brig. Brig: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Washington |
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"Dave" <none@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:2007082522413516807-none@nowherecom... > On 2007-08-24 17:33:32 -0700, "Wilbur Hubbard" > <wilburhubbard@thefarm.invallid> said: > >> Wrong! the only thing that makes it a brigantine is the fact it >> carries a gaff mainsail. If it carries no gaff mainsail then it's a >> brig. > > Brig: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Washington > Nope! Since she carries a gaff mainsail that makes her a brigantine. Brigs carry ONLY square sails on both masts. Wilbur Hubbard |
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
> "Dave" <none@nowhere.com> wrote in message > news:2007082522413516807-none@nowherecom... >> On 2007-08-24 17:33:32 -0700, "Wilbur Hubbard" >> <wilburhubbard@thefarm.invallid> said: >>> Wrong! the only thing that makes it a brigantine is the fact it >>> carries a gaff mainsail. If it carries no gaff mainsail then it's a >>> brig. >> >> Brig: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Washington > > Nope! Since she carries a gaff mainsail that makes her a brigantine. > Brigs carry ONLY square sails on both masts. I don't believe this is true, and as you have failed to accede to my request for independent authoritaive corroboration of your mistaken interpretation, I conclude that you to take part in this discussion like a grown-up, and that I was wrong to give the benefit of the doubt, thinking that you might - for once - not be trolling. Your behaviour just doesn't cut the mustard. I should have listened to Martin! Goodbye. |
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Re: Tall Ships Youth Trust is to sell one of its brigs
"Ronald Raygun" <no.spam@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message news:rFmAi.3110$c_1.1867@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... > Wilbur Hubbard wrote: > >> "Dave" <none@nowhere.com> wrote in message >> news:2007082522413516807-none@nowherecom... >>> On 2007-08-24 17:33:32 -0700, "Wilbur Hubbard" >>> <wilburhubbard@thefarm.invallid> said: >>>> Wrong! the only thing that makes it a brigantine is the fact it >>>> carries a gaff mainsail. If it carries no gaff mainsail then it's a >>>> brig. >>> >>> Brig: >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Washington >> >> Nope! Since she carries a gaff mainsail that makes her a brigantine. >> Brigs carry ONLY square sails on both masts. > > I don't believe this is true, and as you have failed to accede to my > request for independent authoritaive corroboration of your mistaken > interpretation, I conclude that you to take part in this discussion > like a grown-up, and that I was wrong to give the benefit of the > doubt, thinking that you might - for once - not be trolling. > > Your behaviour just doesn't cut the mustard. I should have listened > to Martin! > > Goodbye. I guess you didn't bother reading the post way up the thread where I linked to three different dictionary definitions that support my contentions. Or, perhaps you did and you've concluded you lost the argument so you're acting like you're giving up because I didn't argue your way or do further research for you. Well, whoop-de-doo. Good riddance to ya. There are none so blind as those who will not see. Wilbur Hubbard |
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Re: Tall Ships Youth Trust is to sell one of its brigs
On Aug 26, 4:06 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" <wilburhubb...@thefarm.invallid>
wrote: > "Ronald Raygun" <no.s...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message > > news:rFmAi.3110$c_1.1867@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k... > > > > > Wilbur Hubbard wrote: > > >> "Dave" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote in message > >>news:2007082522413516807-none@nowherecom... > >>> On 2007-08-24 17:33:32 -0700, "Wilbur Hubbard" > >>> <wilburhubb...@thefarm.invallid> said: > >>>> Wrong! the only thing that makes it a brigantine is the fact it > >>>> carries a gaff mainsail. If it carries no gaff mainsail then it's a > >>>> brig. > > >>> Brig: > > >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Washington > > >> Nope! Since she carries a gaff mainsail that makes her a brigantine. > >> Brigs carry ONLY square sails on both masts. > > > I don't believe this is true, and as you have failed to accede to my > > request for independent authoritaive corroboration of your mistaken > > interpretation, I conclude that you to take part in this discussion > > like a grown-up, and that I was wrong to give the benefit of the > > doubt, thinking that you might - for once - not be trolling. > > > Your behaviour just doesn't cut the mustard. I should have listened > > to Martin! > > > Goodbye. > > I guess you didn't bother reading the post way up the thread where I > linked to three different dictionary definitions that support my > contentions. Or, perhaps you did and you've concluded you lost the > argument so you're acting like you're giving up because I didn't argue > your way or do further research for you. Well, whoop-de-doo. Good > riddance to ya. There are none so blind as those who will not see. > > Wilbur Hubbard Wilbur the Chapman guide and the Annapolis guide to seamanship both say you are wrong. Plus a Spanker is not a mainsail. It's a brig even if it has a for-and-aft rigged sail as long as it is not the main. When I get home I will try to remember to get the exact verbiage. |
