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On 11 Aug, 09:40, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:54:11 -0700, broadssailor <graham.trimmer@tiscali.co.uk>
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>>The British officials involved were clearly not "of the European >>persuasion" . UKIP perhaps? > > or vigilantes? > > google groups and the Times made a real mess of that. I don't suppose any of us would condone their behaviour, but it's the big ships proceeding at speed that made their crossing dangerous, not the act itself. Thor Heyerdahl sailed across the Pacific in little more than a raft and he was hailed a hero for it. If these guys were sailing they had a right of way over powered craft didn't they? If not, then the colregs are not worth the paper they are written on. Before anyone accuses me of supporting their foolishness, I'm trying to provoke a discussion. TonyB |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:16:41 +0100, "TonyB" <hatt.j.bennett@tesco.net>
wrote: > >>>The British officials involved were clearly not "of the European >>>persuasion" . UKIP perhaps? >> >> or vigilantes? >> >> google groups and the Times made a real mess of that. > > >I don't suppose any of us would condone their behaviour, >but it's the big ships proceeding at speed that made their crossing >dangerous, not the act itself. > >Thor Heyerdahl sailed across the Pacific in little more than a raft >and he was hailed a hero for it. > >If these guys were sailing they had a right of way over powered craft didn't >they? No. >If not, then the colregs are not worth the paper they are written on. > >Before anyone accuses me of supporting their foolishness, I'm trying to >provoke a discussion. > >TonyB |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:16:41 +0100, "TonyB" <hatt.j.bennett@tesco.net>
wrote: > >>>The British officials involved were clearly not "of the European >>>persuasion" . UKIP perhaps? >> >> or vigilantes? >> >> google groups and the Times made a real mess of that. > > >I don't suppose any of us would condone their behaviour, >but it's the big ships proceeding at speed that made their crossing >dangerous, not the act itself. > >Thor Heyerdahl sailed across the Pacific in little more than a raft >and he was hailed a hero for it. > >If these guys were sailing they had a right of way over powered craft didn't >they? >If not, then the colregs are not worth the paper they are written on. They can get a bit funny about a TSS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4978760.stm > >Before anyone accuses me of supporting their foolishness, I'm trying to >provoke a discussion. > >TonyB |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:16:41 +0100, "TonyB" <hatt.j.bennett@tesco.net> wrote:
> >>>The British officials involved were clearly not "of the European >>>persuasion" . UKIP perhaps? >> >> or vigilantes? >> >> google groups and the Times made a real mess of that. > > >I don't suppose any of us would condone their behaviour, >but it's the big ships proceeding at speed that made their crossing >dangerous, not the act itself. I assume you noticed the two reports were almost the same? -- Martin |
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>>> google groups and the Times made a real mess of that.
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On 11 Aug, 09:40, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2230014.ece "Mr Clark added that it was essential that anyone who wished to cross the Channel - which is used by up to 500 ships a day - sought permission from authorities on both sides of the water." Oh yeah? Sez what? Ian |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:29:10 +0100, "TonyB" <hatt.j.bennett@tesco.net> wrote:
>>>> google groups and the Times made a real mess of that. >>> >>> >>>I don't suppose any of us would condone their behaviour, >>>but it's the big ships proceeding at speed that made their crossing >>>dangerous, not the act itself. >> >> I assume you noticed the two reports were almost the same? > > >Yes, but on two different dates! both out of today's online Times. -- Martin |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:34:06 +0100, "TonyB" <hatt.j.bennett@tesco.net>
wrote: >> >> They can get a bit funny about a TSS: >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4978760.stm >> > >Yes, I'm lamenting the loss of freedom to sail >without all the blasted paperwork that goes with it >these days. > >Can't sail up my local river because they've put a >bridge across it. So much for navigation rights. >TonyB I get claustrophobic if I don"t have more than 100 square miles to myself. |
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>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2230014.ece
> > "Mr Clark added that it was essential that anyone who wished to cross > the Channel - which is used by up to 500 ships a day - sought > permission from authorities on both sides of the water." > Oh yeah? Sez what? But why, and where from? I don't get anyone's permission to cross to Cherbourg in my boat. (Apart from the wife, that is) Am I that reckless and anti-establishment? A |
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You have been lucky then, as you are supposed to tell the coastguard when
ccrossing. -- Yrs Quilly http://quilljar.users.btopenworld.com/gall.html "Adam H" <adam.t.harvey@REMOVEntlworld.com> wrote in message news:mOzvi.21224$6z6.10978@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net... >>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2230014.ece >> >> "Mr Clark added that it was essential that anyone who wished to cross >> the Channel - which is used by up to 500 ships a day - sought >> permission from authorities on both sides of the water." >> Oh yeah? Sez what? > > But why, and where from? > > I don't get anyone's permission to cross to Cherbourg in my boat. (Apart > from the wife, that is) Am I that reckless and anti-establishment? > > A > |
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On 12 Aug, 12:35, "Quilljar" <N...@home.today> wrote:
> "Adam H" <adam.t.har...@REMOVEntlworld.com> wrote in message > >> "Mr Clark added that it was essential that anyone who wished to cross > >> the Channel - which is used by up to 500 ships a day - sought > >> permission from authorities on both sides of the water." > >> Oh yeah? Sez what? > > > But why, and where from? > > > I don't get anyone's permission to cross to Cherbourg in my boat. (Apart > > from the wife, that is) Am I that reckless and anti-establishment? > You have been lucky then, as you are supposed to tell the coastguard when > ccrossing. Supposed by whom, or by what legislation? Ian |
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On 11 Aug, 09:40, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2230014.ece I'm not surprised they weren't even charged. AFAIK Radio, Flares and life saving equipment are not legal requirements. I didn't realize you had to get permission to cross a TSS. (Anyone got a soucre for this? Who from?) All in all a story about nothing. A pair cross the channel in an unorthadox way as countless people have done before. There's no law against what they did so they were released without charge. A non story. |
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"Ian" <ian.groups@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:1186861550.319728.10410@g4g2000hsf.googlegrou ps.com... > On 11 Aug, 09:40, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote: > >> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2230014.ece > > "Mr Clark added that it was essential that anyone who wished to cross > the Channel - which is used by up to 500 ships a day - sought > permission from authorities on both sides of the water." > > Oh yeah? Sez what? > > Ian The 'owners' of the territorial waters on each side, i.e. British & French Governments. Channel swims happen throughout the summer, but are OK because the Channel Swimming & Piloting Federation coordinate with the MCA & French CG, who cooperate as well as they can. But don't forget these organisations are trying to conduct Europe's busiest shipping lanes without accidents, so they do need a bit of cooperation from eccentrics who want to do their own thing regardless of the needs of the majority. |
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"toad" <toad_oftoadhall@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:1186987913.442497.216340@x35g2000prf.googlegr oups.com... > On 11 Aug, 09:40, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote: ? > Who from?) All in all a story about nothing. A pair cross the channel > in an unorthadox way as countless people have done before. There's no > law against what they did so they were released without charge. A non > story. > Apparntly the French authorities think differently: http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga-hm..._crossings.htm so you can't leave France for the UK but you can leave the UK for France? |
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On 12 Aug, 15:35, "Duncan Heenan"
<pleasenospammersduncanhee...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > "Ian" <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> wrote in message > > news:1186861550.319728.10410@g4g2000hsf.googlegrou ps.com... > > > On 11 Aug, 09:40, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote: > > >>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2230014.ece > > > "Mr Clark added that it was essential that anyone who wished to cross > > the Channel - which is used by up to 500 ships a day - sought > > permission from authorities on both sides of the water." > > > Oh yeah? Sez what? > The 'owners' of the territorial waters on each side, i.e. British & French > Governments. How many people here apply for permission to cross the channel? How does one go about doing so? Ian |
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On 13 Aug, 14:02, Ian <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 12 Aug, 15:35, "Duncan Heenan" > > > > > > <pleasenospammersduncanhee...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > > "Ian" <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> wrote in message > > >news:1186861550.319728.10410@g4g2000hsf.googlegro ups.com... > > > > On 11 Aug, 09:40, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote: > > > >>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2230014.ece > > > > "Mr Clark added that it was essential that anyone who wished to cross > > > the Channel - which is used by up to 500 ships a day - sought > > > permission from authorities on both sides of the water." > > > > Oh yeah? Sez what? > > The 'owners' of the territorial waters on each side, i.e. British & French > > Governments. > > How many people here apply for permission to cross the channel? How > does one go about doing so? I've never heard of such a requirement and nobody has yet quoted it. (Funny how often people on UKRS claim to be aware of legislation yet unable to cite it.) Mind you, I haven't ever crossed the TSS between Dover and Calais so maybe you do. It's certainly been kept very quiet. |
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"toad" <toad_oftoadhall@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:1187011066.518354.15910@r34g2000hsd.googlegro ups.com... > On 13 Aug, 14:02, Ian <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> wrote: >> On 12 Aug, 15:35, "Duncan Heenan" >> >> >> >> >> >> <pleasenospammersduncanhee...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >> > "Ian" <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> wrote in message >> >> >news:1186861550.319728.10410@g4g2000hsf.googlegro ups.com... >> >> > > On 11 Aug, 09:40, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote: >> >> > >>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2230014.ece >> >> > > "Mr Clark added that it was essential that anyone who wished to cross >> > > the Channel - which is used by up to 500 ships a day - sought >> > > permission from authorities on both sides of the water." >> >> > > Oh yeah? Sez what? >> > The 'owners' of the territorial waters on each side, i.e. British & >> > French >> > Governments. >> >> How many people here apply for permission to cross the channel? How >> does one go about doing so? > > I've never heard of such a requirement and nobody has yet quoted it. > (Funny how often people on UKRS claim to be aware of legislation yet > unable to cite it.) > > Mind you, I haven't ever crossed the TSS between Dover and Calais so > maybe you do. It's certainly been kept very quiet. > I have crossed the channel more times than I care to remember on my own and other people's boats. I have never known anyone ask permission to cross the channel in a small yacht. I know people who have called HMCG to report their passage plan and start and finish of passage but that was not mandatory but voluntary afaik. ChrisR |
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"Ian" <ian.groups@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:1187010132.456975.141660@57g2000hsv.googlegro ups.com... > On 12 Aug, 15:35, "Duncan Heenan" > <pleasenospammersduncanhee...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >> "Ian" <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> wrote in message >> >> news:1186861550.319728.10410@g4g2000hsf.googlegrou ps.com... >> >> > On 11 Aug, 09:40, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote: >> >> >>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2230014.ece >> >> > "Mr Clark added that it was essential that anyone who wished to cross >> > the Channel - which is used by up to 500 ships a day - sought >> > permission from authorities on both sides of the water." >> >> > Oh yeah? Sez what? > >> The 'owners' of the territorial waters on each side, i.e. British & >> French >> Governments. > > How many people here apply for permission to cross the channel? How > does one go about doing so? > > Ian > I believe the requirement only relates to unusual craft / modes, such as bath tubs or swimmers. |
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On 14 Aug, 06:54, "Duncan Heenan"
> I believe the requirement only relates to unusual craft / modes, such as > bath tubs or swimmers. Thank you. Ian |
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"Ian" <ian.groups@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:1187078790.580402.140480@w3g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com... > On 14 Aug, 06:54, "Duncan Heenan" > > > I believe the requirement only relates to unusual craft / modes, such as > > bath tubs or swimmers. > > Thank you. > > Ian > > A bathtub (with the plug inserted) could be classified as a "ship" according to this site which also refers to other issues such as common law right of navigation on tidal waters etc http://webjcli.ncl.ac.uk/2006/issue2/grant2.html makes interesting reading........ ChrisR |
