Sailing vocabulary

Hi,

Just a quick question to you good people. This was prompted via a
crossword clue for a different word - the background is a bit tangled
and not relevant to this question.

I have looked at various online "sailing vocabularies" and asked
various sailing friends but come up with no answer.

I am trying to remember the verb that describes how a dinghy or
yacht is moving when powered by the motor rather than the sail - when,
for example, manoeuvering in a marina or harbour.

The tip of my brain is suggesting a word beginning with "b" or "p"
or "m". My so-called friends have suggested "motor" or even "putter"
but I think they are being silly. Is there such a word for powering
and controlling a sail boat under the control of an outboard or
inboard motor or have I completely lost it?

Thanks

Clive

Clive wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just a quick question to you good people. This was prompted via a
> crossword clue for a different word - the background is a bit tangled
> and not relevant to this question.
>
> I have looked at various online "sailing vocabularies" and asked
> various sailing friends but come up with no answer.
>
> I am trying to remember the verb that describes how a dinghy or
> yacht is moving when powered by the motor rather than the sail - when,
> for example, manoeuvering in a marina or harbour.
>
> The tip of my brain is suggesting a word beginning with "b" or "p"
> or "m". My so-called friends have suggested "motor" or even "putter"
> but I think they are being silly. Is there such a word for powering
> and controlling a sail boat under the control of an outboard or
> inboard motor or have I completely lost it?

I have always refered to that as "motoring" (which fits in with
"motor-sailing"). There may be some other more peculiar terms for it
out there, but none that I have encountered.

Robin

Clive <clive_long@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I am trying to remember the verb that describes how a dinghy or
> yacht is moving when powered by the motor rather than the sail - when,
> for example, manoeuvering in a marina or harbour.
>
> The tip of my brain is suggesting a word beginning with "b" or "p"
> or "m". My so-called friends have suggested "motor" or even "putter"
> but I think they are being silly. Is there such a word for powering
> and controlling a sail boat under the control of an outboard or
> inboard motor or have I completely lost it?

We've always referred to it as "driving".
"It's only half a mile round to the beach, shall we sail or just drive
round there?"

--
Pd

Pootling?

On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:59:58 -0700, Clive <clive_long@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Hi,
>
> Just a quick question to you good people. This was prompted via a
>crossword clue for a different word - the background is a bit tangled
>and not relevant to this question.
>
> I have looked at various online "sailing vocabularies" and asked
>various sailing friends but come up with no answer.
>
> I am trying to remember the verb that describes how a dinghy or
>yacht is moving when powered by the motor rather than the sail - when,
>for example, manoeuvering in a marina or harbour.
>
> The tip of my brain is suggesting a word beginning with "b" or "p"
>or "m". My so-called friends have suggested "motor" or even "putter"
>but I think they are being silly. Is there such a word for powering
>and controlling a sail boat under the control of an outboard or
>inboard motor or have I completely lost it?

From Colregs

The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by
machinery.

Jack

_________________________________________
Jack Dale
ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor
CYA Advanced Cruising Instructor
http://www.swiftsuresailing.com
_________________________________________

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:02:58 GMT, Jack Dale <jackdale@telus.net>
wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:59:58 -0700, Clive <clive_long@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>> Just a quick question to you good people. This was prompted via a
>>crossword clue for a different word - the background is a bit tangled
>>and not relevant to this question.
>>
>> I have looked at various online "sailing vocabularies" and asked
>>various sailing friends but come up with no answer.
>>
>> I am trying to remember the verb that describes how a dinghy or
>>yacht is moving when powered by the motor rather than the sail - when,
>>for example, manoeuvering in a marina or harbour.
>>
>> The tip of my brain is suggesting a word beginning with "b" or "p"
>>or "m". My so-called friends have suggested "motor" or even "putter"
>>but I think they are being silly. Is there such a word for powering
>>and controlling a sail boat under the control of an outboard or
>>inboard motor or have I completely lost it?
>
>From Colregs
>
>The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by
>machinery.
>

So, to pull this a little off topic, are oars machinery?

--
Alastair

In message <46b19c91.1922640@news.metronet.co.uk>, Alastair
<alastair@as4jg.freeuk.com> writes
>On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:02:58 GMT, Jack Dale <jackdale@telus.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:59:58 -0700, Clive <clive_long@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>> Just a quick question to you good people. This was prompted via a
>>>crossword clue for a different word - the background is a bit tangled
>>>and not relevant to this question.
>>>
>>> I have looked at various online "sailing vocabularies" and asked
>>>various sailing friends but come up with no answer.
>>>
>>> I am trying to remember the verb that describes how a dinghy or
>>>yacht is moving when powered by the motor rather than the sail - when,
>>>for example, manoeuvering in a marina or harbour.
>>>
>>> The tip of my brain is suggesting a word beginning with "b" or "p"
>>>or "m". My so-called friends have suggested "motor" or even "putter"
>>>but I think they are being silly. Is there such a word for powering
>>>and controlling a sail boat under the control of an outboard or
>>>inboard motor or have I completely lost it?
>>
>>From Colregs
>>
>>The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by
>>machinery.
>>
>
>So, to pull this a little off topic, are oars machinery?
>

Yes

>
>--
>Alastair

--
Spike

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 09:01:25 GMT, alastair@as4jg.freeuk.com (Alastair) wrote:

>On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:02:58 GMT, Jack Dale <jackdale@telus.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:59:58 -0700, Clive <clive_long@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>> Just a quick question to you good people. This was prompted via a
>>>crossword clue for a different word - the background is a bit tangled
>>>and not relevant to this question.
>>>
>>> I have looked at various online "sailing vocabularies" and asked
>>>various sailing friends but come up with no answer.
>>>
>>> I am trying to remember the verb that describes how a dinghy or
>>>yacht is moving when powered by the motor rather than the sail - when,
>>>for example, manoeuvering in a marina or harbour.
>>>
>>> The tip of my brain is suggesting a word beginning with "b" or "p"
>>>or "m". My so-called friends have suggested "motor" or even "putter"
>>>but I think they are being silly. Is there such a word for powering
>>>and controlling a sail boat under the control of an outboard or
>>>inboard motor or have I completely lost it?
>>
>>From Colregs
>>
>>The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by
>>machinery.
>>
>
>So, to pull this a little off topic, are oars machinery?

Only if they row themselves...

On 2 Aug, 11:41, jimi...@cricket.com wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 09:01:25 GMT, alast...@as4jg.freeuk.com (Alastair) wrote:
> >On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:02:58 GMT, Jack Dale <jackd...@telus.net>
> >wrote:
>
> >>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:59:58 -0700, Clive <clive_l...@yahoo.com>
> >>wrote:
>
> >>>Hi,
>
> >>> Just a quick question to you good people. This was prompted via a
> >>>crossword clue for a different word - the background is a bit tangled
> >>>and not relevant to this question.
>
> >>> I have looked at various online "sailing vocabularies" and asked
> >>>various sailing friends but come up with no answer.
>
> >>> I am trying to remember the verb that describes how a dinghy or
> >>>yacht is moving when powered by the motor rather than the sail - when,
> >>>for example, manoeuvering in a marina or harbour.
>
> >>> The tip of my brain is suggesting a word beginning with "b" or "p"
> >>>or "m". My so-called friends have suggested "motor" or even "putter"
> >>>but I think they are being silly. Is there such a word for powering
> >>>and controlling a sail boat under the control of an outboard or
> >>>inboard motor or have I completely lost it?
>
> >>From Colregs
>
> >>The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by
> >>machinery.
>
> >So, to pull this a little off topic, are oars machinery?
>
> Only if they row themselves...

I hate it when they do that.

In article <46b19c91.1922640@news.metronet.co.uk>, Alastair
<URL:mailto:alastair@as4jg.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:02:58 GMT, Jack Dale <jackdale@telus.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:59:58 -0700, Clive <clive_long@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:

> >> I am trying to remember the verb that describes how a dinghy or
> >>yacht is moving when powered by the motor rather than the sail - when,

> >The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by
> >machinery.
> >
>
> So, to pull this a little off topic, are oars machinery?

No, they are machines, not machinery. Vessels under oars are placed in their
own category.

On the South Coast skippers of small commercial vessels, when under
(powered) way, describe themselves as 'steaming' even when the plant is, for
eg., diesel.

Cheerio,

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Derek Moody wrote:
>>
>> So, to pull this a little off topic, are oars machinery?
>
> No, they are machines, not machinery. Vessels under oars are placed in their
> own category.
>
Where do the colregs define machinery in such a way as to exclude oars?

They certainly mention oars under lights.

Dave
--
(Remove any numerics from my email address.)

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 09:01:25 GMT, alastair@as4jg.freeuk.com (Alastair)
wrote:

>
>So, to pull this a little off topic, are oars machinery?

Oars are machines, levers, but they are propelled by humans.

Jack

In article <f8sl80$ej5$1@aioe.org>, Dave Royal
<URL:mailto

ave@Dave123Royal.com> wrote:
> Derek Moody wrote:
> >>
> >> So, to pull this a little off topic, are oars machinery?
> >
> > No, they are machines, not machinery. Vessels under oars are placed in their
> > own category.
> >
> Where do the colregs define machinery in such a way as to exclude oars?

They don't...

> They certainly mention oars under lights.

....instead they make specific reference to oars where appropriate, thereby
creating a category.

Cheerio,

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On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:20:44 +0100, Derek Moody <derek.moody@clara.net>
wrote:

>In article <f8sl80$ej5$1@aioe.org>, Dave Royal
><URL:mailto

ave@Dave123Royal.com> wrote:
>> Derek Moody wrote:
>> >>
>> >> So, to pull this a little off topic, are oars machinery?
>> >
>> > No, they are machines, not machinery. Vessels under oars are placed in their
>> > own category.
>> >
>> Where do the colregs define machinery in such a way as to exclude oars?
>
>They don't...
>
>> They certainly mention oars under lights.
>
>...instead they make specific reference to oars where appropriate, thereby
>creating a category.
>

Can you tell me where it defines which is the give way vessel when a
rowing boat and a sailing boat meet?

--
Alastair

Alastair wrote:
>
> Can you tell me where it defines which is the give way vessel when a
> rowing boat and a sailing boat meet?
>

3(c) defines a sailing vessel (which must not be using its propelling
machinery, if it has any), as opposed to 3(b) a power driven vessel.

Oars are only mentioned under lights, so I think we must conclude that a
rowing vessel is a power driven vessel.

Given that: 18 (a) (iv)

Andy

In article <46b21dad.34974640@news.metronet.co.uk>, Alastair
<URL:mailto:alastair@as4jg.freeuk.com> wrote:

> Can you tell me where it defines which is the give way vessel when a
> rowing boat and a sailing boat meet?

Rule 0: The more manouvrable vessel, especially if smaller and more so
if within smelling distance of the Solent in August, gets out of the way
of the idiot in the shiny plastic toy who is so busy checking the exact
wording of the regs that he's forgotten to keep a lookout.

Cheerio,

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Derek Moody wrote:
> In article <46b19c91.1922640@news.metronet.co.uk>, Alastair
> <URL:mailto:alastair@as4jg.freeuk.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:02:58 GMT, Jack Dale <jackdale@telus.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:59:58 -0700, Clive <clive_long@yahoo.com>
>>>wrote:
>
>>>> I am trying to remember the verb that describes how a dinghy or
>>>>yacht is moving when powered by the motor rather than the sail - when,
>
>>>The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by
>>>machinery.
>>>
>>So, to pull this a little off topic, are oars machinery?
>
> No, they are machines, not machinery. Vessels under oars are placed in their
> own category.
>
> On the South Coast skippers of small commercial vessels, when under
> (powered) way, describe themselves as 'steaming' even when the plant is, for
> eg., diesel.

Indeed, I have been on many yachts that have a switch on the electrics
pannel labelled "steaming light" for the white one half way up the mast.
Never been on one with a steam engine, though.

Robin

"R.C. Payne" <rcp27@nospam.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:f9rskn$3nr$1@gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk...
> Derek Moody wrote:
>> In article <46b19c91.1922640@news.metronet.co.uk>, Alastair
>> <URL:mailto:alastair@as4jg.freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:02:58 GMT, Jack Dale <jackdale@telus.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:59:58 -0700, Clive <clive_long@yahoo.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>
>>>>> I am trying to remember the verb that describes how a dinghy or
>>>>>yacht is moving when powered by the motor rather than the sail - when,
>>
>>>>The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by
>>>>machinery.
>>>So, to pull this a little off topic, are oars machinery?
>>
>> No, they are machines, not machinery. Vessels under oars are placed in
>> their
>> own category. On the South Coast skippers of small commercial vessels,
>> when under
>> (powered) way, describe themselves as 'steaming' even when the plant is,
>> for
>> eg., diesel.
>
> Indeed, I have been on many yachts that have a switch on the electrics
> pannel labelled "steaming light" for the white one half way up the mast.
> Never been on one with a steam engine, though.
>
> Robin

I've been on steamers (turbines) which announce a 'sailing date' though!

R.C. Payne wrote:
>
> Indeed, I have been on many yachts that have a switch on the electrics
> pannel labelled "steaming light" for the white one half way up the mast.
> Never been on one with a steam engine, though.
>

My panel says 'Engine Light' - which I at first assumed was a light in
the engine compartment. 'Steaming light' I would have immediately
recognised.

Dave
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	#1
Clive	Sailing vocabulary - this is driving me mad Hi, Just a quick question to you good people. This was prompted via a crossword clue for a different word - the background is a bit tangled and not relevant to this question. I have looked at various online "sailing vocabularies" and asked various sailing friends but come up with no answer. I am trying to remember the verb that describes how a dinghy or yacht is moving when powered by the motor rather than the sail - when, for example, manoeuvering in a marina or harbour. The tip of my brain is suggesting a word beginning with "b" or "p" or "m". My so-called friends have suggested "motor" or even "putter" but I think they are being silly. Is there such a word for powering and controlling a sail boat under the control of an outboard or inboard motor or have I completely lost it? Thanks Clive

	#2
R.C. Payne	Re: Sailing vocabulary - this is driving me mad Clive wrote: > Hi, > > Just a quick question to you good people. This was prompted via a > crossword clue for a different word - the background is a bit tangled > and not relevant to this question. > > I have looked at various online "sailing vocabularies" and asked > various sailing friends but come up with no answer. > > I am trying to remember the verb that describes how a dinghy or > yacht is moving when powered by the motor rather than the sail - when, > for example, manoeuvering in a marina or harbour. > > The tip of my brain is suggesting a word beginning with "b" or "p" > or "m". My so-called friends have suggested "motor" or even "putter" > but I think they are being silly. Is there such a word for powering > and controlling a sail boat under the control of an outboard or > inboard motor or have I completely lost it? I have always refered to that as "motoring" (which fits in with "motor-sailing"). There may be some other more peculiar terms for it out there, but none that I have encountered. Robin

	#3
PeterD	Re: Sailing vocabulary - this is driving me mad Clive <clive_long@yahoo.com> wrote: > I am trying to remember the verb that describes how a dinghy or > yacht is moving when powered by the motor rather than the sail - when, > for example, manoeuvering in a marina or harbour. > > The tip of my brain is suggesting a word beginning with "b" or "p" > or "m". My so-called friends have suggested "motor" or even "putter" > but I think they are being silly. Is there such a word for powering > and controlling a sail boat under the control of an outboard or > inboard motor or have I completely lost it? We've always referred to it as "driving". "It's only half a mile round to the beach, shall we sail or just drive round there?" -- Pd

	#4
Phasmatis	Re: Sailing vocabulary - this is driving me mad Pootling?

	#5
Jack Dale	Re: Sailing vocabulary - this is driving me mad On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:59:58 -0700, Clive <clive_long@yahoo.com> wrote: >Hi, > > Just a quick question to you good people. This was prompted via a >crossword clue for a different word - the background is a bit tangled >and not relevant to this question. > > I have looked at various online "sailing vocabularies" and asked >various sailing friends but come up with no answer. > > I am trying to remember the verb that describes how a dinghy or >yacht is moving when powered by the motor rather than the sail - when, >for example, manoeuvering in a marina or harbour. > > The tip of my brain is suggesting a word beginning with "b" or "p" >or "m". My so-called friends have suggested "motor" or even "putter" >but I think they are being silly. Is there such a word for powering >and controlling a sail boat under the control of an outboard or >inboard motor or have I completely lost it? From Colregs The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. Jack _________________________________________ Jack Dale ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor CYA Advanced Cruising Instructor http://www.swiftsuresailing.com _________________________________________

	#6
Alastair	Re: Sailing vocabulary - this is driving me mad On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:02:58 GMT, Jack Dale <jackdale@telus.net> wrote: >On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:59:58 -0700, Clive <clive_long@yahoo.com> >wrote: > >>Hi, >> >> Just a quick question to you good people. This was prompted via a >>crossword clue for a different word - the background is a bit tangled >>and not relevant to this question. >> >> I have looked at various online "sailing vocabularies" and asked >>various sailing friends but come up with no answer. >> >> I am trying to remember the verb that describes how a dinghy or >>yacht is moving when powered by the motor rather than the sail - when, >>for example, manoeuvering in a marina or harbour. >> >> The tip of my brain is suggesting a word beginning with "b" or "p" >>or "m". My so-called friends have suggested "motor" or even "putter" >>but I think they are being silly. Is there such a word for powering >>and controlling a sail boat under the control of an outboard or >>inboard motor or have I completely lost it? > >From Colregs > >The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by >machinery. > So, to pull this a little off topic, are oars machinery? -- Alastair

	#7
NotMyRealName	Re: Sailing vocabulary - this is driving me mad In message <46b19c91.1922640@news.metronet.co.uk>, Alastair <alastair@as4jg.freeuk.com> writes >On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:02:58 GMT, Jack Dale <jackdale@telus.net> >wrote: > >>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:59:58 -0700, Clive <clive_long@yahoo.com> >>wrote: >> >>>Hi, >>> >>> Just a quick question to you good people. This was prompted via a >>>crossword clue for a different word - the background is a bit tangled >>>and not relevant to this question. >>> >>> I have looked at various online "sailing vocabularies" and asked >>>various sailing friends but come up with no answer. >>> >>> I am trying to remember the verb that describes how a dinghy or >>>yacht is moving when powered by the motor rather than the sail - when, >>>for example, manoeuvering in a marina or harbour. >>> >>> The tip of my brain is suggesting a word beginning with "b" or "p" >>>or "m". My so-called friends have suggested "motor" or even "putter" >>>but I think they are being silly. Is there such a word for powering >>>and controlling a sail boat under the control of an outboard or >>>inboard motor or have I completely lost it? >> >>From Colregs >> >>The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by >>machinery. >> > >So, to pull this a little off topic, are oars machinery? > Yes > >-- >Alastair -- Spike

	#8
jiminey@cricket.com	Re: Sailing vocabulary - this is driving me mad On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 09:01:25 GMT, alastair@as4jg.freeuk.com (Alastair) wrote: >On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:02:58 GMT, Jack Dale <jackdale@telus.net> >wrote: > >>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:59:58 -0700, Clive <clive_long@yahoo.com> >>wrote: >> >>>Hi, >>> >>> Just a quick question to you good people. This was prompted via a >>>crossword clue for a different word - the background is a bit tangled >>>and not relevant to this question. >>> >>> I have looked at various online "sailing vocabularies" and asked >>>various sailing friends but come up with no answer. >>> >>> I am trying to remember the verb that describes how a dinghy or >>>yacht is moving when powered by the motor rather than the sail - when, >>>for example, manoeuvering in a marina or harbour. >>> >>> The tip of my brain is suggesting a word beginning with "b" or "p" >>>or "m". My so-called friends have suggested "motor" or even "putter" >>>but I think they are being silly. Is there such a word for powering >>>and controlling a sail boat under the control of an outboard or >>>inboard motor or have I completely lost it? >> >>From Colregs >> >>The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by >>machinery. >> > >So, to pull this a little off topic, are oars machinery? Only if they row themselves...

	#9
toad	Re: Sailing vocabulary - this is driving me mad On 2 Aug, 11:41, jimi...@cricket.com wrote: > On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 09:01:25 GMT, alast...@as4jg.freeuk.com (Alastair) wrote: > >On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:02:58 GMT, Jack Dale <jackd...@telus.net> > >wrote: > > >>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:59:58 -0700, Clive <clive_l...@yahoo.com> > >>wrote: > > >>>Hi, > > >>> Just a quick question to you good people. This was prompted via a > >>>crossword clue for a different word - the background is a bit tangled > >>>and not relevant to this question. > > >>> I have looked at various online "sailing vocabularies" and asked > >>>various sailing friends but come up with no answer. > > >>> I am trying to remember the verb that describes how a dinghy or > >>>yacht is moving when powered by the motor rather than the sail - when, > >>>for example, manoeuvering in a marina or harbour. > > >>> The tip of my brain is suggesting a word beginning with "b" or "p" > >>>or "m". My so-called friends have suggested "motor" or even "putter" > >>>but I think they are being silly. Is there such a word for powering > >>>and controlling a sail boat under the control of an outboard or > >>>inboard motor or have I completely lost it? > > >>From Colregs > > >>The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by > >>machinery. > > >So, to pull this a little off topic, are oars machinery? > > Only if they row themselves... I hate it when they do that.

	#10
Derek Moody	Re: Sailing vocabulary - this is driving me mad In article <46b19c91.1922640@news.metronet.co.uk>, Alastair <URL:mailto:alastair@as4jg.freeuk.com> wrote: > On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:02:58 GMT, Jack Dale <jackdale@telus.net> > wrote: > > >On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:59:58 -0700, Clive <clive_long@yahoo.com> > >wrote: > >> I am trying to remember the verb that describes how a dinghy or > >>yacht is moving when powered by the motor rather than the sail - when, > >The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by > >machinery. > > > > So, to pull this a little off topic, are oars machinery? No, they are machines, not machinery. Vessels under oars are placed in their own category. On the South Coast skippers of small commercial vessels, when under (powered) way, describe themselves as 'steaming' even when the plant is, for eg., diesel. Cheerio, -- Fishing: http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/ Writing: http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page: http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

	#11
Dave Royal	Re: Sailing vocabulary - this is driving me mad Derek Moody wrote: >> >> So, to pull this a little off topic, are oars machinery? > > No, they are machines, not machinery. Vessels under oars are placed in their > own category. > Where do the colregs define machinery in such a way as to exclude oars? They certainly mention oars under lights. Dave -- (Remove any numerics from my email address.)

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Andy Champ	Re: Sailing vocabulary - this is driving me mad Alastair wrote: > > Can you tell me where it defines which is the give way vessel when a > rowing boat and a sailing boat meet? > 3(c) defines a sailing vessel (which must not be using its propelling machinery, if it has any), as opposed to 3(b) a power driven vessel. Oars are only mentioned under lights, so I think we must conclude that a rowing vessel is a power driven vessel. Given that: 18 (a) (iv) Andy

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Duncan Heenan	Re: Sailing vocabulary - this is driving me mad "R.C. Payne" <rcp27@nospam.ac.uk> wrote in message news:f9rskn$3nr$1@gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk... > Derek Moody wrote: >> In article <46b19c91.1922640@news.metronet.co.uk>, Alastair >> <URL:mailto:alastair@as4jg.freeuk.com> wrote: >>>On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:02:58 GMT, Jack Dale <jackdale@telus.net> >>>wrote: >>> >>>>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:59:58 -0700, Clive <clive_long@yahoo.com> >>>>wrote: >> >>>>> I am trying to remember the verb that describes how a dinghy or >>>>>yacht is moving when powered by the motor rather than the sail - when, >> >>>>The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by >>>>machinery. >>>So, to pull this a little off topic, are oars machinery? >> >> No, they are machines, not machinery. Vessels under oars are placed in >> their >> own category. On the South Coast skippers of small commercial vessels, >> when under >> (powered) way, describe themselves as 'steaming' even when the plant is, >> for >> eg., diesel. > > Indeed, I have been on many yachts that have a switch on the electrics > pannel labelled "steaming light" for the white one half way up the mast. > Never been on one with a steam engine, though. > > Robin I've been on steamers (turbines) which announce a 'sailing date' though!