Bill

My 24yr old Jeannaeu's cabin lining foam back is crumbling and will not
adhere to the hull. I have tried all the heavy duty spray on adhesive with
only very limited success.

Is there a paint on adhesive that will be more successfull?

This is driving me even more mad than usual - help will be appreciated.

Martin

On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:11:41 +0100, "Bill" <w.hercus@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>My 24yr old Jeannaeu's cabin lining foam back is crumbling and will not
>adhere to the hull. I have tried all the heavy duty spray on adhesive with
>only very limited success.
>
>Is there a paint on adhesive that will be more successfull?
>
>This is driving me even more mad than usual - help will be appreciated.
>

Rip the whole lot out and replace it with foamless vinyl glued on to 4 mm marine
ply panels.
--

Martin

Bill

Just not practical I'm afraid - probably cheaper to replace the boat


"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:11:41 +0100, "Bill" <w.hercus@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>My 24yr old Jeannaeu's cabin lining foam back is crumbling and will not
>>adhere to the hull. I have tried all the heavy duty spray on adhesive
>>with
>>only very limited success.
>>
>>Is there a paint on adhesive that will be more successfull?
>>
>>This is driving me even more mad than usual - help will be appreciated.
>>
>
> Rip the whole lot out and replace it with foamless vinyl glued on to 4 mm
> marine
> ply panels.
> --
>
> Martin
>

Martin

On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:23:47 +0100, "Bill" <w.hercus@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>Just not practical I'm afraid - probably cheaper to replace the boat

It is practical and costs sod all. We did our Centaur in two weekends. Many
others have done their boats the same way. Decent boat builders actually use ply
panels instead of foam backed vinyl stuck up with glue.
--

Martin

Bill

I'm not writing about roof lining which is quite different and sound. This
foam backing is in the forepeak, lining the sea berths in the main cabin and
the quarter berth. The curved hull shape that these linings are attached to
mitigates against ply boarding - the lining has to stick to the inside of
the GRP hull.

My fault, I probably should have made that fact clearer!!



"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:23:47 +0100, "Bill" <w.hercus@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>Just not practical I'm afraid - probably cheaper to replace the boat
>
> It is practical and costs sod all. We did our Centaur in two weekends.
> Many
> others have done their boats the same way. Decent boat builders actually
> use ply
> panels instead of foam backed vinyl stuck up with glue.
> --
>
> Martin
>

Dennis Pogson

Bill wrote:
> I'm not writing about roof lining which is quite different and sound.
> This foam backing is in the forepeak, lining the sea berths in the
> main cabin and the quarter berth. The curved hull shape that these
> linings are attached to mitigates against ply boarding - the lining
> has to stick to the inside of the GRP hull.
>
> My fault, I probably should have made that fact clearer!!
>
>
>
> "Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
> news:j7eqd3ll0huh5k9nojvm8q3nn4nqmgnvd5@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:23:47 +0100, "Bill"
>> <w.hercus@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Just not practical I'm afraid - probably cheaper to replace the
>>> boat
>>
>> It is practical and costs sod all. We did our Centaur in two
>> weekends. Many
>> others have done their boats the same way. Decent boat builders
>> actually use ply
>> panels instead of foam backed vinyl stuck up with glue.
>> --
>>
>> Martin

I used floor tile adhesive from B&Q years ago. It sticks like sh** to a
blanket!

Dennis.

Ronald Raygun

Martin wrote:

> Rip the whole lot out and replace it with foamless vinyl glued on to 4 mm
> marine ply panels.

Have you no taste? If you're going to line with nice ply panels, they
should be varnished, not covered up with ugly vinyl.

Martin

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 11:20:33 GMT, "Dennis Pogson"
<dennis_nospampogson@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>Bill wrote:
>> I'm not writing about roof lining which is quite different and sound.
>> This foam backing is in the forepeak, lining the sea berths in the
>> main cabin and the quarter berth. The curved hull shape that these
>> linings are attached to mitigates against ply boarding - the lining
>> has to stick to the inside of the GRP hull.
>>
>> My fault, I probably should have made that fact clearer!!
>>
>>
>>
>> "Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:j7eqd3ll0huh5k9nojvm8q3nn4nqmgnvd5@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:23:47 +0100, "Bill"
>>> <w.hercus@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just not practical I'm afraid - probably cheaper to replace the
>>>> boat
>>>
>>> It is practical and costs sod all. We did our Centaur in two
>>> weekends. Many
>>> others have done their boats the same way. Decent boat builders
>>> actually use ply
>>> panels instead of foam backed vinyl stuck up with glue.
>>> --
>>>
>>> Martin
>
>I used floor tile adhesive from B&Q years ago. It sticks like sh** to a
>blanket!

We used carpet adhesive from B&Q after using an ecologically useless product
initially.
--

Martin

Martin

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 11:36:18 GMT, Ronald Raygun <no.spam@localhost.localdomain>
wrote:

>Martin wrote:
>
>> Rip the whole lot out and replace it with foamless vinyl glued on to 4 mm
>> marine ply panels.
>
>Have you no taste? If you're going to line with nice ply panels, they
>should be varnished, not covered up with ugly vinyl.

That depends on whether you have a desire to emulate sleeping in a marine ply
coffin.

Did you look at the photos of the teak enhanced stretched Centaur that I posted
recently?
--

Martin

Ronald Raygun

Martin wrote:

> On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 11:36:18 GMT, Ronald Raygun
> <no.spam@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
>
>>Martin wrote:
>>
>>> Rip the whole lot out and replace it with foamless vinyl glued on to 4
>>> mm marine ply panels.
>>
>>Have you no taste? If you're going to line with nice ply panels, they
>>should be varnished, not covered up with ugly vinyl.
>
> That depends on whether you have a desire to emulate sleeping in a marine
> ply coffin.
>
> Did you look at the photos of the teak enhanced stretched Centaur that I
> posted recently?

Didn't work when I tried the other day, but I have now.

Doesn't look too bad, though the turned stair-rods and the porthole
mirror are a bit crass, in fact much of the decor is a bit "CN",
despite an underabundance of purple.

That apart, the woodwork is probably the least bad thing about the
whole boat, just think how much worse it would be were it all vinyl.
Not like a coffin at all. Have you seen what they line real coffins
with these days? I wouldn't be seen dead in one.

Ronald Raygun

Martin wrote:

> On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:15:51 GMT, Ronald Raygun
> <no.spam@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
>>Martin wrote:
>>>
>>> Hand crafted teak paneling surely?
>>
>>It's only a Westerly.
>
> It was a Jeanneau at the beginning of the thread.

Oops. Is there a big difference? :-)

Martin

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:44:31 GMT, Ronald Raygun <no.spam@localhost.localdomain>
wrote:

>Martin wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:15:51 GMT, Ronald Raygun
>> <no.spam@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
>>>Martin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hand crafted teak paneling surely?
>>>
>>>It's only a Westerly.
>>
>> It was a Jeanneau at the beginning of the thread.
>
>Oops. Is there a big difference? :-)

Only that a Westerly hull is about 4 times as thick and the Westerly rudders
didn't split up the middle after a couple of years.
--

Martin

Martin

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:39:33 GMT, Ronald Raygun <no.spam@localhost.localdomain>
wrote:

>Martin wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 11:36:18 GMT, Ronald Raygun
>> <no.spam@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
>>
>>>Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rip the whole lot out and replace it with foamless vinyl glued on to 4
>>>> mm marine ply panels.
>>>
>>>Have you no taste? If you're going to line with nice ply panels, they
>>>should be varnished, not covered up with ugly vinyl.
>>
>> That depends on whether you have a desire to emulate sleeping in a marine
>> ply coffin.
>>
>> Did you look at the photos of the teak enhanced stretched Centaur that I
>> posted recently?
>
>Didn't work when I tried the other day, but I have now.
>
>Doesn't look too bad, though the turned stair-rods and the porthole
>mirror are a bit crass, in fact much of the decor is a bit "CN",
>despite an underabundance of purple.
>
>That apart, the woodwork is probably the least bad thing about the
>whole boat, just think how much worse it would be were it all vinyl.
>Not like a coffin at all. Have you seen what they line real coffins
>with these days? I wouldn't be seen dead in one.

LOL
--

Martin

Ian

On 4 Sep, 11:11, "Bill" <w.her...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> My 24yr old Jeannaeu's cabin lining foam back is crumbling and will not
> adhere to the hull. I have tried all the heavy duty spray on adhesive with
> only very limited success.
>
> Is there a paint on adhesive that will be more successfull?

Nothing will work. It's not the adhesive that's failing, it's the foam
backing. You need to replace the vinyl. I got a kit from Hawke House
Marine: if you send them your old headlining they'll make a new one to
measure.

Ian

Ian

On 4 Sep, 11:55, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:23:47 +0100, "Bill" <w.her...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> >Just not practical I'm afraid - probably cheaper to replace the boat
>
> It is practical and costs sod all. We did our Centaur in two weekends. Many
> others have done their boats the same way. Decent boat builders actually use ply
> panels instead of foam backed vinyl stuck up with glue.

It may be practical for some designs, but it isn't for others. Ever
tried making plywood panels to fit compound curves?

Ian

Ian

On 4 Sep, 12:12, "Bill" <w.her...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> I'm not writing about roof lining which is quite different and sound. This
> foam backing is in the forepeak, lining the sea berths in the main cabin and
> the quarter berth. The curved hull shape that these linings are attached to
> mitigates against ply boarding - the lining has to stick to the inside of
> the GRP hull.

I did my forecabin with foam backed vinyl, but for the quarter berths
in the main cabin I simply painted the hull with nice grey bilge
paint. It looks fine, and I haven't had any significant problems with
condensation.

Ian

Ian

On 4 Sep, 15:29, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:

> It was a Jeanneau at the beginning of the thread. He is lucky that you didn't
> confuse him with spurious info about leaking bilge keels. :-)

They don't. They fall off. At which point "leak" is rather an
understatement. Still, at least you sail in a country where "sinking"
means "moving vertically down by two feet".

Ian

Ronald Raygun

Ian wrote:

> On 4 Sep, 11:55, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:23:47 +0100, "Bill" <w.her...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> >Just not practical I'm afraid - probably cheaper to replace the boat
>>
>> It is practical and costs sod all. We did our Centaur in two weekends.
>> Many others have done their boats the same way. Decent boat builders
>> actually use ply panels instead of foam backed vinyl stuck up with glue.
>
> It may be practical for some designs, but it isn't for others. Ever
> tried making plywood panels to fit compound curves?

I daresay one could custom-laminate some veneers in situ, but it's
probably not for the faint-hearted.

Adam H

>>> Rip the whole lot out and replace it with foamless vinyl glued on to 4
>>> mm
>>> marine ply panels.
>>Have you no taste? If you're going to line with nice ply panels, they
>>should be varnished, not covered up with ugly vinyl.
on whether you have a desire to emulate sleeping in a marine ply
> coffin.

No worries, its just the brass handles and plaque with 'at rest' engraving
that'd get to me - they'd take sooo long to polish!

A

Adam H

> Or just sand it down and paint it.

Like I did. Easy, cheap and looks fine, unless you look too close. It took
ages to clean the old foam 'bits' off with the chisel but was worthwhile.

Out of preference, would do it again, and use the same paint which is water
based, cheap (From Wilko/Wilkinson) and has lasted 2 seasons without any
complaint.

A

Martin

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:03:42 -0700, Ian <ian.groups@btinternet.com> wrote:

>On 4 Sep, 11:55, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:23:47 +0100, "Bill" <w.her...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> >Just not practical I'm afraid - probably cheaper to replace the boat
>>
>> It is practical and costs sod all. We did our Centaur in two weekends. Many
>> others have done their boats the same way. Decent boat builders actually use ply
>> panels instead of foam backed vinyl stuck up with glue.
>
>It may be practical for some designs, but it isn't for others. Ever
>tried making plywood panels to fit compound curves?

I used five sections and marine carpet. Others have done the same.
--

Martin

Martin

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:07:29 -0700, Ian <ian.groups@btinternet.com> wrote:

>On 4 Sep, 15:29, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>> It was a Jeanneau at the beginning of the thread. He is lucky that you didn't
>> confuse him with spurious info about leaking bilge keels. :-)
>
>They don't. They fall off. At which point "leak" is rather an
>understatement. Still, at least you sail in a country where "sinking"
>means "moving vertically down by two feet".

Have you tried taking paracetamol for your hangover or avoiding posting when you
are pissed?

--

Martin

Ian

On 4 Sep, 22:21, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:07:29 -0700, Ian <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >On 4 Sep, 15:29, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> It was a Jeanneau at the beginning of the thread. He is lucky that you didn't
> >> confuse him with spurious info about leaking bilge keels. :-)
>
> >They don't. They fall off. At which point "leak" is rather an
> >understatement. Still, at least you sail in a country where "sinking"
> >means "moving vertically down by two feet".
>
> Have you tried taking paracetamol for your hangover or avoiding posting when you
> are pissed?

I'm a lifelong teetotaller. Relax, regulations-and-swamp boy!

Ian

Quilljar

Isn't bilge paint poisonous? Only asking!

--
Yrs Quilly

http://quilljar.users.btopenworld.com/gall.html

"Ian" <ian.groups@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> On 4 Sep, 12:12, "Bill" <w.her...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> I'm not writing about roof lining which is quite different and sound.
>> This
>> foam backing is in the forepeak, lining the sea berths in the main cabin
>> and
>> the quarter berth. The curved hull shape that these linings are attached
>> to
>> mitigates against ply boarding - the lining has to stick to the inside of
>> the GRP hull.
>
> I did my forecabin with foam backed vinyl, but for the quarter berths
> in the main cabin I simply painted the hull with nice grey bilge
> paint. It looks fine, and I haven't had any significant problems with
> condensation.
>
> Ian
>

Bill

Thanks guys.

Lots of food for thought there. The problem is mostly with crumbly foam
backing - there might be enough to get a reasoable result with carpet or
tile adhesive and I'll try that on a wee bit first to see if it works ......

Ta!


"Ian" <ian.groups@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> On 4 Sep, 11:11, "Bill" <w.her...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> My 24yr old Jeannaeu's cabin lining foam back is crumbling and will not
>> adhere to the hull. I have tried all the heavy duty spray on adhesive
>> with
>> only very limited success.
>>
>> Is there a paint on adhesive that will be more successfull?
>
> Nothing will work. It's not the adhesive that's failing, it's the foam
> backing. You need to replace the vinyl. I got a kit from Hawke House
> Marine: if you send them your old headlining they'll make a new one to
> measure.
>
> Ian
>

Ian

On 5 Sep, 09:34, "Quilljar" <N...@home.today> wrote:
> Isn't bilge paint poisonous? Only asking!

Not the stuff I used. It's just very gloopy and opaque, so goes well
on the raw fibreglass interior.

Ian