Ric

On the recommendation of our friend simple simon I am speccing up a new suit
of sails. The local sailmaker sent me a selection of tissues and am probably
going to go for a nice crispy 6.5oz cloth that will hopefully last far
longer than me. But the material comes in the usual off-white colour and
also for the same price grey which I think might look quite cool and
distinctive. Is there some huge disadvantage to non-white sails (which may
explain why I see so few boats with grey sails)? Will I still be able to see
the shadow of the windward genoa telltale on the other side of a grey sail?
Will it look really crap in reality?

Simple Simon

Grey sails? Why would you even consider grey sails?

They would look shabby and old even when new.

The best quality and by far the best priced sails can
be found here: http://www.hksailmakers.com

You can see pics of newly made and delivered sails here:
http://captneal.homestead.com/newsails.html



S.Simon


"Ric" <spam@off.com> wrote in message news:bplskk$ori$1@news-reader2.wanadoo.fr...
> On the recommendation of our friend simple simon I am speccing up a new suit
> of sails. The local sailmaker sent me a selection of tissues and am probably
> going to go for a nice crispy 6.5oz cloth that will hopefully last far
> longer than me. But the material comes in the usual off-white colour and
> also for the same price grey which I think might look quite cool and
> distinctive. Is there some huge disadvantage to non-white sails (which may
> explain why I see so few boats with grey sails)? Will I still be able to see
> the shadow of the windward genoa telltale on the other side of a grey sail?
> Will it look really crap in reality?
>

hugh

the grey MAY be a UV filter. there are some laminates that have this now.
it may also be that people buy grey cloth on the basis that it looks like it
has carbon in it and is somehow cool.


"Ric" <spam@off.com> wrote in message
news:bplskk$ori$1@news-reader2.wanadoo.fr...
> On the recommendation of our friend simple simon I am speccing up a new
suit
> of sails. The local sailmaker sent me a selection of tissues and am
probably
> going to go for a nice crispy 6.5oz cloth that will hopefully last far
> longer than me. But the material comes in the usual off-white colour and
> also for the same price grey which I think might look quite cool and
> distinctive. Is there some huge disadvantage to non-white sails (which may
> explain why I see so few boats with grey sails)? Will I still be able to
see
> the shadow of the windward genoa telltale on the other side of a grey
sail?
> Will it look really crap in reality?
>

Ronald Raygun

Simple Simon wrote:

> Grey sails? Why would you even consider grey sails?
>
> They would look shabby and old even when new.

Well, if they already look old when new, then they will never
get any worse. That has got to be a Good Thing.

Simple Simon

Then you think nubile teenage women should come with
liver spots, wrinkled skin, and sagging tits?

S.Simon


"Ronald Raygun" <no.spam@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message news:YKwvb.7434$im1.63388837@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Simple Simon wrote:
>
> > Grey sails? Why would you even consider grey sails?
> >
> > They would look shabby and old even when new.
>
> Well, if they already look old when new, then they will never
> get any worse. That has got to be a Good Thing.
>

martin

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:08:41 -0500, "Simple Simon"
<Pieman@Mincemeat.com> wrote:

>Then you think nubile teenage women should come with
>liver spots, wrinkled skin, and sagging tits?

Only after they have crewed with you. :-)
--
Martin

Tony of Judicious

Ric wrote:

> On the recommendation of our friend simple simon I am speccing up a new suit
> of sails. The local sailmaker sent me a selection of tissues and am probably
> going to go for a nice crispy 6.5oz cloth that will hopefully last far
> longer than me. But the material comes in the usual off-white colour and
> also for the same price grey which I think might look quite cool and
> distinctive. Is there some huge disadvantage to non-white sails (which may
> explain why I see so few boats with grey sails)? Will I still be able to see
> the shadow of the windward genoa telltale on the other side of a grey sail?
> Will it look really crap in reality?

J has a couple of grey sails, a storm jib and a 60% jib. They were made by
Ratsey for J in 1965 and still in fine condition. After being serviced they
look quite fetching with the contrasting white stiching and new leaches.

Ric

"Tony of Judicious" <tony@deletethis.thoward.plus.com> wrote in message
newsnFvb.11546$lm1.83384@wards.force9.net...
> Ric wrote:

> J has a couple of grey sails, a storm jib and a 60% jib. They were made
by
> Ratsey for J in 1965 and still in fine condition. After being serviced
they
> look quite fetching with the contrasting white stiching and new leaches.

Thanks, that settles it. I have a feeling they are going to look very smart
too.

Ken McCulloch

Simple Simon <Pieman@Mincemeat.com> wrote:


> You can see pics of newly made and delivered sails here:
> http://captneal.homestead.com/newsails.html
>
>

That's the first thing about your horrible boat that's not horrible,
'Captain'. Very nice sails. However if you want to assess sag in your
headstay I suggest you have a look when you are going to windward in the
strongest wind a given headsail will stand (maybe about 20-25 knots for
the genoa in the pictures, depending on the cloth weight?) Maybe you
don't have much experience in heavy weather otherwise you wouldn't make
such a naive claim?

Just another couple of small points. A sail doesn't set 'real nice'. It
sets 'nicely' or 'really well'. Finally you should disabuse yourself of
the notion that *anyone* anywhere in any kind of boat or ashore is even
slightly afraid of you.

--
Ken McCulloch
Edinburgh

martin

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:24:37 +0000, km011c4803@blueyonder.co.uk (Ken
McCulloch) wrote:

>Simple Simon <Pieman@Mincemeat.com> wrote:
>
>
>> You can see pics of newly made and delivered sails here:
>> http://captneal.homestead.com/newsails.html
>>
>>
>
>That's the first thing about your horrible boat that's not horrible,
>'Captain'. Very nice sails.

IMHO there wasn't a lot wrong with his fantasy crew either.


--
Martin

Simon Brooke

"Ric" <spam@off.com> writes:

> On the recommendation of our friend simple simon I am speccing up a new suit
> of sails. The local sailmaker sent me a selection of tissues and am probably
> going to go for a nice crispy 6.5oz cloth that will hopefully last far
> longer than me. But the material comes in the usual off-white colour and
> also for the same price grey which I think might look quite cool and
> distinctive. Is there some huge disadvantage to non-white sails (which may
> explain why I see so few boats with grey sails)? Will I still be able to see
> the shadow of the windward genoa telltale on the other side of a grey sail?
> Will it look really crap in reality?

There's a huge advantage in non-white sails in that if you ever need
to describe your boat to coastguard or lifeboat it makes an instant
recognition mark. However, grey would not be my colour of choice
because it does not show up clearly particularly in grey weather.

--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; I'd rather live in sybar-space

Ric

"Simon Brooke" <simon@jasmine.org.uk> wrote in message
news:87r7zz1q8s.fsf@gododdin.internal.jasmine.org. uk...

> There's a huge advantage in non-white sails in that if you ever need
> to describe your boat to coastguard

Yes, I sometimes wonder what the point is when the coastguard asks me the
colour of my hull and sails and I have to reply "white and white".

or lifeboat it makes an instant
> recognition mark. However, grey would not be my colour of choice
> because it does not show up clearly particularly in grey weather.

Not so much of a problem here in the Med. I'm also thinking grey sails would
be easier on the eye when looking up at them in bright sunlight.

martin

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:18:37 +0100, "Ric" <spam@off.com> wrote:


re-your salt water through hull problem. Did you think of drilling a
hole above the water line for discharge and using the existing hole
exclusively for intake of water? or discharging via an existing
outlet?
--
Martin

Ric

"martin" <anon@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:km31svctdpvs13hvs7riuvmlmfme2njgho@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:18:37 +0100, "Ric" <spam@off.com> wrote:
>
>
> re-your salt water through hull problem. Did you think of drilling a
> hole above the water line for discharge and using the existing hole
> exclusively for intake of water? or discharging via an existing
> outlet?

Well it's a possibility. I've decided I am going to try the stinky method
first. I suspect that if I fit the pump to close to the hull, it will draw
fairly clean water if the boat is moving (which is the only time I'm likely
to use it). If that really is no good then I'll try another possibility.

Ronald Raygun

Ric wrote:

> I've decided I am going to try the stinky method first.

You're going to tap into the heads discharge pipe?

Iain Hibbert

Simon Brooke <simon@jasmine.org.uk> wrote:
> There's a huge advantage in non-white sails in that if you ever need
> to describe your boat to coastguard or lifeboat it makes an instant
> recognition mark. However, grey would not be my colour of choice
> because it does not show up clearly particularly in grey weather.

surely an advantage in some instances when the coastguard are looking
for you?

I painted my mast a dark blue colour to match the UV protection on the
sail covers (and the hull a bright yellow) and found that when anchored
near a beach with foliage behind it was especially hard to see (even when
I knew exactly where it must be!) from more than half a mile offshore..
had me quite worried when I returned to the boat the first time after a day
out..

iain

Simple Simon

"Iain Hibbert" <plunky@mail.com> wrote in message news:73h691-1b.ln1@ID-171367.user.dfncis.de...
> surely an advantage in some instances when the coastguard are looking
> for you?
>
> I painted my mast a dark blue colour to match the UV protection on the
> sail covers (and the hull a bright yellow) <snipped some>

Smart chap!

S.Simon

Simon Brooke

Iain Hibbert <plunky@mail.com> writes:

> Simon Brooke <simon@jasmine.org.uk> wrote:
> > There's a huge advantage in non-white sails in that if you ever need
> > to describe your boat to coastguard or lifeboat it makes an instant
> > recognition mark. However, grey would not be my colour of choice
> > because it does not show up clearly particularly in grey weather.
>
> surely an advantage in some instances when the coastguard are looking
> for you?

Well for a long time my plans for my next boat were that she would be
all black, everywhere, including sails. After all, black cats are said
to be lucky. But then, all cats are grey in the night time.

Simon, who comes from a village with a _long_ tradition of smuggling.

--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; I'd rather live in sybar-space

Ian Sandell

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:08:55 +0000, Iain Hibbert <plunky@mail.com>
wrote:

>Simon Brooke <simon@jasmine.org.uk> wrote:
>> There's a huge advantage in non-white sails in that if you ever need
>> to describe your boat to coastguard or lifeboat it makes an instant
>> recognition mark. However, grey would not be my colour of choice
>> because it does not show up clearly particularly in grey weather.
>
>surely an advantage in some instances when the coastguard are looking
>for you?

Sea Holly has a black mast - handy for finding her amongst the other
boats in a marina etc.

Ian