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Boat with a difference.
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Re: Boat with a difference.
"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message news:f17id3t9ea3c2ndod2ln62ob33ggqcqa2r@4ax.com... > http://tinyurl.com/36dtxr > -- > > Martin > Owner interested in woodwork, willing to sacrifice sailing performance, wealthy enough to pay for the added LOA, lost interest, wished he'd bought a different boat? Chris |
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Re: Boat with a difference.
On Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:51:58 +0100, "chrisR" <chris@yachtsmen.co.uk> wrote:
> >"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message >news:f17id3t9ea3c2ndod2ln62ob33ggqcqa2r@4ax.com.. . >> http://tinyurl.com/36dtxr >> -- >> >> Martin >> > >Owner interested in woodwork, willing to sacrifice sailing performance, Not to mention stability and half a tropical rain forest. Ideal as a slow boat to China. Toilet would make an ideal confessional. >wealthy enough to pay for the added LOA, lost interest, wished he'd bought a >different boat? Did you notice the piles of rubbish around the boat in one photo? -- Martin |
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Re: Boat with a difference.
On Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:51:58 +0100, "chrisR" <chris@yachtsmen.co.uk>
wrote: > >"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message >news:f17id3t9ea3c2ndod2ln62ob33ggqcqa2r@4ax.com.. . >> http://tinyurl.com/36dtxr >> -- >> >> Martin >> > >Owner interested in woodwork, willing to sacrifice sailing performance, >wealthy enough to pay for the added LOA, lost interest, wished he'd bought a >different boat? I liked the belaying pins. I've always wanted belaying pins on a plastic Bermudan sloop. Ian |
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Re: Boat with a difference.
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 16:47:32 GMT, ian@atsandelldot.codot.uk wrote:
>On Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:51:58 +0100, "chrisR" <chris@yachtsmen.co.uk> >wrote: > >> >>"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message >>news:f17id3t9ea3c2ndod2ln62ob33ggqcqa2r@4ax.com. .. >>> http://tinyurl.com/36dtxr >>> -- >>> >>> Martin >>> >> >>Owner interested in woodwork, willing to sacrifice sailing performance, >>wealthy enough to pay for the added LOA, lost interest, wished he'd bought a >>different boat? > >I liked the belaying pins. I've always wanted belaying pins on a >plastic Bermudan sloop. I liked that too. I was thinking that that is exactly what a MacGregor 26 needs to turn it into a real boat. Replace the handbrake with the belaying pins option. I wonder if the 40' Centaur has ever been in the water since it was enhanced. -- Martin |
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Re: Boat with a difference.
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:57:24 +0200, Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
> >I liked that too. I was thinking that that is exactly what a MacGregor 26 >needs to turn it into a real boat. Replace the handbrake with the belaying pins >option. I am not a compulsive Macgregor knocker (each to his own), but last weekend I watched a Mac try for a good 10 minutes trying to moor in plenty of space, with no tide and almost no wind. I think that the problem was that he had rudders up and prolly keel up also, so when he tried to turn using his 25 hp outboard, he went sideways rather then turn. I would have suggested that he put a bit of keel down, but he gave up and went elsewhere. I wonder if he is still roaming the Solent trying to moor. Ian |
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Re: Boat with a difference.
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:57:24 +0200, Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
> I wonder if the 40' Centaur has ever been in the water since it was enhanced. Enhanced - yes, I bet Laurent Giles id turning in his grave wishing that he had thought of it. Ian |
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Re: Boat with a difference.
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:58:24 GMT, ian@atsandelldot.codot.uk wrote:
>On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:57:24 +0200, Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote: > > >> >>I liked that too. I was thinking that that is exactly what a MacGregor 26 >>needs to turn it into a real boat. Replace the handbrake with the belaying pins >>option. > > >I am not a compulsive Macgregor knocker (each to his own), but last >weekend I watched a Mac try for a good 10 minutes trying to moor in >plenty of space, with no tide and almost no wind. I think that the >problem was that he had rudders up and prolly keel up also, so when he >tried to turn using his 25 hp outboard, he went sideways rather then >turn. I would have suggested that he put a bit of keel down, but he >gave up and went elsewhere. I wonder if he is still roaming the Solent >trying to moor. Sounds like the same thing I saw, only the one I saw had only a 10hp o/b. -- Martin |
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Re: Boat with a difference.
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:59:50 GMT, ian@atsandelldot.codot.uk wrote:
>On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:57:24 +0200, Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote: > >> I wonder if the 40' Centaur has ever been in the water since it was enhanced. > > >Enhanced - yes, I bet Laurent Giles id turning in his grave wishing >that he had thought of it. If he had considered that some people are taller than 5'6" and need an appropriate length and width of berth, that would have been revolutionary enough. -- Martin |
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Re: Boat with a difference.
"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message news:55hjd3l159s9vk3h5katlvk1o2cqtmip6l@4ax.com... > On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:59:50 GMT, ian@atsandelldot.codot.uk wrote: > > >On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:57:24 +0200, Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote: > > > >> I wonder if the 40' Centaur has ever been in the water since it was enhanced. > > > > > >Enhanced - yes, I bet Laurent Giles id turning in his grave wishing > >that he had thought of it. > > If he had considered that some people are taller than 5'6" and need an > appropriate length and width of berth, that would have been revolutionary > enough. > -- > > Martin > Is that the standing headroom and berth length in the Centaur? ChrisR |
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Re: Boat with a difference.
On 1 Sep, 13:51, "chrisR" <ch...@yachtsmen.co.uk> wrote:
> Owner interested in woodwork, willing to sacrifice sailing performance, "Sailing performance"? It's a Centaur. You'll see things with better sailing performance being towed down motorways. Ian (owner of a Westerly, but a sporting one!) |
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Re: Boat with a difference.
On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 02:35:48 +0100, "chrisR" <chris@yachtsmen.co.uk> wrote:
> >"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message >news:55hjd3l159s9vk3h5katlvk1o2cqtmip6l@4ax.com.. . >> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:59:50 GMT, ian@atsandelldot.codot.uk wrote: >> >> >On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:57:24 +0200, Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote: >> > >> >> I wonder if the 40' Centaur has ever been in the water since it was >enhanced. >> > >> > >> >Enhanced - yes, I bet Laurent Giles id turning in his grave wishing >> >that he had thought of it. >> >> If he had considered that some people are taller than 5'6" and need an >> appropriate length and width of berth, that would have been revolutionary >> enough. >> -- >> >> Martin >> >Is that the standing headroom and berth length in the Centaur? Front berth length. Main cabin berth is too narrow except for Lowry matchstick men. -- Martin |
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Re: Boat with a difference.
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 23:26:36 -0700, Ian <ian.groups@btinternet.com> wrote:
>On 1 Sep, 13:51, "chrisR" <ch...@yachtsmen.co.uk> wrote: > >> Owner interested in woodwork, willing to sacrifice sailing performance, > >"Sailing performance"? It's a Centaur. Whoosh! >You'll see things with better >sailing performance being towed down motorways. Aren't most boats towed down motorways/autobahns/autoroutes at some time in their life? I can and do frequently pass incompetently sailed Bavarias and much bigger yachts in mine. > >Ian (owner of a Westerly, but a sporting one!) The one where the foredeck peels back and shouts "Surprise! Surprise!"? -- Martin |
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Re: Boat with a difference.
On 2 Sep, 09:30, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 23:26:36 -0700, Ian <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> wrote: > >On 1 Sep, 13:51, "chrisR" <ch...@yachtsmen.co.uk> wrote: > > >> Owner interested in woodwork, willing to sacrifice sailing performance, > > >"Sailing performance"? It's a Centaur. > > Whoosh! The only way you'll get a Centaur to go "Whoosh!" is to drop it from a Chinook ... > >Ian (owner of a Westerly, but a sporting one!) > > The one where the foredeck peels back and shouts "Surprise! Surprise!"? No, one of the ones where - like the Centaurs - the keel falls off unless you do something about it (which I have). Laurent Giles had some very optimistic ideas about attaching dirty great lumps of cast iron to thin fibreglass hulls ... Ian |
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Re: Boat with a difference.
Hey, my first real yacht was a Westerly Centaur...well a Chieftain actually.
It had wheel steering which you had to use benind you! In the 60s We thought it was the bees knees and so lucky to have such a boat. you could even jump aboard without it rocking all over the place. We could do 7 knots under engine and with twin keels go up the shallowest creeks and sit there safely overnight. Great times - I wouldn't knock it.My last charter was a 52 foot Beneteau which was fine, but not a patch on the fun we had with the old Chieftain! It was called Quill by the way, if anyone ever sees it around the Solent. I subsequently upgraded to a Pentland also called Quill. -- Yrs Quilly http://quilljar.users.btopenworld.com/gall.html "Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message news:0uskd3psm2kqigds94lev1lrj1huh5cpiu@4ax.com... |
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Re: Boat with a difference.
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 02:03:04 -0700, Ian <ian.groups@btinternet.com> wrote:
>On 2 Sep, 09:30, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote: >> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 23:26:36 -0700, Ian <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> wrote: >> >On 1 Sep, 13:51, "chrisR" <ch...@yachtsmen.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >> Owner interested in woodwork, willing to sacrifice sailing performance, >> >> >"Sailing performance"? It's a Centaur. >> >> Whoosh! > >The only way you'll get a Centaur to go "Whoosh!" is to drop it from a >Chinook ... > >> >Ian (owner of a Westerly, but a sporting one!) >> >> The one where the foredeck peels back and shouts "Surprise! Surprise!"? > >No, one of the ones where - like the Centaurs - the keel falls off >unless you do something about it (which I have). Laurent Giles had >some very optimistic ideas about attaching dirty great lumps of cast >iron to thin fibreglass hulls ... Mine had the problem fixed when it was built. -- Martin |
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Re: Boat with a difference.
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I wouldn't knock it.My > last charter was a 52 foot Beneteau which was fine, but not a patch on the > fun we had with the old Chieftain! <snip> The old rose tinting never fails  |
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Re: Boat with a difference.
On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:08:30 +0100, "Quilljar" <Not@home.today> wrote:
>Hey, my first real yacht was a Westerly Centaur...well a Chieftain actually. >It had wheel steering which you had to use benind you! I sailed an old wooden Halyard with the same arrangement. "Left hand behind your back down a little, Mr Mate." >In the 60s We thought it was the bees knees and so lucky to have such a >boat. you could even jump aboard without it rocking all over the place. We >could do 7 knots under engine without planing :-) >and with twin keels go up the shallowest >creeks and sit there safely overnight. It's ideal in the Netherlands. Over the years many long keeled boats have failed to follow me over sand banks. I caught four together with their spinnakers up one afternoon. :-) -- Martin |
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Re: Boat with a difference.
"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message news:urskd3l83553df4p4v5cq5qvf3r0jo41kn@4ax.com... > On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 02:35:48 +0100, "chrisR" <chris@yachtsmen.co.uk> wrote: > > > > >"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message > >news:55hjd3l159s9vk3h5katlvk1o2cqtmip6l@4ax.com.. . > >> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:59:50 GMT, ian@atsandelldot.codot.uk wrote: > >> > >> >On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:57:24 +0200, Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote: > >> > > >> >> I wonder if the 40' Centaur has ever been in the water since it was > >enhanced. > >> > > >> > > >> >Enhanced - yes, I bet Laurent Giles id turning in his grave wishing > >> >that he had thought of it. > >> > >> If he had considered that some people are taller than 5'6" and need an > >> appropriate length and width of berth, that would have been revolutionary > >> enough. > >> -- > >> > >> Martin > >> > >Is that the standing headroom and berth length in the Centaur? > > Front berth length. Main cabin berth is too narrow except for Lowry matchstick > men. > -- > > Martin > My W30 had Lowry settee berths even when I wasn't the size I am now. The pilot berth was like being in a coffin narrow but you couldn't fall out of it, quarter berth was ok if the chartable wasn't fitted over the head of it, and the forepeak berths, amazingly, were actually perfect as long as you didn't sit up in a hurry, and even had 1" thick fold up mahogany sides. My current Nicholson 26 has 4 full size berths and standing headroom in the main saloon but she is narrow by modern standards and trotter boxes limit space for galley and nav storage. Chris |
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Re: Boat with a difference.
On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 11:01:46 +0100, "Nigel"
<jassira_remove_this_bit_53@hotmail.com> wrote: ><snip> > > I wouldn't knock it.My >> last charter was a 52 foot Beneteau which was fine, but not a patch on the >> fun we had with the old Chieftain! > ><snip> > >The old rose tinting never fails > Nor the black eye patch :-) -- Martin |
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Re: Boat with a difference.
"Nigel" <jassira_remove_this_bit_53@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:46da8a12$0$13932$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk... > <snip> > > I wouldn't knock it.My > > last charter was a 52 foot Beneteau which was fine, but not a patch on the > > fun we had with the old Chieftain! > > <snip> > > The old rose tinting never fails > > I had great fun in my 17' 3" Express Pirate (with family aboard) around the Thames Estuary and East coast but I doubt I would even be able to stand on its foredeck these days. You could fix the tiller and steer by leaning slightly one way or the other if conditions were right. I think what made those days so happy was the simplicity, youth, and venturing in company of friends in small boats. There were no electronics apart from echo sounder and the sails were the main propulsion the o/b engine was only any use in flat calm. Nights were usually spent anchored at no cost. Going ashore in a tiny campari dinghy landing in the black mud. There was little pressure for all the things like liferafts, flares seemed to be longer dated and lifejackets cheaper. Yachtsmen would always help each other, theft seemed rare. Navigating the estuary was interesting with only traditional navigation methods available and the elusive beacons, withies and rare swatchway buoys. Even more fun in the fog. After graduating to slightly larger boats, Channel crossings were an adventure, the jubilation of landfall within sight of the planned destination, the trepidation when you didn't, wondering which side of your destination you were, the desperation of intermittent radio fixes somewhere in foreign foggy shallows. Gas bottles were under the cooker and you turned the gas bottle tap off as soon as cooker was off, petrol engines were common but everyone pumped bilges long after water was gone to clear gases and vapours before starting engines. Yes those were the fun days :-) I don't remember many incidents occurring in those days but I think most people who went sailing then started in dinghies and slowly worked up whereas now it seems there are some people who just start from scratch by buying a large yacht. Chris |
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Re: Boat with a difference.
> I sailed an old wooden Halyard with the same arrangement. "Left hand
> behind your > back down a little, Mr Mate." > >>In the 60s We thought it was the bees knees and so lucky to have such a >>boat. you could even jump aboard without it rocking all over the place. We >>could do 7 knots under engine > It's ideal in the Netherlands. Over the years many long keeled boats have > failed > to follow me over sand banks. I caught four together with their > spinnakers up > one afternoon. :-) <Snipped a bit.> Much of my early enjoyment was in a Lysander in Portsmouth Harbour. No compass, no lifejackets ( I did have some flares but a friend who crewed for me said he'd rather drown than call for help by using flares in the harbour. I didn't buy 'em, they came with the boat. ), no GPS no VHF. Irresponsible? Nah, we were young and very fit and could probably have swum to the nearest moored boat in the event of trouble. I never left the harbour. The only time I tried the mast fell down due to a dodgy chainplate. We hauled the whole mess back inboard and repaired it with ply. The biggest laugh was at the pub near the ferries. The Bridge Tavern I think it was. I could moor up before high tide, climb up the ladder and get a couple in before needing to sail back to the mooring. One summer's day it was really busy and the top of the wall was covered with drinkers enjoying the sun. I climbed up the ladder to find my way blocked by the backs of a bevy of young beauties chatting away about handbags and the like. All with their backs to the seawall facing inland of course. "Excuse me" I said, quite loudly, not realising the effect it would have on the drinking girls. They jumped a mile and shrieked so loudly you could have heard them in Southampton. I had to offer to replace two spilled drinks. Laugh? It was worth every penny. On the way back the little Lysander with its 18" draft could easily skip across the drying banks in the harbour, out of the marked channel. After Port Solent was built I could never understand why the gin palaces insisted on following me across the banks, becoming stranded with their 4 foot plus drafts. Anyone would have thought it was my fault the way they shouted when they ran aground. One bank holiday weekend a whole gaggle of 'em got stuck. I went back that night by car down the motorway & they were still there, lights ablaze in the cabins, waiting for the tide to come in. Laugh? Not 'arf. TonyB |
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Re: Boat with a difference.
On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 16:34:04 +0100, "TonyB" <hatt.j.bennett@tesco.net> wrote:
>> I sailed an old wooden Halyard with the same arrangement. "Left hand >> behind your >> back down a little, Mr Mate." >> >>>In the 60s We thought it was the bees knees and so lucky to have such a >>>boat. you could even jump aboard without it rocking all over the place. We >>>could do 7 knots under engine > >> It's ideal in the Netherlands. Over the years many long keeled boats have >> failed >> to follow me over sand banks. I caught four together with their >> spinnakers up >> one afternoon. :-) > ><Snipped a bit.> > > >Much of my early enjoyment was in a Lysander in Portsmouth Harbour. >No compass, no lifejackets ( I did have some flares but a friend who >crewed for me said he'd rather drown than call for help by using flares in >the >harbour. I didn't buy 'em, they came with the boat. ), no >GPS no VHF. Irresponsible? Nah, we were young and very fit and could >probably >have swum to the nearest moored boat in the event of trouble. > >I never left the harbour. The only time I tried the mast fell down due to a >dodgy chainplate. >We hauled the whole mess back inboard and repaired it with ply. > >The biggest laugh was at the pub near the ferries. The Bridge Tavern I think >it was. >I could moor up before high tide, climb up the ladder and get a couple in >before needing >to sail back to the mooring. One summer's day it was really busy and the top >of the wall >was covered with drinkers enjoying the sun. I climbed up the ladder to find >my way >blocked by the backs of a bevy of young beauties chatting away about >handbags and the like. >All with their backs to the seawall facing inland of course. > >"Excuse me" I said, quite loudly, not realising the effect it would have on >the drinking girls. >They jumped a mile and shrieked so loudly you could have heard them in >Southampton. >I had to offer to replace two spilled drinks. Laugh? It was worth every >penny. > >On the way back the little Lysander with its 18" draft could easily skip >across the drying >banks in the harbour, out of the marked channel. After Port Solent was >built I could never >understand why the gin palaces insisted on following me across the banks, >becoming >stranded with their 4 foot plus drafts. Anyone would have thought it was my >fault the way they >shouted when they ran aground. One bank holiday weekend a whole gaggle of >'em got stuck. > >I went back that night by car down the motorway & they were still there, >lights ablaze in the >cabins, waiting for the tide to come in. > >Laugh? Not 'arf. > >TonyB LOL!! -- Martin |
