12 volt electrics training

Nowadays, with so much electrical equipment on a yacht it can be effectively
disabled by electrical failure. However, the RYA do not 'do' a course on 12
volt electrics (a la Diesel Engine etc..). This seems like a major omission
to me. I asked their training manager about this and was told that there was
no visible demand for it. Is there? If so, how can we convince them?
I am untrained in electrics, but want to learn, and can't find any
institution prepared to teach me. I find learning such things from books
difficult and sterile to the point where I don't persevere. Can anyone
suggest a solution or offer advice?

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:46:34 -0000, "Duncan Heenan"
<duncanheenanTAKEOUT@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>Nowadays, with so much electrical equipment on a yacht it can be effectively
>disabled by electrical failure. However, the RYA do not 'do' a course on 12
>volt electrics (a la Diesel Engine etc..). This seems like a major omission
>to me. I asked their training manager about this and was told that there was
>no visible demand for it. Is there? If so, how can we convince them?
>I am untrained in electrics, but want to learn, and can't find any
>institution prepared to teach me. I find learning such things from books
>difficult and sterile to the point where I don't persevere.

Have you tried the 12 Volt Handbook or the 12 volt Bible?
If you can't understand them, I think you are wasting your time doing
a course.

The 12volt handbook is downloadable free from
http://motoren.ath.cx/

The book assumes minimal intelligence and zero knowledge. It was
originally aimed at Americans :-)

> Can anyone
>suggest a solution or offer advice?
>

Somebody from Reading College will now wake up and answer you.
I hope!
--
Martin

martin wrote:

> The 12volt handbook is downloadable free from
> http://motoren.ath.cx/

very handy link... thanx

--
COMPUTER POWER TO THE PEOPLE! DOWN WITH CYBERCRUD!

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:03:31 GMT, paul cooke
<paul_cooke@linux_NO_SPAM_mail.org> wrote:

>martin wrote:
>
>> The 12volt handbook is downloadable free from
>> http://motoren.ath.cx/
>
>very handy link... thanx

If you can add to what is there already, every contribution is
welcomed by the site owner!
--
Martin

"Duncan Heenan" <duncanheenanTAKEOUT@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3fffe60f$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Nowadays, with so much electrical equipment on a yacht it can be
effectively
> disabled by electrical failure. However, the RYA do not 'do' a course on
12
> volt electrics (a la Diesel Engine etc..). This seems like a major
omission
> to me. I asked their training manager about this and was told that there
was
> no visible demand for it. Is there? If so, how can we convince them?
> I am untrained in electrics, but want to learn, and can't find any
> institution prepared to teach me. I find learning such things from books
> difficult and sterile to the point where I don't persevere. Can anyone
> suggest a solution or offer advice?
>
>

Typical RYA !!!

Yes there is a demand, I have proved it

Courses organised and set to run starting in March. If the reception of our
maintenance classes and the comparison with some of the RYA offerings are
anything to go by, they should be good - we will see.

Look on www.reading-college.ac.uk/marine & then phone Eliane Zimmer on 0118
9675074 if you like what you see, but be quick, I have just sent out 42
enrolment packs for 36 places before August more from Sept onwards - but I
bet the price will go up!

We would be very happy to consider franchising our courses to the RYA if
thay can ensure tutors who are experienced in the trade, and properly
qualified to instruct and assess. dig-dig ;-)

Tony Brooks

Tony Brooks

>The book assumes minimal intelligence and zero knowledge. It was
originally aimed at Americans :-)<

Actually it was intended as inhouse training material for folks at Lucas
Electrics.

"martin" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:eoqvvv4lbsf8q59fhvaop730bhe1na5aud@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:46:34 -0000, "Duncan Heenan"
> <duncanheenanTAKEOUT@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Nowadays, with so much electrical equipment on a yacht it can be
effectively
> >disabled by electrical failure. However, the RYA do not 'do' a course
on 12
> >volt electrics (a la Diesel Engine etc..). This seems like a major
omission
> >to me. I asked their training manager about this and was told that
there was
> >no visible demand for it. Is there? If so, how can we convince them?
> >I am untrained in electrics, but want to learn, and can't find any
> >institution prepared to teach me. I find learning such things from
books
> >difficult and sterile to the point where I don't persevere.
>
> Have you tried the 12 Volt Handbook or the 12 volt Bible?
> If you can't understand them, I think you are wasting your time doing
> a course.
>
> The 12volt handbook is downloadable free from
> http://motoren.ath.cx/
>
> The book assumes minimal intelligence and zero knowledge. It was
> originally aimed at Americans :-)
>
> > Can anyone
> >suggest a solution or offer advice?
> >
>
> Somebody from Reading College will now wake up and answer you.
> I hope!
> --
> Martin

I am guessing that the sort of stuff that apprentice car mechanics learn,
especially in their first and second years of TAFE (aka Trade or technical
college) classes is the sorta thing a boaty would find useful to know

Perhaps communicating with the supervisor of a local Tafe/college in your
area, he may arrange a tutor or allow you to sit in on classes

Years ago, when I lived in NZ, I bought the 2 recommended texts for car
mechanics apprentices

"Mechanics of the motor vehicle" and "Electiricty for motor mechanics"

Obviously the mechanics book is engines gearboxes and diffs, and the
electrics book is general 12 v electrics as auto mechanics would need to
know. Specialist auto-electricians would have far more detailed texts, no
doubt

both of these books were cheap-ish (some 20+ years ago I admit) and were
produced by the"NZ technical correspondence institue, Dept of Education"
The books were the umpteenth revision and print-run. Updated rsemi
regularly, they covered auto trans, alternators and are in metric units

However I assume that similar are available in UK, produced local to you

I haven't had need to refer to my books in years but they were invaluable
texts as I's learning

I remember a quote from the Electrics book, that, at the time, it was mostly
LUCAS based, as that was effectively the default standard
, for New Zealand (being mostly UK cars on the road, until more recently,
the Jap invasion)

Nowadays obviously there's a lot more Bosch and Japanese stuff

Them's my thoughts

Catherine
Rural/outback Western Australia

On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:24:35 GMT, "Gordon Wedman" <PacG@telus.net>
wrote:

> >The book assumes minimal intelligence and zero knowledge. It was
> originally aimed at Americans :-)<
>
> Actually it was intended as inhouse training material for folks at Lucas
>Electrics.

:-)

>
> "martin" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>news:eoqvvv4lbsf8q59fhvaop730bhe1na5aud@4ax.com.. .
> > On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:46:34 -0000, "Duncan Heenan"
> > <duncanheenanTAKEOUT@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > >Nowadays, with so much electrical equipment on a yacht it can be
>effectively
> > >disabled by electrical failure. However, the RYA do not 'do' a course
>on 12
> > >volt electrics (a la Diesel Engine etc..). This seems like a major
>omission
> > >to me. I asked their training manager about this and was told that
>there was
> > >no visible demand for it. Is there? If so, how can we convince them?
> > >I am untrained in electrics, but want to learn, and can't find any
> > >institution prepared to teach me. I find learning such things from
>books
> > >difficult and sterile to the point where I don't persevere.
> >
> > Have you tried the 12 Volt Handbook or the 12 volt Bible?
> > If you can't understand them, I think you are wasting your time doing
> > a course.
> >
> > The 12volt handbook is downloadable free from
> > http://motoren.ath.cx/
> >
> > The book assumes minimal intelligence and zero knowledge. It was
> > originally aimed at Americans :-)
> >
> > > Can anyone
> > >suggest a solution or offer advice?
> > >
> >
> > Somebody from Reading College will now wake up and answer you.
> > I hope!
> > --
> > Martin
>

--
Martin

Tony Brooks wrote:
> "Duncan Heenan" <duncanheenanTAKEOUT@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3fffe60f$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> Nowadays, with so much electrical equipment on a yacht it can be
>> effectively disabled by electrical failure. However, the RYA do not
>> 'do' a course on 12 volt electrics (a la Diesel Engine etc..). This
>> seems like a major omission to me. I asked their training manager
>> about this and was told that there was no visible demand for it. Is
>> there? If so, how can we convince them?
>> I am untrained in electrics, but want to learn, and can't find any
>> institution prepared to teach me. I find learning such things from
>> books difficult and sterile to the point where I don't persevere.
>> Can anyone suggest a solution or offer advice?
>>
>>
>
>
> Typical RYA !!!
>
> Yes there is a demand, I have proved it
>
> Courses organised and set to run starting in March. If the reception
> of our maintenance classes and the comparison with some of the RYA
> offerings are anything to go by, they should be good - we will see.
>
> Look on www.reading-college.ac.uk/marine & then phone Eliane Zimmer
> on 0118 9675074 if you like what you see, but be quick, I have just
> sent out 42 enrolment packs for 36 places before August more from
> Sept onwards - but I bet the price will go up!
>
> We would be very happy to consider franchising our courses to the RYA
> if thay can ensure tutors who are experienced in the trade, and
> properly qualified to instruct and assess. dig-dig ;-)
>
> Tony Brooks
>
> Tony Brooks

Having had the experience of selling a second-hand inverter to a fellow
berth-holder, who said he intended to use it to power a 240-volt battery
charger whilst at anchor or on a mooring, I think both the book and the
proposed RYA courses would benefit most owners who are not otherwise
electrically-minded! Think about it!

Remove "nospam" from return address.

"Dennis Pogson" <dennispogson@ntlworld.com> writes:
> Having had the experience of selling a second-hand inverter to a fellow
> berth-holder, who said he intended to use it to power a 240-volt battery
> charger whilst at anchor or on a mooring, I think both the book and the
> proposed RYA courses would benefit most owners who are not otherwise
> electrically-minded! Think about it!

Well, if he were running the engine charging one battery with alternator,
and he was independently charging a different battery with a smart charger,
that'll do a better job than the engine, via the 240V inverter, he may have
a point. But I'm with you in really really doubting it. ;-)

Or if he had powerful solar but a dumb regulator system?

I had a similar double take when I spotted in B&Q or similar, a useful
product called a "cordless battery charger"...

- Huge

"Dennis Pogson" <dennispogson@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:SGWMb.1363$Uu6.471@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net...
..> Having had the experience of selling a second-hand inverter to a fellow
> berth-holder, who said he intended to use it to power a 240-volt battery
> charger whilst at anchor or on a mooring, I think both the book and the
> proposed RYA courses would benefit most owners who are not otherwise
> electrically-minded! Think about it!
>
> Remove "nospam" from return address.

When he's charged his battery, no doubt he'll use it to start up his
perpetual motion engine, which powers the anti-gravity machine :-)

In article <400445e2_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, Duncan Heenan
<duncanheenanTAKEOUT@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> When he's charged his battery, no doubt he'll use it to start up
> his perpetual motion engine, which powers the anti-gravity machine

Can you post a url? I would like one of each for which I will
happily exchange 2 empty bottles of a superior malt:-))

--
A T (Sandy) Morton
on the Bicycle Island
In the Global Village
http://www.sandymillport.fsnet.co.uk

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:13:20 +0000 (GMT), Sandy Morton
<atm@sandymillport.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <400445e2_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, Duncan Heenan
><duncanheenanTAKEOUT@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> When he's charged his battery, no doubt he'll use it to start up
>> his perpetual motion engine, which powers the anti-gravity machine
>
>Can you post a url? I would like one of each for which I will
>happily exchange 2 empty bottles of a superior malt:-))

not your two perpetually empty bottles?
--
Martin

In article <3c3b00519oblcm28nfh15tngtn6v8kcdht@4ax.com>, martin
<me@privacy.net> wrote:
> >Can you post a url? I would like one of each for which I will
> >happily exchange 2 empty bottles of a superior malt:-))

> not your two perpetually empty bottles?

They are only empty until the duty free reopens in the morning:-)

--
A T (Sandy) Morton
on the Bicycle Island
In the Global Village
http://www.sandymillport.fsnet.co.uk

"Sandy Morton" <atm@sandymillport.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4c70d8cdecatm@sandymillport.fsnet.co.uk...
> In article <3c3b00519oblcm28nfh15tngtn6v8kcdht@4ax.com>, martin
> <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> > >Can you post a url? I would like one of each for which I will
> > >happily exchange 2 empty bottles of a superior malt:-))
>
> > not your two perpetually empty bottles?
>
> They are only empty until the duty free reopens in the morning:-)
>

A T (Sandy) Morton
> on the Bicycle Island
> In the Global Village
> http://www.sandymillport.fsnet.co.uk

Thought the duty free in Millport was open 24/7?

In article <ApuNb.32$V97.90051@newsfep2-gui.server.ntli.net>, Dennis
Pogson <dennispogson@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Thought the duty free in Millport was open 24/7?

Shhh!!!

--
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	#1
Duncan Heenan	12 volt electrics training Nowadays, with so much electrical equipment on a yacht it can be effectively disabled by electrical failure. However, the RYA do not 'do' a course on 12 volt electrics (a la Diesel Engine etc..). This seems like a major omission to me. I asked their training manager about this and was told that there was no visible demand for it. Is there? If so, how can we convince them? I am untrained in electrics, but want to learn, and can't find any institution prepared to teach me. I find learning such things from books difficult and sterile to the point where I don't persevere. Can anyone suggest a solution or offer advice?

	#2
martin	Re: 12 volt electrics training On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:46:34 -0000, "Duncan Heenan" <duncanheenanTAKEOUT@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >Nowadays, with so much electrical equipment on a yacht it can be effectively >disabled by electrical failure. However, the RYA do not 'do' a course on 12 >volt electrics (a la Diesel Engine etc..). This seems like a major omission >to me. I asked their training manager about this and was told that there was >no visible demand for it. Is there? If so, how can we convince them? >I am untrained in electrics, but want to learn, and can't find any >institution prepared to teach me. I find learning such things from books >difficult and sterile to the point where I don't persevere. Have you tried the 12 Volt Handbook or the 12 volt Bible? If you can't understand them, I think you are wasting your time doing a course. The 12volt handbook is downloadable free from http://motoren.ath.cx/ The book assumes minimal intelligence and zero knowledge. It was originally aimed at Americans :-) > Can anyone >suggest a solution or offer advice? > Somebody from Reading College will now wake up and answer you. I hope! -- Martin

	#3
paul cooke	Re: 12 volt electrics training martin wrote: > The 12volt handbook is downloadable free from > http://motoren.ath.cx/ very handy link... thanx -- COMPUTER POWER TO THE PEOPLE! DOWN WITH CYBERCRUD!

	#5
Tony Brooks	Re: 12 volt electrics training "Duncan Heenan" <duncanheenanTAKEOUT@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message news:3fffe60f$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com... > Nowadays, with so much electrical equipment on a yacht it can be effectively > disabled by electrical failure. However, the RYA do not 'do' a course on 12 > volt electrics (a la Diesel Engine etc..). This seems like a major omission > to me. I asked their training manager about this and was told that there was > no visible demand for it. Is there? If so, how can we convince them? > I am untrained in electrics, but want to learn, and can't find any > institution prepared to teach me. I find learning such things from books > difficult and sterile to the point where I don't persevere. Can anyone > suggest a solution or offer advice? > > Typical RYA !!! Yes there is a demand, I have proved it Courses organised and set to run starting in March. If the reception of our maintenance classes and the comparison with some of the RYA offerings are anything to go by, they should be good - we will see. Look on www.reading-college.ac.uk/marine & then phone Eliane Zimmer on 0118 9675074 if you like what you see, but be quick, I have just sent out 42 enrolment packs for 36 places before August more from Sept onwards - but I bet the price will go up! We would be very happy to consider franchising our courses to the RYA if thay can ensure tutors who are experienced in the trade, and properly qualified to instruct and assess. dig-dig ;-) Tony Brooks Tony Brooks

	#6
Gordon Wedman	Re: 12 volt electrics training >The book assumes minimal intelligence and zero knowledge. It was originally aimed at Americans :-)< Actually it was intended as inhouse training material for folks at Lucas Electrics. "martin" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:eoqvvv4lbsf8q59fhvaop730bhe1na5aud@4ax.com... > On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:46:34 -0000, "Duncan Heenan" > <duncanheenanTAKEOUT@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > > >Nowadays, with so much electrical equipment on a yacht it can be effectively > >disabled by electrical failure. However, the RYA do not 'do' a course on 12 > >volt electrics (a la Diesel Engine etc..). This seems like a major omission > >to me. I asked their training manager about this and was told that there was > >no visible demand for it. Is there? If so, how can we convince them? > >I am untrained in electrics, but want to learn, and can't find any > >institution prepared to teach me. I find learning such things from books > >difficult and sterile to the point where I don't persevere. > > Have you tried the 12 Volt Handbook or the 12 volt Bible? > If you can't understand them, I think you are wasting your time doing > a course. > > The 12volt handbook is downloadable free from > http://motoren.ath.cx/ > > The book assumes minimal intelligence and zero knowledge. It was > originally aimed at Americans :-) > > > Can anyone > >suggest a solution or offer advice? > > > > Somebody from Reading College will now wake up and answer you. > I hope! > -- > Martin

	#7
Catherine Jemma	Re: 12 volt electrics training I am guessing that the sort of stuff that apprentice car mechanics learn, especially in their first and second years of TAFE (aka Trade or technical college) classes is the sorta thing a boaty would find useful to know Perhaps communicating with the supervisor of a local Tafe/college in your area, he may arrange a tutor or allow you to sit in on classes Years ago, when I lived in NZ, I bought the 2 recommended texts for car mechanics apprentices "Mechanics of the motor vehicle" and "Electiricty for motor mechanics" Obviously the mechanics book is engines gearboxes and diffs, and the electrics book is general 12 v electrics as auto mechanics would need to know. Specialist auto-electricians would have far more detailed texts, no doubt both of these books were cheap-ish (some 20+ years ago I admit) and were produced by the"NZ technical correspondence institue, Dept of Education" The books were the umpteenth revision and print-run. Updated rsemi regularly, they covered auto trans, alternators and are in metric units However I assume that similar are available in UK, produced local to you I haven't had need to refer to my books in years but they were invaluable texts as I's learning I remember a quote from the Electrics book, that, at the time, it was mostly LUCAS based, as that was effectively the default standard , for New Zealand (being mostly UK cars on the road, until more recently, the Jap invasion) Nowadays obviously there's a lot more Bosch and Japanese stuff Them's my thoughts Catherine Rural/outback Western Australia

	#8
martin	Re: 12 volt electrics training On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:24:35 GMT, "Gordon Wedman" <PacG@telus.net> wrote: > >The book assumes minimal intelligence and zero knowledge. It was > originally aimed at Americans :-)< > > Actually it was intended as inhouse training material for folks at Lucas >Electrics. :-) > > "martin" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message >news:eoqvvv4lbsf8q59fhvaop730bhe1na5aud@4ax.com.. . > > On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:46:34 -0000, "Duncan Heenan" > > <duncanheenanTAKEOUT@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > > > > >Nowadays, with so much electrical equipment on a yacht it can be >effectively > > >disabled by electrical failure. However, the RYA do not 'do' a course >on 12 > > >volt electrics (a la Diesel Engine etc..). This seems like a major >omission > > >to me. I asked their training manager about this and was told that >there was > > >no visible demand for it. Is there? If so, how can we convince them? > > >I am untrained in electrics, but want to learn, and can't find any > > >institution prepared to teach me. I find learning such things from >books > > >difficult and sterile to the point where I don't persevere. > > > > Have you tried the 12 Volt Handbook or the 12 volt Bible? > > If you can't understand them, I think you are wasting your time doing > > a course. > > > > The 12volt handbook is downloadable free from > > http://motoren.ath.cx/ > > > > The book assumes minimal intelligence and zero knowledge. It was > > originally aimed at Americans :-) > > > > > Can anyone > > >suggest a solution or offer advice? > > > > > > > Somebody from Reading College will now wake up and answer you. > > I hope! > > -- > > Martin > -- Martin

	#9
Dennis Pogson	Re: 12 volt electrics training Tony Brooks wrote: > "Duncan Heenan" <duncanheenanTAKEOUT@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message > news:3fffe60f$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com... >> Nowadays, with so much electrical equipment on a yacht it can be >> effectively disabled by electrical failure. However, the RYA do not >> 'do' a course on 12 volt electrics (a la Diesel Engine etc..). This >> seems like a major omission to me. I asked their training manager >> about this and was told that there was no visible demand for it. Is >> there? If so, how can we convince them? >> I am untrained in electrics, but want to learn, and can't find any >> institution prepared to teach me. I find learning such things from >> books difficult and sterile to the point where I don't persevere. >> Can anyone suggest a solution or offer advice? >> >> > > > Typical RYA !!! > > Yes there is a demand, I have proved it > > Courses organised and set to run starting in March. If the reception > of our maintenance classes and the comparison with some of the RYA > offerings are anything to go by, they should be good - we will see. > > Look on www.reading-college.ac.uk/marine & then phone Eliane Zimmer > on 0118 9675074 if you like what you see, but be quick, I have just > sent out 42 enrolment packs for 36 places before August more from > Sept onwards - but I bet the price will go up! > > We would be very happy to consider franchising our courses to the RYA > if thay can ensure tutors who are experienced in the trade, and > properly qualified to instruct and assess. dig-dig ;-) > > Tony Brooks > > Tony Brooks Having had the experience of selling a second-hand inverter to a fellow berth-holder, who said he intended to use it to power a 240-volt battery charger whilst at anchor or on a mooring, I think both the book and the proposed RYA courses would benefit most owners who are not otherwise electrically-minded! Think about it! Remove "nospam" from return address.

	#10
Hugo 'NOx' Tyson	Re: 12 volt electrics training "Dennis Pogson" <dennispogson@ntlworld.com> writes: > Having had the experience of selling a second-hand inverter to a fellow > berth-holder, who said he intended to use it to power a 240-volt battery > charger whilst at anchor or on a mooring, I think both the book and the > proposed RYA courses would benefit most owners who are not otherwise > electrically-minded! Think about it! Well, if he were running the engine charging one battery with alternator, and he was independently charging a different battery with a smart charger, that'll do a better job than the engine, via the 240V inverter, he may have a point. But I'm with you in really really doubting it. ;-) Or if he had powerful solar but a dumb regulator system? I had a similar double take when I spotted in B&Q or similar, a useful product called a "cordless battery charger"... - Huge

	#12
Sandy Morton	Re: 12 volt electrics training In article <400445e2_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, Duncan Heenan <duncanheenanTAKEOUT@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > When he's charged his battery, no doubt he'll use it to start up > his perpetual motion engine, which powers the anti-gravity machine Can you post a url? I would like one of each for which I will happily exchange 2 empty bottles of a superior malt:-)) -- A T (Sandy) Morton on the Bicycle Island In the Global Village http://www.sandymillport.fsnet.co.uk

	#13
martin	Re: 12 volt electrics training On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:13:20 +0000 (GMT), Sandy Morton <atm@sandymillport.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: >In article <400445e2_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, Duncan Heenan ><duncanheenanTAKEOUT@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >> When he's charged his battery, no doubt he'll use it to start up >> his perpetual motion engine, which powers the anti-gravity machine > >Can you post a url? I would like one of each for which I will >happily exchange 2 empty bottles of a superior malt:-)) not your two perpetually empty bottles? -- Martin

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Dennis Pogson	Re: 12 volt electrics training "Sandy Morton" <atm@sandymillport.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:4c70d8cdecatm@sandymillport.fsnet.co.uk... > In article <3c3b00519oblcm28nfh15tngtn6v8kcdht@4ax.com>, martin > <me@privacy.net> wrote: > > >Can you post a url? I would like one of each for which I will > > >happily exchange 2 empty bottles of a superior malt:-)) > > > not your two perpetually empty bottles? > > They are only empty until the duty free reopens in the morning:-) > A T (Sandy) Morton > on the Bicycle Island > In the Global Village > http://www.sandymillport.fsnet.co.uk Thought the duty free in Millport was open 24/7?

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violet	Hello friends Due to the exciting choices available, the electrical industry offers jobs that many people choose. For simplicity’s sake we will use the phrase Electrical Industry to cover off the more accurate term of “Electro-Mechanical Engineering”. As there are a wide variety of global standards, we will focus on those from the UK and in particular those relating to the domestic and commercial markets. Due to the huge list of opportunities available for a career in the electrical industry, we have to begin by focusing on the main areas and look at the ‘add-ons’ later on. The electrical market has in our opinion two methods of entry. The primary route is the apprenticeship which is considered the more traditional and then we have the second phase for those who are joining at a later stage. There are two sets of people for consideration firstly the ‘Junior Entrants’ and secondly the ‘Mature Entrants’. People who do not want to pay any extra salaries, but want to enter the industry with the focus of being self employed are who we refer to as Mature Entrants. By contrast, Junior entrants would seek to work with an established electrical firm and build their skill-sets as they train. This could be a young apprentice’s first position since leaving school, so it will be necessary to pick up supplementary working skills. The different ways into electrical work have two distinct types of training: NVQ’s are the key factor for all junior entrants. Whilst the core syllabus is relatively similar to non-NVQ commercial training, there is a particular requirement to attain the actual NVQ qualifications as part of the overall training program. This means that work programs or apprenticeships have to be sought in order to arrange the necessary course work and testing phases of work. Keep sharing in future Tuition London Last edited by violet : 02-25-2010 at 10:40 AM.