Tom Robinson

http://www.silicon.com/retailandleis...9164972,00.htm

The Swiss-based team has been using the computer - called Albert 2 -
at its HQ in Hinwil, Switzerland since early December to develop the
complex aerodynamic components for its 2007 car.

Using a process called computational fluid dynamics (CFD) the team can
simulate airflow around parts to aid downforce and aerodynamics and to
improve the efficiency of engine and brake cooling.

Albert 2 uses 1,024 Intel processor cores, has a total memory of
2,048GB and a maximum power of 12,288 GigaFlops. On average, it's
around three times faster than its predecessor (Albert 1) and can
perform calculations with greater accuracy than before.

The demands that CFD creates mean the team makes full use of the
Albert 2's power. CFD uses numerical grid models to calculate the
performance of aero parts, some of which consist of more than 100
million cells.

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Blast Off!2

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:42:55 +0000, Tom Robinson <me@privacy.net>
wrote:

>http://www.silicon.com/retailandleis...9164972,00.htm
>
>The Swiss-based team has been using the computer - called Albert 2 -
>at its HQ in Hinwil, Switzerland since early December to develop the
>complex aerodynamic components for its 2007 car.
>
>Using a process called computational fluid dynamics (CFD) the team can
>simulate airflow around parts to aid downforce and aerodynamics and to
>improve the efficiency of engine and brake cooling.
>
>Albert 2 uses 1,024 Intel processor cores, has a total memory of
>2,048GB and a maximum power of 12,288 GigaFlops. On average, it's
>around three times faster than its predecessor (Albert 1) and can
>perform calculations with greater accuracy than before.
>
>The demands that CFD creates mean the team makes full use of the
>Albert 2's power. CFD uses numerical grid models to calculate the
>performance of aero parts, some of which consist of more than 100
>million cells.
>
And they'll still never win a championship!

Dave Ryman

Tom Robinson <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:6hatp2pa0t12703v5qdqrubigb9vqsc2ba@4ax.com:

> http://www.silicon.com/retailandleis...9164972,00.htm
>
> The Swiss-based team has been using the computer - called Albert 2 -
> at its HQ in Hinwil, Switzerland since early December to develop the
> complex aerodynamic components for its 2007 car.
>
> Using a process called computational fluid dynamics (CFD) the team can
> simulate airflow around parts to aid downforce and aerodynamics and to
> improve the efficiency of engine and brake cooling.
>
> Albert 2 uses 1,024 Intel processor cores, has a total memory of
> 2,048GB and a maximum power of 12,288 GigaFlops. On average, it's
> around three times faster than its predecessor (Albert 1) and can
> perform calculations with greater accuracy than before.
>
> The demands that CFD creates mean the team makes full use of the
> Albert 2's power. CFD uses numerical grid models to calculate the
> performance of aero parts, some of which consist of more than 100
> million cells.
>

Basically 1024 PCs stapled together.

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Steve Firth

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:42:55 +0000, Tom Robinson wrote:

> http://www.silicon.com/retailandleis...9164972,00.htm
>
> The Swiss-based team has been using the computer - called Albert 2 -
> at its HQ in Hinwil, Switzerland since early December to develop the
> complex aerodynamic components for its 2007 car.
>
> Using a process called computational fluid dynamics (CFD) the team can
> simulate airflow around parts to aid downforce and aerodynamics and to
> improve the efficiency of engine and brake cooling.
>
> Albert 2 uses 1,024 Intel processor cores, has a total memory of
> 2,048GB and a maximum power of 12,288 GigaFlops. On average, it's
> around three times faster than its predecessor (Albert 1) and can
> perform calculations with greater accuracy than before.
>
> The demands that CFD creates mean the team makes full use of the
> Albert 2's power. CFD uses numerical grid models to calculate the
> performance of aero parts, some of which consist of more than 100
> million cells.

Errm what makes you think other teams don't do the same?

Tom Robinson

On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:55:25 +0000, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk>
wrote:

>On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:42:55 +0000, Tom Robinson wrote:
>
>> http://www.silicon.com/retailandleis...9164972,00.htm
>>
>> The Swiss-based team has been using the computer - called Albert 2 -
>> at its HQ in Hinwil, Switzerland since early December to develop the
>> complex aerodynamic components for its 2007 car.
>>
>> Using a process called computational fluid dynamics (CFD) the team can
>> simulate airflow around parts to aid downforce and aerodynamics and to
>> improve the efficiency of engine and brake cooling.
>>
>> Albert 2 uses 1,024 Intel processor cores, has a total memory of
>> 2,048GB and a maximum power of 12,288 GigaFlops. On average, it's
>> around three times faster than its predecessor (Albert 1) and can
>> perform calculations with greater accuracy than before.
>>
>> The demands that CFD creates mean the team makes full use of the
>> Albert 2's power. CFD uses numerical grid models to calculate the
>> performance of aero parts, some of which consist of more than 100
>> million cells.
>
>Errm what makes you think other teams don't do the same?

Nothing. But Sauber's is apparently "the fastest supercomputer in
industrial use in Europe". Obviously the other teams each have
something similar, but Sauber's is faster.

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Paul Giverin

In message <ngt3q2tgftnvngbgkltl7pr48c8u38ds54@4ax.com>, Tom Robinson
<me@privacy.net> writes
>On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:55:25 +0000, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Errm what makes you think other teams don't do the same?
>
>Nothing. But Sauber's is apparently "the fastest supercomputer in
>industrial use in Europe". Obviously the other teams each have
>something similar, but Sauber's is faster.
>
So we should see the computer on the podium this year?



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Steve Firth

On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 07:44:59 +0000, Tom Robinson wrote:

>>Errm what makes you think other teams don't do the same?
>
> Nothing. But Sauber's is apparently "the fastest supercomputer in
> industrial use in Europe". Obviously the other teams each have
> something similar, but Sauber's is faster.

Hmm, I doubt it, anyway other teams rent time on military hardware. So
perhaps Sauber's boast is just that they can afford to buy a computer that
is slightly less powerful than the ones that other reams rent?

Blast Off!2

On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:36:00 +0000, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk>
wrote:

>On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 07:44:59 +0000, Tom Robinson wrote:
>
>>>Errm what makes you think other teams don't do the same?
>>
>> Nothing. But Sauber's is apparently "the fastest supercomputer in
>> industrial use in Europe". Obviously the other teams each have
>> something similar, but Sauber's is faster.
>
>Hmm, I doubt it, anyway other teams rent time on military hardware. So
>perhaps Sauber's boast is just that they can afford to buy a computer that
>is slightly less powerful than the ones that other reams rent?
I suppose if thats the case, its a situation where it might be better
to buy a car that you can drive at 50 mph 24/7 than it is to rent a
car than you can drive at 60 once in a while.

Steve Firth

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 02:27:10 GMT, Blast Off!2 wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:36:00 +0000, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 07:44:59 +0000, Tom Robinson wrote:
>>
>>>>Errm what makes you think other teams don't do the same?
>>>
>>> Nothing. But Sauber's is apparently "the fastest supercomputer in
>>> industrial use in Europe". Obviously the other teams each have
>>> something similar, but Sauber's is faster.
>>
>>Hmm, I doubt it, anyway other teams rent time on military hardware. So
>>perhaps Sauber's boast is just that they can afford to buy a computer that
>>is slightly less powerful than the ones that other reams rent?
> I suppose if thats the case, its a situation where it might be better
> to buy a car that you can drive at 50 mph 24/7 than it is to rent a
> car than you can drive at 60 once in a while.

The difference is that other teams rent a complete service, including the
services of some of the best CFD aerodynamicists in the UK. It's more like
the difference between taking your BMW330 on the Nurburgring or getting
Sabina to take you round in an M5.

Although things may well have changed since it's now several years since I
was involved with anything to do with F1. For example those teams that used
to rent military wind tunnel time have now built their own or bought the
tunnels they used to rent, it's possible that many of them have now bought
the software, staff and systems they want.

Tom Robinson

On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:36:00 +0000, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk>
wrote:

>On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 07:44:59 +0000, Tom Robinson wrote:
>
>>>Errm what makes you think other teams don't do the same?
>>
>> Nothing. But Sauber's is apparently "the fastest supercomputer in
>> industrial use in Europe". Obviously the other teams each have
>> something similar, but Sauber's is faster.
>
>Hmm, I doubt it, anyway other teams rent time on military hardware. So
>perhaps Sauber's boast is just that they can afford to buy a computer that
>is slightly less powerful than the ones that other reams rent?

Depends how much time you can afford to rent. If it's only 4 hours a
day, and you have a machine half as fast but available to use 24/7,
it's better innit.

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On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:22:08 +0000, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk>
wrote:

>On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 02:27:10 GMT, Blast Off!2 wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:36:00 +0000, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 07:44:59 +0000, Tom Robinson wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Errm what makes you think other teams don't do the same?
>>>>
>>>> Nothing. But Sauber's is apparently "the fastest supercomputer in
>>>> industrial use in Europe". Obviously the other teams each have
>>>> something similar, but Sauber's is faster.
>>>
>>>Hmm, I doubt it, anyway other teams rent time on military hardware. So
>>>perhaps Sauber's boast is just that they can afford to buy a computer that
>>>is slightly less powerful than the ones that other reams rent?
>> I suppose if thats the case, its a situation where it might be better
>> to buy a car that you can drive at 50 mph 24/7 than it is to rent a
>> car than you can drive at 60 once in a while.
>
>The difference is that other teams rent a complete service, including the
>services of some of the best CFD aerodynamicists in the UK. It's more like
>the difference between taking your BMW330 on the Nurburgring or getting
>Sabina to take you round in an M5.
Yeah but what are we measuring?! Id probably learn more driving myself
all day than I would having 1 lap with sabine