Podiums in first two GPs

Pete Arundell 3rd 1964 Monaco GP Lotus 25
3rd 1964 Dutch GP

Lewis Hamilton 3rd 2007 Australian GP McLaren MP4/22
2nd Malaysian GP

Note: Arundell had previously appeared in practice for the 1963 French GP.
However, he didn't enter the GP because he competed in the F.Junior event
instead.

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Brian W Lawrence
Wantage,
Oxfordshire, UK
Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com

Brian Lawrence wrote:
> Pete Arundell 3rd 1964 Monaco GP Lotus 25
> 3rd 1964 Dutch GP
>
> Lewis Hamilton 3rd 2007 Australian GP McLaren MP4/22
> 2nd Malaysian GP
>
> Note: Arundell had previously appeared in practice for the 1963
> French GP. However, he didn't enter the GP because he competed in the
> F.Junior event instead.

Yes, but how many future World Champions debuted in seriously competitive
cars?
--
John Briggs

"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> Brian Lawrence wrote:
>> Pete Arundell 3rd 1964 Monaco GP Lotus 25
>> 3rd 1964 Dutch GP
>>
>> Lewis Hamilton 3rd 2007 Australian GP McLaren MP4/22
>> 2nd Malaysian GP
>>
>> Note: Arundell had previously appeared in practice for the 1963
>> French GP. However, he didn't enter the GP because he competed in the
>> F.Junior event instead.
>
> Yes, but how many future World Champions debuted in seriously competitive cars?

Well, Farina, Fangio, Ascari, Phil Hill (apart from his debut race), Stewart
(scored points in first 6 GPs, with 4 podiums), Fittipaldi, Andretti,
Jacques Villeneuve. Just a few.

Depending how you define "seriously competitive" of course.

--

Brian

"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in
news:Sf5Sh.932$tl2.487@newsfe4-win.ntli.net:

> Brian Lawrence wrote:
>> Pete Arundell 3rd 1964 Monaco GP Lotus 25
>> 3rd 1964 Dutch GP
>>
>> Lewis Hamilton 3rd 2007 Australian GP McLaren MP4/22
>> 2nd Malaysian GP
>>
>> Note: Arundell had previously appeared in practice for the 1963
>> French GP. However, he didn't enter the GP because he competed in the
>> F.Junior event instead.
>
> Yes, but how many future World Champions debuted in seriously
> competitive cars?

I'm impressed with LH's podia in his first two races, and I'm also slightly
impressed that he led both races (although given the podium positions, this
is almost a given).

In addition to all that, though, what really impresses me is his skill and
intelligence out on the track - he's eating other drivers for breakfast
(well, high tea in this case). He clearly doesn't like South American food
- he spat Massa out: "I tricked him" was more-or-less his phrase in the
drivers' interview. I know a few people with IQs well above 150 (funnily
enough a lot of them in the same family): The way the mind can operate at
those levels is awesome, and I'm seriously impressed with a guy who can
orchestrate that sort of move in those conditions so early in his career.
We've seen even the likes of MS try moves like that and f*** it up. The
first corner of lap one showed far more than average ability, too.

Also, his lack of "respect" for experienced and/or great drivers out on the
race track reminds me of the young Jean Alesi holding off Senna years back:
I don't know how many of the readers of this newsgroup extend back to the
early 90s, but I'm pretty sure that any of you who saw that race will not
have forgotten the experience. I'm also pretty sure that few of us will
forget LH's performance today.

--
Regards,
Dave

email: dave_ryman@hotmailNOSPAM.com

My Homepage: http://homepages.tesco.net/david.ryman/
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"Dave Ryman" <dave_rymanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns990CA8C885CF9daverymanhotmailcom@62.253.17 0.163...
> "John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in
> news:Sf5Sh.932$tl2.487@newsfe4-win.ntli.net:
>
>> Brian Lawrence wrote:
>>> Pete Arundell 3rd 1964 Monaco GP Lotus 25
>>> 3rd 1964 Dutch GP
>>>
>>> Lewis Hamilton 3rd 2007 Australian GP McLaren MP4/22
>>> 2nd Malaysian GP
>>>
>>> Note: Arundell had previously appeared in practice for the 1963
>>> French GP. However, he didn't enter the GP because he competed in the
>>> F.Junior event instead.
>>
>> Yes, but how many future World Champions debuted in seriously
>> competitive cars?
>
> I'm impressed with LH's podia in his first two races, and I'm also
> slightly
> impressed that he led both races (although given the podium positions,
> this
> is almost a given).
>

For me his qualifying positions, and leading the races and the subsequent
podia could at least partly be ascribed by the unconvinced or the sceptical
to the car he's in. What does it for me is the awesome starts he's made to
improve on his grid position. Especially as MB et al were saying just before
the start that he wouldn't be able to do it in Sepang like he did in
Melbourne.

I'm convinced. He's special.

Steve

In article <57saalF2d8v8uU1@mid.individual.net>, "Brian Lawrence"
<Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com> writes:

> "John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes, but how many future World Champions debuted in seriously competitive cars?
>
> Well, Farina, Fangio, Ascari, Phil Hill (apart from his debut race), Stewart
> (scored points in first 6 GPs, with 4 podiums), Fittipaldi, Andretti,
> Jacques Villeneuve. Just a few.

Wasn't Damon Hill's first full season in the Williams?

--
Mike Fleming

In article <Xns990CA8C885CF9daverymanhotmailcom@62.253.170.16 3>, Dave
Ryman <dave_rymanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> writes:

> In addition to all that, though, what really impresses me is his skill and
> intelligence out on the track - he's eating other drivers for breakfast
> (well, high tea in this case).

His overtaking manoeuvres seem to be both quite audacious and very
clean - not a wheel-banger (unless it's really necessary...)

--
Mike Fleming

"Mike Fleming" <{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:

> <Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com> writes:
>
>> "John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Yes, but how many future World Champions debuted in seriously competitive cars?
>>
>> Well, Farina, Fangio, Ascari, Phil Hill (apart from his debut race), Stewart
>> (scored points in first 6 GPs, with 4 podiums), Fittipaldi, Andretti,
>> Jacques Villeneuve. Just a few.
>
> Wasn't Damon Hill's first full season in the Williams?

"Full" being the operative word. He debuted in the awful Brabham BT60B in 1992.

MS' first full season was in the 1993 Benetton - he won one GP in it.

--

Brian

Dave Ryman wrote:
> "John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in
> news:Sf5Sh.932$tl2.487@newsfe4-win.ntli.net:
>
>> Brian Lawrence wrote:
>>> Pete Arundell 3rd 1964 Monaco GP Lotus 25
>>> 3rd 1964 Dutch GP
>>>
>>> Lewis Hamilton 3rd 2007 Australian GP McLaren MP4/22
>>> 2nd Malaysian GP
>>>
>>> Note: Arundell had previously appeared in practice for the 1963
>>> French GP. However, he didn't enter the GP because he competed in the
>>> F.Junior event instead.
>> Yes, but how many future World Champions debuted in seriously
>> competitive cars?
>
> I'm impressed with LH's podia in his first two races, and I'm also slightly
> impressed that he led both races (although given the podium positions, this
> is almost a given).
>
> In addition to all that, though, what really impresses me is his skill and
> intelligence out on the track - he's eating other drivers for breakfast
> (well, high tea in this case). He clearly doesn't like South American food
> - he spat Massa out: "I tricked him" was more-or-less his phrase in the
> drivers' interview. I know a few people with IQs well above 150 (funnily
> enough a lot of them in the same family): The way the mind can operate at
> those levels is awesome, and I'm seriously impressed with a guy who can
> orchestrate that sort of move in those conditions so early in his career.
> We've seen even the likes of MS try moves like that and f*** it up. The
> first corner of lap one showed far more than average ability, too.
>
> Also, his lack of "respect" for experienced and/or great drivers out on the
> race track reminds me of the young Jean Alesi holding off Senna years back:
> I don't know how many of the readers of this newsgroup extend back to the
> early 90s, but I'm pretty sure that any of you who saw that race will not
> have forgotten the experience. I'm also pretty sure that few of us will
> forget LH's performance today.
>

I can't get over his ability to find grip on cold tyres and the dirty
section of track. I'm really looking forward to watching him drive in
the wet.

"Knight who says \"NI!\"" <no@spam.required> wrote in
news:4624802a@nntp.onyx.net:

> Dave Ryman wrote:
>> "John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in
>> news:Sf5Sh.932$tl2.487@newsfe4-win.ntli.net:
>>
(snip)
>>
>
> I can't get over his ability to find grip on cold tyres and the dirty
> section of track. I'm really looking forward to watching him drive in
> the wet.
>

I expect they're Germans out there who will be saying "Was ist Regenmeister
auf englisch?"

--
Regards,
Dave

email: dave_ryman@hotmailNOSPAM.com

My Homepage: http://homepages.tesco.net/david.ryman/
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Brian Lawrence	Podiums in first two GPs Pete Arundell 3rd 1964 Monaco GP Lotus 25 3rd 1964 Dutch GP Lewis Hamilton 3rd 2007 Australian GP McLaren MP4/22 2nd Malaysian GP Note: Arundell had previously appeared in practice for the 1963 French GP. However, he didn't enter the GP because he competed in the F.Junior event instead. -- Brian W Lawrence Wantage, Oxfordshire, UK Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com

	#2
John Briggs	Re: Podiums in first two GPs Brian Lawrence wrote: > Pete Arundell 3rd 1964 Monaco GP Lotus 25 > 3rd 1964 Dutch GP > > Lewis Hamilton 3rd 2007 Australian GP McLaren MP4/22 > 2nd Malaysian GP > > Note: Arundell had previously appeared in practice for the 1963 > French GP. However, he didn't enter the GP because he competed in the > F.Junior event instead. Yes, but how many future World Champions debuted in seriously competitive cars? -- John Briggs

	#3
Brian Lawrence	Re: Podiums in first two GPs "John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Brian Lawrence wrote: >> Pete Arundell 3rd 1964 Monaco GP Lotus 25 >> 3rd 1964 Dutch GP >> >> Lewis Hamilton 3rd 2007 Australian GP McLaren MP4/22 >> 2nd Malaysian GP >> >> Note: Arundell had previously appeared in practice for the 1963 >> French GP. However, he didn't enter the GP because he competed in the >> F.Junior event instead. > > Yes, but how many future World Champions debuted in seriously competitive cars? Well, Farina, Fangio, Ascari, Phil Hill (apart from his debut race), Stewart (scored points in first 6 GPs, with 4 podiums), Fittipaldi, Andretti, Jacques Villeneuve. Just a few. Depending how you define "seriously competitive" of course. -- Brian

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Dave Ryman	Re: Podiums in first two GPs "John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in news:Sf5Sh.932$tl2.487@newsfe4-win.ntli.net: > Brian Lawrence wrote: >> Pete Arundell 3rd 1964 Monaco GP Lotus 25 >> 3rd 1964 Dutch GP >> >> Lewis Hamilton 3rd 2007 Australian GP McLaren MP4/22 >> 2nd Malaysian GP >> >> Note: Arundell had previously appeared in practice for the 1963 >> French GP. However, he didn't enter the GP because he competed in the >> F.Junior event instead. > > Yes, but how many future World Champions debuted in seriously > competitive cars? I'm impressed with LH's podia in his first two races, and I'm also slightly impressed that he led both races (although given the podium positions, this is almost a given). In addition to all that, though, what really impresses me is his skill and intelligence out on the track - he's eating other drivers for breakfast (well, high tea in this case). He clearly doesn't like South American food - he spat Massa out: "I tricked him" was more-or-less his phrase in the drivers' interview. I know a few people with IQs well above 150 (funnily enough a lot of them in the same family): The way the mind can operate at those levels is awesome, and I'm seriously impressed with a guy who can orchestrate that sort of move in those conditions so early in his career. We've seen even the likes of MS try moves like that and f*** it up. The first corner of lap one showed far more than average ability, too. Also, his lack of "respect" for experienced and/or great drivers out on the race track reminds me of the young Jean Alesi holding off Senna years back: I don't know how many of the readers of this newsgroup extend back to the early 90s, but I'm pretty sure that any of you who saw that race will not have forgotten the experience. I'm also pretty sure that few of us will forget LH's performance today. -- Regards, Dave email: dave_ryman@hotmailNOSPAM.com My Homepage: http://homepages.tesco.net/david.ryman/ The F1 travel guide: http://www.zdp06.ukgateway.net/f1_travel.htm

	#5
shazzbat	Re: Podiums in first two GPs "Dave Ryman" <dave_rymanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns990CA8C885CF9daverymanhotmailcom@62.253.17 0.163... > "John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in > news:Sf5Sh.932$tl2.487@newsfe4-win.ntli.net: > >> Brian Lawrence wrote: >>> Pete Arundell 3rd 1964 Monaco GP Lotus 25 >>> 3rd 1964 Dutch GP >>> >>> Lewis Hamilton 3rd 2007 Australian GP McLaren MP4/22 >>> 2nd Malaysian GP >>> >>> Note: Arundell had previously appeared in practice for the 1963 >>> French GP. However, he didn't enter the GP because he competed in the >>> F.Junior event instead. >> >> Yes, but how many future World Champions debuted in seriously >> competitive cars? > > I'm impressed with LH's podia in his first two races, and I'm also > slightly > impressed that he led both races (although given the podium positions, > this > is almost a given). > For me his qualifying positions, and leading the races and the subsequent podia could at least partly be ascribed by the unconvinced or the sceptical to the car he's in. What does it for me is the awesome starts he's made to improve on his grid position. Especially as MB et al were saying just before the start that he wouldn't be able to do it in Sepang like he did in Melbourne. I'm convinced. He's special. Steve

	#6
Mike Fleming	Re: Podiums in first two GPs In article <57saalF2d8v8uU1@mid.individual.net>, "Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com> writes: > "John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > Yes, but how many future World Champions debuted in seriously competitive cars? > > Well, Farina, Fangio, Ascari, Phil Hill (apart from his debut race), Stewart > (scored points in first 6 GPs, with 4 podiums), Fittipaldi, Andretti, > Jacques Villeneuve. Just a few. Wasn't Damon Hill's first full season in the Williams? -- Mike Fleming

	#8
Brian Lawrence	Re: Podiums in first two GPs "Mike Fleming" <{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> wrote: > <Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com> writes: > >> "John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> >> > Yes, but how many future World Champions debuted in seriously competitive cars? >> >> Well, Farina, Fangio, Ascari, Phil Hill (apart from his debut race), Stewart >> (scored points in first 6 GPs, with 4 podiums), Fittipaldi, Andretti, >> Jacques Villeneuve. Just a few. > > Wasn't Damon Hill's first full season in the Williams? "Full" being the operative word. He debuted in the awful Brabham BT60B in 1992. MS' first full season was in the 1993 Benetton - he won one GP in it. -- Brian

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Knight who says \NI!\	Re: Podiums in first two GPs Dave Ryman wrote: > "John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in > news:Sf5Sh.932$tl2.487@newsfe4-win.ntli.net: > >> Brian Lawrence wrote: >>> Pete Arundell 3rd 1964 Monaco GP Lotus 25 >>> 3rd 1964 Dutch GP >>> >>> Lewis Hamilton 3rd 2007 Australian GP McLaren MP4/22 >>> 2nd Malaysian GP >>> >>> Note: Arundell had previously appeared in practice for the 1963 >>> French GP. However, he didn't enter the GP because he competed in the >>> F.Junior event instead. >> Yes, but how many future World Champions debuted in seriously >> competitive cars? > > I'm impressed with LH's podia in his first two races, and I'm also slightly > impressed that he led both races (although given the podium positions, this > is almost a given). > > In addition to all that, though, what really impresses me is his skill and > intelligence out on the track - he's eating other drivers for breakfast > (well, high tea in this case). He clearly doesn't like South American food > - he spat Massa out: "I tricked him" was more-or-less his phrase in the > drivers' interview. I know a few people with IQs well above 150 (funnily > enough a lot of them in the same family): The way the mind can operate at > those levels is awesome, and I'm seriously impressed with a guy who can > orchestrate that sort of move in those conditions so early in his career. > We've seen even the likes of MS try moves like that and f*** it up. The > first corner of lap one showed far more than average ability, too. > > Also, his lack of "respect" for experienced and/or great drivers out on the > race track reminds me of the young Jean Alesi holding off Senna years back: > I don't know how many of the readers of this newsgroup extend back to the > early 90s, but I'm pretty sure that any of you who saw that race will not > have forgotten the experience. I'm also pretty sure that few of us will > forget LH's performance today. > I can't get over his ability to find grip on cold tyres and the dirty section of track. I'm really looking forward to watching him drive in the wet.

	#10
Dave Ryman	Re: Podiums in first two GPs "Knight who says \"NI!\"" <no@spam.required> wrote in news:4624802a@nntp.onyx.net: > Dave Ryman wrote: >> "John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in >> news:Sf5Sh.932$tl2.487@newsfe4-win.ntli.net: >> (snip) >> > > I can't get over his ability to find grip on cold tyres and the dirty > section of track. I'm really looking forward to watching him drive in > the wet. > I expect they're Germans out there who will be saying "Was ist Regenmeister auf englisch?" -- Regards, Dave email: dave_ryman@hotmailNOSPAM.com My Homepage: http://homepages.tesco.net/david.ryman/ The F1 travel guide: http://www.zdp06.ukgateway.net/f1_travel.htm