altheim

"beeper" <nospam@myname.com> wrote:
> I am a well known medium, and for this reason wish to withhold my name
> But I beg to differ on your comments.
> For without the occassional Skeptic, what is the point in our work ?
> Mediumshipo is all about giving proof.
> So please think about this

And there was me, thinking mediumship was about giving
help. A number of psychics in this very group have led me
to believe that the matter of 'proof' was beneath them.

Unless of course you donate your 'abilities' to a research
organisation (??)

--
altheim



>
>
>
>
> "David Maslin" <dmaslin@adam.com.au> wrote in message
> news:1058271425.703086@teuthos...
> > ok... who else here is sick of silly little skeptics that cant even learn
> to
> > walk away when they dont like something????
> >
> > I mean.. what the hell are skeptics doing in newsgroups like this?? all
> they
> > do is confuse people!!!
> >
> > I know everyone is entitled to say something... BUT 'skeptics' are realy
> > anoying.. well thats what i think!!!
> >
> > I just realy want all skeptics not to be skeptics OR just get lost and do
> > something more constuctive!!!!
> >
> >
>
>

mike

"altheim" <altheim@spamblokfreeuk.com> wrote in message
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>A number of psychics in this very group have led me to believe that the
matter of 'proof' was beneath them.

Isn't that the kind of excuse given by people who are unable to prove their
point of view?

Mike.

Evil Noodle

"mike" <mikey1962@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "altheim" <altheim@spamblokfreeuk.com> wrote in message
> news:1058713408.64009.4@dyke.uk.clara.net...
>
> >A number of psychics in this very group have led me to believe that the
> matter of 'proof' was beneath them.
>
> Isn't that the kind of excuse given by people who are unable to
> prove their point of view?
>
> Mike.

That would rather depend on what degree of proof would be
accepted, I'm more of the opinion that life's just too short to be
continually justifying my perceptions to those that can't or are
unwilling to share them.
I got my personal proof years ago regarding mediumship etc and
then went on to both investigate further and develop my own ability.
I sure don't mind a reasonable debate, but my beliefs and opinions
were formed from personal experience, not forged in a rigorously
controlled enviroment and honed to battle any and all skeptics.

Someone wants to ask questions I'm available, someone wants to
get in my face with crap like the Randi challenge as a dismissal of
what I hold to be true and factual, and it quickly becomes a game
I've long grown tired of.
I propose that there is a broad middle ground each side can meet
on and discuss issues, but attitude is everything.

Ian.

mike

"Evil Noodle" <evil.noodle@@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "mike" <mikey1962@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bfjalk$ffqbc$1@ID-80227.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "altheim" <altheim@spamblokfreeuk.com> wrote in message
> > news:1058713408.64009.4@dyke.uk.clara.net...
> >
> > >A number of psychics in this very group have led me to believe that the
> > matter of 'proof' was beneath them.
> >
> > Isn't that the kind of excuse given by people who are unable to
> > prove their point of view?
> >
> > Mike.
>
> That would rather depend on what degree of proof would be
> accepted, I'm more of the opinion that life's just too short to be
> continually justifying my perceptions to those that can't or are
> unwilling to share them.
> I got my personal proof years ago regarding mediumship etc and
> then went on to both investigate further and develop my own ability.
> I sure don't mind a reasonable debate, but my beliefs and opinions
> were formed from personal experience, not forged in a rigorously
> controlled enviroment and honed to battle any and all skeptics.
>
> Someone wants to ask questions I'm available, someone wants to
> get in my face with crap like the Randi challenge as a dismissal of
> what I hold to be true and factual, and it quickly becomes a game
> I've long grown tired of.
> I propose that there is a broad middle ground each side can meet
> on and discuss issues, but attitude is everything.
>
> Ian.

That's probably my biggest problem. Having seeked proof over many years, I
have never found it. I was, until some years ago, very open-minded on the
subject of the paranormal, but now I feel about the same ways as I do about
religion. It only exists in the minds of people who need some kind of
security blanket; a belief that there is "something more to life".

If there is a medium or psychic out there who may be able to give me a
'reading' via email, I a totally up to the offer. Don't get me wrong, I'd
love to be proved wrong, but IMHO the odds seems stacked against it.

As you say, maybe sometime in the future I will experience something that
may change my views forever, but for the many years I've lived on this
planet I have seen nothing that is liable to.

Mike.

mike

"Evil Noodle" <evil.noodle@@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "The Last Danish Pastry" <TheLastDanishPastry@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:bfjfh1$feglp$1@ID-11651.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > "mike" <mikey1962@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:bfjeei$fdh8h$1@ID-80227.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > > "Evil Noodle" <evil.noodle@@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > > news:eyaTa.193$XJ4.131@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...
> > > >
> > > > "mike" <mikey1962@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:bfjalk$ffqbc$1@ID-80227.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > >
> > > > > "altheim" <altheim@spamblokfreeuk.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:1058713408.64009.4@dyke.uk.clara.net...
> > > > >
> > > > > >A number of psychics in this very group have led me to believe
that
> > the
> > > > > matter of 'proof' was beneath them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Isn't that the kind of excuse given by people who are unable to
> > > > > prove their point of view?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike.
> > > >
> > > > That would rather depend on what degree of proof would be
> > > > accepted, I'm more of the opinion that life's just too short to be
> > > > continually justifying my perceptions to those that can't or are
> > > > unwilling to share them.
> > > > I got my personal proof years ago regarding mediumship etc and
> > > > then went on to both investigate further and develop my own ability.
> > > > I sure don't mind a reasonable debate, but my beliefs and opinions
> > > > were formed from personal experience, not forged in a rigorously
> > > > controlled enviroment and honed to battle any and all skeptics.
> > > >
> > > > Someone wants to ask questions I'm available, someone wants to
> > > > get in my face with crap like the Randi challenge as a dismissal of
> > > > what I hold to be true and factual, and it quickly becomes a game
> > > > I've long grown tired of.
> > > > I propose that there is a broad middle ground each side can meet
> > > > on and discuss issues, but attitude is everything.
> > > >
> > > > Ian.
> > >
> > > That's probably my biggest problem. Having seeked proof over many
> years,
> > I
> > > have never found it. I was, until some years ago, very open-minded on
> the
> > > subject of the paranormal, but now I feel about the same ways as I do
> > about
> > > religion. It only exists in the minds of people who need some kind of
> > > security blanket; a belief that there is "something more to life".
> > >
> > > If there is a medium or psychic out there who may be able to give me a
> > > 'reading' via email, I a totally up to the offer. Don't get me wrong,
> I'd
> > > love to be proved wrong, but IMHO the odds seems stacked against it.
> > >
> > > As you say, maybe sometime in the future I will experience something
> that
> > > may change my views forever, but for the many years I've lived on this
> > > planet I have seen nothing that is liable to.
> >
> > That is pretty much the way I feel. And I would also echo Ian's words
> (said
> > from the other side of the fence) "life's just too short to be
continually
> > justifying my perceptions to those that can't or are unwilling to share
> > them".
>
> So much depends on the criteria we adopt for accepting personal
> proof, that which left me in no doubt probably wouldn't cut it when
> presented to a panel of scientists.
> My sister is a reputable medium, I married another and associate
> with even more, all good honest people and I'm certainly aware of
> the BS that surrounds the paranormal.
> Yet I've found that their perceptions are far from fraudulent, and
> if delusional then it is a delusion that can be shared by many with
> equal accuracy when perceiving the same thing (a shared spirit
> link)
>
> Visiting mediums can be a real hit or miss affair and so could be
> deeply frustrating if experiencing a succession of misses, I found
> the evidence that convinced me within the Spiritualist movement,
> I really couldn't say where you might find yours though.

What annoys me about mediums is that they are always so vague. For heavens
sake, if someone *IS* really talking to my father, why can't direct
questions be answered. "yes, your father is with me, he seems to be telling
me about something you did together on holiday last year, what was that
dear?", ASK HIM exactly what it was and he'll tell you.

Mike.

Evil Noodle

"mike" <mikey1962@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Evil Noodle" <evil.noodle@@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:TlhTa.419$xe6.7317@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net...
> >
> > "The Last Danish Pastry" <TheLastDanishPastry@yahoo.com> wrote in
message
> > news:bfjfh1$feglp$1@ID-11651.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > "mike" <mikey1962@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:bfjeei$fdh8h$1@ID-80227.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > >
> > > > "Evil Noodle" <evil.noodle@@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:eyaTa.193$XJ4.131@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...
> > > > >
> > > > > "mike" <mikey1962@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:bfjalk$ffqbc$1@ID-80227.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "altheim" <altheim@spamblokfreeuk.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1058713408.64009.4@dyke.uk.clara.net...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >A number of psychics in this very group have led me to believe
> that
> > > the
> > > > > > matter of 'proof' was beneath them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Isn't that the kind of excuse given by people who are unable to
> > > > > > prove their point of view?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike.
> > > > >
> > > > > That would rather depend on what degree of proof would be
> > > > > accepted, I'm more of the opinion that life's just too short to be
> > > > > continually justifying my perceptions to those that can't or are
> > > > > unwilling to share them.
> > > > > I got my personal proof years ago regarding mediumship etc and
> > > > > then went on to both investigate further and develop my own
ability.
> > > > > I sure don't mind a reasonable debate, but my beliefs and opinions
> > > > > were formed from personal experience, not forged in a rigorously
> > > > > controlled enviroment and honed to battle any and all skeptics.
> > > > >
> > > > > Someone wants to ask questions I'm available, someone wants to
> > > > > get in my face with crap like the Randi challenge as a dismissal
of
> > > > > what I hold to be true and factual, and it quickly becomes a game
> > > > > I've long grown tired of.
> > > > > I propose that there is a broad middle ground each side can meet
> > > > > on and discuss issues, but attitude is everything.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ian.
> > > >
> > > > That's probably my biggest problem. Having seeked proof over many
> > years,
> > > I
> > > > have never found it. I was, until some years ago, very open-minded
on
> > the
> > > > subject of the paranormal, but now I feel about the same ways as I
do
> > > about
> > > > religion. It only exists in the minds of people who need some kind
of
> > > > security blanket; a belief that there is "something more to life".
> > > >
> > > > If there is a medium or psychic out there who may be able to give me
a
> > > > 'reading' via email, I a totally up to the offer. Don't get me
wrong,
> > I'd
> > > > love to be proved wrong, but IMHO the odds seems stacked against it.
> > > >
> > > > As you say, maybe sometime in the future I will experience something
> > that
> > > > may change my views forever, but for the many years I've lived on
this
> > > > planet I have seen nothing that is liable to.
> > >
> > > That is pretty much the way I feel. And I would also echo Ian's words
> > (said
> > > from the other side of the fence) "life's just too short to be
> continually
> > > justifying my perceptions to those that can't or are unwilling to
share
> > > them".
> >
> > So much depends on the criteria we adopt for accepting personal
> > proof, that which left me in no doubt probably wouldn't cut it when
> > presented to a panel of scientists.
> > My sister is a reputable medium, I married another and associate
> > with even more, all good honest people and I'm certainly aware of
> > the BS that surrounds the paranormal.
> > Yet I've found that their perceptions are far from fraudulent, and
> > if delusional then it is a delusion that can be shared by many with
> > equal accuracy when perceiving the same thing (a shared spirit
> > link)
> >
> > Visiting mediums can be a real hit or miss affair and so could be
> > deeply frustrating if experiencing a succession of misses, I found
> > the evidence that convinced me within the Spiritualist movement,
> > I really couldn't say where you might find yours though.
>
> What annoys me about mediums is that they are always so vague. For
heavens
> sake, if someone *IS* really talking to my father, why can't direct
> questions be answered. "yes, your father is with me, he seems to be
telling
> me about something you did together on holiday last year, what was that
> dear?", ASK HIM exactly what it was and he'll tell you.
>
> Mike.

There are mediums that can do exactly that but abilities vary
enormously, similarly performance can vary from link to link.
When I perceive spirit the visual impression I might have is
minimal compared with other mediums with more clairvoyant
abilities, I don't hear them either unlike clairaudients, I do
however sense them, their character, emotions and what they
want, clearly a lot can be lost in my translation of what they are
trying to get across.

Having some insight into the variety of ways in which mediums
work and the vagaries involved on occasion I have to sympathise
with them, but standards vary also among those who present
themselves for public service, either voluntary or paid.
Some are clearly an embarrasment whilst others aspire to and
maintain the highest of standards, this coupled with natural ability,
training and personal motivation makes these mediums a joy to
visit and I just wish there were more of them.