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Re: Out of body experience medically reproduced?
Ben Stevenson <nospam@firemail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
> Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message >> Ben Stevenson <nospam@firemail.com> wrote in alt.atheism >>> No One Has Ever Shown The Presence Of A Spirit >> From the research I've done so far, I've concluded that "spirit" >> originally meant "breath of life." Living animals breathe, and dead >> ones don't. That's a scientific observation I suppose. Drown some >> animal which breathes air, and you can kill it and take away its >> "breath of life." > I could agree with you there on your version of 'spirit'. The version that > I don't agree is this spirit that comes from somewhere, perhaps another > world, into the person and he is so smart that he is able to converse and > interact with this imaginary spirit. Could such people be sick in the head? They're are several good explanations. Egomania, partial or even full schizophrenia, temporal lobe disorders, psychosis, etc. -- Elroy Willis EAP Chief Editor and Newshound http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news |
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Re: Out of body experience medically reproduced?
"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message news:hmgjgvooia6upt2ldoepjnc9ubm5j8jnj2@4ax.com... > Ben Stevenson <nospam@firemail.com> wrote in alt.atheism > > > Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message > >> Ben Stevenson <nospam@firemail.com> wrote in alt.atheism > > >>> No One Has Ever Shown The Presence Of A Spirit > > >> From the research I've done so far, I've concluded that "spirit" > >> originally meant "breath of life." Living animals breathe, and dead > >> ones don't. That's a scientific observation I suppose. Drown some > >> animal which breathes air, and you can kill it and take away its > >> "breath of life." > > > I could agree with you there on your version of 'spirit'. The version that > > I don't agree is this spirit that comes from somewhere, perhaps another > > world, into the person and he is so smart that he is able to converse and > > interact with this imaginary spirit. Could such people be sick in the head? > > They're are several good explanations. Egomania, > > partial or even full schizophrenia, Now how in tarnation did you pick my brain? :-) About nine months ago I wrote the header "Talking to spirits and schizophrenia" in alt.religion, spiritualism. Having some difficulty finding it now. Please look at it, and give me the date of the header and link if you find it. Thanks Ben |
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Re: Out of body experience medically reproduced?
Ben Stevenson <nospam@firemail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
> Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message >> Ben Stevenson <nospam@firemail.com> wrote in alt.atheism >>> I don't agree is this spirit that comes from somewhere, perhaps another >>> world, into the person and he is so smart that he is able to converse >>> and interact with this imaginary spirit. Could such people be sick in the >>> head? >> They're are several good explanations. Egomania, >> partial or even full schizophrenia, > Now how in tarnation did you pick my brain? :-) > About nine months ago I wrote the header "Talking to spirits and > schizophrenia" in alt.religion, spiritualism. Having some difficulty finding > it now. Please look at it, and give me the date of the header and link if > you find it. Thanks You're not the first to think of it. I've read several articles and watched several shows which link schizophrenia to several of the experiences that people report around here. There's also temporal lobe epilepsy, and cases where the right side of the brain gets out of sync with the left side. They all can cause unique experiences which many people report as "divine" or "religious" experiences, "filled with unimaginable love," "at one with the universe," etc. The fact that many of those things can now be reproduced by stimulating different parts of the brain has convinced me that they're all just internal experiences and nothing more. Many of the people who have them, however, don't know about the above explanations for them, so they naturally attach them to some god or spirit world or whatever it is that they might have been indoctrinated with or heard about to explain weird or supernatural experiences of some kind. They probably don't like the idea that they're just hallucinating either, since people might consider them crazy. And they can always find groups of people who had similar experiences and they can bond with them, reinforcing their own explanations for their experiences, just like UFO abductees gather together to tell their abduction stories to each other. -- Elroy Willis EAP Chief Editor and Newshound http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news |
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Re: Out of body experience medically reproduced?
Elroy Willis writes:
> They probably don't like the idea that they're > just hallucinating either, since people might > consider them crazy. Conversely, some people dismiss the ideas they don't like as hallucinations. -- Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly. |
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Re: Out of body experience medically reproduced?
"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:dpmmgvgfh0i37gtl378l2vrav30qhme3c7@4ax.com... > Elroy Willis writes: > > > They probably don't like the idea that they're > > just hallucinating either, since people might > > consider them crazy. > > Conversely, some people dismiss the ideas they don't like as > hallucinations. The poor folks don't even realise they're hallucinating. Others don't realise they're delusional. Good candidates for schizophrenia. But they love their mind games, and think quite high of themselves. Compensating for low self esteem actually. Ben |
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Re: Out of body experience medically reproduced?
Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
> Elroy Willis writes: >> They probably don't like the idea that they're just hallucinating >> either, since people might consider them crazy. > Conversely, some people dismiss the ideas they don't like as > hallucinations. Sure, some probably do. -- Elroy Willis EAP Chief Editor and Newshound http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news |
