math and law

In math you can describe an event in Cartesian coordinates, cylindrical
coordinates, spherical coordinates, parabolic coordinates, curvilinear
coordinates, or any coordinate system you choose to invent. The operators
used in transformations between coordinate systems are called tensors, such
as a rotation or a translation. Tensors may be variant, covariant, or
invariant. When an aspect of an event undergoing transformation between any
possible coordinate systems is invariant, that aspect is a good candidate
for an empirical law of Nature. This is how Einstein found E=mc^2 and how
he found his relativity equations. The process may be used to find the
Pythagorean Theorem as well.

What's this mean in court?

In court there are liars and honest people, and at times it is hard to
distinguish. So the strategy is to treat the charges from as many
perspectives as possible, with witness after witness. In this process,
concepts that don't change between perspectives gain credibility, and
concepts that change between perspectives lose credibility. As the
arguments evolve, a closer representation of the truth precipitates. The
judge and jury then return the verdict.

I will tell you that from a perspective of math, you can't just invent a
random invariant and work backwards to make all transformations fit any
coordinate system. This process only works if the invariant is true.

Those people who diligently work to pass off a lie as truth, by convincing
as many people as possible of the lie, have no hope when it comes to math.
In court, however, the deceiver may fail as well. One small detail that
doesn't fit can defeat an airtight alibi of the evangelist of deception.
Ask him to explain it, and he will. As he does, his masterminded plan will
fall like dominos, and leave him naked in the limelight, scrambling for
cover.

That's how I see it. Don't mind the math. Sometimes the truth is just too
hard to bear.

Jon G. wrote:

> This is how Einstein found E=mc^2 and how
> he found his relativity equations.

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/einstein.html

mike

"m II" <c@in.the.hat> wrote in message
news:VpIdi.32286$kY6.22581@edtnps82...
> Jon G. wrote:
>
>> This is how Einstein found E=mc^2 and how he found his relativity
>> equations.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/einstein.html
>
>
>
> mike

I don't give a damned about Einstein. Whoever found E=mc^2, it's invariant
in any transformation of coordinates.

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 02:37:09 GMT, "Jon G." <jon8338@peoplepc.com>
wrote:

So what's your point? Is it some math insight?

>In math you can describe an event in Cartesian coordinates, cylindrical
>coordinates, spherical coordinates, parabolic coordinates, curvilinear
>coordinates, or any coordinate system you choose to invent. The operators
>used in transformations between coordinate systems are called tensors, such
>as a rotation or a translation. Tensors may be variant, covariant, or
>invariant. When an aspect of an event undergoing transformation between any
>possible coordinate systems is invariant, that aspect is a good candidate
>for an empirical law of Nature. This is how Einstein found E=mc^2 and how
>he found his relativity equations. The process may be used to find the
>Pythagorean Theorem as well.
>
>What's this mean in court?
>
>In court there are liars and honest people, and at times it is hard to
>distinguish. So the strategy is to treat the charges from as many
>perspectives as possible, with witness after witness. In this process,
>concepts that don't change between perspectives gain credibility, and
>concepts that change between perspectives lose credibility. As the
>arguments evolve, a closer representation of the truth precipitates. The
>judge and jury then return the verdict.
>
>I will tell you that from a perspective of math, you can't just invent a
>random invariant and work backwards to make all transformations fit any
>coordinate system. This process only works if the invariant is true.
>
>Those people who diligently work to pass off a lie as truth, by convincing
>as many people as possible of the lie, have no hope when it comes to math.
>In court, however, the deceiver may fail as well. One small detail that
>doesn't fit can defeat an airtight alibi of the evangelist of deception.
>Ask him to explain it, and he will. As he does, his masterminded plan will
>fall like dominos, and leave him naked in the limelight, scrambling for
>cover.
>
>That's how I see it. Don't mind the math. Sometimes the truth is just too
>hard to bear.
>

mathedman@hotmail.com.CUT wrote:

> So what's your point? Is it some math insight?

His point is to flood the soc.religion.quaker newsgroup with
off-topic crossposted flamewars. By posting your reply to the
same newsgroups he posted to, you helped him. Don't let the
person you reply to control where your posts go; edit the
newsgroups line when replying.

Jon G. wrote:
> "m II" <c@in.the.hat> wrote in message
> news:VpIdi.32286$kY6.22581@edtnps82...
>> Jon G. wrote:
>>
>>> This is how Einstein found E=mc^2 and how he found his relativity
>>> equations.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/einstein.html
>>
>>
>>
>> mike
>
> I don't give a damned about Einstein. Whoever found E=mc^2, it's invariant
> in any transformation of coordinates.
>
>

You are a complete idiot, Giffen.

mike

	#1
Jon G.	math and law In math you can describe an event in Cartesian coordinates, cylindrical coordinates, spherical coordinates, parabolic coordinates, curvilinear coordinates, or any coordinate system you choose to invent. The operators used in transformations between coordinate systems are called tensors, such as a rotation or a translation. Tensors may be variant, covariant, or invariant. When an aspect of an event undergoing transformation between any possible coordinate systems is invariant, that aspect is a good candidate for an empirical law of Nature. This is how Einstein found E=mc^2 and how he found his relativity equations. The process may be used to find the Pythagorean Theorem as well. What's this mean in court? In court there are liars and honest people, and at times it is hard to distinguish. So the strategy is to treat the charges from as many perspectives as possible, with witness after witness. In this process, concepts that don't change between perspectives gain credibility, and concepts that change between perspectives lose credibility. As the arguments evolve, a closer representation of the truth precipitates. The judge and jury then return the verdict. I will tell you that from a perspective of math, you can't just invent a random invariant and work backwards to make all transformations fit any coordinate system. This process only works if the invariant is true. Those people who diligently work to pass off a lie as truth, by convincing as many people as possible of the lie, have no hope when it comes to math. In court, however, the deceiver may fail as well. One small detail that doesn't fit can defeat an airtight alibi of the evangelist of deception. Ask him to explain it, and he will. As he does, his masterminded plan will fall like dominos, and leave him naked in the limelight, scrambling for cover. That's how I see it. Don't mind the math. Sometimes the truth is just too hard to bear.

	#2
m II	Re: math and law Jon G. wrote: > This is how Einstein found E=mc^2 and how > he found his relativity equations. http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/einstein.html mike

	#3
Jon G.	Re: math and law "m II" <c@in.the.hat> wrote in message news:VpIdi.32286$kY6.22581@edtnps82... > Jon G. wrote: > >> This is how Einstein found E=mc^2 and how he found his relativity >> equations. > > > > > http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/einstein.html > > > > mike I don't give a damned about Einstein. Whoever found E=mc^2, it's invariant in any transformation of coordinates.

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mathedman@hotmail.com.CUT	Re: math and law On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 02:37:09 GMT, "Jon G." <jon8338@peoplepc.com> wrote: So what's your point? Is it some math insight? >In math you can describe an event in Cartesian coordinates, cylindrical >coordinates, spherical coordinates, parabolic coordinates, curvilinear >coordinates, or any coordinate system you choose to invent. The operators >used in transformations between coordinate systems are called tensors, such >as a rotation or a translation. Tensors may be variant, covariant, or >invariant. When an aspect of an event undergoing transformation between any >possible coordinate systems is invariant, that aspect is a good candidate >for an empirical law of Nature. This is how Einstein found E=mc^2 and how >he found his relativity equations. The process may be used to find the >Pythagorean Theorem as well. > >What's this mean in court? > >In court there are liars and honest people, and at times it is hard to >distinguish. So the strategy is to treat the charges from as many >perspectives as possible, with witness after witness. In this process, >concepts that don't change between perspectives gain credibility, and >concepts that change between perspectives lose credibility. As the >arguments evolve, a closer representation of the truth precipitates. The >judge and jury then return the verdict. > >I will tell you that from a perspective of math, you can't just invent a >random invariant and work backwards to make all transformations fit any >coordinate system. This process only works if the invariant is true. > >Those people who diligently work to pass off a lie as truth, by convincing >as many people as possible of the lie, have no hope when it comes to math. >In court, however, the deceiver may fail as well. One small detail that >doesn't fit can defeat an airtight alibi of the evangelist of deception. >Ask him to explain it, and he will. As he does, his masterminded plan will >fall like dominos, and leave him naked in the limelight, scrambling for >cover. > >That's how I see it. Don't mind the math. Sometimes the truth is just too >hard to bear. >

	#5
Engineer	Re: math and law mathedman@hotmail.com.CUT wrote: > So what's your point? Is it some math insight? His point is to flood the soc.religion.quaker newsgroup with off-topic crossposted flamewars. By posting your reply to the same newsgroups he posted to, you helped him. Don't let the person you reply to control where your posts go; edit the newsgroups line when replying.

	#6
m II	Re: math and law Jon G. wrote: > "m II" <c@in.the.hat> wrote in message > news:VpIdi.32286$kY6.22581@edtnps82... >> Jon G. wrote: >> >>> This is how Einstein found E=mc^2 and how he found his relativity >>> equations. >> >> >> >> http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/einstein.html >> >> >> >> mike > > I don't give a damned about Einstein. Whoever found E=mc^2, it's invariant > in any transformation of coordinates. > > You are a complete idiot, Giffen. mike