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How cool is VL2
Venus L2 is supposedly 1,014,300 km > 1,014,200 km = 86% shaded by
Venus, receiving 14% worth of the solar photosphere illumination. There's actually a bit more of what the outer most realm of the solar atmospheric/chromosphere illumination that should make VL2 worth roughly 20% of the total solar illumination impact (especially if you'd care to include those impressive CME loops), but the vast bulk of the photosphere's IR spectrum is what's getting nicely diverted by as much as 90% via the highly reflective 12,250 km diameter blockage of Venus, and best of all, hardly if any of those nasty halo CMEs would ever get a clear shot at VL2. What VL2 might often get to see is a bit more impressive than the following "coronal_loop" images have to suggest. http://www.bu.edu/cism/CISM_Thrusts/...tmosphere.html http://sprg.ssl.berkeley.edu/shine/suntoday.html http://trace.lmsal.com/ Unfortunately, TRACE isn't going to last forever, and setting up TRACE-II (such as at VL2) along with a 10 fold improvement in utilizing mirror optics and outfitted with even better CCDs seems well worth our doing. A properly controlled station-keeping halo orbit could actually manage to receive as much or as little solar illumination and thus IR spectrum warmth as desired, because, with the minimum of IR being as slight as 10% represents that a highly reflective POOF space depot would otherwise become a touch cold. For an example: 14% of the VL2's 2625 j/m2 = 368 j/m2 368 j/m2 is actually offering a bit more then the average solar energy that's terrestrial, although the back side or thermal exit phase of VL2 is most likely extremely cold. Therefore, accomplishing a station-keeping halo orbit of allowing perhaps 25% of the solar energy to reach this VL2 space station might be about right, at 656 j/m2 (roughly 5% less than what our ISS has upon average to work with (especially since VL2 is w/o venus-shine). Therefore, of whatever is at all ISS/POOF suitable for LEO application should be directly usable as is, if not a whole lot better suited for the Venus L2 placement, with lots of available options for obtaining more or less solar energy as the situation demands, and best of all, there's even less of the lethal forms of radiation to deal with. With much of the solar atmosphere emitting in the near-UV and UV spectrum, the VL2 photo cells should actually do just fine and dandy, and otherwise survive better off than having to deal with the IR spectrum along with avoiding most of the flak contributed by way of those pesky CME halo events which can bcome downright lethal. The question is, other than taking whatever's my best swag as to what VL2 has to offer, what is your best swag at the cool nature of VL2? - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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Re: How cool is VL2
"Brad Guth" <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:943268f4698ce93ff8aabb231b766a9b.49644@mygate .mailgate.org Apparently, Venus L2 is better than POOF certified, as well as otherwise having been doable for more than a decade, if not before then (certainly a whole lot DNA safer and tonnes cooler than MEL1). VL2 is every bit as cool as you'd like a science space station or outpost depot to be, yet it's taboo/nondisclosure rated by way of this anti-think-tank of a mostly faith based naysay Usenet from hell. No wonder our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) has been setting us village idiots up for accommodating his WW-III of global energy domination. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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Re: How cool is VL2
"Brad Guth" <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:943268f4698ce93ff8aabb231b766a9b.49644@mygate .mailgate.org Apparently, Venus L2 is better than POOF certified, as well as otherwise having been doable for more than a decade, if not before then (certainly a whole lot DNA safer and tonnes cooler than MEL1). VL2 is every bit as cool as you'd like a science space station or outpost depot to be, yet it's taboo/nondisclosure rated by way of this anti-think-tank of a mostly faith based naysay Usenet from hell. No wonder our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) has been setting us village idiots up for accommodating his WW-III of global energy domination. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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Re: How cool is VL2
"Brad Guth" <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:943268f4698ce93ff8aabb231b766a9b.49644@mygate .mailgate.org What's the matter? (cat got your mainstream status quo tongue?) I guess VL2 is potentially too cool for even the likes of POOF or Clarke Station, but at least it's a whole lot more DNA safe than utilizing our moon's L1. Too bad that either our moon's L1 or that of any Venus L2 applications are still being treated as though each are taboo/nondisclosure. I guess that makes perfect sense in that Americans are such born-again infomercial spewing wizards and all. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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Brad Guth <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Brad Guth" <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:943268f4698ce93ff8aabb231b766a9b.49644@mygat e.mailgate.org > >What's the matter? (cat got your mainstream status quo tongue?) Why are you asking questions of yourself, Brad? Are you expecting an answer? |
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Re: How cool is VL2
"Brad Guth" <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7af1b966ab064ada965a1d7f9d44ab94.49644@mygate .mailgate.org Sorry folks, it seems that we haven't walked on our extremely big old and otherwise nearby moon, but so what's the difference if one more silly lie begets another and another? If not in person, I hope to hell we don't summarily screw up Venus via robotics to the extent that we've accomplished so much dastardly commercial pillaging, trashing and raping of mother Earth without so much as a speck of remorse. I obviously care most about Venus, as our moon seriously sucks, and Venus is otherwise more than obviously where all the action is at, especially since Pluto got the royal shaft, as seemingly Ceres is getting a similar official NASA fid, and Mercury is simply too off-world as well as past the point of return (similar to Mars). At least VL2 is more than cool enough, as to being POOF/(space depot) doable. While rather quickly roasting our weiners on Venus, how much energy do you folks suppose a good air conditioning system as part of your CO2-->CO/O2 process is going to demand? Remember, at that sort of environment pressure you'll not require more than a 1% O2 factor, and the remainder should be of H2. Thus 99% H2 and 1% O2. Also remember that you'll be continually fighting off the lesser gravity of 90.5%, and otherwise having all of that pesky 64+ kg/m3 of buoyancy to fend off. Of course, if you only had half a village idiot brain, as such you might as well utilize such factors as to your benefit. Say per 1000 m3/(interior 10 x 20 x 5 meter abode) if that Venusian habitat volume were insulated at R-1024/m2; what's the thermal budget of keeping your cache of beer and vodka icy cold? That's roughly a surface/foundation area of 264 m2, a portion of what should be roughly a 828 m2 exterior that's exposed to the hotter than hell surface that's getting rid of 20 J/m2, and otherwise fending off the somewhat toasty atmosphere. Therefore it's nearly always hot outside and there's just the structual composite insulated barrier of R-1024/m that's giving way to an inward flux of thermal conduction that's worth 0.00097656/m2 to deal with, which seems rather managable, if not a touch overkill. Is there something otherwise specific that you'd like to review or constructively contribute, such as on behalf of those nifty composite rigid airships? How about we review on behalf of defending yourself from those exoskeletal Cathars that can't seem to take no for an answer? Would you like to talk about the VL2 platform/depot or how about interplanetary communications? - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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"Brad Guth" <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:943268f4698ce93ff8aabb231b766a9b.49644@mygate .mailgate.org What's the matter? (cat got your mainstream status quo tongue?) I guess VL2 is potentially too cool for even the likes of POOF or Clarke Station, but at least it's a whole lot more DNA safe than utilizing our moon's L1. Too bad that either our moon's L1 or that of any Venus L2 applications are still being treated as though each are taboo/nondisclosure. I guess that makes perfect sense in that Americans are such born-again infomercial spewing wizards and all. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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Brad Guth <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Brad Guth" <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:943268f4698ce93ff8aabb231b766a9b.49644@mygat e.mailgate.org > >What's the matter? (cat got your mainstream status quo tongue?) Why are you asking questions of yourself, Brad? Are you expecting an answer? |
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"Brad Guth" <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7af1b966ab064ada965a1d7f9d44ab94.49644@mygate .mailgate.org Sorry folks, it seems that we haven't walked on our extremely big old and otherwise nearby moon, but so what's the difference if one more silly lie begets another and another? If not in person, I hope to hell we don't summarily screw up Venus via robotics to the extent that we've accomplished so much dastardly commercial pillaging, trashing and raping of mother Earth without so much as a speck of remorse. I obviously care most about Venus, as our moon seriously sucks, and Venus is otherwise more than obviously where all the action is at, especially since Pluto got the royal shaft, as seemingly Ceres is getting a similar official NASA fid, and Mercury is simply too off-world as well as past the point of return (similar to Mars). At least VL2 is more than cool enough, as to being POOF/(space depot) doable. While rather quickly roasting our weiners on Venus, how much energy do you folks suppose a good air conditioning system as part of your CO2-->CO/O2 process is going to demand? Remember, at that sort of environment pressure you'll not require more than a 1% O2 factor, and the remainder should be of H2. Thus 99% H2 and 1% O2. Also remember that you'll be continually fighting off the lesser gravity of 90.5%, and otherwise having all of that pesky 64+ kg/m3 of buoyancy to fend off. Of course, if you only had half a village idiot brain, as such you might as well utilize such factors as to your benefit. Say per 1000 m3/(interior 10 x 20 x 5 meter abode) if that Venusian habitat volume were insulated at R-1024/m2; what's the thermal budget of keeping your cache of beer and vodka icy cold? That's roughly a surface/foundation area of 264 m2, a portion of what should be roughly a 828 m2 exterior that's exposed to the hotter than hell surface that's getting rid of 20 J/m2, and otherwise fending off the somewhat toasty atmosphere. Therefore it's nearly always hot outside and there's just the structual composite insulated barrier of R-1024/m that's giving way to an inward flux of thermal conduction that's worth 0.00097656/m2 to deal with, which seems rather managable, if not a touch overkill. Is there something otherwise specific that you'd like to review or constructively contribute, such as on behalf of those nifty composite rigid airships? How about we review on behalf of defending yourself from those exoskeletal Cathars that can't seem to take no for an answer? Would you like to talk about the VL2 platform/depot or how about interplanetary communications? - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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"Brad Guth" <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:74966e0536c2175d6978ffdb1f205e6f.49644@mygate .mailgate.org That's odd, Venus L2 being rather cool and thereby fully POOF doable and all, and yet there's not one Usenet all-knowing word of wisdom to behold. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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Brad Guth <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Brad Guth" <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:74966e0536c2175d6978ffdb1f205e6f.49644@mygat e.mailgate.org > >That's odd, Venus L2 being rather cool and thereby fully POOF doable and >all, and yet there's not one Usenet all-knowing word of wisdom to >behold. Here's one word for you, Brad: "bollocks" -- Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco "To err is human, to cover it up is Weasel" -- Dogbert |
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"Brad Guth" <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:943268f4698ce93ff8aabb231b766a9b.49644@mygate .mailgate.org Of all the nifty places we can affordably and safely reach with our existing fly-by-rocket technology as of decades ago, Venus L2 is certainly a cool place to be, with secondly being that of our establishing a mostly if not entirely robotic science platform at our moon's L2 that's really nearby us. However, are the few and far between likes of "Joann Evans" and "Martha H Adams" dead and gone? It seems as though, all that's left within this mostly Usenet brown-nose land of unlimited butt-suckings are those MI/NSA~MIB spooks and moles, doing their usual Old Testament thing of acting out and/or reacting rather badly as though functioning exactly like the Jewish sorts of Third Reich (aka Skull and Bones). Am I wrong? Take to mentioning or otherwise sharing anything about intelligent other life, or much less that of forbid any honest thoughts of sharing upon intelligent design and of applied technology as utilized on behalf of whatever we as well as ETs should be capable of, then sit back and watch as all of Usenet status quo hell brakes lose, as though having gone Mormon or perhaps Amish on us, and of otherwise going absolutely naysay postal like a certain Pope did to those nice Cathars. If I show folks a perfectly good picture (better pixel truth worthy image than offered by most any visual spectrum CCD format) of what's offering us sufficient physical evidence as a perfectly deductive form of reasonably interpreted proof, as to sharing in whatever's existing/coexisting as intelligent other life upon Venus, and suddenly it's WW-III, if not a whole lot worse. Share most any honest thought pertaining to our extremely large and nearby moon that's truly a one of a kind orb by way of its ratio to that of the associated planet, and at best you've got yourself another nasty all-or-nothing gauntlet butt-load of causing seriously big trouble in NASA's River City. Contribute an honest thought as to resolving our ongoing lack of clean or even dirty energy and of the partly human associated global warming fiascos, then watch as faster than a speeding bullet you've got more than your fair share of those big-energy and pro-government brown-noses that start coming out of the wood, as well as emerging out of those mainstream status quo cesspools, like so many infomercial butt-flapping clowns popping out of those silly little cars. It's literally an ongoing bloody joke, as to what we're continually doing to ourselves and to that of our badly failing environment, yet those silly mainstream clowns keep arriving as though having an endless supply of those spendy little clown cars that realty have the world's worse possible EMPG ratings, and of their total dependence upon nasty oil and/or of spendy and otherwise polluting fuel alternatives that we can imagine. Unfortunately, this is all decades old news, and in some instances it's simply too far gone past the point of no return. In spite of the best available truths, every effort has been made to disqualify or otherwise stock, bash and to banish upon allowing any form of local or private America establishing the best applied technology of clean and renewable energy. It's as though they (big-energy and bigger-government) want us to pay that $1/kwhr or the equal worth in whatever other forms of energy, while further insuring we'll have established zilch worth of local or private alternatives to fall back upon. Our ongoing avoidance of our moon, of the moon's nifty L1, of anything Venus or even that of establishing something/anything at VL2, and especially that of our having avoided any chance of taking the nearby Sirius star/solar system seriously, is absolutely and rather insanely the most taboo/nondisclosure form of intellectual and scientific blockage via mainstream crapolla that simply shouldn't exist, that is unless you're stuck forever within some kind of pagan form of heathen naysay mode of unlimited denial. If you've got any better insider clue(s) as to what's going on, please do share. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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"Brad Guth" <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:74966e0536c2175d6978ffdb1f205e6f.49644@mygate .mailgate.org That's odd, Venus L2 being rather cool and thereby fully POOF doable and all, and yet there's not one Usenet all-knowing word of wisdom to behold. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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Brad Guth <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Brad Guth" <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:74966e0536c2175d6978ffdb1f205e6f.49644@mygat e.mailgate.org > >That's odd, Venus L2 being rather cool and thereby fully POOF doable and >all, and yet there's not one Usenet all-knowing word of wisdom to >behold. Here's one word for you, Brad: "bollocks" -- Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco "To err is human, to cover it up is Weasel" -- Dogbert |
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"Brad Guth" <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:943268f4698ce93ff8aabb231b766a9b.49644@mygate .mailgate.org Of all the nifty places we can affordably and safely reach with our existing fly-by-rocket technology as of decades ago, Venus L2 is certainly a cool place to be, with secondly being that of our establishing a mostly if not entirely robotic science platform at our moon's L2 that's really nearby us. However, are the few and far between likes of "Joann Evans" and "Martha H Adams" dead and gone? It seems as though, all that's left within this mostly Usenet brown-nose land of unlimited butt-suckings are those MI/NSA~MIB spooks and moles, doing their usual Old Testament thing of acting out and/or reacting rather badly as though functioning exactly like the Jewish sorts of Third Reich (aka Skull and Bones). Am I wrong? Take to mentioning or otherwise sharing anything about intelligent other life, or much less that of forbid any honest thoughts of sharing upon intelligent design and of applied technology as utilized on behalf of whatever we as well as ETs should be capable of, then sit back and watch as all of Usenet status quo hell brakes lose, as though having gone Mormon or perhaps Amish on us, and of otherwise going absolutely naysay postal like a certain Pope did to those nice Cathars. If I show folks a perfectly good picture (better pixel truth worthy image than offered by most any visual spectrum CCD format) of what's offering us sufficient physical evidence as a perfectly deductive form of reasonably interpreted proof, as to sharing in whatever's existing/coexisting as intelligent other life upon Venus, and suddenly it's WW-III, if not a whole lot worse. Share most any honest thought pertaining to our extremely large and nearby moon that's truly a one of a kind orb by way of its ratio to that of the associated planet, and at best you've got yourself another nasty all-or-nothing gauntlet butt-load of causing seriously big trouble in NASA's River City. Contribute an honest thought as to resolving our ongoing lack of clean or even dirty energy and of the partly human associated global warming fiascos, then watch as faster than a speeding bullet you've got more than your fair share of those big-energy and pro-government brown-noses that start coming out of the wood, as well as emerging out of those mainstream status quo cesspools, like so many infomercial butt-flapping clowns popping out of those silly little cars. It's literally an ongoing bloody joke, as to what we're continually doing to ourselves and to that of our badly failing environment, yet those silly mainstream clowns keep arriving as though having an endless supply of those spendy little clown cars that realty have the world's worse possible EMPG ratings, and of their total dependence upon nasty oil and/or of spendy and otherwise polluting fuel alternatives that we can imagine. Unfortunately, this is all decades old news, and in some instances it's simply too far gone past the point of no return. In spite of the best available truths, every effort has been made to disqualify or otherwise stock, bash and to banish upon allowing any form of local or private America establishing the best applied technology of clean and renewable energy. It's as though they (big-energy and bigger-government) want us to pay that $1/kwhr or the equal worth in whatever other forms of energy, while further insuring we'll have established zilch worth of local or private alternatives to fall back upon. Our ongoing avoidance of our moon, of the moon's nifty L1, of anything Venus or even that of establishing something/anything at VL2, and especially that of our having avoided any chance of taking the nearby Sirius star/solar system seriously, is absolutely and rather insanely the most taboo/nondisclosure form of intellectual and scientific blockage via mainstream crapolla that simply shouldn't exist, that is unless you're stuck forever within some kind of pagan form of heathen naysay mode of unlimited denial. If you've got any better insider clue(s) as to what's going on, please do share. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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"Brad Guth" <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:943268f4698ce93ff8aabb231b766a9b.49644@mygate .mailgate.org You folks do realize just how cool Venus L2 is, don't you? On average, VL2 is much cooler than what ISS has to deal with. It's actually cool enough for accommodating a plastic Bigelow POOF, as to survive rather nicely within VL2. http://www.bigelowaerospace.com/ http://www.thespacereview.com/article/187/1 http://flyingsinger.blogspot.com/200...s-genesis.html - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 02:34:40 +0000 (UTC), "Brad Guth"
<bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote: >"Brad Guth" <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:943268f4698ce93ff8aabb231b766a9b.49644@mygat e.mailgate.org > >You folks do realize just how cool Venus L2 is, don't you? Venus isn't cool, retard, and neither are you. -- Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank.] |
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"Bill Snyder" <bsnyder@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:f712u2ta816i2fbltq58tlai3v2d6ru8ao@4ax.com > >"Brad Guth" <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >news:943268f4698ce93ff8aabb231b766a9b.49644@mygat e.mailgate.org > > > >You folks do realize just how cool Venus L2 is, don't you? > > Venus isn't cool, retard, and neither are you. My God almighty, you silly folks actually don't know the difference between Venus and that of Venus L2. No wonder you're all so snookered and thus easily dumbfounded past the point of no return. Here I'd thought I was merely stuck with the sorts of having to fend off MI/NSA~MIB spooks, moles and/or the army of their minion borgs (apparently fully incest cloned borgs none the less), when in fact we're dealing with something far less qualified than a village idiot, and highly bigoted lot to boot. Sorry about all that. My mistake. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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Brad Guth (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in message
<4aa74a8c0f7902589187e6077651fe1a.49644@mygate.mai lgate.org>: > "Bill Snyder" <bsnyder@airmail.net> wrote in message > news:f712u2ta816i2fbltq58tlai3v2d6ru8ao@4ax.com > >> >"Brad Guth" <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> >news:943268f4698ce93ff8aabb231b766a9b.49644@mygat e.mailgate.org >> > >> >You folks do realize just how cool Venus L2 is, don't you? >> >> Venus isn't cool, retard, and neither are you. > > My God almighty, you silly folks actually don't know the difference > between Venus and that of Venus L2. I wonder what they think the Trojan Position might be  -- He hadde not leyser for to loke after who is his freend & who is his fo. - The Cloud of Unknowing (anon, 14th century) Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply |
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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 06:42:31 +0000 (UTC), "Brad Guth"
<bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote: >"Bill Snyder" <bsnyder@airmail.net> wrote in message >news:f712u2ta816i2fbltq58tlai3v2d6ru8ao@4ax.com > >> >"Brad Guth" <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> >news:943268f4698ce93ff8aabb231b766a9b.49644@mygat e.mailgate.org >> > >> >You folks do realize just how cool Venus L2 is, don't you? >> >> Venus isn't cool, retard, and neither are you. > >My God almighty, you silly folks actually don't know the difference >between Venus and that of Venus L2. > >No wonder you're all so snookered and thus easily dumbfounded past the >point of no return. Here I'd thought I was merely stuck with the sorts >of having to fend off MI/NSA~MIB spooks, moles and/or the army of their >minion borgs (apparently fully incest cloned borgs none the less), when >in fact we're dealing with something far less qualified than a village >idiot, and highly bigoted lot to boot. > >Sorry about all that. My mistake. So when you posted all those messages to a thread that you titled "Our moon is hot, Venus is not," you really meant the L2 point? When you said, "Venus has certainly been a little different and perhaps a whole lot more planetology rare on behalf of having accommodated intelligent other life than Earth," you meant space-based life? When you said, "You folks do realize that a fully manned rigid airship that's cruising efficiently just below those cool nighttime clouds could actually require some auxiliary cabin heat." -- that Zep would be cruising through clouds at the L2 point? Liar, lunatic, and retard. -- Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank.] |
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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:15:37 +0000, Prai Jei
<pvstownsend@zyx-abc.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: >Brad Guth (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in message ><4aa74a8c0f7902589187e6077651fe1a.49644@mygate.ma ilgate.org>: > >> "Bill Snyder" <bsnyder@airmail.net> wrote in message >> news:f712u2ta816i2fbltq58tlai3v2d6ru8ao@4ax.com >> >>> >"Brad Guth" <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> >news:943268f4698ce93ff8aabb231b766a9b.49644@mygat e.mailgate.org >>> > >>> >You folks do realize just how cool Venus L2 is, don't you? >>> >>> Venus isn't cool, retard, and neither are you. >> >> My God almighty, you silly folks actually don't know the difference >> between Venus and that of Venus L2. > >I wonder what they think the Trojan Position might be Nobody does it Trojan-style any more. You just can't find a decent horse costume these days, even at Halloween. -- Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank.] |
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In sci.physics, Brad Guth
<bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote on Sun, 25 Feb 2007 02:34:40 +0000 (UTC) <2b204e3509484e1b5273cdd740bd8706.49644@mygate.mai lgate.org>: > "Brad Guth" <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:943268f4698ce93ff8aabb231b766a9b.49644@mygate .mailgate.org > > You folks do realize just how cool Venus L2 is, don't you? > > On average, VL2 is much cooler than what ISS has to deal with. > > It's actually cool enough for accommodating a plastic Bigelow POOF, as > to survive rather nicely within VL2. > http://www.bigelowaerospace.com/ > http://www.thespacereview.com/article/187/1 > http://flyingsinger.blogspot.com/200...s-genesis.html > - > Brad Guth > Um...forgive me for asking such a stupid question, but since space is so tenuous anyway how does one measure the temperature of a point therein? A better measurement is insolation or irradiation, especially if something is trapped in a bubble (e.g., a spacecraft with some air, water, etc. in it). Also, I'm not entirely sure but presumably the Venus L2 point is much farther away than low Earth orbit, or the Moon, making for certain logistics difficulties (and higher expense). -- #191, ewill3@earthlink.net Linux. An OS which actually, unlike certain other offerings, works. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Re: How cool is VL2
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote in
message news:j0p8b4-spq.ln1@sirius.tg00suus7038.net > Um...forgive me for asking such a stupid question, but since space is so > tenuous anyway how does one measure the temperature of a point therein? > A better measurement is insolation or irradiation, especially if > something is trapped in a bubble (e.g., a spacecraft with some air, > water, etc. in it). It's all basic physics and math, either of which I'm not terribly good at, but supposedly you folks are. So, why don't you tell us what a POOF space station at VL2 is in for? At VL2 you've got roughly upon the spectrum average of 2550~2600 w/m2, less whatever's the shade provided by Venus (which is a serious bunch of shade). > Also, I'm not entirely sure but presumably the Venus L2 point is much > farther away than low Earth orbit, or the Moon, making for certain > logistics difficulties (and higher expense). Each and every 19 months, your the same face of Venus that comes to within roughly 100 fold the distance of our moon. Therefore, you could damn near toss a moon rock at Venus, and expect that rock to eventually hit that big sucker (though perhaps not until the next 19 month cycle). Whatever the logistics wouldn't be at most 10% of accomplishing Mars, perhaps not 1% of our actually accomplishing any viable base camp upon our own nasty and otherwise global warming moon, and to think that you wouldn't have to pack along hardly any spare amounts of shielding or energy for surviving within your composite rigid waverider airship, or otherwise for the 19 month stay within the relatively cool VL2 POOF, nor would your mission be having need of all that much spare energy for your return trip from VL2 to Earth because, your exit energy demand from VL2 would be next to nothing, other than the wussy gravity pull of the sun, that's you're leaving behind at good velocity. Put any one of our spendy orbital do-everything supercomputers to work on it, and then give us that fully 3D animated GOOGLE/NOVA production quality run-through. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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Re: How cool is VL2
"Brad Guth" <bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:943268f4698ce93ff8aabb231b766a9b.49644@mygate .mailgate.org In addition to all that's clearly ongoing as taboo/nondisclosure (damage-control) about anything Venus, it seems there's still more news that we can all use about our silly moon which hasn't quite been walked upon. NASA insiders expose Apollo Hoax / banished from Mailgate http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...2a2ea85ea88d70 http://mygate.mailgate.org/mynews/sc...smart&p=1/1963 If these folks accept the fundamental notions that our warm and fuzzy NASA/Apollo can manage to have photographed our moon's physically dark terrain along with mother Earth as coexisting within the same FOV, and especially interesting is of their Kodak film's DR(dynamic range) as having rather easily recorded portions of our dark oceans that are worth an albedo of perhaps 0.1 (entirely similar enough as to the moon itself), whereas the absolute impressive and somewhat blue/violet peak spectrum as representing the vibrance of Venus should have been unavoidably recorded as well. Especially well recorded via those unfiltered optics that should otherwise have been nearly if not overloaded with such a gauntlet of all those extra near-UV and UV-a spectrums worth of photons as having reacted rather nicely with those highly reflective clouds which offers us the visual albedo of 0.7~0.8 to work with, whereas the actual peak solar spectrum energy and roughly reflecting 75% of that 4 kw/m2 is what the naked and unfiltered Kodak eye had to deal with. Yet lo and behold, not even from orbit or from those supposed EVAs upon the deck had there once been any sign of Venus, much less of any other significant planets, as well as never once accommodating the bluish-white vibrant speck of the Sirius star system, all of which were well within the DR(dynamic range) of those unfiltered Kodak moments, yet as though such significant items were never once to be seen (especially odd as of those NASA/Apollo missions A11, A14 and A16). As I've often stipulated before, that most any interactive 3D solar system simulator puts Venus smack within good EVA obtained view of at least those three missions (always within each command module's orbital view), and I might as well further add, that we have those free cellphone cameras with far better DR and of a wider spectrum capability than what our newest MESSENGER mirror optics and spendy 14+db CCD could apparently muster, as proof-positive via their flyby of Earth which only provided a rather naked looking and otherwise somewhat pastel view of Earth, w/o even so much as once accommodating our physically dark moon, much less having shared upon any other significant planets or stars that simply had to be there, yet all such other items were artificially made as invisible/stealth as were all of those Muslim WMD. Remember that starshine as well as earthshine upon the moon is absolutely vibrant to the unfiltered Kodak eye that's far more sensitive to having recorded such near-UV and UV-a spectrums than our human eye, which can't hardly if even detect, not to mention those pesky gamma and hard-X-ray spectrums of which that moon of our's is absolutely chuck full of such TBI(total body irradiation) dosage that's simply much worse off than any lethal hot zone within our Van Allen belts, and that's still not even including upon all of the continual thermal trauma of their having to survive those double IR/FIR spectrums that also coexisted, as coming at their naked moonsuit from nearly all surrounding directions in addition to whatever sol was directly contributing. That physically dark and somewhat salty moon of ours is what's actually a darn good IR/FIR reflector, and otherwise represents a rather piss poor UV reflector because, such UV energy often gets absorbed and/or interacts as creating secondary/recoil photons of the [UV black light generated] near-blue spectrum. Of course the solar and cosmic influx is what also represents lethal buttloads of having generated those secondary/recoil photons of gamma and hard-X-rays, with zilch worth of any attenuation from all possible directions, meaning that your wussy moonsuit is surrounded by an absolute minimum lethal gauntlet of 3.14e6 m2 that's contributing the full secondary spectrum worth of whatever's downright nasty if not lethal to your frail DNA, as well as continually impacting each and every physically more than boiling role of all that sensitive Kodak film. >Wayne Throop: >If you substitute venus for earth, it'd show up in the shot. >Even if you move earth far away, it'd still show up, until it's so far >away its light is falling on less than a single grain of the photograph; >but as long as its idealized image is at least a single grain big, that >grain would still be exposed. Instead, we see a somewhat naked guano island like reflective environment, for as far as the human and unfiltered Kodak eyes could see, in places having a thin and naturally terrestrial clumping 50/50 dusting of portland cement and cornmeal that was entirely xenon lamp spectrum illuminated (meaning w/o UV), whereas instead of their having to deal with whatever the raw and nearly point source of the extremely contrasty solar spectrum should have had to offer, along with such raw influx having unavoidably shared absolute extra loads worth of the near-UV and UV-a energy. Therefore, there's absolutely nothing of such hocus-pocus artificial content within such bogus images, or otherwise of mission associated content, that's worth a freaking hoot, much less a scientific hoot. Of course there's many other iffy if not downright naysay worthy fly-by-rocket and unproven lander factors that simply do not add up to what those pesky regular laws of physics and of replicated science and of otherwise proven technology has to say. Sorry that the likes of "Wayne Throop", "rick_so" and myself as your pesky historical revisionist team, and otherwise truth telling messengers from hell, must continually piss on your silly hocus-pocus parade. - Brad Guth Of a similar topic that's worthy of disclosure interest: Velikovsky/Neocatastrophism Sources / banished from Mailgate http://groups.google.com/group/rec.o...a52739c889bcc2 http://mygate.mailgate.org/mynews/rec/rec.org.mensa/Pbb1h.956$CT5.551%40trnddc02?order=smart&p=1/469 -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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Re: How cool is VL2
Brad Guth (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in message
<ce470ad313989dc2ed60c77bd6a6dbee.49644@mygate.mai lgate.org>: > It's all basic physics and math, either of which I'm not terribly good > at, but supposedly you folks are. So, why don't you tell us what a POOF > space station at VL2 is in for? Sounds a bit queer to me. -- He hadde not leyser for to loke after who is his freend & who is his fo. - The Cloud of Unknowing (anon, 14th century) Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply |
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Re: How cool is VL2
"Prai Jei" <pvstownsend@zyx-abc.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ert137$55p$1@aioe.org > Brad Guth (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in message > <ce470ad313989dc2ed60c77bd6a6dbee.49644@mygate.mai lgate.org>: > > > It's all basic physics and math, either of which I'm not terribly good > > at, but supposedly you folks are. So, why don't you tell us what a POOF > > space station at VL2 is in for? > > Sounds a bit queer to me. So, you are playing it dumb and dumber. Is there a good physics or whatever science reason for this? - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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Re: How cool is VL2
In sci.physics, Brad Guth
<bradguth@yahoo.com> wrote on Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:47:22 +0000 (UTC) <ce470ad313989dc2ed60c77bd6a6dbee.49644@mygate.mai lgate.org>: > "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote in > message news:j0p8b4-spq.ln1@sirius.tg00suus7038.net > >> Um...forgive me for asking such a stupid question, but since space is so >> tenuous anyway how does one measure the temperature of a point therein? >> A better measurement is insolation or irradiation, especially if >> something is trapped in a bubble (e.g., a spacecraft with some air, >> water, etc. in it). > > It's all basic physics and math, either of which I'm not terribly good > at, but supposedly you folks are. So, why don't you tell us what a POOF > space station at VL2 is in for? > > At VL2 you've got roughly upon the spectrum average of 2550~2600 w/m2, > less whatever's the shade provided by Venus (which is a serious bunch > of shade). Somehow, I seriously doubt the VL2 point would get all that much shade. But lessee. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_point mentions the concept of a Hill Sphere, which has radius r =~ R * cuberoot(M2/3M1) where M1 is presumably 1.998435 * 10^30 kg, M2 4.8685 * 10^24 kg, and R 1.08208926000 * 10^11 m. This gives r = 1.01 * 10^9 m. At that distance the angular displacement of Venus, which has diameter about 1.2 * 10^4 m, will be 1.2 * 10^-5 radian. The angular displacement of Sol, which has diameter 1.392 * 10^9 m, will be 1.286 * 10^-2 radian. One should see Venus as a dot against the Sun, but that's about it. Looks to me to be about a 0.0001% reduction in insolation -- which is basically nothing. > > >> Also, I'm not entirely sure but presumably the Venus L2 point is much >> farther away than low Earth orbit, or the Moon, making for certain >> logistics difficulties (and higher expense). > > Each and every 19 months, your the same face of Venus that comes to > within roughly 100 fold the distance of our moon. Therefore, you could > damn near toss a moon rock at Venus, and expect that rock to eventually > hit that big sucker (though perhaps not until the next 19 month cycle). Moon distance: 3.85 * 10^8 m Venusian distance: maybe 4.2 * 10^10 m > > Whatever the logistics wouldn't be at most 10% of accomplishing Mars, > perhaps not 1% of our actually accomplishing any viable base camp upon > our own nasty and otherwise global warming moon, and to think that you > wouldn't have to pack along hardly any spare amounts of shielding or > energy for surviving within your composite rigid waverider airship, or > otherwise for the 19 month stay within the relatively cool VL2 POOF, nor > would your mission be having need of all that much spare energy for your > return trip from VL2 to Earth because, your exit energy demand from VL2 > would be next to nothing, other than the wussy gravity pull of the sun, > that's you're leaving behind at good velocity. > > Put any one of our spendy orbital do-everything supercomputers to work > on it, and then give us that fully 3D animated GOOGLE/NOVA production > quality run-through. > - > Brad Guth > > -- #191, ewill3@earthlink.net Useless C++ Programming Idea #10239993: char * f(char *p) {char *q = malloc(strlen(p)); strcpy(q,p); return q; } -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Re: How cool is VL2
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote in
message news:l1r9b4-krt.ln1@sirius.tg00suus7038.net > Somehow, I seriously doubt the VL2 point would get all that much shade. > But lessee. > > One should see Venus as a dot against the Sun, but that's about it. > > Looks to me to be about a 0.0001% reduction in insolation -- which > is basically nothing. Venus L2 is only worth an isolation of "0.0001%"(??????), and here I thought my math was pretty bad off. Would you like to try that one more time? I've got AutoCad. What have you got to work with? Try to remember that VL2 (1.0143e6 km > 1.0142e6 km) isn't all that far away from Venus. I'm thinking at least 85% isolation, and a bit more isolation if we're taking that 100+ km elevated deck of thick clouds into account. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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Re: How cool is VL2
"Bill Snyder" <bsnyder@airmail.net> wrote in message news:u473u25qqtmau2eneq293egct6r9e6dmdu@4ax.com > So when you posted all those messages to a thread that you titled "Our > moon is hot, Venus is not," you really meant the L2 point? When you > said, "Venus has certainly been a little different and perhaps a whole > lot more planetology rare |
