BTMO

<Antimulticulture@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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>
> I'm a minority - get me out of here!
> http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/2004_feb/news_feb07.htm
> February 6th 2004
>
> "The neighbourhood is getting worse," said the man who works at a local
> nursery. "When I came here, in 1973, it was safe and enjoyable. Now it has
> become a dumping ground for asylum-seekers. War criminals, murderers-they
> are all coming to Southall."

<snip>

In other words, migrants, if given time and the opportunity will integrate
well into society to the point where they will only be indistinguishable to
anyone else.

I suggest you just let them alone, allow them to live their lives unmolested
and welcome them with open arms, everything will be just fine.

Cheers,

Brenton

Antimulti-culty

Just how do you come to that conclusion given the unrest documented in the
article?

>BTMO <btmo@hotmail.com> wrote in message;
>
> In other words, migrants, if given time and the opportunity will integrate
> well into society to the point where they will only be indistinguishable
to
> anyone else.
>
> I suggest you just let them alone, allow them to live their lives
unmolested
> and welcome them with open arms, everything will be just fine.

--
JimB
http://www.geocities.com/UAM01
Union Against Multi-Culty

BTMO

"Antimulti-culty" <> wrote


> Just how do you come to that conclusion given the unrest documented in the
> article?

The main character in the article left his suburb, because he couldn't stand
the foreigners. A few generations earlier, his family were foreigners.

Given time and understanding, all foreigners eventually integrate into any
society.

Cheers,

Brenton

Dersu

"BTMO" <btmo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Given time and understanding, all foreigners eventually integrate into any
> society.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Brenton

Time certainly but hundreds of years rather than tens. And I don't think
understanding has much to do with it. Periods of extreme bloody violence
seem to be more the norm. How ever much some people would like it life is
not all touchy feely goodness and love. It is very difficult not to be
pessimistic about the future of Britain. The immigrant problem there is now
too big to be solved by integration and violence seems the most likely
outcome in the not too distant future. Britain is already one of the most
violent countries in the "civilised" world and the outlook is not rosy no
matter how heavily tinted your glasses.

D.

BTMO

"Dersu" <> wrote

> > Given time and understanding, all foreigners eventually integrate into
any
> > society.

> Time certainly but hundreds of years rather than tens.

Not in my experience.

I know too many Asians, Indians, Pakistanis and Eastern Europeans to think
otherwise. Their parents came to NZ or Australia with the intention of
fitting in, and they did. Their kids *are* well integrated NZers and
Australians, with interesting history and occassionally difficult to
pronounce names.

> And I don't think
> understanding has much to do with it.

I do. If someone changes country, and can't speak the language properly, it
takes a little effort on our part to understand what they are saying. Just
making the effort to listen carefully is appreciated by people who don't
speak English well. It demonstrates to them that you care about what they
think. Trust me in this, it is worth the effort.

> Periods of extreme bloody violence
> seem to be more the norm.

Periods of extreme bloody violence seem to be more the extreme limits of
behaviour, and what the bottom feeding media use to sell newspapers or
airtime to advertisers. Most of the people I know from "over there" despise
the violence as much as you do.

> How ever much some people would like it life is
> not all touchy feely goodness and love. It is very difficult not to be
> pessimistic about the future of Britain. The immigrant problem there is
now
> too big to be solved by integration and violence seems the most likely
> outcome in the not too distant future. Britain is already one of the most
> violent countries in the "civilised" world and the outlook is not rosy no
> matter how heavily tinted your glasses.

Don't get me wrong, I know there is violence, and I know that migrants are
often involved, but what of the skinheads and other people who perpetuate
the stereotypes and mistrust? Can you imagine the impact this has on people
who might be refugees from somewhere where the usual response is to fight
for your life?

I don't think that refugees / migrants are pure as the driven snow, but
neither do I think they are evil incarnate. They are people just like you
and me, and they will behave just like or me, dependant on the environment
they live in.

I find it much easier to just accept people than to try to pigeon hole them
these days. And I believe my life is enriched by the interactions I have
with people from other cultures.

This is not a "some of my best friends are Jews" statement, but I am proud
to call friends people from the following cultures / ethnicities:

Maori
English
Singaporean
Australian
NZ
Scottish
Irish
South African
Chinese
Japanese
Sri Lankan
Jewish
Indian
Pakistani
Vietnamese
Laosian (apologies if this is spelt wrong!)
German
Croation
Malaysian
Iranian
Norwegian
Afro-American

And a whole bunch of others. These are just the ones I could think of in two
minutes.

I happily have meals with most of these people (at my home or theirs), about
half of them have either slept at my house or vice versa, and I would be
delighted if either of my kids married into *any* of the above.

Yes, there are omissions - but I am not a "butterfly collector" - I
genuinely don't give a damn where people come from. These are just the
people I have formed relationships with over the last few years in various
work and social settings.

Cheers,

Brenton

BTMO

"BTMO" <> wrote

> This is not a "some of my best friends are Jews" statement, but I am proud
> to call friends people from the following cultures / ethnicities:
>
> Maori
> English
> Singaporean
> Australian
> NZ
> Scottish
> Irish
> South African
> Chinese
> Japanese
> Sri Lankan
> Jewish
> Indian
> Pakistani
> Vietnamese
> Laosian (apologies if this is spelt wrong!)
> German
> Croation
> Malaysian
> Iranian
> Norwegian
> Afro-American
>
> And a whole bunch of others. These are just the ones I could think of in
two
> minutes.

:-)

Thanks for the opportunity you've given me here - I am thinking about a
whole bunch of other friends now!

Greek
Italian
Macedonian (both types)
Lithuanian
gay (both types...)
French
Russian
American
Brazilian
Mexican
Egyptian
Canadian
Fijian
Samoan
Niuean
Papuan (or New Guinean - I can never remember!)
Argentinian
Costa Rican

.... well, you get the idea!

:-)

Cheers,

Brenton

Brian Dooley

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:11:50 +1300, "BTMO" <btmo@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>"Antimulti-culty" <> wrote
>
>
>> Just how do you come to that conclusion given the unrest documented in the
>> article?
>
>The main character in the article left his suburb, because he couldn't stand
>the foreigners. A few generations earlier, his family were foreigners.
>
>Given time and understanding, all foreigners eventually integrate into any
>society.

Yup, given time and understanding even Ockers can settle down in
NZ and become useful members of society.
--

Brian Dooley

Wellington New Zealand

BTMO

"Brian Dooley" <> wrote

> Yup, given time and understanding even Ockers can settle down in
> NZ and become useful members of society.

Damn straight!

Look at me...

;-)

Oliver Costich

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:11:50 +1300, "BTMO" <btmo@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Antimulti-culty" <> wrote
>
>
>> Just how do you come to that conclusion given the unrest documented in the
>> article?
>
>The main character in the article left his suburb, because he couldn't stand
>the foreigners. A few generations earlier, his family were foreigners.
>
>Given time and understanding, all foreigners eventually integrate into any
>society.

Like in east LA or south Texas?

>
>Cheers,
>
>Brenton
>

BTMO

"Oliver Costich" <> wrote

> >Given time and understanding, all foreigners eventually integrate into
any
> >society.
>
> Like in east LA or south Texas?

I have no idea. I have never been to east LA or Texas.

I know it is the case in Eastern Australia, and all of NZ.

People are people. How you treat them colour how they react.

Cheers,

Brenton

Brian Dooley

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 09:47:11 +1300, "BTMO" <btmo@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>"Brian Dooley" <> wrote
>
>> Yup, given time and understanding even Ockers can settle down in
>> NZ and become useful members of society.
>
>Damn straight!
>
>Look at me...
>
>;-)
>
I *am* looking.

To paraphrase Dictionary Johnson,

"Much may be made of an Ocker if he be caught young".
--

Brian Dooley

Wellington New Zealand