Voting: Dual Residency Question

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I qualify as both a resident in both Oregon and Washington. I have been
voting in both states for over ten years now. I was told by some this
is illegal. Any lawyers out there that have an answer?

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"Paul J. Berg" <pjberg@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> I qualify as both a resident in both Oregon and Washington. I have been
> voting in both states for over ten years now. I was told by some this
> is illegal. Any lawyers out there that have an answer?
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at the expense of everybody else."--Frederick Bastiat

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[posted and mailed]

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:57:18 -0700, in us.politics.elections,
pjberg@webtv.net (Paul J. Berg) wrote:

>`
>I qualify as both a resident in both Oregon and Washington. I have been
>voting in both states for over ten years now. I was told by some this
>is illegal. Any lawyers out there that have an answer?

Not here in us.politics.elections, but you might want to try us.legal.
There are a few lawyers who hang out in that group.

Otherwise, I suggest you ask an attorney in the area where you live.

My personal opinion is that it should be illegal, and if it isn't, I'd
like to see some appropriate laws passed at both State and Federal
levels. One person, one vote, no matter how many states you consider to
be "home".
--
Henrietta K. Thomas
Chicago, Illinois
hkt at xnet.com

In article <10861-45423A6E-585@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net>, Paul J.
Berg <pjberg@webtv.net> wrote:

> I qualify as a resident in both Oregon and Washington. I have
> been voting in both states for over ten years now. I was told by
> some this is illegal. Any lawyers out there that have an answer?

I am not a lawyer, but yes, it is absolutely illegal.

Congratulations -- you're a felon in two states! In theory, you could
go to prison for the rest of your natural life. Count the number of
times that you have registered in each state, plus the number of
elections in which you voted in both states, and multiply by 5 years,
for a rough estimate. Also, having repeatedly committed voter fraud,
you would be ineligible ever to vote again. I would recommend that,
even if you are not prosecuted, you never seek elected office, because
sooner or later your opponent will find out.

According to the Washington State Secretary of State's website, you
have committed class C felonies (punishable by up to 5 years in prison
and $10,000 fine for each charge) once for registering and again for
each time you voted. See RCW 29A.84.130 and .650 for the details (links
below). In Oregon, your registration is invalid according to Article
II, Section 2(1)(b) and ORS 247.555(1)(c) and 247.035(e), and by voting
you are in violation of ORS 247.007(3) and 260.715(3), which, according
to ORS 260.993(2) is a Class C felony.

It is quite illegal to vote in two states in the same election. There's
a thing called "one man, one vote," after all. The most relevant
sections of the statutes:

OREGON:
ORS 260.715 Prohibitions relating to voting and ballots.
(3) A person may not vote or attempt to vote more than once at any
election held on the same date.

ORS 260.993 Criminal penalties.
(2) Violation ... involving any action described in ORS 260.715 is a
Class C felony.

WASHINGTON:
RCW 29A.84.650
(1) Any person ... who intentionally votes or attempts to vote in both
this state and another state at any election, is guilty of a class C
felony.
(2) Any person who recklessly or negligently violates this section
commits a class 1 civil infraction as provided in RCW 7.80.120.

However, if you are otherwise legally a resident of both states, you
can choose either as your residence for voting purposes. You can also
vote, for example, in the Oregon primary election and the Washington
general election in the same year if those election dates correspond to
your physical presence there, provided you re-register each time you
switch states.

Washington law on ineligible voter registration, RCW 29A.84.130
<http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=29A.84.130>

Washington law on voting twice, RCW 29A.84.650
<http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=29A.84.650>

Oregon laws on registration and elections, ORS 247 through 260
<http://www.sos.state.or.us/elections/other.info/stat.htm>

Disclaimer: since I am not a lawyer, this non-legal non-advice is worth
exactly what you paid me for it.

[posted and mailed]

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:57:18 -0700, in us.politics.elections,
pjberg@webtv.net (Paul J. Berg) wrote:

>`
>I qualify as both a resident in both Oregon and Washington. I have been
>voting in both states for over ten years now. I was told by some this
>is illegal. Any lawyers out there that have an answer?

Not here in us.politics.elections, but you might want to try us.legal.
There are a few lawyers who hang out in that group.

Otherwise, I suggest you ask an attorney in the area where you live.

My personal opinion is that it should be illegal, and if it isn't, I'd
like to see some appropriate laws passed at both State and Federal
levels. One person, one vote, no matter how many states you consider to
be "home".
--
Henrietta K. Thomas
Chicago, Illinois
hkt at xnet.com

In article <10861-45423A6E-585@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net>, Paul J.
Berg <pjberg@webtv.net> wrote:

> I qualify as a resident in both Oregon and Washington. I have
> been voting in both states for over ten years now. I was told by
> some this is illegal. Any lawyers out there that have an answer?

I am not a lawyer, but yes, it is absolutely illegal.

Congratulations -- you're a felon in two states! In theory, you could
go to prison for the rest of your natural life. Count the number of
times that you have registered in each state, plus the number of
elections in which you voted in both states, and multiply by 5 years,
for a rough estimate. Also, having repeatedly committed voter fraud,
you would be ineligible ever to vote again. I would recommend that,
even if you are not prosecuted, you never seek elected office, because
sooner or later your opponent will find out.

According to the Washington State Secretary of State's website, you
have committed class C felonies (punishable by up to 5 years in prison
and $10,000 fine for each charge) once for registering and again for
each time you voted. See RCW 29A.84.130 and .650 for the details (links
below). In Oregon, your registration is invalid according to Article
II, Section 2(1)(b) and ORS 247.555(1)(c) and 247.035(e), and by voting
you are in violation of ORS 247.007(3) and 260.715(3), which, according
to ORS 260.993(2) is a Class C felony.

It is quite illegal to vote in two states in the same election. There's
a thing called "one man, one vote," after all. The most relevant
sections of the statutes:

OREGON:
ORS 260.715 Prohibitions relating to voting and ballots.
(3) A person may not vote or attempt to vote more than once at any
election held on the same date.

ORS 260.993 Criminal penalties.
(2) Violation ... involving any action described in ORS 260.715 is a
Class C felony.

WASHINGTON:
RCW 29A.84.650
(1) Any person ... who intentionally votes or attempts to vote in both
this state and another state at any election, is guilty of a class C
felony.
(2) Any person who recklessly or negligently violates this section
commits a class 1 civil infraction as provided in RCW 7.80.120.

However, if you are otherwise legally a resident of both states, you
can choose either as your residence for voting purposes. You can also
vote, for example, in the Oregon primary election and the Washington
general election in the same year if those election dates correspond to
your physical presence there, provided you re-register each time you
switch states.

Washington law on ineligible voter registration, RCW 29A.84.130
<http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=29A.84.130>

Washington law on voting twice, RCW 29A.84.650
<http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=29A.84.650>

Oregon laws on registration and elections, ORS 247 through 260
<http://www.sos.state.or.us/elections/other.info/stat.htm>

Disclaimer: since I am not a lawyer, this non-legal non-advice is worth
exactly what you paid me for it.

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Paul J. Berg	Voting: Dual Residency Question ` I qualify as both a resident in both Oregon and Washington. I have been voting in both states for over ten years now. I was told by some this is illegal. Any lawyers out there that have an answer? `

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	Re: Voting: Dual Residency Question "Paul J. Berg" <pjberg@webtv.net> wrote in message news:10861-45423A6E-585@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net... > ` > I qualify as both a resident in both Oregon and Washington. I have been > voting in both states for over ten years now. I was told by some this > is illegal. Any lawyers out there that have an answer? ****** You don't need a lawyer; you need a conscience. READ PERTINENT PITHY QUOTES BELOW "A wealthy man is one who earns $100 a year more than his wife's sister's husband."-- HL Mencken "What is most missing from the left in America is an element of grace--of civil grace, democratic grace...." --Peggy Noonan "Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."--Frederick Bastiat "Why are [liberals] producing so many bullies? And, dim dullard ones at that."--Peggy Noonan Hoo-Waw!! Right is right...and the Left is wrong. Ain't the truth beautiful!! Cheers, Dennis, Proud Postmodern Conservative Capitalist, Finest Kind Black Irish, English > > ` >

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Henrietta K Thomas	Re: Voting: Dual Residency Question [posted and mailed] On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:57:18 -0700, in us.politics.elections, pjberg@webtv.net (Paul J. Berg) wrote: >` >I qualify as both a resident in both Oregon and Washington. I have been >voting in both states for over ten years now. I was told by some this >is illegal. Any lawyers out there that have an answer? Not here in us.politics.elections, but you might want to try us.legal. There are a few lawyers who hang out in that group. Otherwise, I suggest you ask an attorney in the area where you live. My personal opinion is that it should be illegal, and if it isn't, I'd like to see some appropriate laws passed at both State and Federal levels. One person, one vote, no matter how many states you consider to be "home". -- Henrietta K. Thomas Chicago, Illinois hkt at xnet.com

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Linc Madison	Re: Voting: Dual Residency Question In article <10861-45423A6E-585@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net>, Paul J. Berg <pjberg@webtv.net> wrote: > I qualify as a resident in both Oregon and Washington. I have > been voting in both states for over ten years now. I was told by > some this is illegal. Any lawyers out there that have an answer? I am not a lawyer, but yes, it is absolutely illegal. Congratulations -- you're a felon in two states! In theory, you could go to prison for the rest of your natural life. Count the number of times that you have registered in each state, plus the number of elections in which you voted in both states, and multiply by 5 years, for a rough estimate. Also, having repeatedly committed voter fraud, you would be ineligible ever to vote again. I would recommend that, even if you are not prosecuted, you never seek elected office, because sooner or later your opponent will find out. According to the Washington State Secretary of State's website, you have committed class C felonies (punishable by up to 5 years in prison and $10,000 fine for each charge) once for registering and again for each time you voted. See RCW 29A.84.130 and .650 for the details (links below). In Oregon, your registration is invalid according to Article II, Section 2(1)(b) and ORS 247.555(1)(c) and 247.035(e), and by voting you are in violation of ORS 247.007(3) and 260.715(3), which, according to ORS 260.993(2) is a Class C felony. It is quite illegal to vote in two states in the same election. There's a thing called "one man, one vote," after all. The most relevant sections of the statutes: OREGON: ORS 260.715 Prohibitions relating to voting and ballots. (3) A person may not vote or attempt to vote more than once at any election held on the same date. ORS 260.993 Criminal penalties. (2) Violation ... involving any action described in ORS 260.715 is a Class C felony. WASHINGTON: RCW 29A.84.650 (1) Any person ... who intentionally votes or attempts to vote in both this state and another state at any election, is guilty of a class C felony. (2) Any person who recklessly or negligently violates this section commits a class 1 civil infraction as provided in RCW 7.80.120. However, if you are otherwise legally a resident of both states, you can choose either as your residence for voting purposes. You can also vote, for example, in the Oregon primary election and the Washington general election in the same year if those election dates correspond to your physical presence there, provided you re-register each time you switch states. Washington law on ineligible voter registration, RCW 29A.84.130 <http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=29A.84.130> Washington law on voting twice, RCW 29A.84.650 <http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=29A.84.650> Oregon laws on registration and elections, ORS 247 through 260 <http://www.sos.state.or.us/elections/other.info/stat.htm> Disclaimer: since I am not a lawyer, this non-legal non-advice is worth exactly what you paid me for it.