Re: Looking for a mid-size domestic car recommendation

Daniel J. Stern wrote:

> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:09:56 -0400
> From: Daniel J. Stern <dastern@127.0.0.1>
> Newsgroups: alt.autos.gm, rec.autos.makers.chrysler, alt.autos.ford,
> us.talk.constitution, us.politics, alt.politics.usa.constitution,
> us.talk.headline-news
> Subject: Re: Looking for a mid-size domestic car recommendation
>
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Bill Putney wrote:
>
> > > Sometimes I wonder how much it would have cost to have tested the
> > > western population for AIDS & then quarantined the infected persons in
> > > the 1980's...
>
> > Oh my gosh - the ACLU would have claimed that that was a violation of
> > someone's rights
>
> ...and they'd've been right.
>
>
> I'm not saying that people who have HIV/AIDS deserve it or deserve to get
> sick or deserve to die or anything of the sort. I'm not advocating a halt
> to research into a cure. What I am saying is that the pandemic as it
> exists in the first world is largely preventable at a cost of $0.00/case.
>
> The pandemic as it exists in large swaths of Africa is another matter
> altogether, and the way it's being (not) handled strongly suggests to me
> that pharmaceutical company interests lie in ever-changing treatments
> rather than a cure. Sick people need to continue to buy drugs. Healthy
> people don't.
>
> I'm very consistent in my philosophy on these types of matters. I feel
> similarly about lung cancer: If you don't want to get it, you can reduce
> your risk to damn near zero: Don't smoke tobacco. Not in cigarettes, not
> in pipes, not in cigars. I feel similarly about road injuries and deaths
> in those who don't wear seatbelts. It's a question of personal
> responsibility. Each of us takes it every day when we're walking down the
> sidewalk: We make the conscious decision NOT to jump into the street in
> front of a city bus. Your "quarantine 'em!" idea is akin to saying buses
> can kill, so we should drydock all the buses.
>
> I'm sure Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter and their ilk would love a
> quarantine on HIV-positive people, for reasons having nothing to do with
> control of disease propagation.
>
>
Okay, I'll bite. Can you cite an occasion where Rush Limbaugh has
advocated for the 'quarantine' of HIV-positive people? Can you explain
the reasoning behind your contention that those of his 'ilk' (which I
take to mean the Conservatives of the American right) would want to see
something like this happen? (Or are you speaking of another 'ilk' --
such as talk radio show hosts?)

Can you even hear Rush Limbaugh on the airwaves available in Toronto
without paying for a subscription to his website (as if!)? The point
is: do you listen to the show, or are you just throwing out criticism
based on what you've heard?

C'mon, Dan, you're usually *far* more intellectually honest than this.

--Geoff

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:44:41 -0400, Geoff
<geoff_gariepy@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>Okay, I'll bite. Can you cite an occasion where Rush Limbaugh has
>advocated for the 'quarantine' of HIV-positive people? Can you explain
>the reasoning behind your contention that those of his 'ilk' (which I
>take to mean the Conservatives of the American right) would want to see
>something like this happen? (Or are you speaking of another 'ilk' --
>such as talk radio show hosts?)
>
>Can you even hear Rush Limbaugh on the airwaves available in Toronto
>without paying for a subscription to his website (as if!)? The point
>is: do you listen to the show, or are you just throwing out criticism
>based on what you've heard?
>
>C'mon, Dan, you're usually *far* more intellectually honest than this.
>
>--Geoff

C'mon Geoff. Don't rally to the support of a prescription drug
abusing hypocrite. Let poor old Rush age gracefully outside of the
glare of the limelight.

PS this is my Troll bait just for fun.

PPS anyone know if Rush Drives a GM?

	#1
Geoff	Re: Looking for a mid-size domestic car recommendation Daniel J. Stern wrote: > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:09:56 -0400 > From: Daniel J. Stern <dastern@127.0.0.1> > Newsgroups: alt.autos.gm, rec.autos.makers.chrysler, alt.autos.ford, > us.talk.constitution, us.politics, alt.politics.usa.constitution, > us.talk.headline-news > Subject: Re: Looking for a mid-size domestic car recommendation > > On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Bill Putney wrote: > > > > Sometimes I wonder how much it would have cost to have tested the > > > western population for AIDS & then quarantined the infected persons in > > > the 1980's... > > > Oh my gosh - the ACLU would have claimed that that was a violation of > > someone's rights > > ...and they'd've been right. > > > I'm not saying that people who have HIV/AIDS deserve it or deserve to get > sick or deserve to die or anything of the sort. I'm not advocating a halt > to research into a cure. What I am saying is that the pandemic as it > exists in the first world is largely preventable at a cost of $0.00/case. > > The pandemic as it exists in large swaths of Africa is another matter > altogether, and the way it's being (not) handled strongly suggests to me > that pharmaceutical company interests lie in ever-changing treatments > rather than a cure. Sick people need to continue to buy drugs. Healthy > people don't. > > I'm very consistent in my philosophy on these types of matters. I feel > similarly about lung cancer: If you don't want to get it, you can reduce > your risk to damn near zero: Don't smoke tobacco. Not in cigarettes, not > in pipes, not in cigars. I feel similarly about road injuries and deaths > in those who don't wear seatbelts. It's a question of personal > responsibility. Each of us takes it every day when we're walking down the > sidewalk: We make the conscious decision NOT to jump into the street in > front of a city bus. Your "quarantine 'em!" idea is akin to saying buses > can kill, so we should drydock all the buses. > > I'm sure Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter and their ilk would love a > quarantine on HIV-positive people, for reasons having nothing to do with > control of disease propagation. > > Okay, I'll bite. Can you cite an occasion where Rush Limbaugh has advocated for the 'quarantine' of HIV-positive people? Can you explain the reasoning behind your contention that those of his 'ilk' (which I take to mean the Conservatives of the American right) would want to see something like this happen? (Or are you speaking of another 'ilk' -- such as talk radio show hosts?) Can you even hear Rush Limbaugh on the airwaves available in Toronto without paying for a subscription to his website (as if!)? The point is: do you listen to the show, or are you just throwing out criticism based on what you've heard? C'mon, Dan, you're usually far more intellectually honest than this. --Geoff

	#2
Full_Name	Re: Looking for a mid-size domestic car recommendation On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:44:41 -0400, Geoff <geoff_gariepy@nospamhotmail.com> wrote: > > >Okay, I'll bite. Can you cite an occasion where Rush Limbaugh has >advocated for the 'quarantine' of HIV-positive people? Can you explain >the reasoning behind your contention that those of his 'ilk' (which I >take to mean the Conservatives of the American right) would want to see >something like this happen? (Or are you speaking of another 'ilk' -- >such as talk radio show hosts?) > >Can you even hear Rush Limbaugh on the airwaves available in Toronto >without paying for a subscription to his website (as if!)? The point >is: do you listen to the show, or are you just throwing out criticism >based on what you've heard? > >C'mon, Dan, you're usually far more intellectually honest than this. > >--Geoff C'mon Geoff. Don't rally to the support of a prescription drug abusing hypocrite. Let poor old Rush age gracefully outside of the glare of the limelight. PS this is my Troll bait just for fun. PPS anyone know if Rush Drives a GM?