indoor touring car models

I am thinking of joining the local rc car club. They have alot of machines
costing up to £700. Transmitters are extra. It looks very well organised
even with a computer transponder system to calculate lap times.

My question for this forum is advice for beginners. People i've talked to
have so far suggested Tamiya and Schumacher racing. I've seen ready to run
kits for £109 then there are cars only going for twice that. Can anyone
explain what it is i'm buying?

ian wrote:
> I am thinking of joining the local rc car club. They have alot of machines
> costing up to £700. Transmitters are extra. It looks very well organised
> even with a computer transponder system to calculate lap times.
>
> My question for this forum is advice for beginners. People i've talked to
> have so far suggested Tamiya and Schumacher racing. I've seen ready to run
> kits for £109 then there are cars only going for twice that. Can anyone
> explain what it is i'm buying?
>
>
For £109 you'll get a car that is very basic, normally with bushes
instead of bearings, no exotic metals or 'hop-up' parts and which will
not be competitive at even club level.

However, you're actually getting a car that can be driven almost as fast
as decent cars, that can be upgraded, that can be used to learn how to
drive, that can be crashed and trashed with little cost whilst you're
learning and which will give you some idea of the complexities involved
in keeping a racing car racing.

For a beginner this _is_ the way to go. You could spend thousands for
your first car and all the bits needed, but you'll go no faster, indeed
mostly you'll go so fast you'lll just break everything and actually get
slower lap times 'cos you can't control it.

Have fun.

--
The Caretaker .........

"The Caretaker" <the_caretaker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> ian wrote:
>> I am thinking of joining the local rc car club. They have alot of
>> machines costing up to £700. Transmitters are extra. It looks very well
>> organised even with a computer transponder system to calculate lap times.
>>
>> My question for this forum is advice for beginners. People i've talked
>> to have so far suggested Tamiya and Schumacher racing. I've seen ready
>> to run kits for £109 then there are cars only going for twice that. Can
>> anyone explain what it is i'm buying?
> For £109 you'll get a car that is very basic, normally with bushes instead
> of bearings, no exotic metals or 'hop-up' parts and which will not be
> competitive at even club level.
>
> However, you're actually getting a car that can be driven almost as fast
> as decent cars, that can be upgraded, that can be used to learn how to
> drive, that can be crashed and trashed with little cost whilst you're
> learning and which will give you some idea of the complexities involved in
> keeping a racing car racing.
>
> For a beginner this _is_ the way to go. You could spend thousands for
> your first car and all the bits needed, but you'll go no faster, indeed
> mostly you'll go so fast you'lll just break everything and actually get
> slower lap times 'cos you can't control it.
>
> Have fun.
>
> --
> The Caretaker .........

A Tech Touring Car - In recent years, the popularity of 1/10th scale RC
touring cars has exploded, with the technologies involved in the cars
nearing those of their full sized counterparts!
Unfortunately, the use of such technology means that high performance RC
touring cars have a high price tag to match. Well not any more!

The 2005 RC Touring Car World Champions, Schumacher Racing, have done it
again, by bringing us the, frankly brilliant, Atech RTR Touring Car. By
combining the usual exemplary quality standards associated with Schumacher
products, with a fantastic low price, you have an unbeatable package.

The car itself, displays no signs of cost cutting anywhere, with high
performance components and superior design throughout. At each corner, you
will find oil filled, coil-over shocks, which, combined with the shaft
driven 4 wheel drive system and advanced suspension geometries, provides
superb control in the corners. The awesome cornering capabilities are
further enhanced by the carefully planned overall design of the car. The
design places all of the cars weight as low as possible in the chassis,
allowing for incredible cornering speeds, while the majority of the weight
of the car is also placed centrally, meaning that any tendency for
frustrating under steer or tricky over steer is virtually eliminated.

The car is fully ball-raced, promoting longevity and ensuring efficient
power transfer from the motor to the wheels. The motor itself has
unbelievable levels of power for a car in this price range, and provides
both superb acceleration and top speed. Of course, all this would be
pointless if the radio unit in the package wasn't up to the task, but
fortunately this is definitely not the case. The radio unit included is a
superior quality example, allowing precise control at substantial range.

By taking all of these ingredients, and combining them together with
Schumacher's degree of skill and quality, you get an incredible package at
an incredible price.

Tech Specification:
1/10th Scale Touring Car.
Pre-Painted Protoform Bodyshell.
4WD.
Fully Ballraced.
Shaft Drive.
Atech E.S.C.
Oil Filled Shocks.
Fully Proportional Wheel Radio.
2000 NiMh Battery (included).
Charger.
Requires 8xAA Batteries.
Available with two bodies, Mazda and Stratus 3.

ian wrote:
> "The Caretaker" <the_caretaker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:YfHug.37050$eQ.18433@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
>
>>ian wrote:
>>
>>>I am thinking of joining the local rc car club. They have alot of
>>>machines costing up to £700. Transmitters are extra. It looks very well
>>>organised even with a computer transponder system to calculate lap times.
>>>
>>>My question for this forum is advice for beginners. People i've talked
>>>to have so far suggested Tamiya and Schumacher racing. I've seen ready
>>>to run kits for £109 then there are cars only going for twice that. Can
>>>anyone explain what it is i'm buying?
>>
>>For £109 you'll get a car that is very basic, normally with bushes instead
>>of bearings, no exotic metals or 'hop-up' parts and which will not be
>>competitive at even club level.
>>
>>However, you're actually getting a car that can be driven almost as fast
>>as decent cars, that can be upgraded, that can be used to learn how to
>>drive, that can be crashed and trashed with little cost whilst you're
>>learning and which will give you some idea of the complexities involved in
>>keeping a racing car racing.
>>
>>For a beginner this _is_ the way to go. You could spend thousands for
>>your first car and all the bits needed, but you'll go no faster, indeed
>>mostly you'll go so fast you'lll just break everything and actually get
>>slower lap times 'cos you can't control it.
>>
>>Have fun.
>
> A Tech Touring Car
>
> By taking all of these ingredients, and combining them together with
> Schumacher's degree of skill and quality, you get an incredible package at
> an incredible price.

So it looks good, but a lot of that is 'marketing speak', it's an
excellent starter car, but would need a lot of additions, modifications
and better equipment to be competitive even at club level. In the same
way that driving a top-end car is NOT a good idea for a beginner.

As a couple of examples of why it's cheap, I currently use 3700
batteries, and they're over a year old ... my transmitter/receiver
combination alone cost £250. The bearings used in the rtr Schumachers
are not the same as those in the higher end kits, inded most of the
componentry is about 8 or more years out of date, just re-packaged which
is what Schumacher are very, very good at.

For a starter driver, beginner etc it's fine, and will last for at least
the first year, by which time you'll need/want another car and kit
anyway 'cos you'll then understand what I'm saying......

--
The Caretaker .........

"The Caretaker" <the_caretaker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:M7Lug.13902$sz1.10494@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
> >
>> By taking all of these ingredients, and combining them together with
>> Schumacher's degree of skill and quality, you get an incredible package
>> at an incredible price.
>
> So it looks good, but a lot of that is 'marketing speak', it's an
> excellent starter car, but would need a lot of additions, modifications
> and better equipment to be competitive even at club level. In the same way
> that driving a top-end car is NOT a good idea for a beginner.
>
> As a couple of examples of why it's cheap, I currently use 3700 batteries,
> and they're over a year old ... my transmitter/receiver combination alone
> cost £250. The bearings used in the rtr Schumachers are not the same as
> those in the higher end kits, inded most of the componentry is about 8 or
> more years out of date, just re-packaged which is what Schumacher are
> very, very good at.
>
> For a starter driver, beginner etc it's fine, and will last for at least
> the first year, by which time you'll need/want another car and kit anyway
> 'cos you'll then understand what I'm saying......
>
> --
> The Caretaker .........

well i just went down to the shop. They say at wodson park the tyres aren't
legal. I need carpet dragons or lpo. then there is gunk you have to put on
the tyres, so not only gunk but a car stand. so far gunk is £? stand is
£28, tyres are £28 a set. Then there is 3 sets of 3700 batteries £28 each.
A 4 amp quick charger another £28. Then of course at least 3 sets of
crystals. price unknown. not a cheap sport by any means.

ian wrote:
> "The Caretaker" <the_caretaker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:M7Lug.13902$sz1.10494@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
>
>>>By taking all of these ingredients, and combining them together with
>>>Schumacher's degree of skill and quality, you get an incredible package
>>>at an incredible price.
>>
>>So it looks good, but a lot of that is 'marketing speak', it's an
>>excellent starter car, but would need a lot of additions, modifications
>>and better equipment to be competitive even at club level. In the same way
>>that driving a top-end car is NOT a good idea for a beginner.
>>
>>As a couple of examples of why it's cheap, I currently use 3700 batteries,
>>and they're over a year old ... my transmitter/receiver combination alone
>>cost £250. The bearings used in the rtr Schumachers are not the same as
>>those in the higher end kits, inded most of the componentry is about 8 or
>>more years out of date, just re-packaged which is what Schumacher are
>>very, very good at.
>>
>>For a starter driver, beginner etc it's fine, and will last for at least
>>the first year, by which time you'll need/want another car and kit anyway
>>'cos you'll then understand what I'm saying......
>>
>>--
>>The Caretaker .........
>
>
> well i just went down to the shop. They say at wodson park the tyres aren't
> legal. I need carpet dragons or lpo. then there is gunk you have to put on
> the tyres, so not only gunk but a car stand. so far gunk is £? stand is
> £28, tyres are £28 a set. Then there is 3 sets of 3700 batteries £28 each.
> A 4 amp quick charger another £28. Then of course at least 3 sets of
> crystals. price unknown. not a cheap sport by any means.

.... and that's just to start ...

Most places will only run specific tyres, but at least that makes the
racing even ... providing you can make them work with the right tyre
insert ...

A proper shop-bought stand isn't necessary, anything that holds the
tyres off your pit table/towel will do, I use a plastic sandwich box
with non-slip stuff on top and bottom.

Crystals, cell packs and a
charger are absolutely necessary, as is a 12 volt battery to charge
from, unless you have mains available and some peak chargers don't run
off mains. You don't _need_ tyre additive to race, and I would say
especially at beginner level it shouldn't be used. You will need it to
be competitive, but that _will_ take time. You also need to know how to
apply it properly and use it correctly, otherwise you might get a little
high, or burn the place down, so get to sit/pit next to someone using it
and watch/ask them what to do _before_ buying any.

Forget the shop for a while, go to the track you'll most likely race at
and see what's being run, what others are using and take it from there.
Just get the absolute basics to start with, and the local trackstars
might be selling off older tyres etc cheaply, don't knock it, it's a
relatively inexpensive way to start.

Best thing you can do is practice. If you haven't tried r/c racing then
play, A LOT ...

Anywhere open and flat will do, but be disciplined
and make a track, even an oval or figure eight will do, and drive round
it. Do it without crashing and increase speed each lap until you can't
go faster or crash. If you crash, do a lap slowly without crashing,
then increase speed again until you crash again. Just bashing and
spinning tyres might look impressive to mates but won't increase
laptimes. _DON'T_ go out and buy a faster motor, it'll make you slower
.... ballistically fast between crashes, which will drop your laptimes.

Have Fun.

--
The Caretaker .........

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ian	indoor touring car models I am thinking of joining the local rc car club. They have alot of machines costing up to £700. Transmitters are extra. It looks very well organised even with a computer transponder system to calculate lap times. My question for this forum is advice for beginners. People i've talked to have so far suggested Tamiya and Schumacher racing. I've seen ready to run kits for £109 then there are cars only going for twice that. Can anyone explain what it is i'm buying?

	#2
The Caretaker	Re: indoor touring car models ian wrote: > I am thinking of joining the local rc car club. They have alot of machines > costing up to £700. Transmitters are extra. It looks very well organised > even with a computer transponder system to calculate lap times. > > My question for this forum is advice for beginners. People i've talked to > have so far suggested Tamiya and Schumacher racing. I've seen ready to run > kits for £109 then there are cars only going for twice that. Can anyone > explain what it is i'm buying? > > For £109 you'll get a car that is very basic, normally with bushes instead of bearings, no exotic metals or 'hop-up' parts and which will not be competitive at even club level. However, you're actually getting a car that can be driven almost as fast as decent cars, that can be upgraded, that can be used to learn how to drive, that can be crashed and trashed with little cost whilst you're learning and which will give you some idea of the complexities involved in keeping a racing car racing. For a beginner this _is_ the way to go. You could spend thousands for your first car and all the bits needed, but you'll go no faster, indeed mostly you'll go so fast you'lll just break everything and actually get slower lap times 'cos you can't control it. Have fun. -- The Caretaker .........

	#3
ian	Re: indoor touring car models "The Caretaker" <the_caretaker@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:YfHug.37050$eQ.18433@newsfe7-win.ntli.net... > ian wrote: >> I am thinking of joining the local rc car club. They have alot of >> machines costing up to £700. Transmitters are extra. It looks very well >> organised even with a computer transponder system to calculate lap times. >> >> My question for this forum is advice for beginners. People i've talked >> to have so far suggested Tamiya and Schumacher racing. I've seen ready >> to run kits for £109 then there are cars only going for twice that. Can >> anyone explain what it is i'm buying? > For £109 you'll get a car that is very basic, normally with bushes instead > of bearings, no exotic metals or 'hop-up' parts and which will not be > competitive at even club level. > > However, you're actually getting a car that can be driven almost as fast > as decent cars, that can be upgraded, that can be used to learn how to > drive, that can be crashed and trashed with little cost whilst you're > learning and which will give you some idea of the complexities involved in > keeping a racing car racing. > > For a beginner this _is_ the way to go. You could spend thousands for > your first car and all the bits needed, but you'll go no faster, indeed > mostly you'll go so fast you'lll just break everything and actually get > slower lap times 'cos you can't control it. > > Have fun. > > -- > The Caretaker ......... A Tech Touring Car - In recent years, the popularity of 1/10th scale RC touring cars has exploded, with the technologies involved in the cars nearing those of their full sized counterparts! Unfortunately, the use of such technology means that high performance RC touring cars have a high price tag to match. Well not any more! The 2005 RC Touring Car World Champions, Schumacher Racing, have done it again, by bringing us the, frankly brilliant, Atech RTR Touring Car. By combining the usual exemplary quality standards associated with Schumacher products, with a fantastic low price, you have an unbeatable package. The car itself, displays no signs of cost cutting anywhere, with high performance components and superior design throughout. At each corner, you will find oil filled, coil-over shocks, which, combined with the shaft driven 4 wheel drive system and advanced suspension geometries, provides superb control in the corners. The awesome cornering capabilities are further enhanced by the carefully planned overall design of the car. The design places all of the cars weight as low as possible in the chassis, allowing for incredible cornering speeds, while the majority of the weight of the car is also placed centrally, meaning that any tendency for frustrating under steer or tricky over steer is virtually eliminated. The car is fully ball-raced, promoting longevity and ensuring efficient power transfer from the motor to the wheels. The motor itself has unbelievable levels of power for a car in this price range, and provides both superb acceleration and top speed. Of course, all this would be pointless if the radio unit in the package wasn't up to the task, but fortunately this is definitely not the case. The radio unit included is a superior quality example, allowing precise control at substantial range. By taking all of these ingredients, and combining them together with Schumacher's degree of skill and quality, you get an incredible package at an incredible price. Tech Specification: 1/10th Scale Touring Car. Pre-Painted Protoform Bodyshell. 4WD. Fully Ballraced. Shaft Drive. Atech E.S.C. Oil Filled Shocks. Fully Proportional Wheel Radio. 2000 NiMh Battery (included). Charger. Requires 8xAA Batteries. Available with two bodies, Mazda and Stratus 3.