Lima OO scale

Can anyone kindly advise:
I have acquired some Lima rolling stock, supposedly all OO gauge, but some
are distinctly smaller than others – for instance mark 2 (I think it is)
Inter-City carriages some 264 mm long and some 232 mm long (and
corresponding width & height). Track gauge is the same.
How come different scales?
Thanks

On 14/07/2007 13:00, Mike Brayshaw said,
> Can anyone kindly advise:
> I have acquired some Lima rolling stock, supposedly all OO gauge, but some
> are distinctly smaller than others – for instance mark 2 (I think it is)
> Inter-City carriages some 264 mm long and some 232 mm long (and
> corresponding width & height). Track gauge is the same.
> How come different scales?

Lima made some MkII stock to HO scale, as well as to OO. There was also
a Class 33 to HO scale, as well as some Pullman coaches. The track
gauge is correct for HO scale, but OO people run on narrow gauge track :-)

I have a set for dale at some point!

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

"Paul Boyd" <usenet@abcd.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 14/07/2007 13:00, Mike Brayshaw said,
>> Can anyone kindly advise:
>> I have acquired some Lima rolling stock, supposedly all OO gauge, but
>> some are distinctly smaller than others – for instance mark 2 (I think it
>> is) Inter-City carriages some 264 mm long and some 232 mm long (and
>> corresponding width & height). Track gauge is the same.
>> How come different scales?
>
> Lima made some MkII stock to HO scale, as well as to OO. There was also a
> Class 33 to HO scale, as well as some Pullman coaches. The track gauge is
> correct for HO scale, but OO people run on narrow gauge track :-)
>
> I have a set for dale at some point!
>
They also did a 4f in HO with coachs, but I can't remember what the coachs
were based on.

Mike Brayshaw wrote:
> Can anyone kindly advise:
> I have acquired some Lima rolling stock, supposedly all OO gauge, but some
> are distinctly smaller than others – for instance mark 2 (I think it is)
> Inter-City carriages some 264 mm long and some 232 mm long (and
> corresponding width & height). Track gauge is the same.
> How come different scales?
> Thanks
>
>

Care to sell the smaller ones? (They're HO scale, correct for 16.5mm gauge.)

--
Wolf
'Just because it's true doesn't mean it's the right answer.'

"Paul Boyd" <usenet@abcd.invalid> wrote in message
news:4698d23f$0$24749$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
> On 14/07/2007 13:00, Mike Brayshaw said,
>> Can anyone kindly advise:
>> I have acquired some Lima rolling stock, supposedly all OO gauge, but
>> some are distinctly smaller than others – for instance mark 2 (I think it
>> is) Inter-City carriages some 264 mm long and some 232 mm long (and
>> corresponding width & height). Track gauge is the same.
>> How come different scales?
>
> Lima made some MkII stock to HO scale, as well as to OO. There was also a
> Class 33 to HO scale, as well as some Pullman coaches. The track gauge is
> correct for HO scale, but OO people run on narrow gauge track :-)
>
> I have a set for dale at some point!
>
> --
> Paul Boyd
> http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

I'm sure dale will be very happy about that ;-)

Ian J.

Wolf wrote:

>
> Care to sell the smaller ones? (They're HO scale, correct for 16.5mm
> gauge.)
>
Don't bother, they are dreadful. These coaches might be to 3.5mm height
& length, but are to 4mm scale width. Thus making them squat.
Based very loosely on BR Mk1's.

Kevin Martin

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On 14/07/2007 15:06, Ian J. said,

> I'm sure dale will be very happy about that ;-)

Whoops :-)

--
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http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

Hi
Lima originally made HO models which also ran on 00 track. Later on they
released a 00 British range and discontinued their H0 British models.

Dave

"Mike Brayshaw" <mikebrayshaw1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:eV2mi.19761$_l6.10790@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
> Can anyone kindly advise:
> I have acquired some Lima rolling stock, supposedly all OO gauge, but some
> are distinctly smaller than others - for instance mark 2 (I think it is)
> Inter-City carriages some 264 mm long and some 232 mm long (and
> corresponding width & height). Track gauge is the same.
> How come different scales?
> Thanks
>

"FRANCIS TUCKLEY" <david_tuckley@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi
> Lima originally made HO models which also ran on 00 track. Later on
> they released a 00 British range and discontinued their H0 British
> models.

No, it's 00 models that run on H0 track!

--
Martin S.

Paul Boyd wrote:
>
> On 14/07/2007 13:00, Mike Brayshaw said,
> > Can anyone kindly advise:
> > I have acquired some Lima rolling stock, supposedly all OO gauge, but some
> > are distinctly smaller than others – for instance mark 2 (I think it is)
> > Inter-City carriages some 264 mm long and some 232 mm long (and
> > corresponding width & height). Track gauge is the same.
> > How come different scales?
>
> Lima made some MkII stock to HO scale, as well as to OO. There was also
> a Class 33 to HO scale, as well as some Pullman coaches. The track
> gauge is correct for HO scale, but OO people run on narrow gauge track :-)
>
> I have a set for dale at some point!
>
> --
> Paul Boyd
> http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

I model British HO!
I need more Mk IIs.

There were 3 different Mk Is in a variety colours.
I think 4 different Mk IIs in blue/grey.
Pullmans were freelance European in BR brown/grey.
2 brake vans LMS + GWR
HSO
Box van.
BR 33 green and blue.
4F
Assorted European wagons, locos in BR markings.

Regards,
Greg.P.
NZ

estarriol wrote:
>
> "Paul Boyd" <usenet@abcd.invalid> wrote in message
> news:4698d23f$0$24749$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
> > On 14/07/2007 13:00, Mike Brayshaw said,
> >> Can anyone kindly advise:
> >> I have acquired some Lima rolling stock, supposedly all OO gauge, but
> >> some are distinctly smaller than others – for instance mark 2 (I think it
> >> is) Inter-City carriages some 264 mm long and some 232 mm long (and
> >> corresponding width & height). Track gauge is the same.
> >> How come different scales?
> >
> > Lima made some MkII stock to HO scale, as well as to OO. There was also a
> > Class 33 to HO scale, as well as some Pullman coaches. The track gauge is
> > correct for HO scale, but OO people run on narrow gauge track :-)
> >
> > I have a set for dale at some point!
> >
> They also did a 4f in HO with coachs, but I can't remember what the coachs
> were based on.

Opps, forgot freelance coach in GWR livery for toy train sets.

MartinS wrote:
>
> "FRANCIS TUCKLEY" <david_tuckley@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> > Lima originally made HO models which also ran on 00 track. Later on
> > they released a 00 British range and discontinued their H0 British
> > models.
>
> No, it's 00 models that run on H0 track!

Not if you're modelling 4' 1 1/2" gauge!
;-)

Greg.P.

Greg Procter wrote:

>> No, it's 00 models that run on H0 track!
>
> Not if you're modelling 4' 1 1/2" gauge!
> ;-)
>
Perfect for modelling the Glasgow Underground

Kevin Martin
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Kevin Martin wrote:
>
> Greg Procter wrote:
>
> >> No, it's 00 models that run on H0 track!
> >
> > Not if you're modelling 4' 1 1/2" gauge!
> > ;-)
> >
> Perfect for modelling the Glasgow Underground

Did they operate a lot of LMS 4Fs and BR33s???

Greg.P.

Greg Procter wrote:
> Kevin Martin wrote:
>> Greg Procter wrote:

>>> Not if you're modelling 4' 1 1/2" gauge!
>>> ;-)
>>>
>> Perfect for modelling the Glasgow Underground
>
> Did they operate a lot of LMS 4Fs and BR33s???
>

Absolutely ;-)

It hides the fact that the Lima HO 4F's had reversing rods on both
sides. Perhaps they used the 33s to generate the power.

The Glasgow Underground used to have only island platforms on a double
track oval with no points and handed trains, for those that didn't know.

Kevin Martin

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On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 23:11:38 +1000, Kevin Martin
<kevinrailway@notreqdoptusnet.com.au> wrote:

>The Glasgow Underground used to have only island platforms on a double
>track oval with no points and handed trains, for those that didn't know.

And it actually used crane shunting, in that it had a vertical lift
in the tracks to lift stock to the ground level maintenance depot,
and, of course, drop them back down again to get back into service.

The simplicity of the circuit derived from the original system which
was rope hauled, with a huge continuous loop of rope for each track
which was kept in constant motion by a winding station. The carriages
started and stopped by clamping or releasing the rope.

I think I remember that the ropes were the longest continuous pieces
of rope in the world at the time. The preservatives used on the
ropes also gave "The Subway" a distinctive aroma which lasted from the
time of its electrification in 1935 up to the modernisation in the
70s. I've been away from Glasgow since 1980 so maybe some present
inhabitants might be able to say if the aroma has outlasted the
modernisation :-)

Jim.

On 15/07/2007 17:07, Jim Guthrie said,

> And it actually used crane shunting, in that it had a vertical lift
> in the tracks to lift stock to the ground level maintenance depot,
> and, of course, drop them back down again to get back into service.

I guess that must have been discontinued years ago. I worked on it
about 20 years ago, and I'm sure there were turnouts to the maintenance
depot.

Nasty, horrible job. Working on live TETS wires in the damp trying to
get used to being electrocuted. Lovely!

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

Paul Boyd <usenet@abcd.invalid> wrote:
> On 15/07/2007 17:07, Jim Guthrie said,
>
>> And it actually used crane shunting, in that it had a vertical lift
>> in the tracks to lift stock to the ground level maintenance depot,
>> and, of course, drop them back down again to get back into service.
>
> I guess that must have been discontinued years ago. I worked on it
> about 20 years ago, and I'm sure there were turnouts to the maintenance
> depot.
>
> Nasty, horrible job. Working on live TETS wires in the damp trying to
> get used to being electrocuted. Lovely!

They do have ground-level maintenance and storage yards now. You can drive
the "Clockwork Orange" with the BVE train simulator. Tunnel diameter is
only 10ft - 2 ft smaller than London's deep tubes. Recorded anouncements
say "Mind the dooors" in a Scots accent.

--
Martin S.

My investigations reveal two separate types - I have both: the ones Kevin's
referring to are indeed squat and curiously continental style. But the HO
models are exactly the same as the OO, just smaller. I'll send Kevin a
picture.

"Kevin Martin" wrote

> Wolf wrote:
>
>>
>> Care to sell the smaller ones? (They're HO scale, correct for 16.5mm
>> gauge.)
>>
> Don't bother, they are dreadful. These coaches might be to 3.5mm height &
> length, but are to 4mm scale width. Thus making them squat.
> Based very loosely on BR Mk1's.
>
> Kevin Martin
>
> --

Well, fascinating where my query has taken us!

Thanks to everyone.

Wolf wrote:
> Care to sell the smaller ones? (They're HO scale, correct for 16.5mm
> gauge.)
- Yes, contact me: mikebrayshaw@ntlworld.com. My email to you at
ElLoboViejo@ruddy.moss bounces.
Kevn Martin's comment relates to yet another style (of which I have
examples)

"Wolf" <ElLoboViejo@ruddy.moss> wrote in message
news:4698d6c2$0$13436$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.co m...
> Mike Brayshaw wrote:
>> Can anyone kindly advise:
>> I have acquired some Lima rolling stock, supposedly all OO gauge, but
>> some are distinctly smaller than others – for instance mark 2 (I think it
>> is) Inter-City carriages some 264 mm long and some 232 mm long (and
>> corresponding width & height). Track gauge is the same.
>> How come different scales?
>> Thanks
>
>
> Care to sell the smaller ones? (They're HO scale, correct for 16.5mm
> gauge.)
>
> --
> Wolf
> 'Just because it's true doesn't mean it's the right answer.'

Wolf & Kevin Martin please see emails dated today but inserted in the list
above.

Please both email me.

"Mike Brayshaw" <mikebrayshaw1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Well, fascinating where my query has taken us!
>
> Thanks to everyone.
>

Replies to email address given in post below are bouncing.

> Care to sell the smaller ones? (They're HO scale, correct for 16.5mm
> gauge.)

- Yes! And Kevin Martin is wrong - he's confusing it with yet another
scale.

mikebrayshaw[at]ntlworld.com

"Wolf" <ElLoboViejo@ruddy.moss> wrote in message
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> Mike Brayshaw wrote:
>> Can anyone kindly advise:
>> I have acquired some Lima rolling stock, supposedly all OO gauge, but
>> some are distinctly smaller than others – for instance mark 2 (I think it
>> is) Inter-City carriages some 264 mm long and some 232 mm long (and
>> corresponding width & height). Track gauge is the same.
>> How come different scales?
>> Thanks
>
>
> Care to sell the smaller ones? (They're HO scale, correct for 16.5mm
> gauge.)
>
> --
> Wolf
> 'Just because it's true doesn't mean it's the right answer.'

I have a website for Lima British HO it is:

www.limabritishho.co.uk

Jon

"Jon Biglowe" wrote

>I have a website for Lima British HO it is:
>
> www.limabritishho.co.uk

And very welcome you are to it Jon! ;-)

John.

John Turner wrote:
> "Jon Biglowe" wrote
>

>
> And very welcome you are to it Jon! ;-)
>
> John.
>

Yes I have to agree, a collection best forgotten. Another range of non
British HO. In other words they aren't proper HO at all, no wonder it
was doomed.

Kevin Martin

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"Kevin Martin" <kevinrailway@notreqdoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> John Turner wrote:
>> "Jon Biglowe" wrote
>>
>
>>
>> And very welcome you are to it Jon! ;-)
>>
>> John.
>
> Yes I have to agree, a collection best forgotten. Another range of non
> British HO. In other words they aren't proper HO at all, no wonder it was
> doomed.

The website is still a useful resource for those who are interested.

(kim)

kim said the following on 19/07/2007 15:49:

> The website is still a useful resource for those who are interested.

....and for those who have some as part of a collection to sell to some
unsuspecting punter, sorry - valued customer, on eBay ;-)

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kim wrote:
>
> "Kevin Martin" <kevinrailway@notreqdoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:469f7577$0$6925$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
> > John Turner wrote:
> >> "Jon Biglowe" wrote
> >>
> >
> >>
> >> And very welcome you are to it Jon! ;-)
> >>
> >> John.
> >
> > Yes I have to agree, a collection best forgotten. Another range of non
> > British HO. In other words they aren't proper HO at all, no wonder it was
> > doomed.
>
> The website is still a useful resource for those who are interested.
>
> (kim)

We don't expect proper scale models of British trains in any scale other
than 1:1.

Regards,
Greg.P.

"kim" wrote

> The website is still a useful resource for those who are interested.

My comment wasn't really aimed at the website, but at British HO.

John.

John Turner wrote:
>
> "kim" wrote
>
> > The website is still a useful resource for those who are interested.
>
> My comment wasn't really aimed at the website, but at British HO.
>
> John.

Many of us like to have examples of models from different countries
around the world. It's nice when they are to a common scale.
Lima (a toy train manufacturer circa 1975) produced models of most
European countries and probably imagined that British models would sell
in the same manner that (say) French models sold in the rest of Europe,
German models sold in the rest of Europe etc. etc. They got it wrong and
changed to a Britain only scale in 1976-78.
Fleischmann still do a very nice BR loco and coaches in HO and I'd guess
that those sell mostly in Europe. They've never bothered to produce any
additional items so I again guess that they don't think it's worth the
effort. Rivarossi tried in a bastard scale and failed. Roco do a very
nice BR Diesel shunter in NS liveries and don't bother to offer it in BR
colours.

Regards,
Greg.P.

On the 16 Jul 2007, MartinS <me@my.place> wrote:

<snip>

[Glasgow Underground]

> Recorded anouncements say "Mind the dooors" in a Scots accent.

Last time I was on the Tyne & Wear Metro, I noticed that they'd
changed the voice saying "Stand clear of the doors please" from a
Geordie bloke to a woman with a fairly posh accent of indeterminate
origin. It's PCGM!!! ;-)

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"Graham Thurlwell" wrote

> Last time I was on the Tyne & Wear Metro, I noticed that they'd
> changed the voice saying "Stand clear of the doors please" from a
> Geordie bloke to a woman with a fairly posh accent of indeterminate
> origin. It's PCGM!!! ;-)

Maybe they wanted passengers to be able to understand the announcement?

John.

"John Turner" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> "Graham Thurlwell" wrote
>
>> Last time I was on the Tyne & Wear Metro, I noticed that they'd
>> changed the voice saying "Stand clear of the doors please" from a
>> Geordie bloke to a woman with a fairly posh accent of indeterminate
>> origin. It's PCGM!!! ;-)
>
> Maybe they wanted passengers to be able to understand the announcement?

"Burmingham, this is Burmingham."

(shut up kim, they don't know what you're talking about)

On 18 Jul, 12:41, "John Turner" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> "Jon Biglowe" wrote
>
> >I have a website for Lima British HO it is:
>
> >www.limabritishho.co.uk
>
> And very welcome you are to it Jon! ;-)
>
> John.

Actually, looking at the photos on that site, it certainly shows just
how much progress has been made on detailed rtr models in the last 30
years.

"crazyhorse" wrote

> Actually, looking at the photos on that site, it certainly shows just
> how much progress has been made on detailed rtr models in the last 30
> years.

But in OO that progress has been made on out-of-the-box RTR locos.

John.

"Greg Procter" <procter@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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> Paul Boyd wrote:
>>
>> On 14/07/2007 13:00, Mike Brayshaw said,
>> > Can anyone kindly advise:
>> > I have acquired some Lima rolling stock, supposedly all OO gauge, but
>> > some
>> > are distinctly smaller than others - for instance mark 2 (I think it
>> > is)
>> > Inter-City carriages some 264 mm long and some 232 mm long (and
>> > corresponding width & height). Track gauge is the same.
>> > How come different scales?
>>
>> Lima made some MkII stock to HO scale, as well as to OO. There was also
>> a Class 33 to HO scale, as well as some Pullman coaches. The track
>> gauge is correct for HO scale, but OO people run on narrow gauge track
>> :-)
>>
>> I have a set for dale at some point!
>>
>> --
>> Paul Boyd
>> http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/
>
> I model British HO!
> I need more Mk IIs.
>
> There were 3 different Mk Is in a variety colours.
> I think 4 different Mk IIs in blue/grey.
> Pullmans were freelance European in BR brown/grey.
> 2 brake vans LMS + GWR
> HSO
> Box van.
> BR 33 green and blue.
> 4F
> Assorted European wagons, locos in BR markings.
>
> Regards,
> Greg.P.
> NZ
So who would be daft enough to buy Lima 4F without realising its HO ?

Ok, there was a good reason as well as its unboxed and cheap.

So now I see its about the same size as an 00 Cauliflower. If the cab was
hacked a bit, swap chimney and dome for something pre-1900 then could it be
converted into something that was rebuilt with a belpaire boiler ?

Anon

"John Turner" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> "crazyhorse" wrote
>
>> Actually, looking at the photos on that site, it certainly shows just
>> how much progress has been made on detailed rtr models in the last 30
>> years.
>
> But in OO that progress has been made on out-of-the-box RTR locos.
>
> John.
>
Gem kits with etched chassis ?

I wasnt impressed with the white metal reversing lever provided so made one
out of scrap brass. Today - having just given the loco body its second coat
of black paint - I find the very nice etched one with extra detail fittings.

cheers,
Simon

Graham Thurlwell <nospam@jades.org> wrote:
> On the 16 Jul 2007, MartinS <me@my.place> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> [Glasgow Undergr

	#1
Mike Brayshaw	Lima OO scale Can anyone kindly advise: I have acquired some Lima rolling stock, supposedly all OO gauge, but some are distinctly smaller than others – for instance mark 2 (I think it is) Inter-City carriages some 264 mm long and some 232 mm long (and corresponding width & height). Track gauge is the same. How come different scales? Thanks

	#2
Paul Boyd	Re: Lima OO scale On 14/07/2007 13:00, Mike Brayshaw said, > Can anyone kindly advise: > I have acquired some Lima rolling stock, supposedly all OO gauge, but some > are distinctly smaller than others – for instance mark 2 (I think it is) > Inter-City carriages some 264 mm long and some 232 mm long (and > corresponding width & height). Track gauge is the same. > How come different scales? Lima made some MkII stock to HO scale, as well as to OO. There was also a Class 33 to HO scale, as well as some Pullman coaches. The track gauge is correct for HO scale, but OO people run on narrow gauge track :-) I have a set for dale at some point! -- Paul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

	#3
estarriol	Re: Lima OO scale "Paul Boyd" <usenet@abcd.invalid> wrote in message news:4698d23f$0$24749$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk... > On 14/07/2007 13:00, Mike Brayshaw said, >> Can anyone kindly advise: >> I have acquired some Lima rolling stock, supposedly all OO gauge, but >> some are distinctly smaller than others – for instance mark 2 (I think it >> is) Inter-City carriages some 264 mm long and some 232 mm long (and >> corresponding width & height). Track gauge is the same. >> How come different scales? > > Lima made some MkII stock to HO scale, as well as to OO. There was also a > Class 33 to HO scale, as well as some Pullman coaches. The track gauge is > correct for HO scale, but OO people run on narrow gauge track :-) > > I have a set for dale at some point! > They also did a 4f in HO with coachs, but I can't remember what the coachs were based on.

	#4
Wolf	Re: Lima OO scale Mike Brayshaw wrote: > Can anyone kindly advise: > I have acquired some Lima rolling stock, supposedly all OO gauge, but some > are distinctly smaller than others – for instance mark 2 (I think it is) > Inter-City carriages some 264 mm long and some 232 mm long (and > corresponding width & height). Track gauge is the same. > How come different scales? > Thanks > > Care to sell the smaller ones? (They're HO scale, correct for 16.5mm gauge.) -- Wolf 'Just because it's true doesn't mean it's the right answer.'

	#5
Ian J.	Re: Lima OO scale "Paul Boyd" <usenet@abcd.invalid> wrote in message news:4698d23f$0$24749$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk... > On 14/07/2007 13:00, Mike Brayshaw said, >> Can anyone kindly advise: >> I have acquired some Lima rolling stock, supposedly all OO gauge, but >> some are distinctly smaller than others – for instance mark 2 (I think it >> is) Inter-City carriages some 264 mm long and some 232 mm long (and >> corresponding width & height). Track gauge is the same. >> How come different scales? > > Lima made some MkII stock to HO scale, as well as to OO. There was also a > Class 33 to HO scale, as well as some Pullman coaches. The track gauge is > correct for HO scale, but OO people run on narrow gauge track :-) > > I have a set for dale at some point! > > -- > Paul Boyd > http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ I'm sure dale will be very happy about that ;-) Ian J.

	#6
Kevin Martin	Re: Lima OO scale Wolf wrote: > > Care to sell the smaller ones? (They're HO scale, correct for 16.5mm > gauge.) > Don't bother, they are dreadful. These coaches might be to 3.5mm height & length, but are to 4mm scale width. Thus making them squat. Based very loosely on BR Mk1's. Kevin Martin -- To Reply, delete what is "Not Required" in abbreviated form

	#7
Paul Boyd	Re: Lima OO scale On 14/07/2007 15:06, Ian J. said, > I'm sure dale will be very happy about that ;-) Whoops :-) -- Paul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

	#8
FRANCIS TUCKLEY	Re: Lima OO scale Hi Lima originally made HO models which also ran on 00 track. Later on they released a 00 British range and discontinued their H0 British models. Dave "Mike Brayshaw" <mikebrayshaw1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:eV2mi.19761$_l6.10790@newsfe6-win.ntli.net... > Can anyone kindly advise: > I have acquired some Lima rolling stock, supposedly all OO gauge, but some > are distinctly smaller than others - for instance mark 2 (I think it is) > Inter-City carriages some 264 mm long and some 232 mm long (and > corresponding width & height). Track gauge is the same. > How come different scales? > Thanks >

	#9
MartinS	Re: Lima OO scale "FRANCIS TUCKLEY" <david_tuckley@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Hi > Lima originally made HO models which also ran on 00 track. Later on > they released a 00 British range and discontinued their H0 British > models. No, it's 00 models that run on H0 track! -- Martin S.

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Greg Procter	Re: Lima OO scale Paul Boyd wrote: > > On 14/07/2007 13:00, Mike Brayshaw said, > > Can anyone kindly advise: > > I have acquired some Lima rolling stock, supposedly all OO gauge, but some > > are distinctly smaller than others – for instance mark 2 (I think it is) > > Inter-City carriages some 264 mm long and some 232 mm long (and > > corresponding width & height). Track gauge is the same. > > How come different scales? > > Lima made some MkII stock to HO scale, as well as to OO. There was also > a Class 33 to HO scale, as well as some Pullman coaches. The track > gauge is correct for HO scale, but OO people run on narrow gauge track :-) > > I have a set for dale at some point! > > -- > Paul Boyd > http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ I model British HO! I need more Mk IIs. There were 3 different Mk Is in a variety colours. I think 4 different Mk IIs in blue/grey. Pullmans were freelance European in BR brown/grey. 2 brake vans LMS + GWR HSO Box van. BR 33 green and blue. 4F Assorted European wagons, locos in BR markings. Regards, Greg.P. NZ

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Greg Procter	Re: Lima OO scale estarriol wrote: > > "Paul Boyd" <usenet@abcd.invalid> wrote in message > news:4698d23f$0$24749$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk... > > On 14/07/2007 13:00, Mike Brayshaw said, > >> Can anyone kindly advise: > >> I have acquired some Lima rolling stock, supposedly all OO gauge, but > >> some are distinctly smaller than others – for instance mark 2 (I think it > >> is) Inter-City carriages some 264 mm long and some 232 mm long (and > >> corresponding width & height). Track gauge is the same. > >> How come different scales? > > > > Lima made some MkII stock to HO scale, as well as to OO. There was also a > > Class 33 to HO scale, as well as some Pullman coaches. The track gauge is > > correct for HO scale, but OO people run on narrow gauge track :-) > > > > I have a set for dale at some point! > > > They also did a 4f in HO with coachs, but I can't remember what the coachs > were based on. Opps, forgot freelance coach in GWR livery for toy train sets.

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Greg Procter	Re: Lima OO scale MartinS wrote: > > "FRANCIS TUCKLEY" <david_tuckley@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hi > > Lima originally made HO models which also ran on 00 track. Later on > > they released a 00 British range and discontinued their H0 British > > models. > > No, it's 00 models that run on H0 track! Not if you're modelling 4' 1 1/2" gauge! ;-) Greg.P.

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Kevin Martin	Re: Lima OO scale Greg Procter wrote: >> No, it's 00 models that run on H0 track! > > Not if you're modelling 4' 1 1/2" gauge! > ;-) > Perfect for modelling the Glasgow Underground Kevin Martin -- To Reply, delete what is "Not Required" in abbreviated form

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Greg Procter	Re: Lima OO scale Kevin Martin wrote: > > Greg Procter wrote: > > >> No, it's 00 models that run on H0 track! > > > > Not if you're modelling 4' 1 1/2" gauge! > > ;-) > > > Perfect for modelling the Glasgow Underground Did they operate a lot of LMS 4Fs and BR33s??? Greg.P.

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Jim Guthrie	Re: Lima OO scale On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 23:11:38 +1000, Kevin Martin <kevinrailway@notreqdoptusnet.com.au> wrote: >The Glasgow Underground used to have only island platforms on a double >track oval with no points and handed trains, for those that didn't know. And it actually used crane shunting, in that it had a vertical lift in the tracks to lift stock to the ground level maintenance depot, and, of course, drop them back down again to get back into service. The simplicity of the circuit derived from the original system which was rope hauled, with a huge continuous loop of rope for each track which was kept in constant motion by a winding station. The carriages started and stopped by clamping or releasing the rope. I think I remember that the ropes were the longest continuous pieces of rope in the world at the time. The preservatives used on the ropes also gave "The Subway" a distinctive aroma which lasted from the time of its electrification in 1935 up to the modernisation in the 70s. I've been away from Glasgow since 1980 so maybe some present inhabitants might be able to say if the aroma has outlasted the modernisation :-) Jim.

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Paul Boyd	Re: Lima OO scale On 15/07/2007 17:07, Jim Guthrie said, > And it actually used crane shunting, in that it had a vertical lift > in the tracks to lift stock to the ground level maintenance depot, > and, of course, drop them back down again to get back into service. I guess that must have been discontinued years ago. I worked on it about 20 years ago, and I'm sure there were turnouts to the maintenance depot. Nasty, horrible job. Working on live TETS wires in the damp trying to get used to being electrocuted. Lovely! -- Paul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

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MartinS	Re: Lima OO scale Paul Boyd <usenet@abcd.invalid> wrote: > On 15/07/2007 17:07, Jim Guthrie said, > >> And it actually used crane shunting, in that it had a vertical lift >> in the tracks to lift stock to the ground level maintenance depot, >> and, of course, drop them back down again to get back into service. > > I guess that must have been discontinued years ago. I worked on it > about 20 years ago, and I'm sure there were turnouts to the maintenance > depot. > > Nasty, horrible job. Working on live TETS wires in the damp trying to > get used to being electrocuted. Lovely! They do have ground-level maintenance and storage yards now. You can drive the "Clockwork Orange" with the BVE train simulator. Tunnel diameter is only 10ft - 2 ft smaller than London's deep tubes. Recorded anouncements say "Mind the dooors" in a Scots accent. -- Martin S.

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Mike Brayshaw	Re: Lima OO scale My investigations reveal two separate types - I have both: the ones Kevin's referring to are indeed squat and curiously continental style. But the HO models are exactly the same as the OO, just smaller. I'll send Kevin a picture. "Kevin Martin" wrote > Wolf wrote: > >> >> Care to sell the smaller ones? (They're HO scale, correct for 16.5mm >> gauge.) >> > Don't bother, they are dreadful. These coaches might be to 3.5mm height & > length, but are to 4mm scale width. Thus making them squat. > Based very loosely on BR Mk1's. > > Kevin Martin > > --

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Mike Brayshaw	Re: Lima OO scale Well, fascinating where my query has taken us! Thanks to everyone.

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Mike Brayshaw	Re: Lima OO scale Wolf wrote: > Care to sell the smaller ones? (They're HO scale, correct for 16.5mm > gauge.) - Yes, contact me: mikebrayshaw@ntlworld.com. My email to you at ElLoboViejo@ruddy.moss bounces. Kevn Martin's comment relates to yet another style (of which I have examples) "Wolf" <ElLoboViejo@ruddy.moss> wrote in message news:4698d6c2$0$13436$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.co m... > Mike Brayshaw wrote: >> Can anyone kindly advise: >> I have acquired some Lima rolling stock, supposedly all OO gauge, but >> some are distinctly smaller than others – for instance mark 2 (I think it >> is) Inter-City carriages some 264 mm long and some 232 mm long (and >> corresponding width & height). Track gauge is the same. >> How come different scales? >> Thanks > > > Care to sell the smaller ones? (They're HO scale, correct for 16.5mm > gauge.) > > -- > Wolf > 'Just because it's true doesn't mean it's the right answer.'

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Mike Brayshaw	Re: Lima OO scale Wolf & Kevin Martin please see emails dated today but inserted in the list above. Please both email me. "Mike Brayshaw" <mikebrayshaw1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:XyDmi.38477$_14.9011@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net... > Well, fascinating where my query has taken us! > > Thanks to everyone. >

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Mike Brayshaw	Wolf - Please contact me Replies to email address given in post below are bouncing. > Care to sell the smaller ones? (They're HO scale, correct for 16.5mm > gauge.) - Yes! And Kevin Martin is wrong - he's confusing it with yet another scale. mikebrayshaw[at]ntlworld.com "Wolf" <ElLoboViejo@ruddy.moss> wrote in message news:4698d6c2$0$13436$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.co m... > Mike Brayshaw wrote: >> Can anyone kindly advise: >> I have acquired some Lima rolling stock, supposedly all OO gauge, but >> some are distinctly smaller than others – for instance mark 2 (I think it >> is) Inter-City carriages some 264 mm long and some 232 mm long (and >> corresponding width & height). Track gauge is the same. >> How come different scales? >> Thanks > > > Care to sell the smaller ones? (They're HO scale, correct for 16.5mm > gauge.) > > -- > Wolf > 'Just because it's true doesn't mean it's the right answer.'

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Jon Biglowe	Re: Lima OO scale I have a website for Lima British HO it is: www.limabritishho.co.uk Jon

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John Turner	Re: Lima OO scale "Jon Biglowe" wrote >I have a website for Lima British HO it is: > > www.limabritishho.co.uk And very welcome you are to it Jon! ;-) John.

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Kevin Martin	Re: Lima OO scale John Turner wrote: > "Jon Biglowe" wrote > > > And very welcome you are to it Jon! ;-) > > John. > Yes I have to agree, a collection best forgotten. Another range of non British HO. In other words they aren't proper HO at all, no wonder it was doomed. Kevin Martin -- To Reply, delete what is "Not Required" in abbreviated form

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kim	Re: Lima OO scale "Kevin Martin" <kevinrailway@notreqdoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:469f7577$0$6925$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ... > John Turner wrote: >> "Jon Biglowe" wrote >> > >> >> And very welcome you are to it Jon! ;-) >> >> John. > > Yes I have to agree, a collection best forgotten. Another range of non > British HO. In other words they aren't proper HO at all, no wonder it was > doomed. The website is still a useful resource for those who are interested. (kim)

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Paul Boyd	Re: Lima OO scale kim said the following on 19/07/2007 15:49: > The website is still a useful resource for those who are interested. ....and for those who have some as part of a collection to sell to some unsuspecting punter, sorry - valued customer, on eBay ;-) -- Paul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

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Greg Procter	Re: Lima OO scale kim wrote: > > "Kevin Martin" <kevinrailway@notreqdoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message > news:469f7577$0$6925$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ... > > John Turner wrote: > >> "Jon Biglowe" wrote > >> > > > >> > >> And very welcome you are to it Jon! ;-) > >> > >> John. > > > > Yes I have to agree, a collection best forgotten. Another range of non > > British HO. In other words they aren't proper HO at all, no wonder it was > > doomed. > > The website is still a useful resource for those who are interested. > > (kim) We don't expect proper scale models of British trains in any scale other than 1:1. Regards, Greg.P.

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John Turner	Re: Lima OO scale "kim" wrote > The website is still a useful resource for those who are interested. My comment wasn't really aimed at the website, but at British HO. John.

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Graham Thurlwell	Re: Lima OO scale On the 16 Jul 2007, MartinS <me@my.place> wrote: <snip> [Glasgow Underground] > Recorded anouncements say "Mind the dooors" in a Scots accent. Last time I was on the Tyne & Wear Metro, I noticed that they'd changed the voice saying "Stand clear of the doors please" from a Geordie bloke to a woman with a fairly posh accent of indeterminate origin. It's PCGM!!! ;-) -- Jades' First Encounters Site - http://www.jades.org/ffe.htm The best Frontier: First Encounters site on the Web. nospam@jades.org /is/ a real email address!