Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder?

I've just become the proud owner of a Clarkson T&C grinder but I've no
idea what it can do, what attachments I should be looking for or how to
use it. Any help available?

Dave

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:54:23 +0100, NoSpam <nomail@hursley.ibm.com>
wrote:

>I've just become the proud owner of a Clarkson T&C grinder but I've no
>idea what it can do, what attachments I should be looking for or how to
>use it. Any help available?
>
>Dave

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tool-and-Cutte...mZ160141514204

John Stevenson wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:54:23 +0100, NoSpam <nomail@hursley.ibm.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I've just become the proud owner of a Clarkson T&C grinder but I've no
>> idea what it can do, what attachments I should be looking for or how to
>> use it. Any help available?
>>
>> Dave
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tool-and-Cutte...mZ160141514204

Thanks John, I've just contributed £7.50 to your "find the floor" fund ;-)

The one I've bought has the standard brackets with parallel centres but
nothing else - however I've had the Darex M3 parts lying around for a
while so maybe I can adapt them - anybody else done this?

Dave

Dave,
I also have a Clarkson Mk1 and can recommend John's CD.
With only the two centres, you are limited and need something which
will do lathe tools as well. Again, you should be looking for a
magnetic table- cos they add immeasurably to the versatility.
Right! The Clarkson 'goodies' are expensive but the CD will show you
what was/is available and can be replicated. The Toolholder for lathe
tools can be damned near anything. I made my first out best B&Q 2"X2"
and bolts and wing nuts from 'Wilkinsons' The two recommended
abrasive discs are standard items at Cromwell Tools. You do need the
extension nut and I would make it a first job and left hand
threading!!!! I haven't got round to Darex but any holder which is
capable of being tilted with work. I have seen Stent, Quorn and Kennet
stuff working on the table. John's CD has Boxford stuff included and
again, reference to Boxford goodies may be clearer than the Clarkson
instructions included. My experience!

In a fairly recent MEW, there is a reference to graduating the
Clarkson. Worth a look! One of my mates graduated his table to improve
things.

Sorry, it is becoming a history lesson and not really intended but i
would suggest that you join the YahooGroups Quorn-Owners group for
added interst and there are still bits left which you might find
useful. Somewhere, is the reference to 4 facet drill grinding to add.

Hopefully, this will keep you busy to the weekend!

Cheers

Norm

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:54:23 +0100, NoSpam <nomail@hursley.ibm.com> wrote:

>I've just become the proud owner of a Clarkson T&C grinder but I've no
>idea what it can do, what attachments I should be looking for or how to
>use it. Any help available?
>
>Dave

Pictures of our unit at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Ward/Clark1.htm

March Engineering handbooks were on ebay up to a week or so ago, I haven't done
any Clarkson searches recently but they should still be there.

Also recommend that CD of John S's

We have the drill/reamer sharpening attachment on ours, and have picked up some
odds and sods in the way of fittings/tooling since we acquired it, but the
fittings tend to be expensive on ebay, despite most of the older machines being
scrapped.

Peter
--
Peter & Rita Forbes
Email: diesel@easynet.co.uk
Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

On Aug 1, 8:09 am, Peter A Forbes <die...@easynet.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:54:23 +0100, NoSpam <nom...@hursley.ibm.com> wrote:
> >I've just become the proud owner of a Clarkson T&C grinder but I've no
> >idea what it can do, what attachments I should be looking for or how to
> >use it. Any help available?
>
> >Dave
>
> Pictures of our unit at:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Ward/Clark1.htm
>
> March Engineering handbooks were on ebay up to a week or so ago, I haven't done
> any Clarkson searches recently but they should still be there.
>
> Also recommend that CD of John S's
>
> We have the drill/reamer sharpening attachment on ours, and have picked up some
> odds and sods in the way of fittings/tooling since we acquired it, but the
> fittings tend to be expensive on ebay, despite most of the older machines being
> scrapped.
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter & Rita Forbes
> Email: die...@easynet.co.uk
> Web:http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

Dave,
I deliberately left out comment of what accessories that I
have for my Clarkson but I have a 'full set' minus a few bits from the
radius turning attachment- although it works. In addirion, I have a
full set from my homemade Quorn and Kennet. But!!!!
Since the days of all the aforementioned, things have moved on to a
point where carbide is commonplace hence the demise of many
horrendously expensive tools.
I suggested Quorn_Owners because some of the additional fittings for
air spindles is on file and whilst I haven't got round to it,
unquestionably this can be readily adapted from the Quorn- which is a
thing for home constructors. Again, the Clarkson changed to two speed-
and for good reason but we need a low, low speed to hone carbide
tooling with diamond pastes which are now readily available.
Again, John did a thing- call it a mock up- using collets and a 3 way
'vice' and cheap DE grinder- which would have proved successful. I did
it with the latter 2 items earlier.

Tool and cutter grinding for amateur workers has moved on beyond the
orthodox ;manuals. My comments were designed to open up the subject-
and suggest moving on to what is now possible in the home
environment.

In the past few hours, I have a copy of July's MEW with improvements-
thank God- on the Worden. Another Round to It!

Norm

ravensworth2674 wrote:
> Dave,
> I also have a Clarkson Mk1 and can recommend John's CD.
> With only the two centres, you are limited and need something which
> will do lathe tools as well. Again, you should be looking for a
> magnetic table- cos they add immeasurably to the versatility.
> Right! The Clarkson 'goodies' are expensive but the CD will show you
> what was/is available and can be replicated. The Toolholder for lathe
> tools can be damned near anything. I made my first out best B&Q 2"X2"
> and bolts and wing nuts from 'Wilkinsons' The two recommended
> abrasive discs are standard items at Cromwell Tools. You do need the
> extension nut and I would make it a first job and left hand
> threading!!!! I haven't got round to Darex but any holder which is
> capable of being tilted with work. I have seen Stent, Quorn and Kennet
> stuff working on the table. John's CD has Boxford stuff included and
> again, reference to Boxford goodies may be clearer than the Clarkson
> instructions included. My experience!
>
> In a fairly recent MEW, there is a reference to graduating the
> Clarkson. Worth a look! One of my mates graduated his table to improve
> things.
>
> Sorry, it is becoming a history lesson and not really intended but i
> would suggest that you join the YahooGroups Quorn-Owners group for
> added interst and there are still bits left which you might find
> useful. Somewhere, is the reference to 4 facet drill grinding to add.
>
> Hopefully, this will keep you busy to the weekend!
>
> Cheers
>
> Norm
>

Thanks Norm. Have you kept yours on its pedestal? I'm wondering whether
it would make sense to mount it on a wheeled trolley so it can be
trundled out of the way when not needed - or even on a (strong) shelf.

I'm pleased you didn't say which weekend it would keep me busy to -
there are so many other jobs on the list that this will have to wait for
a while before the right tuit arrives.

Dave

Peter A Forbes wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:54:23 +0100, NoSpam <nomail@hursley.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>> I've just become the proud owner of a Clarkson T&C grinder but I've no
>> idea what it can do, what attachments I should be looking for or how to
>> use it. Any help available?
>>
>> Dave
>
> Pictures of our unit at:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Ward/Clark1.htm
>
> March Engineering handbooks were on ebay up to a week or so ago, I haven't done
> any Clarkson searches recently but they should still be there.
>
> Also recommend that CD of John S's
>
> We have the drill/reamer sharpening attachment on ours, and have picked up some
> odds and sods in the way of fittings/tooling since we acquired it, but the
> fittings tend to be expensive on ebay, despite most of the older machines being
> scrapped.
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter & Rita Forbes
> Email: diesel@easynet.co.uk
> Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

Is everything on John's CD (already ordered) or do I need the handbook
as well?

Dave

ravensworth2674 wrote:
> Dave,
> I deliberately left out comment of what accessories that I
> have for my Clarkson but I have a 'full set' minus a few bits from the
> radius turning attachment- although it works. In addirion, I have a
> full set from my homemade Quorn and Kennet. But!!!!
> Since the days of all the aforementioned, things have moved on to a
> point where carbide is commonplace hence the demise of many
> horrendously expensive tools.
> I suggested Quorn_Owners because some of the additional fittings for
> air spindles is on file and whilst I haven't got round to it,
> unquestionably this can be readily adapted from the Quorn- which is a
> thing for home constructors. Again, the Clarkson changed to two speed-
> and for good reason but we need a low, low speed to hone carbide
> tooling with diamond pastes which are now readily available.
> Again, John did a thing- call it a mock up- using collets and a 3 way
> 'vice' and cheap DE grinder- which would have proved successful. I did
> it with the latter 2 items earlier.
>
> Tool and cutter grinding for amateur workers has moved on beyond the
> orthodox ;manuals. My comments were designed to open up the subject-
> and suggest moving on to what is now possible in the home
> environment.
>
> In the past few hours, I have a copy of July's MEW with improvements-
> thank God- on the Worden. Another Round to It!
>
> Norm
>

Now I'm going to really expose my ignorance - what would an air spindle
be used for?

Dave

"NoSpam" <nomail@hursley.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:5hb4qkF3hr908U3@mid.individual.net...
> ravensworth2674 wrote:
> > Dave,
> > I deliberately left out comment of what accessories that
I
> > have for my Clarkson but I have a 'full set' minus a few bits from
the
> > radius turning attachment- although it works. In addirion, I have
a
> > full set from my homemade Quorn and Kennet. But!!!!
> > Since the days of all the aforementioned, things have moved on to
a
> > point where carbide is commonplace hence the demise of many
> > horrendously expensive tools.
> > I suggested Quorn_Owners because some of the additional fittings
for
> > air spindles is on file and whilst I haven't got round to it,
> > unquestionably this can be readily adapted from the Quorn- which
is a
> > thing for home constructors. Again, the Clarkson changed to two
speed-
> > and for good reason but we need a low, low speed to hone carbide
> > tooling with diamond pastes which are now readily available.
> > Again, John did a thing- call it a mock up- using collets and a 3
way
> > 'vice' and cheap DE grinder- which would have proved successful. I
did
> > it with the latter 2 items earlier.
> >
> > Tool and cutter grinding for amateur workers has moved on beyond
the
> > orthodox ;manuals. My comments were designed to open up the
subject-
> > and suggest moving on to what is now possible in the home
> > environment.
> >
> > In the past few hours, I have a copy of July's MEW with
improvements-
> > thank God- on the Worden. Another Round to It!
> >
> > Norm
> >
>
> Now I'm going to really expose my ignorance - what would an air
spindle
> be used for?
>
> Dave

Grinding the flutes of reamers, slot drills and endmills. The silky
smooth travel allows the object being ground to follow the toothrest
without jerks.

(If anyone has any Clarkson air spindle collets please get in touch as
I only have one with my spindle!)

AWEM

On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:16:29 +0100, NoSpam <nomail@hursley.ibm.com> wrote:

>Is everything on John's CD (already ordered) or do I need the handbook
>as well?
>
>Dave

The March handbook is the official book for the machine and is not on John's CD
(or at least, I haven't seen it there!)

The book is a useful reference for the machine, but not on how to use it IMO

Peter
--
Peter & Rita Forbes
Email: diesel@easynet.co.uk
Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

Dave,
Do accept the quips!
First, mine is minus the pedestal because I couldn't lift the bloody
thing in and out of the car. Mine fits nicely on a worktop and is so
solid that I haven't bothered to bolt it down. Put it on wheels- if
you must( funny fellow, this)
Frankly, I think that you would be OK with John's CD and I would be
heading for Quorn_owners 3 sites which will explain all sorts of
things but will do the Deckel and the Quorn handbook- not the words
and music one but enough in operating instructions to should set ups
which you can modify for your machine.

I have no idea of what else is on the March book but might I continue
to teach you to suck eggs- sorry, mate! So here goes.
Since the Mk1 there has been a change to double pulleys which adds to
versatility. however, with the increase in carbide tooling, diamond
wheels are fairly cheap and available. Again, diamond lapping with
paste was unheard of in home workshops until fairly recently but you
will require a very slow speed. The Clarkson is perfectly capable of
coping with the new demands. It does mean that you will have to make
your own laps- but that is part of the challenge.

I did mention tool interchangeability and it gets a bit exciting with
a Quorn head- with collets, on a Stent tilting bracket with a set of
depth stops to do very fancy stuff. Only last night I had a mate
phoning about making new depth stops on a baby Clarkson- the Stent.

So I did try to open the matter more fully in the hope that you will
get more and more benefit. It is only a beginning- you have a nice
machine!

Cheers

Norm

On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:51:21 +0100, Peter A Forbes <diesel@easynet.co.uk> wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:16:29 +0100, NoSpam <nomail@hursley.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Is everything on John's CD (already ordered) or do I need the handbook
>>as well?
>>
>>Dave
>
>The March handbook is the official book for the machine and is not on John's CD
>(or at least, I haven't seen it there!)
>
>The book is a useful reference for the machine, but not on how to use it IMO
>
>Peter

Had a quick scan through my own book, what is probably most useful is the list
of available tooling, and there 'are' sections on how to sharpen tools etc.

My book also came with another 6-page brochure inside called "Tool & Cutter
Care" also by March engineering.

Price for a Mk1 T&C cutter grinder (in 2001) was £364.50 plus VAT
Price for the drill/reamer jig was £1344.00 plus VAT
Price for the Air Bearing Flute Grinding Attachment was £1190.00 plus VAT

Peter
--
Peter & Rita Forbes
Email: diesel@easynet.co.uk
Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

In article <sap0b3hic9egok9uaq5qigik83fq1p15vb@4ax.com>, Peter A Forbes
<diesel@easynet.co.uk> writes
>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:16:29 +0100, NoSpam <nomail@hursley.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Is everything on John's CD (already ordered) or do I need the handbook
>>as well?
>>
>>Dave
>
>The March handbook is the official book for the machine and is not on John's CD
>(or at least, I haven't seen it there!)
>
>The book is a useful reference for the machine, but not on how to use it IMO
>
Well, it's sort of half useful - and, IMO, somewhat in the opposite
direction to what Peter said. It has a list of all the accessories
(standard and optional extras) and instructions on how to sharpen the
common types of cutters - but it is rather lacking in basic instructions
on how to use the machine itself.

Most of these things can be found by inspection and trial and error. I
know I had this experience when I acquired a March Mk2 a couple of
months ago (that is the same as the Clarkson, just rebadged).

David
--
David Littlewood

Dave,
At no time do I want to criticise or amend other valued
comments.
Presently, you are stuck- well, not quite, with having no lathe tool
holder.
It is the classic thing of 'wanting to see the wheels turn' with
simple lathe/shaper tool grinding. From this, if you have the right
wheels, you should be able to see your reflected finger nail in the
finished tool Weeeeeeeeee! Take all the lads out for a pint.

I have nicked a set of drawings for a basic tool holder which will do
this.
OK, whilst you may not have the metal- yet- you can buy a few bits of
B&Q best and use a chopsaw to do the angles. I shall be away for a
longish weekend but I have some will scanning to do for another
chap. If I can get the bloody scanner to work, will do this for you.
So E-Mail me- and face East to await the next miracle.

ravensworth2674 wrote:
> Dave,
> At no time do I want to criticise or amend other valued
> comments.
> Presently, you are stuck- well, not quite, with having no lathe tool
> holder.
> It is the classic thing of 'wanting to see the wheels turn' with
> simple lathe/shaper tool grinding. From this, if you have the right
> wheels, you should be able to see your reflected finger nail in the
> finished tool Weeeeeeeeee! Take all the lads out for a pint.
>
> I have nicked a set of drawings for a basic tool holder which will do
> this.
> OK, whilst you may not have the metal- yet- you can buy a few bits of
> B&Q best and use a chopsaw to do the angles. I shall be away for a
> longish weekend but I have some will scanning to do for another
> chap. If I can get the bloody scanner to work, will do this for you.
> So E-Mail me- and face East to await the next miracle.
>

Thanks Norm, I'll watch the sunrise for the next few days.

D

In article <5h9p5lF3k8ljiU1@mid.individual.net>, NoSpam
<nomail@hursley.ibm.com> writes
>I've just become the proud owner of a Clarkson T&C grinder but I've no
>idea what it can do, what attachments I should be looking for or how to
>use it. Any help available?
>
>Dave

Dave,

For sharpening lathe tools, a 3-way vice is the best option, for
example:

http://www.chronos.ltd.uk/acatalog/C...Swivel_Tilt_Mi
lling_Vice_106.html

or:

http://www.chronos.ltd.uk/acatalog/C...sal_Vice_107.h
tml

I got one of the latter for my Mk2 T&C grinder, the quality is
excellent. The 2" version should be plenty large enough. If you want to
sharpen round tools, a simple holder from a piece of square steel bored
out to fit is simple to make (and essential). Do take very light cuts -
2 thou is a very heavy cut on a grinder, and the tools get very hot.

For sharpening the ends of milling cutters, a universal head is used.
You could get by quite well with a universal vice (as above) with a
rotating holder (square block of steel, bored to take a cylindrical
holder with some collets).

The tooth rest, used to align each tooth in turn for presentation to the
wheel, is easily fabricated.

A pair of centres for holding milling cutters to present the side flutes
can be found if you look around, or fabricated if you prefer.

When you look at the instruction books etc. you will see other bits and
pieces, most of which can be made.

The drill sharpener is very rare, but I reckon a suitable set-up could
be arranged using the above bits; I am still working on this.

For TC tools you will need a green grit wheel or (I suspect better) a
diamond cup wheel. Eternal Tools sell very good ones, recently reviewed
in MEW.

BTW, I assume you have a cup wheel, they are all but essential for many
of the tasks.

Finally, on my Mk 2 the wheel arbour has a LH thread; I nearly broke my
wrist trying to get it off until AWEM kindly pointed out this (obvious
in retrospect) fact to me!

The recent book by Harold Hall in the Workshop Practice series on Tool
and Cutter sharpening would be a good place to start; Amazon or Camden
Miniature Steam Services should have it.

Hope this helps; do get back with more specific questions. I am also on
the learning curve, just a few weeks further along it. If the CD does
not give you the handbooks, get back to me as I have copies of the
Clarkson and March ones.

David
--
David Littlewood

David Littlewood wrote:
> Dave,
>
> For sharpening lathe tools, a 3-way vice is the best option, for example:

.... snipped

I've already exposed my ignorance so a little more exposure can't do any
more damage ;-)
For regular lathe tools, what's the advantage of using this grinder over
a regular bench grinder, and what's the advantage of using a relatively
expensive vice over making a simple jig?

>
> For sharpening the ends of milling cutters, a universal head is used.
> You could get by quite well with a universal vice (as above) with a
> rotating holder (square block of steel, bored to take a cylindrical
> holder with some collets).
>
> The tooth rest, used to align each tooth in turn for presentation to the
> wheel, is easily fabricated.
I've had the parts of a Darex M3 for quite w while - I'll see if I can
adapt them

>
> A pair of centres for holding milling cutters to present the side flutes
> can be found if you look around, or fabricated if you prefer.

Fortunately the centres were with it.

> The drill sharpener is very rare, but I reckon a suitable set-up could
> be arranged using the above bits; I am still working on this.

I should be able to use the Darex M3 bits

>
> For TC tools you will need a green grit wheel or (I suspect better) a
> diamond cup wheel. Eternal Tools sell very good ones, recently reviewed
> in MEW.

Can diamond be used for both HSS and TC?

>
> BTW, I assume you have a cup wheel, they are all but essential for many
> of the tasks.

No, I've never used a cup wheel - what are the advantages (more exposure
:-( )

> The recent book by Harold Hall in the Workshop Practice series on Tool
> and Cutter sharpening would be a good place to start; Amazon or Camden
> Miniature Steam Services should have it.

I didn't know about it but I'll investigate.
>
> Hope this helps; do get back with more specific questions. I am also on
> the learning curve, just a few weeks further along it. If the CD does
> not give you the handbooks, get back to me as I have copies of the
> Clarkson and March ones.
>
> David

That's useful info, and a very kind offer David. I'm told that John's CD
doesn't have the handbooks so I'll send you an email.

Dave

NoSpam wrote:
> David Littlewood wrote:
>> Dave,
>>
>> For sharpening lathe tools, a 3-way vice is the best option, for example:
>
> ... snipped
>
> I've already exposed my ignorance so a little more exposure can't do any
> more damage ;-)
> For regular lathe tools, what's the advantage of using this grinder over
> a regular bench grinder, and what's the advantage of using a relatively
> expensive vice over making a simple jig?
>
>>
>> For sharpening the ends of milling cutters, a universal head is used.
>> You could get by quite well with a universal vice (as above) with a
>> rotating holder (square block of steel, bored to take a cylindrical
>> holder with some collets).
>>
>> The tooth rest, used to align each tooth in turn for presentation to
>> the wheel, is easily fabricated.
> I've had the parts of a Darex M3 for quite w while - I'll see if I can
> adapt them
>
>>
>> A pair of centres for holding milling cutters to present the side
>> flutes can be found if you look around, or fabricated if you prefer.
>
> Fortunately the centres were with it.
>
>> The drill sharpener is very rare, but I reckon a suitable set-up could
>> be arranged using the above bits; I am still working on this.
>
> I should be able to use the Darex M3 bits
>
>>
>> For TC tools you will need a green grit wheel or (I suspect better) a
>> diamond cup wheel. Eternal Tools sell very good ones, recently
>> reviewed in MEW.
>
> Can diamond be used for both HSS and TC?
>
>>
>> BTW, I assume you have a cup wheel, they are all but essential for
>> many of the tasks.
>
> No, I've never used a cup wheel - what are the advantages (more exposure
> :-( )
>
>> The recent book by Harold Hall in the Workshop Practice series on Tool
>> and Cutter sharpening would be a good place to start; Amazon or Camden
>> Miniature Steam Services should have it.
>
> I didn't know about it but I'll investigate.
>>
>> Hope this helps; do get back with more specific questions. I am also
>> on the learning curve, just a few weeks further along it. If the CD
>> does not give you the handbooks, get back to me as I have copies of
>> the Clarkson and March ones.
>>
>> David
>
> That's useful info, and a very kind offer David. I'm told that John's CD
> doesn't have the handbooks so I'll send you an email.
>
> Dave

David, the email bounced - can you suggest what to put in place of nospam?

On Aug 1, 10:14 pm, NoSpam <nom...@hursley.ibm.com> wrote:
> NoSpam wrote:
> > David Littlewood wrote:
> >> Dave,
>
> >> For sharpening lathe tools, a 3-way vice is the best option, for example:
>
> > ... snipped
>
> > I've already exposed my ignorance so a little more exposure can't do any
> > more damage ;-)
> > For regular lathe tools, what's the advantage of using this grinder over
> > a regular bench grinder, and what's the advantage of using a relatively
> > expensive vice over making a simple jig?
>
> >> For sharpening the ends of milling cutters, a universal head is used.
> >> You could get by quite well with a universal vice (as above) with a
> >> rotating holder (square block of steel, bored to take a cylindrical
> >> holder with some collets).
>
> >> The tooth rest, used to align each tooth in turn for presentation to
> >> the wheel, is easily fabricated.
> > I've had the parts of a Darex M3 for quite w while - I'll see if I can
> > adapt them
>
> >> A pair of centres for holding milling cutters to present the side
> >> flutes can be found if you look around, or fabricated if you prefer.
>
> > Fortunately the centres were with it.
>
> >> The drill sharpener is very rare, but I reckon a suitable set-up could
> >> be arranged using the above bits; I am still working on this.
>
> > I should be able to use the Darex M3 bits
>
> >> For TC tools you will need a green grit wheel or (I suspect better) a
> >> diamond cup wheel. Eternal Tools sell very good ones, recently
> >> reviewed in MEW.
>
> > Can diamond be used for both HSS and TC?
>
> >> BTW, I assume you have a cup wheel, they are all but essential for
> >> many of the tasks.
>
> > No, I've never used a cup wheel - what are the advantages (more exposure
> > :-( )
>
> >> The recent book by Harold Hall in the Workshop Practice series on Tool
> >> and Cutter sharpening would be a good place to start; Amazon or Camden
> >> Miniature Steam Services should have it.
>
> > I didn't know about it but I'll investigate.
>
> >> Hope this helps; do get back with more specific questions. I am also
> >> on the learning curve, just a few weeks further along it. If the CD
> >> does not give you the handbooks, get back to me as I have copies of
> >> the Clarkson and March ones.
>
> >> David
>
> > That's useful info, and a very kind offer David. I'm told that John's CD
> > doesn't have the handbooks so I'll send you an email.
>
> > Dave
>
> David, the email bounced - can you suggest what to put in place of nospam?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Both Davids???

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Can you correct please?

N

On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:18:10 +0100, David Littlewood
<david@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <5h9p5lF3k8ljiU1@mid.individual.net>, NoSpam
><nomail@hursley.ibm.com> writes
>>I've just become the proud owner of a Clarkson T&C grinder but I've no
>>idea what it can do, what attachments I should be looking for or how to
>>use it. Any help available?
>>
>>Dave
>
>Dave,
>
>For sharpening lathe tools, a 3-way vice is the best option, for
>example:
>
>http://www.chronos.ltd.uk/acatalog/C...Swivel_Tilt_Mi
>lling_Vice_106.html
>
>or:
>
>http://www.chronos.ltd.uk/acatalog/C...sal_Vice_107.h
>tml
>
>I got one of the latter for my Mk2 T&C grinder, the quality is
>excellent. The 2" version should be plenty large enough. If you want to
>sharpen round tools, a simple holder from a piece of square steel bored
>out to fit is simple to make (and essential). Do take very light cuts -
>2 thou is a very heavy cut on a grinder, and the tools get very hot.
>
>For sharpening the ends of milling cutters, a universal head is used.
>You could get by quite well with a universal vice (as above) with a
>rotating holder (square block of steel, bored to take a cylindrical
>holder with some collets).
>

I've got a Clarkson Universal head & a few bushes for it, which was
going to go on ebay when I get time. Open to offers before that,
though ;-)

Tim (in Cheshire)

In article <5hc4c1F3k58naU1@mid.individual.net>, NoSpam
<nomail@hursley.ibm.com> writes
>David Littlewood wrote:
>> Dave,
>> For sharpening lathe tools, a 3-way vice is the best option, for
>>example:
>
>... snipped
>
>I've already exposed my ignorance so a little more exposure can't do
>any more damage ;-)
>For regular lathe tools, what's the advantage of using this grinder
>over a regular bench grinder, and what's the advantage of using a
>relatively expensive vice over making a simple jig?

(1) More precise setting of angles (already calibrated);

(2) More secure than many flimsy jigs;

(3) Can use a cup wheel, so get flat surfaces.

(4) Nice smooth slide action and finely calibrated infeed;

(5) Life's too short to make everything (unless making it gives you
pleasure or you are short of funds).
>
>> For sharpening the ends of milling cutters, a universal head is
>>used. You could get by quite well with a universal vice (as above)
>>with a rotating holder (square block of steel, bored to take a
>>cylindrical holder with some collets).
>> The tooth rest, used to align each tooth in turn for presentation to
>>the wheel, is easily fabricated.
>I've had the parts of a Darex M3 for quite w while - I'll see if I can
>adapt them

Don't know this.
>
>> A pair of centres for holding milling cutters to present the side
>>flutes can be found if you look around, or fabricated if you prefer.
>
>Fortunately the centres were with it.
>
>> The drill sharpener is very rare, but I reckon a suitable set-up
>>could be arranged using the above bits; I am still working on this.
>
>I should be able to use the Darex M3 bits
>
>> For TC tools you will need a green grit wheel or (I suspect better)
>>a diamond cup wheel. Eternal Tools sell very good ones, recently
>>reviewed in MEW.
>
>Can diamond be used for both HSS and TC?

Yes.
>
>> BTW, I assume you have a cup wheel, they are all but essential for
>>many of the tasks.
>
>No, I've never used a cup wheel - what are the advantages (more
>exposure :-( )

See above; using the edge of a disc wheel gives concave faces, using the
face to any great extent is not really safe.
>
>> The recent book by Harold Hall in the Workshop Practice series on
>>Tool and Cutter sharpening would be a good place to start; Amazon or
>>Camden Miniature Steam Services should have it.
>
>I didn't know about it but I'll investigate.
>> Hope this helps; do get back with more specific questions. I am also
>>on the learning curve, just a few weeks further along it. If the CD
>>does not give you the handbooks, get back to me as I have copies of
>>the Clarkson and March ones.
>> David
>
>That's useful info, and a very kind offer David. I'm told that John's
>CD doesn't have the handbooks so I'll send you an email.
>
>Dave

david at dlittlewood dot co dot uk

David
--
David Littlewood

In article <5hcb7dF3hhq5kU1@mid.individual.net>, NoSpam
<nomail@hursley.ibm.com> writes
>>
>>> Hope this helps; do get back with more specific questions. I am also
>>>on the learning curve, just a few weeks further along it. If the CD
>>>does not give you the handbooks, get back to me as I have copies of
>>>Clarkson and March ones.
>>>
>>> David
>> That's useful info, and a very kind offer David. I'm told that
>>John's CD doesn't have the handbooks so I'll send you an email.
>> Dave
>
>David, the email bounced - can you suggest what to put in place of nospam?

See other post!
--
David Littlewood

In article <NdMQSwHCaRsGFwSQ@dlittlewood.co.uk>, David Littlewood
<david@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <5hc4c1F3k58naU1@mid.individual.net>, NoSpam
><nomail@hursley.ibm.com> writes
>>David Littlewood wrote:
>>> Dave,
>>> For sharpening lathe tools, a 3-way vice is the best option, for
>>>example:
>>
>>... snipped
>>
>>I've already exposed my ignorance so a little more exposure can't do
>>any more damage ;-)
>>For regular lathe tools, what's the advantage of using this grinder
>>over a regular bench grinder, and what's the advantage of using a
>>relatively expensive vice over making a simple jig?
>
>(1) More precise setting of angles (already calibrated);
>
>(2) More secure than many flimsy jigs;
>
>(3) Can use a cup wheel, so get flat surfaces.
>
>(4) Nice smooth slide action and finely calibrated infeed;
>
>(5) Life's too short to make everything (unless making it gives you
>pleasure or you are short of funds).

And I forgot:

(6) You then have a very nice solid 3-way vice for use on your milling
machine.

David
--
David Littlewood

In article <NdMQSwHCaRsGFwSQ@dlittlewood.co.uk>, David Littlewood
<david@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
>>
>>> Hope this helps; do get back with more specific questions. I am
>>>also on the learning curve, just a few weeks further along it. If
>>>the CD does not give you the handbooks, get back to me as I have
>>>copies of the Clarkson and March ones.
>>> David
>>
>>That's useful info, and a very kind offer David. I'm told that John's
>>CD doesn't have the handbooks so I'll send you an email.
>>
>>Dave
>
>david at dlittlewood dot co dot uk
>
Just noticed that there was an article on the Clarkson Mk 1 in MEW No
120, page 42. Describes quite a few improvements and additional
accessories, and a few useful setups.

David
--
David Littlewood

	#1
NoSpam	Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder? I've just become the proud owner of a Clarkson T&C grinder but I've no idea what it can do, what attachments I should be looking for or how to use it. Any help available? Dave

	#2
John Stevenson	Re: Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder? On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:54:23 +0100, NoSpam <nomail@hursley.ibm.com> wrote: >I've just become the proud owner of a Clarkson T&C grinder but I've no >idea what it can do, what attachments I should be looking for or how to >use it. Any help available? > >Dave http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tool-and-Cutte...mZ160141514204

	#4
ravensworth2674	Re: Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder? Dave, I also have a Clarkson Mk1 and can recommend John's CD. With only the two centres, you are limited and need something which will do lathe tools as well. Again, you should be looking for a magnetic table- cos they add immeasurably to the versatility. Right! The Clarkson 'goodies' are expensive but the CD will show you what was/is available and can be replicated. The Toolholder for lathe tools can be damned near anything. I made my first out best B&Q 2"X2" and bolts and wing nuts from 'Wilkinsons' The two recommended abrasive discs are standard items at Cromwell Tools. You do need the extension nut and I would make it a first job and left hand threading!!!! I haven't got round to Darex but any holder which is capable of being tilted with work. I have seen Stent, Quorn and Kennet stuff working on the table. John's CD has Boxford stuff included and again, reference to Boxford goodies may be clearer than the Clarkson instructions included. My experience! In a fairly recent MEW, there is a reference to graduating the Clarkson. Worth a look! One of my mates graduated his table to improve things. Sorry, it is becoming a history lesson and not really intended but i would suggest that you join the YahooGroups Quorn-Owners group for added interst and there are still bits left which you might find useful. Somewhere, is the reference to 4 facet drill grinding to add. Hopefully, this will keep you busy to the weekend! Cheers Norm

	#5
Peter A Forbes	Re: Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder? On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:54:23 +0100, NoSpam <nomail@hursley.ibm.com> wrote: >I've just become the proud owner of a Clarkson T&C grinder but I've no >idea what it can do, what attachments I should be looking for or how to >use it. Any help available? > >Dave Pictures of our unit at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Ward/Clark1.htm March Engineering handbooks were on ebay up to a week or so ago, I haven't done any Clarkson searches recently but they should still be there. Also recommend that CD of John S's We have the drill/reamer sharpening attachment on ours, and have picked up some odds and sods in the way of fittings/tooling since we acquired it, but the fittings tend to be expensive on ebay, despite most of the older machines being scrapped. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel@easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

	#11
Andrew Mawson	Re: Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder? "NoSpam" <nomail@hursley.ibm.com> wrote in message news:5hb4qkF3hr908U3@mid.individual.net... > ravensworth2674 wrote: > > Dave, > > I deliberately left out comment of what accessories that I > > have for my Clarkson but I have a 'full set' minus a few bits from the > > radius turning attachment- although it works. In addirion, I have a > > full set from my homemade Quorn and Kennet. But!!!! > > Since the days of all the aforementioned, things have moved on to a > > point where carbide is commonplace hence the demise of many > > horrendously expensive tools. > > I suggested Quorn_Owners because some of the additional fittings for > > air spindles is on file and whilst I haven't got round to it, > > unquestionably this can be readily adapted from the Quorn- which is a > > thing for home constructors. Again, the Clarkson changed to two speed- > > and for good reason but we need a low, low speed to hone carbide > > tooling with diamond pastes which are now readily available. > > Again, John did a thing- call it a mock up- using collets and a 3 way > > 'vice' and cheap DE grinder- which would have proved successful. I did > > it with the latter 2 items earlier. > > > > Tool and cutter grinding for amateur workers has moved on beyond the > > orthodox ;manuals. My comments were designed to open up the subject- > > and suggest moving on to what is now possible in the home > > environment. > > > > In the past few hours, I have a copy of July's MEW with improvements- > > thank God- on the Worden. Another Round to It! > > > > Norm > > > > Now I'm going to really expose my ignorance - what would an air spindle > be used for? > > Dave Grinding the flutes of reamers, slot drills and endmills. The silky smooth travel allows the object being ground to follow the toothrest without jerks. (If anyone has any Clarkson air spindle collets please get in touch as I only have one with my spindle!) AWEM

	#12
Peter A Forbes	Re: Re: Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder? On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:16:29 +0100, NoSpam <nomail@hursley.ibm.com> wrote: >Is everything on John's CD (already ordered) or do I need the handbook >as well? > >Dave The March handbook is the official book for the machine and is not on John's CD (or at least, I haven't seen it there!) The book is a useful reference for the machine, but not on how to use it IMO Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel@easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

	#14
Peter A Forbes	Re: Re: Re: Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder? On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:51:21 +0100, Peter A Forbes <diesel@easynet.co.uk> wrote: >On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:16:29 +0100, NoSpam <nomail@hursley.ibm.com> wrote: > > >>Is everything on John's CD (already ordered) or do I need the handbook >>as well? >> >>Dave > >The March handbook is the official book for the machine and is not on John's CD >(or at least, I haven't seen it there!) > >The book is a useful reference for the machine, but not on how to use it IMO > >Peter Had a quick scan through my own book, what is probably most useful is the list of available tooling, and there 'are' sections on how to sharpen tools etc. My book also came with another 6-page brochure inside called "Tool & Cutter Care" also by March engineering. Price for a Mk1 T&C cutter grinder (in 2001) was £364.50 plus VAT Price for the drill/reamer jig was £1344.00 plus VAT Price for the Air Bearing Flute Grinding Attachment was £1190.00 plus VAT Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email: diesel@easynet.co.uk Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

	#15
David Littlewood	Re: Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder? In article <sap0b3hic9egok9uaq5qigik83fq1p15vb@4ax.com>, Peter A Forbes <diesel@easynet.co.uk> writes >On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:16:29 +0100, NoSpam <nomail@hursley.ibm.com> wrote: > > >>Is everything on John's CD (already ordered) or do I need the handbook >>as well? >> >>Dave > >The March handbook is the official book for the machine and is not on John's CD >(or at least, I haven't seen it there!) > >The book is a useful reference for the machine, but not on how to use it IMO > Well, it's sort of half useful - and, IMO, somewhat in the opposite direction to what Peter said. It has a list of all the accessories (standard and optional extras) and instructions on how to sharpen the common types of cutters - but it is rather lacking in basic instructions on how to use the machine itself. Most of these things can be found by inspection and trial and error. I know I had this experience when I acquired a March Mk2 a couple of months ago (that is the same as the Clarkson, just rebadged). David -- David Littlewood

	#22
Tim Leech	Re: Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder? On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:18:10 +0100, David Littlewood <david@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote: >In article <5h9p5lF3k8ljiU1@mid.individual.net>, NoSpam ><nomail@hursley.ibm.com> writes >>I've just become the proud owner of a Clarkson T&C grinder but I've no >>idea what it can do, what attachments I should be looking for or how to >>use it. Any help available? >> >>Dave > >Dave, > >For sharpening lathe tools, a 3-way vice is the best option, for >example: > >http://www.chronos.ltd.uk/acatalog/C...Swivel_Tilt_Mi >lling_Vice_106.html > >or: > >http://www.chronos.ltd.uk/acatalog/C...sal_Vice_107.h >tml > >I got one of the latter for my Mk2 T&C grinder, the quality is >excellent. The 2" version should be plenty large enough. If you want to >sharpen round tools, a simple holder from a piece of square steel bored >out to fit is simple to make (and essential). Do take very light cuts - >2 thou is a very heavy cut on a grinder, and the tools get very hot. > >For sharpening the ends of milling cutters, a universal head is used. >You could get by quite well with a universal vice (as above) with a >rotating holder (square block of steel, bored to take a cylindrical >holder with some collets). > I've got a Clarkson Universal head & a few bushes for it, which was going to go on ebay when I get time. Open to offers before that, though ;-) Tim (in Cheshire)