Martin Ace

Hi guys,

I've just installed a Solarcon I-Max 2000 antenna. It's 24' high. At
present, it seems that there are hardly any breakers in my area, Enfield
north London. If any of you guys are going to be on tonight, about 11pm or
12 midnight, could I meet you on a channel for a rig check? Name a channel
and I'll be there.

mikeFNB

no-one on in Enfield, blimey you must be kidding.
where's motormouth Martin gone?
he lives on the 19 and has done for 20yrs.

mike

"Martin Ace" <martin@martinace.com> wrote in message
news:9vJOd.78841$K7.60149@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> Hi guys,
>
> I've just installed a Solarcon I-Max 2000 antenna. It's 24' high. At
> present, it seems that there are hardly any breakers in my area, Enfield
> north London. If any of you guys are going to be on tonight, about 11pm
or
> 12 midnight, could I meet you on a channel for a rig check? Name a
channel
> and I'll be there.
>
>
>

ZZZPK

"Martin Ace" <martin@martinace.com> wrote:

: I've just installed a Solarcon I-Max 2000 antenna. It's 24' high. At
: present, it seems that there are hardly any breakers in my area, Enfield
: north London. If any of you guys are going to be on tonight, about 11pm or
: 12 midnight, could I meet you on a channel for a rig check? Name a channel
: and I'll be there.

has the physical size of aerial limit been thrown out ?

you know, the part of the licence regs that limits power,
aerial, aerial height etc ?

ZZZPK

zzzpk_pkearn_class_a@multi_band_cb_i...om. es.it.net (ZZZPK) wrote:

: "Martin Ace" <martin@martinace.com> wrote:
:
: : I've just installed a Solarcon I-Max 2000 antenna. It's 24' high. At
: : present, it seems that there are hardly any breakers in my area, Enfield
: : north London. If any of you guys are going to be on tonight, about 11pm or
: : 12 midnight, could I meet you on a channel for a rig check? Name a channel
: : and I'll be there.
:
: has the physical size of aerial limit been thrown out ?
:
: you know, the part of the licence regs that limits power,
: aerial, aerial height etc ?


i note that there is no reply to this.

yet there have been other replies posted.

i therefore assume that the regulation governing size andd height of
aerial remains.

huLLy

ZZZPK wrote:
>
> i therefore assume that the regulation governing size andd height of
> aerial remains.

No, any vertical can be used now. The power reduction atr x m height has
also been removed.

Many years ago I think

--
huLLy
VOIP SIP Phone Number 4823176 on Global Village
Or +44 8703 408916 to my VOIP line
email g4sdw@aol.com (Loon reports welcome)
http://www.giganews.com/customer/gn119503

ZZZPK

"huLLy" <g4sdw@aol.com> wrote:

: ZZZPK wrote:
: >
: > i therefore assume that the regulation governing size andd height of
: > aerial remains.
:
: No, any vertical can be used now. The power reduction atr x m height has
: also been removed.
:
: Many years ago I think

fancy you knowing that !

huLLy

ZZZPK wrote:
> "huLLy" <g4sdw@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> ZZZPK wrote:
>>>
>>> i therefore assume that the regulation governing size andd height of
>>> aerial remains.
>>
>> No, any vertical can be used now. The power reduction atr x m height
>> has also been removed.
>>
>> Many years ago I think
>
> fancy you knowing that !

Some of my best times were with 2kW SSB
--
huLLy
VOIP SIP Phone Number 4823176 on Global Village
Or +44 8703 408916 to my VOIP line
email g4sdw@aol.com (Loon reports welcome)
http://www.giganews.com/customer/gn119503

ZZZPK

"huLLy" <g4sdw@aol.com> wrote:

: Some of my best times were with 2kW SSB

why doesnt that surprise me.

Peter

"ZZZPK" wrote...
>
> "Martin Ace" <martin@martinace.com> wrote:
>
> : I've just installed a Solarcon I-Max 2000 antenna. It's 24' high. At
> : present, it seems that there are hardly any breakers in my area, Enfield
> : north London. If any of you guys are going to be on tonight, about 11pm or
> : 12 midnight, could I meet you on a channel for a rig check? Name a channel
> : and I'll be there.
>
> has the physical size of aerial limit been thrown out ?
>
> you know, the part of the licence regs that limits power,

Power is still 4 Watts.

> aerial,

Antenna type, length and width are still subject to rules - although
not the old 1.5 Metre, base loaded, 2W ERP rules that they initially
put in place.

> aerial height

Antenna height is NOT restricted under CB rules, the height and
use of low power rules were removed some years back. However,
as with any structures, your local council may have something to
say about antennas.

> etc ?

Care to be more specific about what "etc" you want to know about?


Regards,

Peter
http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/

5/9 qsl N.E.,uk

Peter

"ZZZPK" wrote...
> (ZZZPK) wrote:
> :
> : has the physical size of aerial limit been thrown out ?
> :
> : you know, the part of the licence regs that limits power,
> : aerial, aerial height etc ?
>
> i note that there is no reply to this.

Give it time. This is a newsgroup, not a chat room - some of us
have a life off the Internet :~)


Regards,

Peter
http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/

Andy

"Peter" <braìnbuster@lineone.net> wrote in message
news:42104e1c.0@entanet...
> "ZZZPK" wrote...
> >

<SNIP>
>
> Antenna height is NOT restricted under CB rules, the height and
> use of low power rules were removed some years back. However,
> as with any structures, your local council may have something to
> say about antennas.
>
> > etc ?
>
> Care to be more specific about what "etc" you want to know about?
>
>

I care to disagree with this. Antenna height IS restricted under the CB
licence. From the RA website (Yes its changed to OFCOM, however the OFCOM
website, still points to the old RA one, and if anyone here has a CB
licence, this exact information is included in the booklet you get with your
licence, which I recieved about 4 months ago)

"A single monopole not exceding 6.5M or 55mm in diameter"
"A single vertical dipole not exceding 5.5M in length"

"In all cases... any supporting masts or structures most not exceed 15M"

Source:
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/archi...info/ra369.htm

That page is basically what you get in your wee book they send out with the
licence.

HTH
Andy

ZZZPK

"Andy" <mailmaster@NOSPAMandybhoy.force9.co.uk> wrote:

: "A single monopole not exceding 6.5M or 55mm in diameter"

6.5m = ( 6.5 * 39.37 inches) / 12 foot = 21.32 feet


given that the spec given at http://radioproshop.com/solarcon/max2000.htm
says that the aerial is 24 Feet Long, therefore .......

Paul Cummins

In article <42128efd$0$20850$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>,
mailmaster@NOSPAMandybhoy.force9.co.uk (Andy) wrote:

>
> "In all cases... any supporting masts or structures most not exceed
> 15M"

So if I put a 15m mast on top of a 35-40m tree (which is neither a mast
nor a structure) then I am complying with the letter of the licence and
putting an antenna 60-65m high.

--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

Peter

"Andy" <mailmaster@NOSPAMandybhoy.force9.co.uk> wrote in message
news:42128efd$0$20850$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net...
>
> "Peter" <braìnbuster@lineone.net> wrote in message
> news:42104e1c.0@entanet...
> >
> > Antenna height is NOT restricted under CB rules, the height and
> > use of low power rules were removed some years back. However,
> > as with any structures, your local council may have something to
> > say about antennas.
>
> I care to disagree with this. Antenna height IS restricted under the CB
> licence. From the RA website (Yes its changed to OFCOM, however the OFCOM
> website, still points to the old RA one, and if anyone here has a CB
> licence, this exact information is included in the booklet you get with your
> licence, which I recieved about 4 months ago)
>
> "A single monopole not exceding 6.5M or 55mm in diameter"
> "A single vertical dipole not exceding 5.5M in length"

That is LENGTH and WIDTH... not height.
As far as Ofcom care, you can take your 6.5M length and shove it where the sun
never stops shining - whatever height you wish. There was once a HEIGHT rule,
which clearly stated a height above which you must use low power.

If those 6.5 and 5.5 Metre rules applied to height, then a 5/8 monopole would
need to be mounted on the ground - and a horizontal dipole could be as long
as you wish, as you would be extending width rather than height.

Ofcom plan to place a maximum height rule on the new CADS service. They will
still have the same length and width rule, but will also have a height rule - which
will NOT apply to CBers using the band.


Regards,

Peter
http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/

Peter

"ZZZPK" wrote...
> "Andy" wrote:
>
> : "A single monopole not exceding 6.5M or 55mm in diameter"
>
> 6.5m = ( 6.5 * 39.37 inches) / 12 foot = 21.32 feet
>
> given that the spec given at http://radioproshop.com/solarcon/max2000.htm
> says that the aerial is 24 Feet Long, therefore .......

As the legal length of a monopole refers only to the driven element, there
are ways to make the antenna physically longer without breaking this rule.

It need not improve the the performance, as long as the higher figure will look
impressive on a spec sheet.


Regards,

Peter
http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/

The Magnum

"ZZZPK" <zzzpk_pkearn_class_a@multi_band_cb_is_here.eircom .es.it.net> wrote
in message news:4212926c.15519500@news.iol.ie...
> "Andy" <mailmaster@NOSPAMandybhoy.force9.co.uk> wrote:
>
> : "A single monopole not exceding 6.5M or 55mm in diameter"
>
> 6.5m = ( 6.5 * 39.37 inches) / 12 foot = 21.32 feet
>
>
> given that the spec given at http://radioproshop.com/solarcon/max2000.htm
> says that the aerial is 24 Feet Long, therefore .......
>
>
OOh my goodness !! its not2 and a bit foot too high is it !!...... i can
just see Offcom officials with their tape measures poised to strike fear
into all the lives of anyone with one of these antennas..

ZZZPK

"Peter" <braìnbuster@lineone.net> wrote:

: "ZZZPK" wrote...
: > "Andy" wrote:
: >
: > : "A single monopole not exceding 6.5M or 55mm in diameter"
: >
: > 6.5m = ( 6.5 * 39.37 inches) / 12 foot = 21.32 feet
: >
: > given that the spec given at http://radioproshop.com/solarcon/max2000.htm
: > says that the aerial is 24 Feet Long, therefore .......
:
: As the legal length of a monopole refers only to the driven element, there
tell me ...where does it say DRIVEN ELEMENT ?

Peter

"Andy" <mailmaster@NOSPAMandybhoy.force9.co.uk> wrote...
>
> "A single monopole not exceding 6.5M or 55mm in diameter"

Or, to quote it exactly, using the words and figures that they give...
<quote>
a single vertical omnidirectional monopole antenna, the driven element
of which does not exceed 6.95m in length or 55mm in diameter
</quote>

> "In all cases... any supporting masts or structures most not exceed 15M"

I see that you have taken the start of the sentence... and jumped to the end, ignoring the
important words in the middle.
Here you go, this is what the really say on the subject:

<exact quote>
(2) In all cases. if a CB Station is situated within 1 km of the
boundary of any aerodrome the height of the antenna, any
supporting mast or structure must not exceed 15m.
</quote>

This ONLY applies if near an airport, which would probably apply to any
such structure at such a location, not just CB. The vast majority of CB
users will NOT be that close to an airport.

My quotes are from the very document you claim to quote, but I offer the
correct wording of the text:
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/archi...info/ra369.htm


Regards,

Peter
http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/

Peter

"ZZZPK" wrote...
> "Peter" <braìnbuster@lineone.net> wrote:
>
> : "ZZZPK" wrote...
> : > "Andy" wrote:
> : >
> : > : "A single monopole not exceding 6.5M or 55mm in diameter"
> : >
> : > 6.5m = ( 6.5 * 39.37 inches) / 12 foot = 21.32 feet
> : >
> : > given that the spec given at http://radioproshop.com/solarcon/max2000.htm
> : > says that the aerial is 24 Feet Long, therefore .......
> :
> : As the legal length of a monopole refers only to the driven element, there
>
> tell me ...where does it say DRIVEN ELEMENT ?

Unlike someone else on this group, I will quote you their exact words on the subject...

RA246 - Citizen's Band Radio Information Sheet:
A single, vertical, omnidirectional monopole, the driven element of which
does not exceed 6.95m in length or 55mm in diameter, including any
loading coils and associated circuitry and casings, but excluding any plates,
radial wires or rods designed to act as a ground plane or counterpoise, which
are located at the physical base of the antenna;

RA369 - Citizen's Band Radio Licence Terms, Provisions and Limitations Booklet:
a single vertical omnidirectional monopole antenna, the driven element of which
does not exceed 6.95m in length or 55mm in diameter, including any loading
coils and associated circuitry and casings, but excluding any plates, radial
wires or rods designed solely to act as a ground plane or counterpoise, which
are located at the physical base of the antenna;

A manufacturer could put the ground rods at, say, a 45 degree angle and quote
the overall length so the figure looks impressive. Just like they can use dB
without saying what it is being compared to - allowing them to give ridiculous,
but impressive figures.


On the subject of height...
RA246:
Are there any height restrictions for CB antennas?
No, apart from local planning restrictions and a requirement that
within 1 km of airfields the overall height of the antenna plus
mast must be less than 15m.

Unless you are close to an airfield, the only height restriction is whatever your
local council will allow. No height rule appears to be imposed by Ofcom, it seems
that they are just advising people of rules put in place by other authorities - which
will depend upon your location.


Regards,

Peter
http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/

ZZZPK omenwilliams@web-mail.com.ar

"Peter" <braìnbuster@lineone.net> wrote:

: Unlike someone else on this group, I will quote you their exact words on the subject...
:
: RA246 - Citizen's Band Radio Information Sheet:
: A single, vertical, omnidirectional monopole, the driven element of which
: does not exceed 6.95m in length or 55mm in diameter, including any
: loading coils and associated circuitry and casings, but excluding any plates,
: radial wires or rods designed to act as a ground plane or counterpoise, which
: are located at the physical base of the antenna;
:
: RA369 - Citizen's Band Radio Licence Terms, Provisions and Limitations Booklet:
: a single vertical omnidirectional monopole antenna, the driven element of which
: does not exceed 6.95m in length or 55mm in diameter, including any loading
: coils and associated circuitry and casings, but excluding any plates, radial
: wires or rods designed solely to act as a ground plane or counterpoise, which
: are located at the physical base of the antenna;
:
: A manufacturer could put the ground rods at, say, a 45 degree angle and quote
: the overall length so the figure looks impressive. Just like they can use dB
: without saying what it is being compared to - allowing them to give ridiculous,
: but impressive figures.
:


:
: On the subject of height...
: RA246:
: Are there any height restrictions for CB antennas?
: No, apart from local planning restrictions and a requirement that
: within 1 km of airfields the overall height of the antenna plus
: mast must be less than 15m.
:
: Unless you are close to an airfield, the only height restriction is whatever your
: local council will allow. No height rule appears to be imposed by Ofcom, it seems
: that they are just advising people of rules put in place by other authorities - which
: will depend upon your location.
:
:
: Regards,
:
: Peter
: http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/
:


now thats better..

thats the answer i iwanted long ago...

how come it took you that long to find it ?

of course now that you've posted it... you cant claim to have not known
about it :-)
:

Peter

"ZZZPK wrote...
>
> now thats better..
>
> thats the answer i iwanted long ago...

As we have already said, you need to learn to be more precise
and say exactly what you mean.
I suppose you thought that everyone would know exactly what you
meant by "etc".

> how come it took you that long to find it ?

I fear you may be somewhat confused over your location.
This is rec.radio.cb, a newsgroup for CB enthusiasts.

Some concepts you need to understand include:
1. Being a newsgroup, not a chat room, people reply when they
have the time. This means that you should not expect a reply
within any set time scale.
2. Being a newsgroup, not a classroom, all people are equal - there
is no master who can demand replies to his questions.
3. As there is no requirement for anyone to reply to any post, you
really should just be grateful for what you get... beggars cannot
be chosers.

> of course now that you've posted it... you cant claim to have not
> known about it :-)

4. Nobody has to answer to anyone on here - you have no authority
to demand information, whether technical or personal in nature.

That being said, people are free to own up to what they like - but it's
their choice, not your right to demand.

I have never claimed that I do not know the rules. Neither have I ever
made any claim that I use any CB equipment that does not meet with
the requirements of the present CB rules.
Your imagination is filling the gaps in your memory.


Regards,

Peter
http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/