Paul Cummins

In article <fb9aee00.0502201140.4d1443c1@posting.google.com >,
josh_rogan@hotmail.co.uk (Josh Rogan) wrote:

> but you still wouldn't legally be
> able to use it in the UK.

Sorry, Directive 1999/5/EC - which is an EU law, overrides the Wireless
Telegraphy Act 1949 and it's secondary orders.

That directive makes the following CB modes lawful in the EU:

FM - Mid Band - 4w Carrier

AM - Mid Band - 1w Carrier

SSB - Mid Band - 4w PEP


--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

Philip de Cadenet

Paul,

>Sorry, Directive 1999/5/EC - which is an EU law, overrides the Wireless
>Telegraphy Act 1949 and it's secondary orders.
>
>That directive makes the following CB modes lawful in the EU:
>
>FM - Mid Band - 4w Carrier
>
>AM - Mid Band - 1w Carrier
>
>SSB - Mid Band - 4w PEP
____________________________________________

Did you mean 4w PEP or 12w PEP on SSB?
--
Philip de Cadenet
Transmitters 'R' Us
http://www.transmittersrus.com

Paul Cummins

In article <pVMk4UKlMQGCFwGj@philstheboss.freeserve.co.uk>,
Philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk (Philip de Cadenet) wrote:

> Did you mean 4w PEP or 12w PEP on SSB?

nope - 4w pep.

--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

Josh Rogan

> Sorry, Directive 1999/5/EC - which is an EU law, overrides the Wireless
> Telegraphy Act 1949 and it's secondary orders.
>
> That directive makes the following CB modes lawful in the EU:
>
> FM - Mid Band - 4w Carrier
>
> AM - Mid Band - 1w Carrier
>
> SSB - Mid Band - 4w PEP

European directive 1999/5/EC is the Radio Telecommunications &
Terminal Equipment Directive which I referred to in my earlier post.
The R&TTE Directive relates to the equipment and components which fit
within the definitions of radio equipment and telecommunications
terminal equipment given in the directive, it has nothing to do with
spectrum and mode allocation. In fact, article 6, paragraph 3 of the
directive actually says:

"In the case of radio equipment using frequency bands whose use is not
harmonised throughout the community, the manufacturer or his
authorised representative established within the community or the
person responsible for placing the equipment on the market shall
notify the national authority responsible in the relevant member State
for spectrum management of the intention to place such equipment on
its national market."

In other words, EU member states still govern what goes on in the
radio spectrum in their own countries. If you have seen text in the
R&TTE directive which states that AM and SSB CB is legal in all EU
member countries then please tell us which paragraph of the directive
states this, I'm sure we would all love to see it.

Someone has been leading you a merry dance my friend.

BR,

Josh.

Paul Cummins

In article <fb9aee00.0502210414.5ce9aa28@posting.google.com >,
josh_rogan@hotmail.co.uk (Josh Rogan) wrote:

> In the case of radio equipment using frequency bands whose use is not
> harmonised throughout the community,

That's the point. The CEPT agreements on Citizens Band radio DO allow
AM/SSB

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Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

Josh Rogan

"That's the point. The CEPT agreements on Citizens Band radio DO allow
AM/SSB"

System wouldn't let me reply to your last post for some reason.

Either you are deliberately trying to wind me up or you are stupid. UK
Interface Requirement 2027 which details the licensing requirements
for CB Radio does not allow for use of AM or SSB modes of operation in
the UK. If you know of a document that overrides or contradicts this,
then please share it with us because so far you have not been able to
back up your claim with any substance at all.

Paul Cummins

In article <fb9aee00.0502211019.13744d69@posting.google.com >,
josh_rogan@hotmail.co.uk (Josh Rogan) wrote:

> UK
> Interface Requirement 2027 which details the licensing requirements
> for CB Radio does not allow for use of AM or SSB modes of operation in
> the UK.

Where can I get a copy of this standard? It doesn't appear to be available
on the net.

--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

Josh Rogan

"Where can I get a copy of this standard? It doesn't appear to be
available
on the net."

Apologies, I had to reply to one of your older posts again, as the
system wont't let my reply to your most recent post.

IR 2027 is not a standard, it is the UK Interface Requirement for CB
radio. Unsurprisingly it is available on the OFCOM web site with all
of the other interface requirements.

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/licensing_nu...interface_req/

BR,

Josh.

noone

"Paul Cummins" <agree2pay4uce@spam.vlaad.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20050220201534.3764B@admin.vlaad.co.uk.. .
> In article <fb9aee00.0502201140.4d1443c1@posting.google.com >,
> josh_rogan@hotmail.co.uk (Josh Rogan) wrote:
>
>> but you still wouldn't legally be
>> able to use it in the UK.
>
> Sorry, Directive 1999/5/EC - which is an EU law, overrides the Wireless
> Telegraphy Act 1949 and it's secondary orders.
>
> That directive makes the following CB modes lawful in the EU:
>
> FM - Mid Band - 4w Carrier
>
> AM - Mid Band - 1w Carrier
>
> SSB - Mid Band - 4w PEP
>

We've got to get some clarification on this from Ofcom. Why omly 1w on AM
though I don't understand ? There is no info about their on the site it
seems

noone

Well they did'nt actually use that word but nope SSB is NOT ALLOWED and
NEVER WILL BE acc to the woman in the 'cb' dept at ofcom I spoke to so
that's that shame huh ?

I guess it depends who you end up talking to but this one appeared to know
her stuff so dream on good buddy !

Paul Cummins

In article <4219f1cd$1@news.greennet.net>, noone@home.here (noone) wrote:

> Well they did'nt actually use that word but nope SSB is NOT ALLOWED and
> NEVER WILL BE acc to the woman in the 'cb' dept at ofcom I spoke to so
> that's that shame huh ?

How ludicrous. By 2008 at the latest, Ofcom will be replaced by a Euro
regulator anyway.

--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

tonester

noone wrote:
> "Paul Cummins" <agree2pay4uce@spam.vlaad.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:memo.20050220201534.3764B@admin.vlaad.co.uk.. .
>
>>In article <fb9aee00.0502201140.4d1443c1@posting.google.com >,
>>josh_rogan@hotmail.co.uk (Josh Rogan) wrote:
>>
>>
>>> but you still wouldn't legally be
>>>able to use it in the UK.
>>
>>Sorry, Directive 1999/5/EC - which is an EU law, overrides the Wireless
>>Telegraphy Act 1949 and it's secondary orders.
>>
>>That directive makes the following CB modes lawful in the EU:
>>
>>FM - Mid Band - 4w Carrier
>>
>>AM - Mid Band - 1w Carrier
>>
>>SSB - Mid Band - 4w PEP
>>
>
>
> We've got to get some clarification on this from Ofcom. Why omly 1w on AM
> though I don't understand ? There is no info about their on the site it
> seems
>
>
this is old news but I thought I would re-post it.....


my name is Henning Gajek from "CB-funk" Magazine the leading magazine
in the german speaking area.

I would like to draw your attention, that

Single Side Band (SSB) Operation is legal in Germany
since May 29, 2002.
(See Bulletin of RegTP, from May 29, 2002,
"Mitteilung 268/2002" Page 812)

Conditions:

SSB-use Channel 4..15 (CEPT/FCC,i.e. 27005 ... 27135 kHz) only.

It's at the moment a time limited test operation (until March, 31,
2004)

The output power 4 Watts P.E.P. max.

Radios must comply ETS 300433 (see www.etsi.org for details)
There are not many radios in the market who fullfill this yet.
(e.g. TEAM Tricom 444)

Users of SSB need a special license which can obtained from the local
RegTP Office (see http://www.regtp.de)

Foreign (European) Users coming to Germany may use their sets, if it
complies EN 300433 and is type approved / legal in their home country.

They have to regard the modulation restrictions:

AM 4..15
FM 1..40
SSB 4..15

They must carry the Circulation Card issued by their home country.

The CB regulations for Germany in a short overview

80 Channels (26565...27405 khz) FM only 4 Watt max
40 Channels (26965...27405 kHz) FM only ("CEPT") 4 Watt max
12 Channels (27005...27135 kHz) AM 1 Watt Carrier 4 Watts P.E.P.
12 Channels (27005...27135 kHz) SSB 4 Watts P.E.P.


Data Transmissions (Packet-Radio)
are allowed on 27235 and 27245 kHz,
additional 26675, 26685 26915 and 26925 kHz (Ch. 51/52, 76/77)
No commercial use of data transmission
Nodes, BBs are allowed

German RegTP (similar to RA) recommends call signs like "DAK123"

Cost of CB-License (unlimited number of radios) for german residents
are 15 EUR / year.

Feel free to inform your readers or contact us for further Details


Please send me a copy of your magazine if writing an article.

Henning Gajek
P.O.Box 1322
D-67087 Bad Duerkheim (Germany)
Phone 0049-6322-5058
Fax 0049-6322-61946