micky savage

lets go back to A.M.



BRING BACK REAL C.B.



MICK.

deBaser

"micky savage" <excaliber13@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> lets go back to A.M.
>
>
>
> BRING BACK REAL C.B.
>
>
>
> MICK.
>

Yeah do away with using the squelch for life.

Andy

jim gm4dhj

"micky savage" <excaliber13@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> lets go back to A.M.
>
>
>
> BRING BACK REAL C.B.
>
>
>
> MICK.
>
>
Yes ...Advanced Modulation...quality......

deBaser

"jim gm4dhj" <jim.gm4dhj@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "micky savage" <excaliber13@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:1Ulbh.515$_74.308@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
>> lets go back to A.M.
>>
>>
>>
>> BRING BACK REAL C.B.
>>
>>
>>
>> MICK.
>>
>>
> Yes ...Advanced Modulation...quality......
>
>

I thought A.M stood for Ancient Mode

Mr_M®

"micky savage" <excaliber13@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> lets go back to A.M.
>
Ermmm, why?

deBaser

"Mr_M®" <nowhere@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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>
> "micky savage" <excaliber13@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:1Ulbh.515$_74.308@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
>> lets go back to A.M.
>>
> Ermmm, why?
>
>

Coz he has just realised the bargain rig at the car boot sale was not FM

Andy

Malkavian

"micky savage" <excaliber13@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> lets go back to A.M.
>
>
>
> BRING BACK REAL C.B.

That's a very sensible suggestion. Dead keying would be a thing of the past.
Better still legalise SSB on CB
>
>
>
> MICK.
>

Peter

"Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote...
>
> That's a very sensible suggestion. Dead keying would be a thing of the past.

Why would dead keying stop if we had AM only?


Regards,
Peter.

Magnum 2E0

"Peter" <braìnbuster@lineone.net> wrote in message
news:45716b42.0@entanet...
> "Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote...
> >
> > That's a very sensible suggestion. Dead keying would be a thing of the
past.
>
> Why would dead keying stop if we had AM only?
>
>
> Regards,
> Peter.

Because the signal underneath would still be audible whereas on FM if the
signal of the dead key is stronger then it would be a complete wipe-out.
Also you could easily QSY to get away from the idiot with the mic keyed
unless you had a pre-arranged plan on FM should someone do it. A few people
I knew used to knock it down 6 channels every time a dead keyer struck on
FM.

Like you say though... it still wouldn't stop them trying... they would just
add music to the carrier or raspberry's or the like... oh what fun...

Graham
--
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Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...

73/51 - 2EO e0 e000h
Franklin Radio Group (www.farc.co.uk)

Malkavian

"Peter" <braìnbuster@lineone.net> wrote in message
news:45716b42.0@entanet...
> "Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote...
>>
>> That's a very sensible suggestion. Dead keying would be a thing of the
>> past.
>
> Why would dead keying stop if we had AM only?

Amlitute modulation. Dead keying doesn't work. The keyer would have to shout
down the mic or play music just to generate the carier.

>
>
> Regards,
> Peter.
>
>
>

Guv'nor

Malkavian wrote:

>
> Amlitute modulation. Dead keying doesn't work. The keyer would have
> to shout down the mic or play music just to generate the carier.
>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Peter.


LMFAO
--
When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading

Magnum 2E0

"Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Peter" <braìnbuster@lineone.net> wrote in message
> news:45716b42.0@entanet...
> > "Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote...
> >>
> >> That's a very sensible suggestion. Dead keying would be a thing of the
> >> past.
> >
> > Why would dead keying stop if we had AM only?
>
> Amlitute modulation. Dead keying doesn't work. The keyer would have to
shout
> down the mic or play music just to generate the carier.

Isn't that sideband?, the carrier on AM is there if you speak or not. The
only thing speaking does is modulate the carrier...

73'
Graham
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-- ...-- -.-- ... ..-

Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...

73/51 - 2EO e0 e000h
Franklin Radio Group (www.farc.co.uk)

Malkavian

"Magnum 2E0" <magnum@mag2781.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:2Ifch.882$3S1.539@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> "Peter" <braìnbuster@lineone.net> wrote in message
>> news:45716b42.0@entanet...
>> > "Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote...
>> >>
>> >> That's a very sensible suggestion. Dead keying would be a thing of the
>> >> past.
>> >
>> > Why would dead keying stop if we had AM only?
>>
>> Amlitute modulation. Dead keying doesn't work. The keyer would have to
> shout
>> down the mic or play music just to generate the carier.
>
> Isn't that sideband?, the carrier on AM is there if you speak or not. The
> only thing speaking does is modulate the carrier...

Sidebands are the sidebands of AM. If you don't beleive me, try it.

>
> 73'
> Graham
> --
> -- ...-- -.-- ... ..-
>
> Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...
>
> 73/51 - 2EO e0 e000h
> Franklin Radio Group (www.farc.co.uk)
>
>

Malkavian

"Guv'nor" <me@000spam.net> wrote in message
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> Malkavian wrote:
>
>>
>> Amlitute modulation. Dead keying doesn't work. The keyer would have
>> to shout down the mic or play music just to generate the carier.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Peter.
>
>
> LMFAO

LOL

> --
> When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading
>

Magnum 2E0

"Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Magnum 2E0" <magnum@mag2781.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:4571d524$0$1349$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere. com...
> > "Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:2Ifch.882$3S1.539@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
> >>
> >> "Peter" <braìnbuster@lineone.net> wrote in message
> >> news:45716b42.0@entanet...
> >> > "Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote...
> >> >>
> >> >> That's a very sensible suggestion. Dead keying would be a thing of
the
> >> >> past.
> >> >
> >> > Why would dead keying stop if we had AM only?
> >>
> >> Amlitute modulation. Dead keying doesn't work. The keyer would have to
> > shout
> >> down the mic or play music just to generate the carier.
> >
> > Isn't that sideband?, the carrier on AM is there if you speak or not.
The
> > only thing speaking does is modulate the carrier...
>
> Sidebands are the sidebands of AM. If you don't beleive me, try it.

Yes I know that.... but on SSB there is no *power behind the carrier unless
it is modulated which would coincide with "shouting down the mic to generate
the carrier". *No power that would 'Dead key' over people anyhow.

73'
Graham
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Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...

73/51 - 2EO e0 e000h
Franklin Radio Group (www.farc.co.uk)

Malkavian

"Magnum 2E0" <magnum@mag2781.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:EFjch.1202$Os5.526@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> "Magnum 2E0" <magnum@mag2781.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:4571d524$0$1349$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere. com...
>> > "Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> > news:2Ifch.882$3S1.539@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
>> >>
>> >> "Peter" <braìnbuster@lineone.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:45716b42.0@entanet...
>> >> > "Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That's a very sensible suggestion. Dead keying would be a thing of
> the
>> >> >> past.
>> >> >
>> >> > Why would dead keying stop if we had AM only?
>> >>
>> >> Amlitute modulation. Dead keying doesn't work. The keyer would have to
>> > shout
>> >> down the mic or play music just to generate the carier.
>> >
>> > Isn't that sideband?, the carrier on AM is there if you speak or not.
> The
>> > only thing speaking does is modulate the carrier...
>>
>> Sidebands are the sidebands of AM. If you don't beleive me, try it.
>
> Yes I know that.... but on SSB there is no *power behind the carrier
> unless
> it is modulated which would coincide with "shouting down the mic to
> generate
> the carrier". *No power that would 'Dead key' over people anyhow.
>

Well avtually on SSB the carrier is generated at the receiver side. Am has a
carrier but it;s only there when there's modulation. I remember my first AM
CB was well after they legalised FM ones and some nerk try keying over a
converation I was having on AM. We kept hearing the keyover click but that
was it. The poor bastard was probably wondering why he couldn't key over us.
Ah memories. Yes I'm all for legalising AM and SSB on CB

> 73'
> Graham
> --
> -- ...-- -.-- ... ..-
>
> Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...
>
> 73/51 - 2EO e0 e000h
> Franklin Radio Group (www.farc.co.uk)
>
>
>

John

The message <D1pch.970$3S1.784@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>
from "Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> contains these words:




> Well avtually on SSB the carrier is generated at the receiver side. Am
> has a
> carrier but it;s only there when there's modulation. I remember my first AM
> CB was well after they legalised FM ones and some nerk try keying over a
> converation I was having on AM. We kept hearing the keyover click but that
> was it. The poor bastard was probably wondering why he couldn't key
> over us.
> Ah memories. Yes I'm all for legalising AM and SSB on CB

WRONG, there is a carrier present at all times on an AM transmission, which is
varied in amplitude (Size) by the modulating audio.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation for a full
explanation of
all the modulation methods.

John.

Malkavian

"John" <jd@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> The message <D1pch.970$3S1.784@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>
> from "Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> contains these words:
>
>
>
>
>> Well avtually on SSB the carrier is generated at the receiver side. Am
>> has a
>> carrier but it;s only there when there's modulation. I remember my first
>> AM
>> CB was well after they legalised FM ones and some nerk try keying over a
>> converation I was having on AM. We kept hearing the keyover click but
>> that
>> was it. The poor bastard was probably wondering why he couldn't key
>> over us.
>> Ah memories. Yes I'm all for legalising AM and SSB on CB
>
> WRONG, there is a carrier present at all times on an AM transmission,
> which is
> varied in amplitude (Size) by the modulating audio.

And if there is no amplitude there is no carrier which mean there is no dead
key. Thanks. You've just proved me correct.
..

>
> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation for a full
> explanation of
> all the modulation methods.

Yes, I remember that lecture in the RAE course I did.

Thank you for the charming memory.

>
> John.

Magnum 2E0

"Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> And if there is no amplitude there is no carrier which mean there is no
dead
> key. Thanks. You've just proved me correct.

Then what is that 4W of something that shows on my power meter when I key up
on AM?

73'
Graham
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Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...

73/51 - 2EO e0 e000h
Franklin Radio Group (www.farc.co.uk)

zpk

"Magnum 2E0" <magnum@mag2781.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

> Then what is that 4W of something that shows on my power meter when I key up
> on AM?

sadly, some on this newsgroup are completely clueless.



i suggest that you continue to self-improve and keep going onwards+upwards
and leave those who dont know what an unmodulated carrier is alone to
wallow in their uncertainty.

Malkavian

"Magnum 2E0" <magnum@mag2781.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:UwBch.1944$GF5.1219@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>
>> And if there is no amplitude there is no carrier which mean there is no
> dead
>> key. Thanks. You've just proved me correct.
>
> Then what is that 4W of something that shows on my power meter when I key
> up
> on AM?

Try keying over somebody.

>
> 73'
> Graham
> --
> -- ...-- -.-- ... ..-
>
> Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...
>
> 73/51 - 2EO e0 e000h
> Franklin Radio Group (www.farc.co.uk)
>
>

Magnum 2E0

"Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Magnum 2E0" <magnum@mag2781.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:4572f6e9$0$1349$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere. com...
> > "Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:UwBch.1944$GF5.1219@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> >
> >> And if there is no amplitude there is no carrier which mean there is no
> > dead
> >> key. Thanks. You've just proved me correct.
> >
> > Then what is that 4W of something that shows on my power meter when I
key
> > up
> > on AM?
>
> Try keying over somebody.

1/ I don't do things like that
2/ I have already said you would need to modulate the carrier to
appropriately disrupt people. Go back and READ my post...

Nonetheless, the un-modulated carrier is still there and can be a real pain
if the station you are talking to is a distance away or has low modulation.

Graham
Ps. I would also be all for Legal SSB on 11m if it were allowed in the
future...which I doubt...
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Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...

73/51 - 2EO e0 e000h
Franklin Radio Group (www.farc.co.uk)

Malkavian

"Magnum 2E0" <magnum@mag2781.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:CaDch.1969$GF5.1854@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> "Magnum 2E0" <magnum@mag2781.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:4572f6e9$0$1349$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere. com...
>> > "Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> > news:UwBch.1944$GF5.1219@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>> >
>> >> And if there is no amplitude there is no carrier which mean there is
>> >> no
>> > dead
>> >> key. Thanks. You've just proved me correct.
>> >
>> > Then what is that 4W of something that shows on my power meter when I
> key
>> > up
>> > on AM?
>>
>> Try keying over somebody.
>
> 1/ I don't do things like that
> 2/ I have already said you would need to modulate the carrier to
> appropriately disrupt people. Go back and READ my post...
>
Hey. I said that you can't key over people on AM like you can do on FM. If
you don't want to experiment to see if you can do that then it's your loss.

> Nonetheless, the un-modulated carrier is still there and can be a real
> pain
> if the station you are talking to is a distance away or has low
> modulation.
>

Nethertheless you still can't keyover people on AM.

> Graham
> Ps. I would also be all for Legal SSB on 11m if it were allowed in the
> future...which I doubt...
> --
> -- ...-- -.-- ... ..-
>
> Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...
>
> 73/51 - 2EO e0 e000h
> Franklin Radio Group (www.farc.co.uk)
>
>
>

HammerChewer

Methinks the subject should be "Utter Bollocks"

Peter

"Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote...
>
> And if there is no amplitude there is no carrier which mean there is
> no dead key. Thanks. You've just proved me correct.

Rubbish, you really need to read up more.
AM puts out a carrier. Key up your microphone, and out goes a carrier.

Taking a 4 Watt AM CB:
With no audio input, the output is 4 Watts dead carrier.
With full audio input, 100% modulation, the carrier varies
between 2 and 6 Watts in sympathy with the audio signal.

The carrier is *needed* at the receiver. Without a carrier, it will not be
able to demodulate the signal. If the carrier drops out at the received
end, distortion will occur.


AM sidebands.
Are you aware that ALL forms of modulation create sidebands?
Even FM creates sidebands. The difference is that FM side
frequencies are not simply carrier +/- audio, they are far more
complicated.


Generation of carrier:
ALL transmitters - AM, FM and sideband - generate a carrier
within the radio. Without a carrier, there can be no modulation
or sidebands.
FM sets modulate the frequency of that carrier, transmitting a carrier
and Two sidebands.
AM sets modulate the amplitude of the carrier (which should never drop
to zero), transmitting a carrier and Two sidebands.
SSB sets mix the carrier and audio in a balanced modulator. The balanced
modulator suppresses the carrier, and the filter suppresses the unwanted
sideband.

Reception.
AM and FM receivers use the carrier to demodulate the signal.
SSB sets create their own version of the carrier, using that to
demodulate the signal.



> Yes, I remember that lecture in the RAE course I did.

Bloody 'ell, this is what they let through now?
Remembering is one thing, understanding is something else.


> Thank you for the charming memory.

Understanding the theory would be more useful to you
than "charming" memories.


If you still don't get it, try this simple test...
A Standing Wave Ratio meter requires a carrier to drive it.
No carrier = no meter movement = no reading possible.
How come you can take the SWR reading with an AM CB?
Duh.

Please, don't try telling us that you whistle to measure SWR
with an AM CB, that would really be stupid.


Regards,

Peter.

Peter

"zpk" <class_a_licensee_pkearn_12wpm@eircom.edu.net.co m> wrote...
>
> sadly, some on this newsgroup are completely clueless.


Magnum makes no claim to be any more than a CBer, which requires no tech knowledge.
Malkavian, who started this "AM has no carrier" crap, claims to have learned that rubbish from the RAE
training.
Is that what they teach Amateurs now?


zpk... clean up your own back yard.


Regards,

Peter.
http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/

Peter

"Magnum 2E0" <magnum@mag2781.freeserve.co.uk> wrote...
> "Peter" <braìnbuster@lineone.net> wrote in message
> news:45716b42.0@entanet...
> > "Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote...
> > >
> > > That's a very sensible suggestion. Dead keying would be a
> > > thing of the past.
> >
> > Why would dead keying stop if we had AM only?
> >
>
> Because the signal underneath would still be audible whereas on FM if the
> signal of the dead key is stronger then it would be a complete wipe-out.


That wouldn't stop people doing it.
It can still be difficult to hold a coversation, especially if the person you are tying to hear has a
weak signal and the keyer is down the road.
As long as they are annoying you and making things difficult, they are happy to continue.


> Like you say though... it still wouldn't stop them trying...

Hey, are you a mind reader?
You knew what was coming in my next reply!!

What I was after was to see what was going through the mind
of "Malkavian", was he confusing AM with SSB?
It seems that he was.

SSB would stop dead keying, but the idiots would find something
else. Like you say, music or raspberries.


Regards,

Peter.
http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/

Peter

"Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote...
>
> "Peter" <braìnbuster@lineone.net> wrote...
> > "Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote...
> >>
> >> That's a very sensible suggestion. Dead keying would be a thing of
> >> thepast.
> >
> > Why would dead keying stop if we had AM only?
>
> Amlitute modulation. Dead keying doesn't work. The keyer would have to shout
> down the mic or play music just to generate the carier.

Just what I thought you would say, go read up on your theory.
Am AM transmitter can send a silent carrier as well as an FM one. You
are confusing AM with SSB.


Just to make sure that, in future, you check your theory before trying to get
technical, Google will archive your embarrassment for all to laugh at in the
years to come.


Regards,

Peter.
http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/

Malkavian

"Peter" <braìnbuster@lineone.net> wrote in message
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> "Magnum 2E0" <magnum@mag2781.freeserve.co.uk> wrote...
>> "Peter" <braìnbuster@lineone.net> wrote in message
>> news:45716b42.0@entanet...
>> > "Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote...
>> > >

>
> What I was after was to see what was going through the mind
> of "Malkavian", was he confusing AM with SSB?
> It seems that he was.

No. It happened on AM. No SSB would be impossible to dead key on too.
>
> SSB would stop dead keying, but the idiots would find something
> else. Like you say, music or raspberries.

Or tonebursts

>
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter.
> http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/
>
>
>

Malkavian

"Peter" <braìnbuster@lineone.net> wrote in message
news:457475c1.0@entanet...
> "zpk" <class_a_licensee_pkearn_12wpm@eircom.edu.net.co m> wrote...
>>
>> sadly, some on this newsgroup are completely clueless.
>
>
> Magnum makes no claim to be any more than a CBer, which requires no tech
> knowledge.
> Malkavian, who started this "AM has no carrier" crap, claims to have
> learned that rubbish from the RAE
> training.

That's because I did learn this "Crap" on the OLD RAE before it became a
free for all.

> Is that what they teach Amateurs now?

No, but it's what they taught amateurs then.

Anyone can teach amatuer now. Hell they'de probably even take you.


..
>
>
> zpk... clean up your own back yard.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter.
> http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/
>
>
>

Malkavian

"Peter" <braìnbuster@lineone.net> wrote in message
news:457475c0.0@entanet...
> "Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote...
>>
>> And if there is no amplitude there is no carrier which mean there is
>> no dead key. Thanks. You've just proved me correct.
>
> Rubbish,

Prove it.

>you really need to read up more.
> AM puts out a carrier. Key up your microphone, and out goes a carrier.

Not if the carrier is generated when you talk into the mic.

>
> Taking a 4 Watt AM CB:
> With no audio input, the output is 4 Watts dead carrier.
> With full audio input, 100% modulation, the carrier varies
> between 2 and 6 Watts in sympathy with the audio signal.

Of which most of that is used for the carrier but try dead keying over
someone on AM.

>
> The carrier is *needed* at the receiver. Without a carrier, it will not
> be
> able to demodulate the signal. If the carrier drops out at the received
> end, distortion will occur.

With SSB the carrier is inserted at the receiver, with AM the carrier is
transmitted at the transmitter end. This does not mean the carrier is
audable hence the expression Amplitude modulation.

>
>
> AM sidebands.
> Are you aware that ALL forms of modulation create sidebands?

CW doesn't

> Even FM creates sidebands. The difference is that FM side
> frequencies are not simply carrier +/- audio, they are far more
> complicated.

Yes and there are countless numbers of them.
>
>
> Generation of carrier:
> ALL transmitters - AM, FM and sideband - generate a carrier
> within the radio. Without a carrier, there can be no modulation
> or sidebands.
> FM sets modulate the frequency of that carrier, transmitting a carrier
> and Two sidebands.
> AM sets modulate the amplitude of the carrier (which should never drop
> to zero), transmitting a carrier and Two sidebands.
> SSB sets mix the carrier and audio in a balanced modulator. The balanced
> modulator suppresses the carrier, and the filter suppresses the
> unwanted
> sideband.
>

SSB Generates the carrier but doesn't transmit it BUT ther is scope for
transmitters to transmit a carrier and only ONE sideband. though I have
never seen such a transmitter.

> Reception.
> AM and FM receivers use the carrier to demodulate the signal.
> SSB sets create their own version of the carrier, using that to
> demodulate the signal.
>
>
>
>> Yes, I remember that lecture in the RAE course I did.
>
> Bloody 'ell, this is what they let through now?

Now? I'm talking about the RAE, not the kiddies exam they do now. Hel,
they'de even let you in.

> Remembering is one thing, understanding is something else.

Amatuer radio operators can't go by remembering alone. You should know that.
>
>
>> Thank you for the charming memory.
>
> Understanding the theory would be more useful to you
> than "charming" memories.

I understand Just fine
>
>
> If you still don't get it,

Whhere did I say that I don't get it

>try this simple test...
> A Standing Wave Ratio meter requires a carrier to drive it.
> No carrier = no meter movement = no reading possible.
> How come you can take the SWR reading with an AM CB?
> Duh.


It's apparent you don't understand so here's a simple test for you. Get two
operators with a similar setup and similar distance taking into account
hills, metalwork etc then get one to dead key while the other talks. See if
you hear.

deBaser

"Peter" <braìnbuster@lineone.net> wrote in message
news:457475c3.0@entanet...
> "Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote...
>>
>> "Peter" <braìnbuster@lineone.net> wrote...
>> > "Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote...
>> >>
>> >> That's a very sensible suggestion. Dead keying would be a thing of
>> >> thepast.
>> >
>> > Why would dead keying stop if we had AM only?
>>
>> Amlitute modulation. Dead keying doesn't work. The keyer would have to
>> shout
>> down the mic or play music just to generate the carier.
>
> Just what I thought you would say, go read up on your theory.
> Am AM transmitter can send a silent carrier as well as an FM one. You
> are confusing AM with SSB.
>
>
> Just to make sure that, in future, you check your theory before trying to
> get
> technical, Google will archive your embarrassment for all to laugh at in
> the
> years to come.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter.
> http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/
>
>
>

Well said Peter. Malkavian has been in my killfile for talking crap.

Andy

zpk

"Peter" <braìnbuster@lineone.net> wrote:

> zpk... clean up your own back yard.

excuse me, me good man.... where do you obtain the authority to tell me
what to do ?

HammerChewer

"Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:eu_ch.3951$Os5.2371@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>
> "Peter" <braìnbuster@lineone.net> wrote in message
> news:457475c2.0@entanet...
>> "Magnum 2E0" <magnum@mag2781.freeserve.co.uk> wrote...
>>> "Peter" <braìnbuster@lineone.net> wrote in message
>>> news:45716b42.0@entanet...
>>> > "Malkavian" <a4bedaser@ntlworld.com> wrote...
>>> > >
>
>>
>> What I was after was to see what was going through the mind
>> of "Malkavian", was he confusing AM with SSB?
>> It seems that he was.
>
> No. It happened on AM. No SSB would be impossible to dead key on too.
>>
>> SSB would stop dead keying, but the idiots would find something
>> else. Like you say, music or raspberries.
>
> Or tonebursts
>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Peter.
>> http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/
>>
>>
>>
>
>

As I said "Utter Bollocks"