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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:06:20 +0100, ©¿© <icecool@isis232.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:58:56 +0100, Paul {Hamilton Rooney}
><craig@oilfield.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:38:58 +0100, ©¿© <icecool@isis232.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:30:50 +0100, ©¿© <icecool@isis232.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:28:41 +0100, ©¿© <icecool@isis232.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:12:43 +0100, ©¿© <icecool@isis232.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:52:31 +0100, Paul {Hamilton Rooney}
>>>>>><craig@oilfield.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:41:24 +0100, "Jim Webster"
>>>>>>><Jim@websterpagespabank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Paul {Hamilton Rooney}" <craig@oilfield.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:hr7bf2pvi9e7cg92n0pbcgrcq1ckd6qahf@4a x.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:58:44 +0100, "Jim Webster"
>>>>>>>>> <Jim@websterpagespabank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >"Paul {Hamilton Rooney}" <craig@oilfield.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> >news:i72bf25qam02ku192bpdib8h2dtk5eulud@4ax.com.. .
>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:18:16 +0100, "Jim Webster"
>>>>>>>>> >> <Jim@websterpagespabank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >"Paul {Hamilton Rooney}" <craig@oilfield.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> >> >news:g60bf2pde3e1ae9pm48cterco66a3ocb95@4ax.com.. .
>>>>>>>>> >> >> On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:11:31 +0100, "Jim Webster"
>>>>>>>>> >> >> <Jim@websterpagespabank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >"Paul {Hamilton Rooney}" <craig@oilfield.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >news:srvaf2hi7jl4bbtdjm2k9akq9evrp0khl0@4ax.com.. .
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:55:55 +0100, Malcolm
>>>>>>>>> >> ><Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> A simple answer to a straight question would suffice: did you
>>>>>>>>> >> >acknowledge
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Konter's work in your book?
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >so you haven't actually read both books?
>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> I haven't read either, Jim. Grebes aren't my thing. >
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >so without reading either book you accuse someone of copying?
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> So without reading any messages you accuse someone of accusing someone
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>> >> copying?
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Noted - no response.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >so you haven't read his book then, that's all I wanted to establish.
>>>>>>>>> >I now know what value to put on your opinion of the issue
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What issue? As far as I can tell the only issue under discussion is
>>>>>>>>> Malcolm's claim to have written the first ever book on grebes. Did you
>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>> some other issue in mind?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>well you seem to be accusing him of copying someone elses book.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bollocks, Jim. Try reading before jumping in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If not then fair enough, but it does seem a strange accusation to make if
>>>>>>>>you haven't read both books.
>>>>>>>>Also he might be correct, his may be the first attempt to write a definitive
>>>>>>>>book on grebes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No. That was André Konter's book, which was sitting on Malcolm's shelf
>>>>>>>while he typed his claim (-:
>>>>>
>>>>>More interesting quotes on Ogilvies false claim...
>>>>>
>>>>> 8888888888888888888888888
>>>>>
>>>>>> You are making yourself look foolish. The book on Grebes by Andre
>>>>>> Konter that was published in 2001 was entitled 'Grebes of OUR World'.
>>>>>> My book, published only this month, is entitled 'Grebes of THE World',
>>>>>> and as such is entirely different. The similarity of the front covers
>>>>>> is quite coincidental. My book IS the first ever devoted to Grebes.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Malcolm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>KONTER (Andre) - Grebes of our World. Visiting all Species on Five
>>>>>Continents - 2001, 8vo. 187pp. Colour photographs, line drawings. A
>>>>>description of the 22 species of grebes, their natural history,
>>>>>ecology
>>>>>and behaviour.
>>>>>
>>>>>Grebes of the World
>>>>>Malcolm Ogilvie
>>>>>The book starts with an authoritative introduction on the origin,
>>>>>evolution, distribution, physiology and behaviour of grebes, followed
>>>>>by
>>>>>accounts of each of the 22 species
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Malcolm it looks as though Konter might dispute that statement!
>>>>>
>>>>>Rob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 8888888888888888888888888888888888888
>>>>
>>>>To which Ogilvie replied presently
>>>>
>>>>"Yes, indeed, what I said was wrong and I apologise to Andre Konter, "
>>>>
>>>>LOL
>>>
>>>
>>>And his claim for a first again
>>>
>>>Tues, Nov 26 2002 3:08 pm
>>>"Then, today, a parcel arrives and there are copies of the finished
>>>book
>>>in its dust jacket to handle and admire. And I can appreciate the two
>>>dozen colour plates together for the first time and realise that it
>>>was
>>>worthwhile writing the text to accompany them and so help to produce
>>>the
>>>first book ever devoted to this particular group of birds. "
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>Oh, it's all so confusing! Is Malcolm now going to claim that his book was
>>at the publisher when Konter's book appeared? If so, why is he implying
>>that it was during the research stage that he decided Konter's book wasn't
>>important?
>>
>>Or is he Googling furiously?
>
>I think he'll most certainly be abusing some substances or other at
>this stage!