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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:58:56 +0100, Paul {Hamilton Rooney}
<craig@oilfield.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:38:58 +0100, ©¿© <icecool@isis232.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:30:50 +0100, ©¿© <icecool@isis232.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:28:41 +0100, ©¿© <icecool@isis232.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:12:43 +0100, ©¿© <icecool@isis232.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:52:31 +0100, Paul {Hamilton Rooney}
>>>>><craig@oilfield.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:41:24 +0100, "Jim Webster"
>>>>>><Jim@websterpagespabank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Paul {Hamilton Rooney}" <craig@oilfield.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:hr7bf2pvi9e7cg92n0pbcgrcq1ckd6qahf@4ax .com...
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:58:44 +0100, "Jim Webster"
>>>>>>>> <Jim@websterpagespabank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >"Paul {Hamilton Rooney}" <craig@oilfield.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> >news:i72bf25qam02ku192bpdib8h2dtk5eulud@4ax.com.. .
>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:18:16 +0100, "Jim Webster"
>>>>>>>> >> <Jim@websterpagespabank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >"Paul {Hamilton Rooney}" <craig@oilfield.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> >> >news:g60bf2pde3e1ae9pm48cterco66a3ocb95@4ax.com.. .
>>>>>>>> >> >> On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:11:31 +0100, "Jim Webster"
>>>>>>>> >> >> <Jim@websterpagespabank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> >"Paul {Hamilton Rooney}" <craig@oilfield.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> >> >> >news:srvaf2hi7jl4bbtdjm2k9akq9evrp0khl0@4ax.com.. .
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:55:55 +0100, Malcolm
>>>>>>>> >> ><Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> A simple answer to a straight question would suffice: did you
>>>>>>>> >> >acknowledge
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Konter's work in your book?
>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> >so you haven't actually read both books?
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> I haven't read either, Jim. Grebes aren't my thing. >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >so without reading either book you accuse someone of copying?
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> So without reading any messages you accuse someone of accusing someone
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>> >> copying?
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Noted - no response.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >so you haven't read his book then, that's all I wanted to establish.
>>>>>>>> >I now know what value to put on your opinion of the issue
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What issue? As far as I can tell the only issue under discussion is
>>>>>>>> Malcolm's claim to have written the first ever book on grebes. Did you
>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>> some other issue in mind?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>well you seem to be accusing him of copying someone elses book.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bollocks, Jim. Try reading before jumping in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If not then fair enough, but it does seem a strange accusation to make if
>>>>>>>you haven't read both books.
>>>>>>>Also he might be correct, his may be the first attempt to write a definitive
>>>>>>>book on grebes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No. That was André Konter's book, which was sitting on Malcolm's shelf
>>>>>>while he typed his claim (-:
>>>>
>>>>More interesting quotes on Ogilvies false claim...
>>>>
>>>> 8888888888888888888888888
>>>>
>>>>> You are making yourself look foolish. The book on Grebes by Andre
>>>>> Konter that was published in 2001 was entitled 'Grebes of OUR World'.
>>>>> My book, published only this month, is entitled 'Grebes of THE World',
>>>>> and as such is entirely different. The similarity of the front covers
>>>>> is quite coincidental. My book IS the first ever devoted to Grebes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Malcolm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>KONTER (Andre) - Grebes of our World. Visiting all Species on Five
>>>>Continents - 2001, 8vo. 187pp. Colour photographs, line drawings. A
>>>>description of the 22 species of grebes, their natural history,
>>>>ecology
>>>>and behaviour.
>>>>
>>>>Grebes of the World
>>>>Malcolm Ogilvie
>>>>The book starts with an authoritative introduction on the origin,
>>>>evolution, distribution, physiology and behaviour of grebes, followed
>>>>by
>>>>accounts of each of the 22 species
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Malcolm it looks as though Konter might dispute that statement!
>>>>
>>>>Rob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 8888888888888888888888888888888888888
>>>
>>>To which Ogilvie replied presently
>>>
>>>"Yes, indeed, what I said was wrong and I apologise to Andre Konter, "
>>>
>>>LOL
>>
>>
>>And his claim for a first again
>>
>>Tues, Nov 26 2002 3:08 pm
>>"Then, today, a parcel arrives and there are copies of the finished
>>book
>>in its dust jacket to handle and admire. And I can appreciate the two
>>dozen colour plates together for the first time and realise that it
>>was
>>worthwhile writing the text to accompany them and so help to produce
>>the
>>first book ever devoted to this particular group of birds. "
>>
>>
>
>
>Oh, it's all so confusing! Is Malcolm now going to claim that his book was
>at the publisher when Konter's book appeared? If so, why is he implying
>that it was during the research stage that he decided Konter's book wasn't
>important?
>
>Or is he Googling furiously?