Proof here,as animals are skinned alive. - Calls for China fur ban as animal cruelty exposed .

Proof here,as animals are skinned alive. - Calls for China fur ban as
animal cruelty exposed . - GRAPHIC WARNING!! HELP

The full HORRIFIC video can be seen here. Please use ADULT CAUTION in
the presence of children.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

http://www.peta2.com/takecharge/swf/fur_farm.swf

-----------------------------------------------------------
Full report by
Dennis Chong

Animal rights groups have called for an embargo on fur produced on the
mainland in light of an investigation that exposed the daily
operations of Chinese fur farms - with video footage showing animals
skinned alive.

Shocked local and international activists say the findings provide new
evidence that people of conscience should not wear fur, and that the
legitimacy of the fur trade in Hong Kong - one of the mainland's major
partners re-exporting 80 percent of its fur - should be reviewed.

The calls came after the 2005 Hong Kong International Fur and Fashion
Fair ended on Monday, which local fur dealers heralded as evidence of
strong growth in demand for Hong Kong fur products.

A total of 172 exhibitors, including 72 from 13 countries,
participated in the four-day event.

But the video footage - which shows batteries of animals trapped in
cage rows and a raccoon dog, hung on its hind legs, being skinned - is
fast gaining attention with digitalized video clips being circulated
rapidly over the Internet.

The investigation's findings re-freshed the decade-long battle between
activists and the multibillion-dollar business, with local dealers
rebuffing the probe as over-generalizing the situation and one that
``will not help to improve animal welfare.''

Swiss Animal Protection, Britain's Care for the Wild and East
International jointly conducted a probe into the mainland fur farming
business last year and recently released a 15-page report.

The investigation, for which undercover activists visited several
farms in the northeastern Hebei province, holding from 50 to 6,000
animals, found ``animals were universally handled roughly and confined
to rows of inappropriate, small wire cages.''

``Animals are stunned with repeated blows to the head or swung against
the ground,'' the report says.

``Starting from the hind legs, workers then wrench the animals' skin
from their suspended bodies, until it comes off over the head ... a
significant number of animals remain fully conscious during this
process.''

Calling the findings ``horrendous,'' the three groups called on the
mainland to immediately outlaw inhumane slaughtering methods and the
European Parliament to ban the import of products made of mainland
fur.

The report also states Hong Kong is the biggest exporter of mainland
fur, taking 80 percent of the trade.

``I am at a loss to explain what goes through the mind of those people
who do not care if they have killed an animal or just rendered it
unconscious. How can you justify skinning an animal while it is still
conscious?'' asked Mark Rissi, a Swiss Animal Protection campaigner
and an author of the report.

He said the findings have spurred outrage in Switzerland with three
department store chains stopping the sale of textiles with fur
trimmings originating from China.

Cynthia Su, director of London-based East International, declined to
say how the investigators entered the farms, only saying it was made
possible through ``international efforts'' and that the videos were
shot inside the farms.

Hong Kong Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals' deputy
director, Fiona Woodhouse, said ``a large amount of the world's fur
productions have effectively relocated to China where cheap labor and
lack of regulations have allowed production to become more
cost-effective.''

About 85 percent of the world's fur items originate from farms. While
Scandinavian and Eastern European farms have taken the brunt of
accusations, the burgeoning mainland sector is receiving growing
attention as it starts to dominate the world's market.

``Sensationalized campaigns are not the solution,'' the Hong Kong Fur
Federation said in response to the report.

While a growing number of mainland fur farmers are introducing
``Western standards,'' it said, the report's conclusion provides a
``sweeping generalization'' about the situation in China.

The federation also refutes the claim that the majority of fur
produced in Chinese farms is exported overseas, saying the vast
majority of exported fur products are made of European or North
American skins, and that items produced locally are for domestic use.

It says the key to improving animal welfare is to allow access of
local fur products to the international market and improve the
livelihood of fur farmers.

Despite several approaches by The Standard, the federation refused to
elaborate on its statement and clarify Hong Kong's role in handling
mainland fur - given pelts undergo a number of processes, often in
various countries, before reaching consumers.

According to mainland Customs, which was quoted in the report, the net
volume of fur imports and exports in China hit US$997.6 million
(HK$7.8 billion) in 2003, up 42.5 percent from the previous year.

While more than 95 percent of the fur clothing is sold overseas, 80
percent of the trade is handled by the SAR, the report says. Hong Kong
exports in the sector hit HK$3 billion last year, a growth of 31
percent from 2003.

http://www.careforthewild.com/files/..._paginated.pdf

Swiss Animal Protection SAP
http://www.animal-protection.net/fur..._fur_china.pdf

Photographs
See some of more then 500 photos from inside China´s fur farms.
http://www.animal-protection.net/

HSUS
http://tinyurl.com/8xc58

Fir is dead.
http://www.furisdead.com/feat/ChineseFurFarms/

Colin wrote:
> Proof here,as animals are skinned alive. - Calls for China fur ban as
> animal cruelty exposed . - GRAPHIC WARNING!! HELP
>
>
>
> The full HORRIFIC video can be seen here. Please use ADULT CAUTION in
> the presence of children.
>
> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>
> http://www.peta2.com/takecharge/swf/fur_farm.swf
>
>
You are posting to the wrong group. Motorists here, who dominate this
NG, don't give a damn about animals and condemn those concerned with
animal rights as 'terrrorists'. They also don't care at all about road
kills of animals and consider them a good thing which saves on culling.

--
UK Radical Campaigns
www.zing.icom43.net
"The car, more of a toilet than a convenience".

iiiiDougiiii wrote:
> Colin wrote:
>
>> The full HORRIFIC video can be seen here. Please use ADULT CAUTION in
>
> You are posting to the wrong group. Motorists here, who dominate this
> NG, don't give a damn about animals

Oh yes motorists do care about animals .... or can you prove your statement?

> and condemn those concerned with animal rights as 'terrrorists'

Those condemned as 'terrorists' are those who have been caught and
charged as such ... or can you prove your statement?

> They also don't care at all about road kills of animals

Untrue ... or can you prove your statement?

> and consider them a good thing which saves on culling.

In certain circumstance this could be a vaild argument, but not, as you
well know, for all animals killed on the roads.

Of course, you don't actually read the truth do you? You just cherry
pick some remarks and take others completely out of context.

--
The Caretaker .........

This thread has been cross posted. PLEASE PLEASE note the newsgroups to
which you are sending your replies (in the "To" or "Newsgroups" field of
your message editor) and delete all those except the ones you are subscribed
to.

Thanks

David (posting from
uk.rec.natural-history)

"The Caretaker" <the_caretaker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:44EC20F6.8020306@hotmail.com...
> iiiiDougiiii wrote:
>> Colin wrote:
>>
>>> The full HORRIFIC video can be seen here. Please use ADULT CAUTION in
>>
>> You are posting to the wrong group. Motorists here, who dominate this
>> NG, don't give a damn about animals
>
> Oh yes motorists do care about animals .... or can you prove your
> statement?
>
>> and condemn those concerned with animal rights as 'terrrorists'
>
> Those condemned as 'terrorists' are those who have been caught and charged
> as such ... or can you prove your statement?
>
>> They also don't care at all about road kills of animals
>
> Untrue ... or can you prove your statement?
>
> > and consider them a good thing which saves on culling.
>
> In certain circumstance this could be a vaild argument, but not, as you
> well know, for all animals killed on the roads.
>
> Of course, you don't actually read the truth do you? You just cherry pick
> some remarks and take others completely out of context.
>
> --
> The Caretaker .........

iiiiDougiiii wrote:
> Colin wrote:
> > Proof here,as animals are skinned alive. - Calls for China fur ban as
> > animal cruelty exposed . - GRAPHIC WARNING!! HELP
> >
> >
> >
> > The full HORRIFIC video can be seen here. Please use ADULT CAUTION in
> > the presence of children.
> >
> > OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
> >
> > http://www.peta2.com/takecharge/swf/fur_farm.swf
> >
> >
> You are posting to the wrong group. Motorists here, who dominate this
> NG, don't give a damn about animals and condemn those concerned with
> animal rights as 'terrrorists'. They also don't care at all about road
> kills of animals and consider them a good thing which saves on culling.
>
and you're wasting your breath talking to Doug, his history of violence
towards animals is also here for all to see.

Fod

The Caretaker wrote:
> iiiiDougiiii wrote:
> > Colin wrote:
> >
> >> The full HORRIFIC video can be seen here. Please use ADULT CAUTION in
> >
> > You are posting to the wrong group. Motorists here, who dominate this
> > NG, don't give a damn about animals
>
> Oh yes motorists do care about animals .... or can you prove your statement?

its about as true as "Doug is an animal killer who actively goes out
armed in case he needs to hurt an animal"

you can twist things into "facts" to make it seem true but as Doug will
no doubt point out about mine its not really true. Dougy does like to
try and make the arguments he keeps lossing by logic emotive to try and
make it sound like he has the moral high ground.

I'm personally not sure he has morals what with his past stance of
supporting people who threatened an old lady and some kids.

Fod

David Lee wrote:
> This thread has been cross posted. PLEASE PLEASE note the newsgroups to
> which you are sending your replies (in the "To" or "Newsgroups" field of
> your message editor) and delete all those except the ones you are subscribed
> to.
>
> Thanks
>
> David (posting from
> uk.rec.natural-history)

I apologise unreservedly.

I _know_ it's cross-posted 'cos it's mostly, IMHO, emotive drivel and
I've seen it in many other newsgroups. I simply forgot/didn't check/cba
to remove the other groups.

I believe this should now only go to u.t, my subscribed group for whom
I've set follow-ups (I think) and u.r.n-h from where the complaint
originated.

--
The Caretaker .........

On 22 Aug 2006 23:51:29 -0700, "iiiiDougiiii" <doug@zing.icom43.net>
wrote:

>You are posting to the wrong group. Motorists here, who dominate this
>NG, don't give a damn about animals and condemn those concerned with
>animal rights as 'terrrorists'. They also don't care at all about road
>kills of animals and consider them a good thing which saves on culling.

Village.

>"The car, more of a toilet than a convenience".

Then you are where you obviously belong.

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Colin	Proof here,as animals are skinned alive. - Calls for China fur ban as animal cruelty exposed . - GRAPHIC WARNING!! HELP.nnnnnnuuuu Proof here,as animals are skinned alive. - Calls for China fur ban as animal cruelty exposed . - GRAPHIC WARNING!! HELP The full HORRIFIC video can be seen here. Please use ADULT CAUTION in the presence of children. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO http://www.peta2.com/takecharge/swf/fur_farm.swf ----------------------------------------------------------- Full report by Dennis Chong Animal rights groups have called for an embargo on fur produced on the mainland in light of an investigation that exposed the daily operations of Chinese fur farms - with video footage showing animals skinned alive. Shocked local and international activists say the findings provide new evidence that people of conscience should not wear fur, and that the legitimacy of the fur trade in Hong Kong - one of the mainland's major partners re-exporting 80 percent of its fur - should be reviewed. The calls came after the 2005 Hong Kong International Fur and Fashion Fair ended on Monday, which local fur dealers heralded as evidence of strong growth in demand for Hong Kong fur products. A total of 172 exhibitors, including 72 from 13 countries, participated in the four-day event. But the video footage - which shows batteries of animals trapped in cage rows and a raccoon dog, hung on its hind legs, being skinned - is fast gaining attention with digitalized video clips being circulated rapidly over the Internet. The investigation's findings re-freshed the decade-long battle between activists and the multibillion-dollar business, with local dealers rebuffing the probe as over-generalizing the situation and one that ``will not help to improve animal welfare.'' Swiss Animal Protection, Britain's Care for the Wild and East International jointly conducted a probe into the mainland fur farming business last year and recently released a 15-page report. The investigation, for which undercover activists visited several farms in the northeastern Hebei province, holding from 50 to 6,000 animals, found ``animals were universally handled roughly and confined to rows of inappropriate, small wire cages.'' ``Animals are stunned with repeated blows to the head or swung against the ground,'' the report says. ``Starting from the hind legs, workers then wrench the animals' skin from their suspended bodies, until it comes off over the head ... a significant number of animals remain fully conscious during this process.'' Calling the findings ``horrendous,'' the three groups called on the mainland to immediately outlaw inhumane slaughtering methods and the European Parliament to ban the import of products made of mainland fur. The report also states Hong Kong is the biggest exporter of mainland fur, taking 80 percent of the trade. ``I am at a loss to explain what goes through the mind of those people who do not care if they have killed an animal or just rendered it unconscious. How can you justify skinning an animal while it is still conscious?'' asked Mark Rissi, a Swiss Animal Protection campaigner and an author of the report. He said the findings have spurred outrage in Switzerland with three department store chains stopping the sale of textiles with fur trimmings originating from China. Cynthia Su, director of London-based East International, declined to say how the investigators entered the farms, only saying it was made possible through ``international efforts'' and that the videos were shot inside the farms. Hong Kong Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals' deputy director, Fiona Woodhouse, said ``a large amount of the world's fur productions have effectively relocated to China where cheap labor and lack of regulations have allowed production to become more cost-effective.'' About 85 percent of the world's fur items originate from farms. While Scandinavian and Eastern European farms have taken the brunt of accusations, the burgeoning mainland sector is receiving growing attention as it starts to dominate the world's market. ``Sensationalized campaigns are not the solution,'' the Hong Kong Fur Federation said in response to the report. While a growing number of mainland fur farmers are introducing ``Western standards,'' it said, the report's conclusion provides a ``sweeping generalization'' about the situation in China. The federation also refutes the claim that the majority of fur produced in Chinese farms is exported overseas, saying the vast majority of exported fur products are made of European or North American skins, and that items produced locally are for domestic use. It says the key to improving animal welfare is to allow access of local fur products to the international market and improve the livelihood of fur farmers. Despite several approaches by The Standard, the federation refused to elaborate on its statement and clarify Hong Kong's role in handling mainland fur - given pelts undergo a number of processes, often in various countries, before reaching consumers. According to mainland Customs, which was quoted in the report, the net volume of fur imports and exports in China hit US$997.6 million (HK$7.8 billion) in 2003, up 42.5 percent from the previous year. While more than 95 percent of the fur clothing is sold overseas, 80 percent of the trade is handled by the SAR, the report says. Hong Kong exports in the sector hit HK$3 billion last year, a growth of 31 percent from 2003. http://www.careforthewild.com/files/..._paginated.pdf Swiss Animal Protection SAP http://www.animal-protection.net/fur..._fur_china.pdf Photographs See some of more then 500 photos from inside China´s fur farms. http://www.animal-protection.net/ HSUS http://tinyurl.com/8xc58 Fir is dead. http://www.furisdead.com/feat/ChineseFurFarms/

	#2
iiiiDougiiii	Re: Proof here,as animals are skinned alive. - Calls for China fur ban as animal cruelty exposed . - GRAPHIC WARNING!! HELP.nnnnnnuuuu Colin wrote: > Proof here,as animals are skinned alive. - Calls for China fur ban as > animal cruelty exposed . - GRAPHIC WARNING!! HELP > > > > The full HORRIFIC video can be seen here. Please use ADULT CAUTION in > the presence of children. > > OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO > > http://www.peta2.com/takecharge/swf/fur_farm.swf > > You are posting to the wrong group. Motorists here, who dominate this NG, don't give a damn about animals and condemn those concerned with animal rights as 'terrrorists'. They also don't care at all about road kills of animals and consider them a good thing which saves on culling. -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net "The car, more of a toilet than a convenience".

	#3
The Caretaker	Re: Proof here,as animals are skinned alive. - Calls for China furban as animal cruelty exposed . - GRAPHIC WARNING!! HELP.nnnnnnuuuu iiiiDougiiii wrote: > Colin wrote: > >> The full HORRIFIC video can be seen here. Please use ADULT CAUTION in > > You are posting to the wrong group. Motorists here, who dominate this > NG, don't give a damn about animals Oh yes motorists do care about animals .... or can you prove your statement? > and condemn those concerned with animal rights as 'terrrorists' Those condemned as 'terrorists' are those who have been caught and charged as such ... or can you prove your statement? > They also don't care at all about road kills of animals Untrue ... or can you prove your statement? > and consider them a good thing which saves on culling. In certain circumstance this could be a vaild argument, but not, as you well know, for all animals killed on the roads. Of course, you don't actually read the truth do you? You just cherry pick some remarks and take others completely out of context. -- The Caretaker .........

	#4
David Lee	Re: Proof here,as animals are skinned alive. - Calls for China fur ban as animal cruelty exposed . - GRAPHIC WARNING!! HELP.nnnnnnuuuu This thread has been cross posted. PLEASE PLEASE note the newsgroups to which you are sending your replies (in the "To" or "Newsgroups" field of your message editor) and delete all those except the ones you are subscribed to. Thanks David (posting from uk.rec.natural-history) "The Caretaker" <the_caretaker@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:44EC20F6.8020306@hotmail.com... > iiiiDougiiii wrote: >> Colin wrote: >> >>> The full HORRIFIC video can be seen here. Please use ADULT CAUTION in >> >> You are posting to the wrong group. Motorists here, who dominate this >> NG, don't give a damn about animals > > Oh yes motorists do care about animals .... or can you prove your > statement? > >> and condemn those concerned with animal rights as 'terrrorists' > > Those condemned as 'terrorists' are those who have been caught and charged > as such ... or can you prove your statement? > >> They also don't care at all about road kills of animals > > Untrue ... or can you prove your statement? > > > and consider them a good thing which saves on culling. > > In certain circumstance this could be a vaild argument, but not, as you > well know, for all animals killed on the roads. > > Of course, you don't actually read the truth do you? You just cherry pick > some remarks and take others completely out of context. > > -- > The Caretaker .........

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The Caretaker	Apology David Lee wrote: > This thread has been cross posted. PLEASE PLEASE note the newsgroups to > which you are sending your replies (in the "To" or "Newsgroups" field of > your message editor) and delete all those except the ones you are subscribed > to. > > Thanks > > David (posting from > uk.rec.natural-history) I apologise unreservedly. I _know_ it's cross-posted 'cos it's mostly, IMHO, emotive drivel and I've seen it in many other newsgroups. I simply forgot/didn't check/cba to remove the other groups. I believe this should now only go to u.t, my subscribed group for whom I've set follow-ups (I think) and u.r.n-h from where the complaint originated. -- The Caretaker .........

	#8
©¿©	Re: Proof here,as animals are skinned alive. - Calls for China fur ban as animal cruelty exposed . - GRAPHIC WARNING!! HELP.nnnnnnuuuu On 22 Aug 2006 23:51:29 -0700, "iiiiDougiiii" <doug@zing.icom43.net> wrote: >You are posting to the wrong group. Motorists here, who dominate this >NG, don't give a damn about animals and condemn those concerned with >animal rights as 'terrrorists'. They also don't care at all about road >kills of animals and consider them a good thing which saves on culling. Village. >"The car, more of a toilet than a convenience". Then you are where you obviously belong.