Malcolm

Michael Saunby was recently found hanging in an outside karzi, because
this dropped on his doorstep with the morning post.

RIP Michael.



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http://www.banhunting.org/page.asp?unitid=695&skip=1

Dear Supporter,

The CPHA is today celebrating the end of hunting with dogs following
the vote by MPs on Monday night on amendments to the government’s
Hunting Bill.

An amendment tabled by Tony Banks MP with the support of 153 other MPs
finally delivers what the CPHA has been working towards for many
years.

“The cruelty of hunting with dogs is unacceptable in modern society
and the vote this evening means that the House of Commons has
signalled a total end to this barbaric activity. We welcome this
wholeheartedly,” said Phyllis Campbell-McRae, UK Director of IFAW.

She continued, “The Government has made a firm commitment to allow
this legislation to be enacted and we fully expect it to meet its
promise to end the cruelty of hunting with dogs.”

The Government also gave assurances that the Bill would receive the
necessary changes in time for the Parliament Act to come into force in
November 2004.

The CPHA thanked MPs of all parties who voted for the total ban.

Thank you for your support in helping to win this crucial stage of the
campaign!

Your friends at the CPHA


--




















So, you dont like reasoned,
well thought out, civil debate?

I understand.

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Charles Francis

In message <b0c8ee3324a1e0e06c99ddee589f7346@free.teranews.co m>, Malcolm
<Malcolm@malcsplace.com> writes
>
>The CPHA is today celebrating the end of hunting with dogs following
>the vote by MPs on Monday night on amendments to the government’s
>Hunting Bill.
>
>An amendment tabled by Tony Banks MP with the support of 153 other MPs
>finally delivers what the CPHA has been working towards for many
>years.
>
>“The cruelty of hunting with dogs is unacceptable in modern society
>and the vote this evening means that the House of Commons has
>signalled a total end to this barbaric activity. We welcome this
>wholeheartedly,� said Phyllis Campbell-McRae, UK Director of IFAW.

Perhaps attitudes will change as foxes eat a few more babies. After all,
townies leave food for them in the garden, why should a fox think a baby
any different.


Regards

--
Charles Francis

The Fourth Warrior

"Charles Francis" <charles@clef.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:m$ARyB0XzwB$Ewrt@clef.demon.co.uk...
> In message <b0c8ee3324a1e0e06c99ddee589f7346@free.teranews.co m>, Malcolm


> Perhaps attitudes will change as foxes eat a few more babies. After all,
> townies leave food for them in the garden, why should a fox think a baby
> any different.
>

Can you verify and authenticate that statement as you have implied that by
"eating a few more babies" that at least one has already been devoured by a
fox; where, and on what date and please can you supply any references?

When was the last baby killed in the British Isles or Europe by a fox,
vulpus vulpus?

Please write your answer in the space provided below and in plain English.





When was the last baby savaged by a fox, vulpus vulpus, in either the
British Isles or the Continent?

Please write your answer in the space provided below and in plain English.




Only two simple questions, so should not cause any problems for a straight
forward truthful answer from an educated person.

TFW

Zakhar

"The Fourth Warrior" <flat_cap@submersibles.com> wrote in message
news:be7h0c$635$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
>
> "The Fourth Warrior" <flat_cap@submersibles.com> wrote in message
> news:be78og$smg$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
> >
> > "Charles Francis" <charles@clef.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:m$ARyB0XzwB$Ewrt@clef.demon.co.uk...
> > > In message <b0c8ee3324a1e0e06c99ddee589f7346@free.teranews.co m>,
Malcolm
> >
> >
> > > Perhaps attitudes will change as foxes eat a few more babies. After
all,
> > > townies leave food for them in the garden, why should a fox think a
baby
> > > any different.
> > >
> >
> > Can you verify and authenticate that statement as you have implied that
by
> > "eating a few more babies" that at least one has already been devoured
by
> a
> > fox; where, and on what date and please can you supply any references?
> >
> > When was the last baby killed in the British Isles or Europe by a fox,
> > vulpus vulpus?
> >
> > Please write your answer in the space provided below and in plain
English.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > When was the last baby savaged by a fox, vulpus vulpus, in either the
> > British Isles or the Continent?
> >
> > Please write your answer in the space provided below and in plain
English.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Only two simple questions, so should not cause any problems for a
straight
> > forward truthful answer from an educated person.
> >
> > TFW
>
> I forgot to say that your silence and failure to answer in a reasonable
> matter will only cause right thinking people to conclude that you are
either
> a stranger to the truth or do not know your anus from your ulna.

I'd say he's a stranger to the truth AND dosn't know his anus from his ulna.


>
>

Jim Webster

"The Fourth Warrior" <flat_cap@submersibles.com> wrote in message
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>
> > >When was the last baby savaged by a fox, vulpus vulpus, in either the
> > >British Isles or the Continent?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2078419.stm


Jim Webster

Charles Francis

In message <be8m1i$mlg$1@hercules.btinternet.com>, The Fourth Warrior
<flat_cap@submersibles.com> writes
>
>"Charles Francis" <charles@clef.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:l23BAI9Li7B$Ew69@clef.demon.co.uk...
>> In message <be78og$smg$1@sparta.btinternet.com>, The Fourth Warrior
>> <flat_cap@submersibles.com> writes
>> >
>> >"Charles Francis" <charles@clef.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >news:m$ARyB0XzwB$Ewrt@clef.demon.co.uk...
>> >> In message <b0c8ee3324a1e0e06c99ddee589f7346@free.teranews.co m>,
>Malcolm
>> >
>> >
>> >> Perhaps attitudes will change as foxes eat a few more babies. After
>all,
>> >> townies leave food for them in the garden, why should a fox think a
>baby
>> >> any different.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Can you verify and authenticate that statement as you have implied that
>by
>> >"eating a few more babies" that at least one has already been devoured
>by a
>> >fox; where, and on what date and please can you supply any references?
>> >
>> >When was the last baby killed in the British Isles or Europe by a fox,
>> >vulpus vulpus?
>> >
>> >Please write your answer in the space provided below and in plain
>English.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >When was the last baby savaged by a fox, vulpus vulpus, in either the
>> >British Isles or the Continent?
>> >
>> >Please write your answer in the space provided below and in plain
>English.
>> >
>>
>> I saw it reported in the newspaper that a fox had savaged a baby in an
>> English town, I would think about six months ago, but could be longer.
>>
>
>And the date, place and time of this alleged attack was and in which paper
>did it appear?
>
>That's only four simple questions, do you think you could manage all four
>questions without being so vague; how come you can speak with such authority
>regarding the alleged death of babies at the jaws of foxes and up to now
>cannot reference your statements with any conviction, do you not consider
>that you leave grave doubt in the minds of your readers by the clarity and
>depth of your relies?

I read it while lunching in Somerfields, where papers are provided for
the customers. I cannot remember in which paper, or the date. You should
of course treat anything I say on this as hearsay evidence, just as you
should treat everything on the net as hearsay evidence, and it is in
that manner in which I write, not from authority. A google search gave
me the following report from the BBC news, which is probably about as
reliable as you can get

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2078419.stm

It was from July 2002, and very likely refers to the same attack.



Regards

--
Charles Francis

Derry Argue

Charles Francis <charles@clef.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:GuCJWJKex+B$EwOa@clef.demon.co.uk:

> In message <be8m1i$mlg$1@hercules.btinternet.com>, The Fourth Warrior
> <flat_cap@submersibles.com> writes
>>
>>"Charles Francis" <charles@clef.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:l23BAI9Li7B$Ew69@clef.demon.co.uk...
>>> In message <be78og$smg$1@sparta.btinternet.com>, The Fourth Warrior
>>> <flat_cap@submersibles.com> writes
>>> >
>>> >"Charles Francis" <charles@clef.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> >news:m$ARyB0XzwB$Ewrt@clef.demon.co.uk...
>>> >> In message <b0c8ee3324a1e0e06c99ddee589f7346@free.teranews.co m>,
>>Malcolm
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Perhaps attitudes will change as foxes eat a few more babies.
>>> >> After
>>all,
>>> >> townies leave food for them in the garden, why should a fox think
>>> >> a
>>baby
>>> >> any different.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >Can you verify and authenticate that statement as you have implied
>>> >that
>>by
>>> >"eating a few more babies" that at least one has already been
>>> >devoured
>>by a
>>> >fox; where, and on what date and please can you supply any
>>> >references?
>>> >
>>> >When was the last baby killed in the British Isles or Europe by a
>>> >fox, vulpus vulpus?
>>> >
>>> >Please write your answer in the space provided below and in plain
>>English.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >When was the last baby savaged by a fox, vulpus vulpus, in either
>>> >the British Isles or the Continent?
>>> >
>>> >Please write your answer in the space provided below and in plain
>>English.
>>> >
>>>
>>> I saw it reported in the newspaper that a fox had savaged a baby in
>>> an English town, I would think about six months ago, but could be
>>> longer.
>>>
>>
>>And the date, place and time of this alleged attack was and in which
>>paper did it appear?
>>
>>That's only four simple questions, do you think you could manage all
>>four questions without being so vague; how come you can speak with
>>such authority regarding the alleged death of babies at the jaws of
>>foxes and up to now cannot reference your statements with any
>>conviction, do you not consider that you leave grave doubt in the
>>minds of your readers by the clarity and depth of your relies?
>
> I read it while lunching in Somerfields, where papers are provided for
> the customers. I cannot remember in which paper, or the date. You
> should of course treat anything I say on this as hearsay evidence,
> just as you should treat everything on the net as hearsay evidence,
> and it is in that manner in which I write, not from authority. A
> google search gave me the following report from the BBC news, which is
> probably about as reliable as you can get
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2078419.stm
>
> It was from July 2002, and very likely refers to the same attack.
>
>
>
> Regards
>

As a fox can kill a live healthy lamb up to 10kgs in weight, I can see no
reason why one should not attack a small child -- assuming erosion of the
threshold as is occurring in a lot of UK cities.

Derry

The Fourth Warrior

"Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:be8pot$2cl$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "The Fourth Warrior" <flat_cap@submersibles.com> wrote in message
> news:be8m1i$mlg$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> >
> > > >When was the last baby savaged by a fox, vulpus vulpus, in either
the
> > > >British Isles or the Continent?
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2078419.stm

I notice the story was not properly authenticated by any third parties, not
that I am saying the sketchy evidence could not have been given by a member
of the pro hunt lobby or an attention seeker; either would be the type of
person to put forward a story such as this.

I notice no one gave the other part of that news item which was as follows:

' But Trevor Williams, director of the Fox Project based in nearby
Tunbridge, said this was the first case of its kind that he had heard of. He
said: "I'm absolutely convinced we are looking at a concussed or brain
damaged animal to act in this way. "I would suggest that once it got in it
may be attracted by the movement from the baby and perhaps made a tentative
bite and perhaps went a bit further, who knows? "I would not consider this
an attack at all. That indicates something vicious and wild and ferocious".
'

Taken from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2078419.stm as a reference and
which was written by the BBC who did an excellent job of being even handed
unlike so many of the unreasoned arguments raging on this thread.

TFW

Jim Webster

"The Fourth Warrior" <flat_cap@submersibles.com> wrote in message
news:be953b$nia$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
>
> "Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:be8pot$2cl$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> > "The Fourth Warrior" <flat_cap@submersibles.com> wrote in message
> > news:be8m1i$mlg$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> > >
> > > > >When was the last baby savaged by a fox, vulpus vulpus, in either
> the
> > > > >British Isles or the Continent?
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2078419.stm
>
> I notice the story was not properly authenticated by any third parties,

look if you don't want to believe it because it doesn't coincide with your
preconceptions just say so, we'll all understand

Jim Webster

The Fourth Warrior

"Charles Francis" <charles@clef.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:GuCJWJKex+B$EwOa@clef.demon.co.uk...
> In message <be8m1i$mlg$1@hercules.btinternet.com>, The Fourth Warrior
> <flat_cap@submersibles.com> writes
> >
> >"Charles Francis" <charles@clef.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:l23BAI9Li7B$Ew69@clef.demon.co.uk...
> >> In message <be78og$smg$1@sparta.btinternet.com>, The Fourth Warrior
> >> <flat_cap@submersibles.com> writes
> >> >
> >> >"Charles Francis" <charles@clef.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> >news:m$ARyB0XzwB$Ewrt@clef.demon.co.uk...
> >> >> In message <b0c8ee3324a1e0e06c99ddee589f7346@free.teranews.co m>,
> >Malcolm
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Perhaps attitudes will change as foxes eat a few more babies. After
> >all,
> >> >> townies leave food for them in the garden, why should a fox think a
> >baby
> >> >> any different.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Can you verify and authenticate that statement as you have implied
that
> >by
> >> >"eating a few more babies" that at least one has already been
devoured
> >by a
> >> >fox; where, and on what date and please can you supply any references?
> >> >
> >> >When was the last baby killed in the British Isles or Europe by a fox,
> >> >vulpus vulpus?
> >> >
> >> >Please write your answer in the space provided below and in plain
> >English.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >When was the last baby savaged by a fox, vulpus vulpus, in either the
> >> >British Isles or the Continent?
> >> >
> >> >Please write your answer in the space provided below and in plain
> >English.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I saw it reported in the newspaper that a fox had savaged a baby in an
> >> English town, I would think about six months ago, but could be longer.
> >>
> >
> >And the date, place and time of this alleged attack was and in which
paper
> >did it appear?
> >
> >That's only four simple questions, do you think you could manage all four
> >questions without being so vague; how come you can speak with such
authority
> >regarding the alleged death of babies at the jaws of foxes and up to now
> >cannot reference your statements with any conviction, do you not consider
> >that you leave grave doubt in the minds of your readers by the clarity
and
> >depth of your relies?
>
> I read it while lunching in Somerfields, where papers are provided for
> the customers. I cannot remember in which paper, or the date. You should
> of course treat anything I say on this as hearsay evidence, just as you
> should treat everything on the net as hearsay evidence, and it is in
> that manner in which I write, not from authority. A google search gave
> me the following report from the BBC news, which is probably about as
> reliable as you can get
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2078419.stm
>
> It was from July 2002, and very likely refers to the same attack.
>

Thank you. Now if the same research and reasoning was given to many of the
comments here perhaps there would be a better and more fruitful discussion
on the subject. I have very grave doubts and other reservations on the
actual source of the story, I do not mean the the piece by the BBC, one must
remember there are people who will do anything to either get their faces on
television or their names in the Newspapers.

Undoubtedly the pros and cons of this controversy will rage on for a long
time. Please don't spill too much of each others' blood. )

TFW

The Fourth Warrior

"Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:be95bb$cb6$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "The Fourth Warrior" <flat_cap@submersibles.com> wrote in message
> news:be953b$nia$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
> >
> > "Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:be8pot$2cl$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > >
> > > "The Fourth Warrior" <flat_cap@submersibles.com> wrote in message
> > > news:be8m1i$mlg$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> > > >
> > > > > >When was the last baby savaged by a fox, vulpus vulpus, in
either
> > the
> > > > > >British Isles or the Continent?
> > >
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2078419.stm
> >
> > I notice the story was not properly authenticated by any third parties,
>
> look if you don't want to believe it because it doesn't coincide with your
> preconceptions just say so, we'll all understand
>

Unlike yourself I only deal in facts everyday of the week and have learnt to
be unbias'd!

Just think for a moment; if the fox had been brought to Court for causing
grievous bodily harm what evidence would you have wanted to see to convict
the fox of that crime beyond any reasonable doubt. The evidence that I've
seen is sadly lacking in substance and appears to be mostly hearsay which
you will find is inadmissible in Court but apparently not on this "Thread".
Equally importantly what type of hard evidence would you be satisfied with
under the same circumstances to prove the innocence of the fox should be
intelligent enough to defend the creature ?

Sorry, perhaps I shouldn't ask difficult questions.......................

TFW

Jim Webster

"The Fourth Warrior" <flat_cap@submersibles.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:be95bb$cb6$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> > "The Fourth Warrior" <flat_cap@submersibles.com> wrote in message
> > news:be953b$nia$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
> > >
> > > "Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > news:be8pot$2cl$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > >
> > > > "The Fourth Warrior" <flat_cap@submersibles.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:be8m1i$mlg$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > > >When was the last baby savaged by a fox, vulpus vulpus, in
> either
> > > the
> > > > > > >British Isles or the Continent?
> > > >
> > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2078419.stm
> > >
> > > I notice the story was not properly authenticated by any third
parties,
> >
> > look if you don't want to believe it because it doesn't coincide with
your
> > preconceptions just say so, we'll all understand
> >
>
> Unlike yourself I only deal in facts everyday of the week and have learnt
to
> be unbias'd!

wow, and what do you do for a living. From your description you seem to
assume I am a party politician

Jim Webster

Malcolm

In article <be9auf$pqo$1@hercules.btinternet.com>, The Fourth Warrior
<flat_cap@submersibles.com> writes
>
>"Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:be95bb$cb6$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>
>> "The Fourth Warrior" <flat_cap@submersibles.com> wrote in message
>> news:be953b$nia$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
>> >
>> > "Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > news:be8pot$2cl$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> > >
>> > > "The Fourth Warrior" <flat_cap@submersibles.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:be8m1i$mlg$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
>> > > >
>> > > > > >When was the last baby savaged by a fox, vulpus vulpus, in
>either
>> > the
>> > > > > >British Isles or the Continent?
>> > >
>> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2078419.stm
>> >
>> > I notice the story was not properly authenticated by any third parties,
>>
>> look if you don't want to believe it because it doesn't coincide with your
>> preconceptions just say so, we'll all understand
>>
>
>Unlike yourself I only deal in facts everyday of the week and have learnt to
>be unbias'd!
>
>Just think for a moment; if the fox had been brought to Court for causing
>grievous bodily harm what evidence would you have wanted to see to convict
>the fox of that crime beyond any reasonable doubt. The evidence that I've
>seen is sadly lacking in substance and appears to be mostly hearsay which
>you will find is inadmissible in Court but apparently not on this "Thread".
>Equally importantly what type of hard evidence would you be satisfied with
>under the same circumstances to prove the innocence of the fox should be
>intelligent enough to defend the creature ?
>
>Sorry, perhaps I shouldn't ask difficult questions.......................
>
Why on earth do you think the questions are difficult? Going along with
your somewhat unlikely scenario, if the fox had been caught then
obviously the evidence anyone would have wanted to see to convict the
fox would have been DNA linking it to the attack on the baby.

The fox wasn't caught. End of your scenario!

--
Malcolm

Charles Francis

In message <be953b$nia$1@sparta.btinternet.com>, The Fourth Warrior
<flat_cap@submersibles.com> writes

>I notice no one gave the other part of that news item which was as
follows:

I will now.

>' But Trevor Williams, director of the Fox Project based in nearby
>Tunbridge, said this was the first case of its kind that he had heard of. He
>said: "I'm absolutely convinced we are looking at a concussed or brain
>damaged animal to act in this way. "I would suggest that once it got in it
>may be attracted by the movement from the baby and perhaps made a tentative
>bite and perhaps went a bit further, who knows? "I would not consider this
>an attack at all. That indicates something vicious and wild and ferocious".

I found this an incongruous remark; I don't recall it from the previous
report in the paper.

In message <Xns93B082AB06FE3derryadviegundogscou@130.133.1.4> , Derry
Argue <derry@adviegundogs.co.uk> writes
>
>As a fox can kill a live healthy lamb up to 10kgs in weight, I can see no
>reason why one should not attack a small child -- assuming erosion of the
>threshold as is occurring in a lot of UK cities.

I'm inclined to agree with Derry. Foxes are opportunist killers. I would
have said this was entirely in keeping with fox behaviour, a tentative
bite to see if it is worthwhile prey, to be followed by a kill all going
well. In this case thankfully the fox was disturbed before that
happened.




Regards

--
Charles Francis

Michael Saunby

"Charles Francis" <charles@clef.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:t2+DQGJgpGC$EwTM@clef.demon.co.uk...
> In message <be953b$nia$1@sparta.btinternet.com>, The Fourth Warrior
> <flat_cap@submersibles.com> writes
>
> >I notice no one gave the other part of that news item which was as
> follows:
>
> I will now.
>
> >' But Trevor Williams, director of the Fox Project based in nearby
> >Tunbridge, said this was the first case of its kind that he had heard
of. He
> >said: "I'm absolutely convinced we are looking at a concussed or brain
> >damaged animal to act in this way. "I would suggest that once it got in
it
> >may be attracted by the movement from the baby and perhaps made a
tentative
> >bite and perhaps went a bit further, who knows? "I would not consider
this
> >an attack at all. That indicates something vicious and wild and
ferocious".
>
> I found this an incongruous remark; I don't recall it from the previous
> report in the paper.
>
> In message <Xns93B082AB06FE3derryadviegundogscou@130.133.1.4> , Derry
> Argue <derry@adviegundogs.co.uk> writes
> >
> >As a fox can kill a live healthy lamb up to 10kgs in weight, I can see
no
> >reason why one should not attack a small child -- assuming erosion of
the
> >threshold as is occurring in a lot of UK cities.
>
> I'm inclined to agree with Derry. Foxes are opportunist killers. I would
> have said this was entirely in keeping with fox behaviour, a tentative
> bite to see if it is worthwhile prey, to be followed by a kill all going
> well. In this case thankfully the fox was disturbed before that
> happened.
>
>

And this in an environment where foxes are persecuted (more foxes killed by
pest controllers in urban and suburban situations than by all the mounted
hunts in the UK). Imagine what it would be like if foxes were only killed
if they were proved to be a danger to human health, livestock, etc.

Though I must admit to being baffled as to why urban foxes need to be
killed. They don't present a risk to livestock in that situation and the
smell, nuisance, etc. can't be any worse than from the people.

Michael Saunby

BAC

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> "Jim Webster" <Jim@feeswerve.spam.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> > "The Fourth Warrior" <flat_cap@submersibles.com> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > > >When was the last baby savaged by a fox, vulpus vulpus, in either
> the
> > > > >British Isles or the Continent?
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2078419.stm
>
<snip>
>
> I notice no one gave the other part of that news item which was as
follows:
>
> ' But Trevor Williams, director of the Fox Project based in nearby
> Tunbridge, said this was the first case of its kind that he had heard of.
He
> said: "I'm absolutely convinced we are looking at a concussed or brain
> damaged animal to act in this way. "I would suggest that once it got in it
> may be attracted by the movement from the baby and perhaps made a
tentative
> bite and perhaps went a bit further, who knows? "I would not consider this
> an attack at all. That indicates something vicious and wild and
ferocious".
> '
>
> Taken from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2078419.stm as a reference
and
> which was written by the BBC who did an excellent job of being even handed
> unlike so many of the unreasoned arguments raging on this thread.
>

Be fair, Jim posted a reference to the entire news story, including Trevor
Williams' remarks. One thing seems clear - the risk of attacks by wild foxes
on human babies seems very small.

Jim Webster

"BAC" <casswalk@NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Be fair, Jim posted a reference to the entire news story, including Trevor
> Williams' remarks. One thing seems clear - the risk of attacks by wild
foxes
> on human babies seems very small.

yes most parents try and ensure that their babies are protected from dogs,
cats and other creatures.

Jim Webster