Re: The Dangers of Nociassociation!!!!

"Radium" wrote, amongst other things:
> My point is that inducing unconsciousness might prevent the
> surgery-patient from perceiving the suffering caused by his/her
> injuries but this does not prevent the subconscious elements of the
> nervous system from feeling the agony. The subconscious parts of the
> nervous system -- which are concerned with emotions and regulate the
> circulatory system -- can still feel the suffering caused by the
> nociception. As a result, the autonomic nervous system's control of the
> heart may go awry and cause lethal cardiac arrhythmias.
>
> This means, the subconscious parts of the nervous system must somehow
> be temporarily disconnected from pain perception prior and during the
> surgical operation.

Are you an anaesthetist? If not, I suggest you run this past one in case
this is complete bollocks.

Handy wrote:
> Are you an anaesthetist? If not, I suggest you run this past one in case
> this is complete bollocks.

In order for the surgery not to result in a likely-fatal
nociassociation, the patient's entire autonomic nervous system [and
their effectors], his/her heart's natural pacemaker, smooth muscles,
reflexes [all types; including reflexes not involved with the autonomic
nervous system], endocrine and hormonal systems must be rendered
totally unresponsive to the infliction of even the most excruciating
pain and totally unresponsive to any type of injury.

The best way to do this is to locally-anesthetize all sensory-receptors
and sensory nerves at the site of the operation before the surgery and
make sure they are completely numb throughout the surgery and for at
least 15 minutes after the surgery is complete. After 15 minutes the
sensory-receptors and sensory nerves at the affected site should be
allowed to *gradually* resume activity. It should take at least an
additional hour for these sensory receptors and nerves to regain
complete "wakefuleness". This will prevent the root-cause of
nociassociation.

Note: nociassociation is one of the major reasons that martial-arts
relies on pain-sensitive areas of the body as targets. This is how a
punch to the solar plexus can kill.

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Handy	Re: The Dangers of Nociassociation!!!! "Radium" wrote, amongst other things: > My point is that inducing unconsciousness might prevent the > surgery-patient from perceiving the suffering caused by his/her > injuries but this does not prevent the subconscious elements of the > nervous system from feeling the agony. The subconscious parts of the > nervous system -- which are concerned with emotions and regulate the > circulatory system -- can still feel the suffering caused by the > nociception. As a result, the autonomic nervous system's control of the > heart may go awry and cause lethal cardiac arrhythmias. > > This means, the subconscious parts of the nervous system must somehow > be temporarily disconnected from pain perception prior and during the > surgical operation. Are you an anaesthetist? If not, I suggest you run this past one in case this is complete bollocks.

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Radium	Re: The Dangers of Nociassociation!!!! Handy wrote: > Are you an anaesthetist? If not, I suggest you run this past one in case > this is complete bollocks. In order for the surgery not to result in a likely-fatal nociassociation, the patient's entire autonomic nervous system [and their effectors], his/her heart's natural pacemaker, smooth muscles, reflexes [all types; including reflexes not involved with the autonomic nervous system], endocrine and hormonal systems must be rendered totally unresponsive to the infliction of even the most excruciating pain and totally unresponsive to any type of injury. The best way to do this is to locally-anesthetize all sensory-receptors and sensory nerves at the site of the operation before the surgery and make sure they are completely numb throughout the surgery and for at least 15 minutes after the surgery is complete. After 15 minutes the sensory-receptors and sensory nerves at the affected site should be allowed to gradually resume activity. It should take at least an additional hour for these sensory receptors and nerves to regain complete "wakefuleness". This will prevent the root-cause of nociassociation. Note: nociassociation is one of the major reasons that martial-arts relies on pain-sensitive areas of the body as targets. This is how a punch to the solar plexus can kill.