Anyone seen Eusol being used recently

I was surprised to read in a recent posting on the Nursing Times Community
Forum that Eusol was being used in a hospital ward for wound desloughing. I
am curios to know whether anyone has seen it in use, or knows whether it is
stocked by your hospital pharmacy. It isn't listed in the BNF.

"Codswallop" <name@e-mail.net> wrote in message
news:455418ea@212.67.96.135...
>I was surprised to read in a recent posting on the Nursing Times Community
>Forum that Eusol was being used in a hospital ward for wound desloughing. I
>am curios to know whether anyone has seen it in use, or knows whether it is
>stocked by your hospital pharmacy. It isn't listed in the BNF.
>

AFAIK

Edinburgh University Solution of Lime has been banned from general use I
though

or is it just my Health Authority being wise -----Now that's a surprise

No not in BNF so not supposed to be available a all

On 2006-11-14 20:28:12 +0000, "Graham Wilson"
<FN73871@news.freenetname.co.uk> said:

>
> "Codswallop" <name@e-mail.net> wrote in message news:455418ea@212.67.96.135...
>> I was surprised to read in a recent posting on the Nursing Times
>> Community Forum that Eusol was being used in a hospital ward for wound
>> desloughing. I am curios to know whether anyone has seen it in use, or
>> knows whether it is stocked by your hospital pharmacy. It isn't listed
>> in the BNF.
>>
>
> AFAIK
>
> Edinburgh University Solution of Lime has been banned from general use I though

Was coïncidentaly just reading about it in Mike Walsh's excellent 1991
book "Nursing Ritual Research and Rational Actions" suggesting it's
banning 15 years ago...

kt.
--
I went to the butchers the other day and I bet him 50 quid that he
couldn't reach the meat off the top shelf.
And he said, 'no, the steaks are too high.'

"X Kyle M Thompson" wrote:
> Was coïncidentaly just reading about it in Mike Walsh's excellent 1991
> book "Nursing Ritual Research and Rational Actions" suggesting it's
> banning 15 years ago...

I wonder if Eusol is being confused with Eosin, an antiseptic that is
sometimes used for preventing wound infection.

"X Kyle M Thompson" wrote...
> banning 15 years ago...
>
> kt.

Certainly wasn't banned 10 years ago, and I suspect it's not today.

I saw a nurse sacked about 8 years ago for arguing with a surgeon about
using Eusol. She knew it was'bad' but had no idea what was bad about it.
BS-ing a consultant who's used it for 20 years was a little unwise;
especially in front of a patient.

I'm pretty sure the army still uses it, though my info may be 5 years out of
date - but there's plenty of argument s in favour of using it in certain
circumstances.

Never forget that Eusol *works* - and does not necessarily do any harm. It
has largely diasappeared from hospital usage not because it is 'bad' - but
because many other things are better.

There's a great article from Issue 1 of the Journal of Wound Care (1992)
which has some 100 references; the most thorough review I've ever seen (I
nearly got sacked for publishing it). There's been little research of note
since.

"Rituals In Nursing" tritely exposed it's misuse, but history has simply
repeated itself in reverse - now we 'don't use it' for no good reason,
equally ritualistic, and devoid of rationale.

Those days, you could argue (and we did); you shouldn't use Eusol until
you've read research that justifies the risk *in your circumstances*.

Today, you could argue just as powerfully, you shouldn't dismiss it, unless
you've read the relevant reseach.

They dissed leeches; they dissed honey, they dissed maggots ... all vital
parts of modern wound care, if you read the research ;o)

They also started a NEW RITUAL, of cleaning wounds with saline alone, and
people now do that, regardless of the type of wound, regardless of the local
skin contaminants, regardless of MRSA "because research says so". And you
could bet £1000 they haven't read the research ... Because I happen to know
that research *Does NOT* say so!! [Except for certain wound types in
certain conditions]
--
Andrew

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Nightingale
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Codswallop	Anyone seen Eusol being used recently I was surprised to read in a recent posting on the Nursing Times Community Forum that Eusol was being used in a hospital ward for wound desloughing. I am curios to know whether anyone has seen it in use, or knows whether it is stocked by your hospital pharmacy. It isn't listed in the BNF.

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Graham Wilson	Re: Anyone seen Eusol being used recently "Codswallop" <name@e-mail.net> wrote in message news:455418ea@212.67.96.135... >I was surprised to read in a recent posting on the Nursing Times Community >Forum that Eusol was being used in a hospital ward for wound desloughing. I >am curios to know whether anyone has seen it in use, or knows whether it is >stocked by your hospital pharmacy. It isn't listed in the BNF. > AFAIK Edinburgh University Solution of Lime has been banned from general use I though or is it just my Health Authority being wise -----Now that's a surprise No not in BNF so not supposed to be available a all

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X Kyle M Thompson	Re: Anyone seen Eusol being used recently On 2006-11-14 20:28:12 +0000, "Graham Wilson" <FN73871@news.freenetname.co.uk> said: > > "Codswallop" <name@e-mail.net> wrote in message news:455418ea@212.67.96.135... >> I was surprised to read in a recent posting on the Nursing Times >> Community Forum that Eusol was being used in a hospital ward for wound >> desloughing. I am curios to know whether anyone has seen it in use, or >> knows whether it is stocked by your hospital pharmacy. It isn't listed >> in the BNF. >> > > AFAIK > > Edinburgh University Solution of Lime has been banned from general use I though Was coïncidentaly just reading about it in Mike Walsh's excellent 1991 book "Nursing Ritual Research and Rational Actions" suggesting it's banning 15 years ago... kt. -- I went to the butchers the other day and I bet him 50 quid that he couldn't reach the meat off the top shelf. And he said, 'no, the steaks are too high.'

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Cats Whiskers	Re: Anyone seen Eusol being used recently "X Kyle M Thompson" wrote: > Was coïncidentaly just reading about it in Mike Walsh's excellent 1991 > book "Nursing Ritual Research and Rational Actions" suggesting it's > banning 15 years ago... I wonder if Eusol is being confused with Eosin, an antiseptic that is sometimes used for preventing wound infection.

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Andrew Heenan	Re: Anyone seen Eusol being used recently "X Kyle M Thompson" wrote... > banning 15 years ago... > > kt. Certainly wasn't banned 10 years ago, and I suspect it's not today. I saw a nurse sacked about 8 years ago for arguing with a surgeon about using Eusol. She knew it was'bad' but had no idea what was bad about it. BS-ing a consultant who's used it for 20 years was a little unwise; especially in front of a patient. I'm pretty sure the army still uses it, though my info may be 5 years out of date - but there's plenty of argument s in favour of using it in certain circumstances. Never forget that Eusol works - and does not necessarily do any harm. It has largely diasappeared from hospital usage not because it is 'bad' - but because many other things are better. There's a great article from Issue 1 of the Journal of Wound Care (1992) which has some 100 references; the most thorough review I've ever seen (I nearly got sacked for publishing it). There's been little research of note since. "Rituals In Nursing" tritely exposed it's misuse, but history has simply repeated itself in reverse - now we 'don't use it' for no good reason, equally ritualistic, and devoid of rationale. Those days, you could argue (and we did); you shouldn't use Eusol until you've read research that justifies the risk in your circumstances. Today, you could argue just as powerfully, you shouldn't dismiss it, unless you've read the relevant reseach. They dissed leeches; they dissed honey, they dissed maggots ... all vital parts of modern wound care, if you read the research ;o) They also started a NEW RITUAL, of cleaning wounds with saline alone, and people now do that, regardless of the type of wound, regardless of the local skin contaminants, regardless of MRSA "because research says so". And you could bet £1000 they haven't read the research ... Because I happen to know that research Does NOT say so!! [Except for certain wound types in certain conditions] -- Andrew Interviewer: Tonight I'm interviewing that famous nurse, Florence Nightingale Tommy Cooper (dressed as a nurse): It's Sir Florence Nightingale Interviewer: Sir Florence Nightingale? Tommy Cooper: I'm a Night Nurse. Campaign For The Real Tommy Cooper