UKMO has turned SE England into a red maelstrom

Hold on to yer last will and testaments the crimson tide is a coming
n -yawn.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/..._warnings.html

In article <010aff8a$0$1535$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
lawrence jenkins <lawrence13@sky.com> writes:
>Hold on to yer last will and testaments the crimson tide is a coming
>n -yawn.
>
>http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/..._warnings.html
>
>
Did you bother to read the accompanying text: "Scattered heavy
thunderstorms will bring torrential downpours to some places during this
afternoon and the first part of this evening. 15 to 20mm of rain is
possible, much of which could fall in a short space of time."

That seems entirely reasonable. Where I live in Surrey we've just had a
brief thundery shower, with very heavy rain for a short time. It didn't
last long enough to produce 15-20 mm, but we probably had 5mm or so.

The trouble is that many places will miss the rain, so that a broad
swath of red is rather misleading. Perhaps stippled red and green might
be better?
--
John Hall

"I am not young enough to know everything."
Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)

"John Hall" <nospam_nov03@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message
news:S5xVsHCRTjmGFwCc@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid...
> In article <010aff8a$0$1535$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
> lawrence jenkins <lawrence13@sky.com> writes:
>>Hold on to yer last will and testaments the crimson tide is a coming
>>n -yawn.
>>
>>http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/..._warnings.html
>>
>>
> Did you bother to read the accompanying text: "Scattered heavy
> thunderstorms will bring torrential downpours to some places during this
> afternoon and the first part of this evening. 15 to 20mm of rain is
> possible, much of which could fall in a short space of time."
>

Of course I read

"Scattered heavy thunderstorms will bring torrential downpours to some
places during this
afternoon and the first part of this evening. 15 to 20mm of rain is
possible, much of which could fall in a short space of time."

They just love turning the whole country red whether it be rain, fog, heat
or snow. No doubt soon there will be a red warning for boring weather. I can
see it now.

This is a boring weather alert: Many places could see exceedingly boring
weather in the next few hours, please be advised not to operate heavy
machinery,drive long distances without a break and be sure to carry an
anti-tedium pack in the boot of your vehicle.

Why even Patricia Hewwitt could make a come-back.

"The NHS has just come through one of the most boring winters in 240 years
since records began in 1914. When we have severe tedium in the weather
people tend to notice unimportant things like going into to hospital will
more then likely give you MRSA in the bone and blood tissues. Or if you are
elderly with no one to speak on ypur behalf people will notice you've been
left in you urine all day, you food is uneaten and your tablets are lying on
the floor.

Let me at this point stress that the tablets on the floor are not an issue
as they will be there the next day and probably the day after so they will
not be wasted-we want the assure the public that waste will be eliminated in
the NHS"

"lawrence jenkins" <lawrence13@sky.com> wrote in message
news:010b1a54$0$1630$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>

> Of course I read
>
> "Scattered heavy thunderstorms will bring torrential downpours to some
> places during this
> afternoon and the first part of this evening. 15 to 20mm of rain is
> possible, much of which could fall in a short space of time."
>
> They just love turning the whole country red whether it be rain, fog, heat
> or snow. No doubt soon there will be a red warning for boring weather. I
> can see it now.

They do seem to reach for the red crayon and start colouring in the
entire country like mad much more than they used to.
However they must surely know that in even the most severe event
only a relatively small proportion of the country is seriously affected.
For example there is a severe weather warning out at the moment
for NW England for heavy rain. And what happened?
We've had a few hours of light/moderate rain. Nothing remotely
approaching 'severe weather' in any way shape or form.
And the rain is clearing away now.

Met Office crying wolf as usual.
--
Col

Steal a spaceship and head for the sun,
Shoot the stars with a lemonade ray gun.

On Jul 15, 5:00 pm, "Col" <reddwarf...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> They do seem to reach for the red crayon and start colouring in the
> entire country like mad much more than they used to.

Unless they borrowed certain graphics programmes from a certain AL who
shall not be named. (May his teeth all fall out except the ones with
massive decay that give him problems sleeping and drive away all his
"friends" because of the septic smell of them.)

((That's not libel is it?))

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:10:49 -0700, Weatherlawyer
<Weatherlawyer@hotmail.com> wrote:

>(May his teeth all fall out except the ones with
>massive decay that give him problems sleeping and drive away all his
>"friends" because of the septic smell of them.)

Have you been watching 'Rome'?

--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather

"lawrence jenkins" <lawrence13@sky.com> wrote in message
news:010b1a54$0$1630$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>
> "John Hall" <nospam_nov03@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:S5xVsHCRTjmGFwCc@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid...
>> In article <010aff8a$0$1535$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
>> lawrence jenkins <lawrence13@sky.com> writes:
>>>Hold on to yer last will and testaments the crimson tide is a coming
>>>n -yawn.
>>>
>>>http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/..._warnings.html
>>>
>>>
>> Did you bother to read the accompanying text: "Scattered heavy
>> thunderstorms will bring torrential downpours to some places during this
>> afternoon and the first part of this evening. 15 to 20mm of rain is
>> possible, much of which could fall in a short space of time."
>>
>
> Of course I read
>
> "Scattered heavy thunderstorms will bring torrential downpours to some
> places during this
> afternoon and the first part of this evening. 15 to 20mm of rain is
> possible, much of which could fall in a short space of time."
>
> They just love turning the whole country red whether it be rain, fog, heat
> or snow. No doubt soon there will be a red warning for boring weather. I
> can see it now.
>
> This is a boring weather alert: Many places could see exceedingly boring
> weather in the next few hours, please be advised not to operate heavy
> machinery,drive long distances without a break and be sure to carry an
> anti-tedium pack in the boot of your vehicle.
>
> Why even Patricia Hewwitt could make a come-back.
>
> "The NHS has just come through one of the most boring winters in 240 years
> since records began in 1914. When we have severe tedium in the weather
> people tend to notice unimportant things like going into to hospital will
> more then likely give you MRSA in the bone and blood tissues. Or if you
> are elderly with no one to speak on ypur behalf people will notice you've
> been left in you urine all day, you food is uneaten and your tablets are
> lying on the floor.
>
> Let me at this point stress that the tablets on the floor are not an issue
> as they will be there the next day and probably the day after so they will
> not be wasted-we want the assure the public that waste will be eliminated
> in the NHS"
Oh well writen. Lets all get back to the cone and seaweed. I think the
billion pound computer has failed.
>
>
>
>

"Col" <reddwarfer2@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "lawrence jenkins" <lawrence13@sky.com> wrote in message
> news:010b1a54$0$1630$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>>
>
>> Of course I read
>>
>> "Scattered heavy thunderstorms will bring torrential downpours to some
>> places during this
>> afternoon and the first part of this evening. 15 to 20mm of rain is
>> possible, much of which could fall in a short space of time."
>>
>> They just love turning the whole country red whether it be rain, fog,
>> heat or snow. No doubt soon there will be a red warning for boring
>> weather. I can see it now.
>
> They do seem to reach for the red crayon and start colouring in the
> entire country like mad much more than they used to.
> However they must surely know that in even the most severe event
> only a relatively small proportion of the country is seriously affected.
> For example there is a severe weather warning out at the moment
> for NW England for heavy rain. And what happened?
> We've had a few hours of light/moderate rain. Nothing remotely
> approaching 'severe weather' in any way shape or form.
> And the rain is clearing away now.
>
> Met Office crying wolf as usual.
> --
>

I don't see what else they can do with regard to thunderstorms. Since it is
not possible to predict exactly which areas will get a torrential downpour
they either have to give a warning for a regional area, which inevitably
means a lot of people in the warning area will escape, or not bother, which
could cost lives if a severe event does occur and people are not prepared.
It is the same reason why US hurricane warnings are issued for stretches of
coastline about five times larger than the area that is ultimately affected
by the core.

It seems to be a feature of this countries population to constantly
criticise people who have to make difficult, but crucial decisions when I
suspect such people haven't a clue what it is like to actually be in that
situation in the first place.

On Jul 16, 12:01 am, "Adam Lea" <asr...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> "Col" <reddwarf...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:5fuukcF3e2akcU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "lawrence jenkins" <lawrenc...@sky.com> wrote in message
> >news:010b1a54$0$1630$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com. ..
>
> >> Of course I read
>
> >> "Scattered heavy thunderstorms will bring torrential downpours to some
> >> places during this
> >> afternoon and the first part of this evening. 15 to 20mm of rain is
> >> possible, much of which could fall in a short space of time."
>
> >> They just love turning the whole country red whether it be rain, fog,
> >> heat or snow. No doubt soon there will be a red warning for boring
> >> weather. I can see it now.
>
> > They do seem to reach for the red crayon and start colouring in the
> > entire country like mad much more than they used to.
> > However they must surely know that in even the most severe event
> > only a relatively small proportion of the country is seriously affected.
> > For example there is a severe weather warning out at the moment
> > for NW England for heavy rain. And what happened?
> > We've had a few hours of light/moderate rain. Nothing remotely
> > approaching 'severe weather' in any way shape or form.
> > And the rain is clearing away now.
>
> > Met Office crying wolf as usual.
> > --
>
> I don't see what else they can do with regard to thunderstorms. Since it is
> not possible to predict exactly which areas will get a torrential downpour
> they either have to give a warning for a regional area, which inevitably
> means a lot of people in the warning area will escape, or not bother, which
> could cost lives if a severe event does occur and people are not prepared.
> It is the same reason why US hurricane warnings are issued for stretches of
> coastline about five times larger than the area that is ultimately affected
> by the core.
>
> It seems to be a feature of this countries population to constantly
> criticise people who have to make difficult, but crucial decisions when I
> suspect such people haven't a clue what it is like to actually be in that
> situation in the first place.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well said. Everybody on this group, and quite a good
proportion of the general population, knows that areas that
experience torrential rain during a thundery outbreak are a small
fraction of the total area. All the forecasters can do is say "There
will be thunderstorms. If you are unlucky ( lucky?) enough to catch
one it may well be quite severe". There have been thunderstorms.
Down the pub tonight I was told of hail and torrential rain locally
yet I, 7 miles away, had no precipitation at all even though there was
quite a lot of thundery activity. It's true that the Met Office does
overdo the Severe Weather Warnings but they got this one right, at
least for the SE.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey, 556 ft.

Quoting from message
<1184545172.615510.160200@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups .com>
posted on 16 Jul 2007 by Tudor Hughes
I would like to add:

> Well said. Everybody on this group, and quite a good
> proportion of the general population, knows that areas that
> experience torrential rain during a thundery outbreak are a small
> fraction of the total area. All the forecasters can do is say "There
> will be thunderstorms. If you are unlucky ( lucky?) enough to catch
> one it may well be quite severe". There have been thunderstorms.
> Down the pub tonight I was told of hail and torrential rain locally
> yet I, 7 miles away, had no precipitation at all even though there was
> quite a lot of thundery activity. It's true that the Met Office does
> overdo the Severe Weather Warnings but they got this one right, at
> least for the SE.

Yebbut this area was scheduled for substantial precipitation during
the late afternoon/evening/night and we haven't had any yet (02.47.
BST).

--
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"Tudor Hughes" <tudorhgh@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1184545172.615510.160200@q75g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
> On Jul 16, 12:01 am, "Adam Lea" <asr...@btinternet.com> wrote:

>
> Well said. Everybody on this group, and quite a good
> proportion of the general population, knows that areas that
> experience torrential rain during a thundery outbreak are a small
> fraction of the total area. All the forecasters can do is say "There
> will be thunderstorms. If you are unlucky ( lucky?) enough to catch
> one it may well be quite severe". There have been thunderstorms.
> Down the pub tonight I was told of hail and torrential rain locally
> yet I, 7 miles away, had no precipitation at all even though there was
> quite a lot of thundery activity. It's true that the Met Office does
> overdo the Severe Weather Warnings but they got this one right, at
> least for the SE.

I am well aware of the fact that pinpointing the areas most at risk
from thunderstorms is fraught with difficulty and some generalisation
is necessary. However early on yesterday the *entire country* was
coloured red although this was revised later to remove Scotland &
Northern Ireland from the supossedly affected areas.
ISTM that colouring the entire map red is increasingly seen as the
safe option, in recent weeks I've seen it done for several days
on the trot.

Ironically for today there is no severe weather warning out for
NW England, yet there has just been a thunderstorm with rain
verging on the torrential here!

Now the sun is coming out there was an interesting rainbow
the end of which was clearly seen in the garden little more than
10 metres away. So close you could almost touch it....
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

"Col" <reddwarfer2@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5g1qu6F3e07bjU1@mid.individual.net...

> Ironically for today there is no severe weather warning out for
> NW England, yet there has just been a thunderstorm with rain
> verging on the torrential here!

Bear in mind the current criteria for the issue of warnings
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/..._warnings.html

If, for example, a storm is expected to move through at pace the flash
warning criteria may not be met.

Jon.

	#1
lawrence jenkins	UKMO has turned SE England into a red maelstrom Hold on to yer last will and testaments the crimson tide is a coming n -yawn. http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/..._warnings.html

	#2
John Hall	Re: UKMO has turned SE England into a red maelstrom In article <010aff8a$0$1535$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, lawrence jenkins <lawrence13@sky.com> writes: >Hold on to yer last will and testaments the crimson tide is a coming >n -yawn. > >http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/..._warnings.html > > Did you bother to read the accompanying text: "Scattered heavy thunderstorms will bring torrential downpours to some places during this afternoon and the first part of this evening. 15 to 20mm of rain is possible, much of which could fall in a short space of time." That seems entirely reasonable. Where I live in Surrey we've just had a brief thundery shower, with very heavy rain for a short time. It didn't last long enough to produce 15-20 mm, but we probably had 5mm or so. The trouble is that many places will miss the rain, so that a broad swath of red is rather misleading. Perhaps stippled red and green might be better? -- John Hall "I am not young enough to know everything." Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)

	#5
Weatherlawyer	Re: UKMO has turned SE England into a red maelstrom On Jul 15, 5:00 pm, "Col" <reddwarf...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > > They do seem to reach for the red crayon and start colouring in the > entire country like mad much more than they used to. Unless they borrowed certain graphics programmes from a certain AL who shall not be named. (May his teeth all fall out except the ones with massive decay that give him problems sleeping and drive away all his "friends" because of the septic smell of them.) ((That's not libel is it?))

	#6
Alan White	Re: UKMO has turned SE England into a red maelstrom On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:10:49 -0700, Weatherlawyer <Weatherlawyer@hotmail.com> wrote: >(May his teeth all fall out except the ones with >massive decay that give him problems sleeping and drive away all his >"friends" because of the septic smell of them.) Have you been watching 'Rome'? -- Alan White Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent. Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland. Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather

	#8
Adam Lea	Re: UKMO has turned SE England into a red maelstrom "Col" <reddwarfer2@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message news:5fuukcF3e2akcU1@mid.individual.net... > > "lawrence jenkins" <lawrence13@sky.com> wrote in message > news:010b1a54$0$1630$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... >> > >> Of course I read >> >> "Scattered heavy thunderstorms will bring torrential downpours to some >> places during this >> afternoon and the first part of this evening. 15 to 20mm of rain is >> possible, much of which could fall in a short space of time." >> >> They just love turning the whole country red whether it be rain, fog, >> heat or snow. No doubt soon there will be a red warning for boring >> weather. I can see it now. > > They do seem to reach for the red crayon and start colouring in the > entire country like mad much more than they used to. > However they must surely know that in even the most severe event > only a relatively small proportion of the country is seriously affected. > For example there is a severe weather warning out at the moment > for NW England for heavy rain. And what happened? > We've had a few hours of light/moderate rain. Nothing remotely > approaching 'severe weather' in any way shape or form. > And the rain is clearing away now. > > Met Office crying wolf as usual. > -- > I don't see what else they can do with regard to thunderstorms. Since it is not possible to predict exactly which areas will get a torrential downpour they either have to give a warning for a regional area, which inevitably means a lot of people in the warning area will escape, or not bother, which could cost lives if a severe event does occur and people are not prepared. It is the same reason why US hurricane warnings are issued for stretches of coastline about five times larger than the area that is ultimately affected by the core. It seems to be a feature of this countries population to constantly criticise people who have to make difficult, but crucial decisions when I suspect such people haven't a clue what it is like to actually be in that situation in the first place.

	#9
Tudor Hughes	Re: UKMO has turned SE England into a red maelstrom On Jul 16, 12:01 am, "Adam Lea" <asr...@btinternet.com> wrote: > "Col" <reddwarf...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message > > news:5fuukcF3e2akcU1@mid.individual.net... > > > > > > > > > "lawrence jenkins" <lawrenc...@sky.com> wrote in message > >news:010b1a54$0$1630$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com. .. > > >> Of course I read > > >> "Scattered heavy thunderstorms will bring torrential downpours to some > >> places during this > >> afternoon and the first part of this evening. 15 to 20mm of rain is > >> possible, much of which could fall in a short space of time." > > >> They just love turning the whole country red whether it be rain, fog, > >> heat or snow. No doubt soon there will be a red warning for boring > >> weather. I can see it now. > > > They do seem to reach for the red crayon and start colouring in the > > entire country like mad much more than they used to. > > However they must surely know that in even the most severe event > > only a relatively small proportion of the country is seriously affected. > > For example there is a severe weather warning out at the moment > > for NW England for heavy rain. And what happened? > > We've had a few hours of light/moderate rain. Nothing remotely > > approaching 'severe weather' in any way shape or form. > > And the rain is clearing away now. > > > Met Office crying wolf as usual. > > -- > > I don't see what else they can do with regard to thunderstorms. Since it is > not possible to predict exactly which areas will get a torrential downpour > they either have to give a warning for a regional area, which inevitably > means a lot of people in the warning area will escape, or not bother, which > could cost lives if a severe event does occur and people are not prepared. > It is the same reason why US hurricane warnings are issued for stretches of > coastline about five times larger than the area that is ultimately affected > by the core. > > It seems to be a feature of this countries population to constantly > criticise people who have to make difficult, but crucial decisions when I > suspect such people haven't a clue what it is like to actually be in that > situation in the first place.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well said. Everybody on this group, and quite a good proportion of the general population, knows that areas that experience torrential rain during a thundery outbreak are a small fraction of the total area. All the forecasters can do is say "There will be thunderstorms. If you are unlucky ( lucky?) enough to catch one it may well be quite severe". There have been thunderstorms. Down the pub tonight I was told of hail and torrential rain locally yet I, 7 miles away, had no precipitation at all even though there was quite a lot of thundery activity. It's true that the Met Office does overdo the Severe Weather Warnings but they got this one right, at least for the SE. Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey, 556 ft.

	#10
Elaine Jones	Re: UKMO has turned SE England into a red maelstrom Quoting from message <1184545172.615510.160200@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups .com> posted on 16 Jul 2007 by Tudor Hughes I would like to add: > Well said. Everybody on this group, and quite a good > proportion of the general population, knows that areas that > experience torrential rain during a thundery outbreak are a small > fraction of the total area. All the forecasters can do is say "There > will be thunderstorms. If you are unlucky ( lucky?) enough to catch > one it may well be quite severe". There have been thunderstorms. > Down the pub tonight I was told of hail and torrential rain locally > yet I, 7 miles away, had no precipitation at all even though there was > quite a lot of thundery activity. It's true that the Met Office does > overdo the Severe Weather Warnings but they got this one right, at > least for the SE. Yebbut this area was scheduled for substantial precipitation during the late afternoon/evening/night and we haven't had any yet (02.47. BST). -- ..ElaineJ. Briallen Gifts/Cards catalogue at http://www.briallen.co.uk ..Virtual. Corn Dollies, Cards, Coasters, Mousemats, Kids' Tshirts StrongArm Jones' Pages at http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ejones ..RISC PC. Corwen, North Wales; Steam Traction;CMMGB&Yukon Volunteers.

	#12
Jon O'Rourke	Re: UKMO has turned SE England into a red maelstrom "Col" <reddwarfer2@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message news:5g1qu6F3e07bjU1@mid.individual.net... > Ironically for today there is no severe weather warning out for > NW England, yet there has just been a thunderstorm with rain > verging on the torrential here! Bear in mind the current criteria for the issue of warnings http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/..._warnings.html If, for example, a storm is expected to move through at pace the flash warning criteria may not be met. Jon.