Sun temperatures

Good morning fellow sun lovers ,what a bleak and miserable morning this is
in southeast England,can't wait for you know what....... speaking of which
,did anybody else hear the item on the Today programme this morning about
the Sun being less hot now, which rules out any theory that the current
temperature rise is due to increasing solar heating ?
Which august body should we believe this week ?

RonB

On Jul 11, 11:34 am, "Ron Button" <ronbut...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Good morning fellow sun lovers ,what a bleak and miserable morning this is
> in southeast England,can't wait for you know what....... speaking of which
> ,did anybody else hear the item on the Today programme this morning about
> the Sun being less hot now, which rules out any theory that the current
> temperature rise is due to increasing solar heating ?
> Which august body should we believe this week ?

I think we should examine what July bodies have to say don't we? Never
mind the length, what fevered postillion rushed the matter into
existence so that the temperature could be taken?

Well, I've seen the new report. Not sure who did this research. Perhaps it
was the office Tea Boy at the Polar Bear Defence Authority.

Whoever carried out this research would seem to be at odds with all other
current thinking. Including that from the IPPC, which concurs that solar
varability is responsible for perhaps 25 percent of the supposed current
warming.

Paulus

On 11 Jul, 11:34, "Ron Button" <ronbut...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Good morning fellow sun lovers ,what a bleak and miserable morning this is
> in southeast England,can't wait for you know what....... speaking of which
> ,did anybody else hear the item on the Today programme this morning about
> the Sun being less hot now, which rules out any theory that the current
> temperature rise is due to increasing solar heating ?
> Which august body should we believe this week ?
>
> RonB

Read Joe Bastardis blog, concurred (from my limited knowledge) and
none of them have a scooby whats going on. watch this space, (or the
skies)

Incedentally bloody freezin' in knockholt this morning, could see my
breath!

On Jul 11, 11:34 am, "Ron Button" <ronbut...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Good morning fellow sun lovers ,what a bleak and miserable morning this is
> in southeast England,can't wait for you know what....... speaking of which
> ,did anybody else hear the item on the Today programme this morning about
> the Sun being less hot now, which rules out any theory that the current
> temperature rise is due to increasing solar heating ?
> Which august body should we believe this week ?
>
You should have heard the discourse on BBC Radio 5 about 08:40 this
morning. I suspect the "listen again" feature on the web will still
have the recording. Piers was arguing with a professor (sorry I cannot
recall the name) and the usual inability of the BBC to manage a debate
ensued.

<osvif@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1184166492.114051.86810@o61g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
> On Jul 11, 11:34 am, "Ron Button" <ronbut...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> Good morning fellow sun lovers ,what a bleak and miserable morning this
>> is
>> in southeast England,can't wait for you know what....... speaking of
>> which
>> ,did anybody else hear the item on the Today programme this morning about
>> the Sun being less hot now, which rules out any theory that the current
>> temperature rise is due to increasing solar heating ?
>> Which august body should we believe this week ?
>>
> You should have heard the discourse on BBC Radio 5 about 08:40 this
> morning. I suspect the "listen again" feature on the web will still
> have the recording. Piers was arguing with a professor (sorry I cannot
> recall the name) and the usual inability of the BBC to manage a debate
> ensued.
>
----------------------
Headline was "Sun not responsible for global warming" - well we all knew
that. It was the bloody Daily Mail!

Dave

The research was conducted by Dr Mike Lockwood from the UK's
Rutherford-Appleton Laboratory and Claus Froehlich from the World Radiation
Center in Switzerland.

Their findings are published in the Proceedings of the Royal Society A.
________________
Nick G
Otter Valley, Devon
83 m amsl
http://www.ottervalley.co.uk

On Jul 11, 11:34 am, "Ron Button" <ronbut...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Good morning fellow sun lovers ,what a bleak and miserable morning this is
> in southeast England,can't wait for you know what....... speaking of which
> ,did anybody else hear the item on the Today programme this morning about
> the Sun being less hot now, which rules out any theory that the current
> temperature rise is due to increasing solar heating ?
> Which august body should we believe this week ?
>
> RonB

What correlation is there between solar activity, i.e.
spottiness, and solar mean temperature? If the sun is less "active"
does that mean it is cooler, and if so by how much?

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

"paulus" <on@request.com> writes:

> Well, I've seen the new report. Not sure who did this research. Perhaps it
> was the office Tea Boy at the Polar Bear Defence Authority.
>
> Whoever carried out this research would seem to be at odds with all other
> current thinking. Including that from the IPPC, which concurs that solar
> varability is responsible for perhaps 25 percent of the supposed current
> warming.
>

No, the most recent paper is entirely compatible with the IPCC 4th assessment
report. The IPCC report says that solar forcing has amounted to 0.12 [0.06 to
0.30] W/m^2 since 1750, whereas total anthropogenic forcing has been 1.6 [0.6
to 2.4] W/m^2 since 1750. The Lockwood and Frohlich paper was considering
changes in solar forcing since 1985, and negative solar forcing since then is
compatible with a positive contribution since 1750. Most of the positive
contribution to global warming from the Sun took place in the first half of
the 20th century.

Cheers,

--
Richard Stamper |
E-mail : R.Stamper@rl.ac.uk | Space Science & Technology Department
Tel : +44 1235 446602 | Rutherford Appleton Laboratory
Fax : +44 1235 445848 | Chilton, Didcot, Oxon, OX11 0QX, UK.

	#1
Ron Button	Sun temperatures Good morning fellow sun lovers ,what a bleak and miserable morning this is in southeast England,can't wait for you know what....... speaking of which ,did anybody else hear the item on the Today programme this morning about the Sun being less hot now, which rules out any theory that the current temperature rise is due to increasing solar heating ? Which august body should we believe this week ? RonB

	#2
Weatherlawyer	Re: Sun temperatures On Jul 11, 11:34 am, "Ron Button" <ronbut...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Good morning fellow sun lovers ,what a bleak and miserable morning this is > in southeast England,can't wait for you know what....... speaking of which > ,did anybody else hear the item on the Today programme this morning about > the Sun being less hot now, which rules out any theory that the current > temperature rise is due to increasing solar heating ? > Which august body should we believe this week ? I think we should examine what July bodies have to say don't we? Never mind the length, what fevered postillion rushed the matter into existence so that the temperature could be taken?

	#3
paulus	Re: Sun temperatures Well, I've seen the new report. Not sure who did this research. Perhaps it was the office Tea Boy at the Polar Bear Defence Authority. Whoever carried out this research would seem to be at odds with all other current thinking. Including that from the IPPC, which concurs that solar varability is responsible for perhaps 25 percent of the supposed current warming. Paulus

	#4
Keith Wassell	Re: Sun temperatures On 11 Jul, 11:34, "Ron Button" <ronbut...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Good morning fellow sun lovers ,what a bleak and miserable morning this is > in southeast England,can't wait for you know what....... speaking of which > ,did anybody else hear the item on the Today programme this morning about > the Sun being less hot now, which rules out any theory that the current > temperature rise is due to increasing solar heating ? > Which august body should we believe this week ? > > RonB Read Joe Bastardis blog, concurred (from my limited knowledge) and none of them have a scooby whats going on. watch this space, (or the skies) Incedentally bloody freezin' in knockholt this morning, could see my breath!

	#5
osvif@my-deja.com	Re: Sun temperatures On Jul 11, 11:34 am, "Ron Button" <ronbut...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Good morning fellow sun lovers ,what a bleak and miserable morning this is > in southeast England,can't wait for you know what....... speaking of which > ,did anybody else hear the item on the Today programme this morning about > the Sun being less hot now, which rules out any theory that the current > temperature rise is due to increasing solar heating ? > Which august body should we believe this week ? > You should have heard the discourse on BBC Radio 5 about 08:40 this morning. I suspect the "listen again" feature on the web will still have the recording. Piers was arguing with a professor (sorry I cannot recall the name) and the usual inability of the BBC to manage a debate ensued.

	#6
Dave Cornwell	Re: Sun temperatures <osvif@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:1184166492.114051.86810@o61g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com... > On Jul 11, 11:34 am, "Ron Button" <ronbut...@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> Good morning fellow sun lovers ,what a bleak and miserable morning this >> is >> in southeast England,can't wait for you know what....... speaking of >> which >> ,did anybody else hear the item on the Today programme this morning about >> the Sun being less hot now, which rules out any theory that the current >> temperature rise is due to increasing solar heating ? >> Which august body should we believe this week ? >> > You should have heard the discourse on BBC Radio 5 about 08:40 this > morning. I suspect the "listen again" feature on the web will still > have the recording. Piers was arguing with a professor (sorry I cannot > recall the name) and the usual inability of the BBC to manage a debate > ensued. > ---------------------- Headline was "Sun not responsible for global warming" - well we all knew that. It was the bloody Daily Mail! Dave

	#7
Nick Gardner	Re: Sun temperatures The research was conducted by Dr Mike Lockwood from the UK's Rutherford-Appleton Laboratory and Claus Froehlich from the World Radiation Center in Switzerland. Their findings are published in the Proceedings of the Royal Society A. ________________ Nick G Otter Valley, Devon 83 m amsl http://www.ottervalley.co.uk

	#8
Tudor Hughes	Re: Sun temperatures On Jul 11, 11:34 am, "Ron Button" <ronbut...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Good morning fellow sun lovers ,what a bleak and miserable morning this is > in southeast England,can't wait for you know what....... speaking of which > ,did anybody else hear the item on the Today programme this morning about > the Sun being less hot now, which rules out any theory that the current > temperature rise is due to increasing solar heating ? > Which august body should we believe this week ? > > RonB What correlation is there between solar activity, i.e. spottiness, and solar mean temperature? If the sun is less "active" does that mean it is cooler, and if so by how much? Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

	#9
Richard Stamper	Re: Sun temperatures "paulus" <on@request.com> writes: > Well, I've seen the new report. Not sure who did this research. Perhaps it > was the office Tea Boy at the Polar Bear Defence Authority. > > Whoever carried out this research would seem to be at odds with all other > current thinking. Including that from the IPPC, which concurs that solar > varability is responsible for perhaps 25 percent of the supposed current > warming. > No, the most recent paper is entirely compatible with the IPCC 4th assessment report. The IPCC report says that solar forcing has amounted to 0.12 [0.06 to 0.30] W/m^2 since 1750, whereas total anthropogenic forcing has been 1.6 [0.6 to 2.4] W/m^2 since 1750. The Lockwood and Frohlich paper was considering changes in solar forcing since 1985, and negative solar forcing since then is compatible with a positive contribution since 1750. Most of the positive contribution to global warming from the Sun took place in the first half of the 20th century. Cheers, -- Richard Stamper \| E-mail : R.Stamper@rl.ac.uk \| Space Science & Technology Department Tel : +44 1235 446602 \| Rutherford Appleton Laboratory Fax : +44 1235 445848 \| Chilton, Didcot, Oxon, OX11 0QX, UK.