Boscastle Showers.

Take a look at the rainfall radar for 10:30-12:30.
www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/radar/index.html

It's amazing how often heavy showers break out in the Trevose Head or
Tintagel Head area and then drift up the N coast. Not even any
evidence of a sea breeze this time. (Sometimes the change in aspect of
the north coast at Trevose & Tintagel can cause the sea breeze to
converge against itself as well as a gradient wind).

I often think that severe weather warnings could be made more specific
by taking this sort of thing into account. During the day of the 2004
Boscastle flood the air was very unstable, there was a light gradient
southerly wind, and in Penzance thunder had been rumbling in the
distance off & on since 11:00. Once the north coast sea breeze set in
a weather warning should have been issued for the north Cornwall
coast. It was actually issued for the whole of Cornwall & the Isles of
Scilly, when the flood had already occured.

Graham
Penzance

On 16 Jul, 13:17, Graham Easterling
<gra...@easterling.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Take a look at the rainfall radar for 10:30-12:30.www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/radar/index.html
>
> It's amazing how often heavy showers break out in the Trevose Head or
> Tintagel Head area and then drift up the N coast. Not even any
> evidence of a sea breeze this time. (Sometimes the change in aspect of
> the north coast at Trevose & Tintagel can cause the sea breeze to
> converge against itself as well as a gradient wind).
>
> I often think that severe weather warnings could be made more specific
> by taking this sort of thing into account. During the day of the 2004
> Boscastle flood the air was very unstable, there was a light gradient
> southerly wind, and in Penzance thunder had been rumbling in the
> distance off & on since 11:00. Once the north coast sea breeze set in
> a weather warning should have been issued for the north Cornwall
> coast. It was actually issued for the whole of Cornwall & the Isles of
> Scilly, when the flood had already occured.
>
> Graham
> Penzance

As if to reinforce my point, the heavy rain (as far as the SW is
concerned) is still largely concentrate on the same strip of the north
coast, where it's been pouring for hours yet the weather warning,
finally issued 16:15', is for the whole of Devon, Cornwall & the Isles
of Scilly.
I'd have issued at at the time of my last post, for the specific area
affected.

Been a nice warm, fairly sunny day here.

Graham
Penzance

"Graham Easterling" <graham@easterling.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1184602404.111339.254970@q75g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
> On 16 Jul, 13:17, Graham Easterling
> <gra...@easterling.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > Take a look at the rainfall radar for
10:30-12:30.www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/radar/index.html
> >
> > It's amazing how often heavy showers break out in the Trevose Head or
> > Tintagel Head area and then drift up the N coast. Not even any
> > evidence of a sea breeze this time. (Sometimes the change in aspect of
> > the north coast at Trevose & Tintagel can cause the sea breeze to
> > converge against itself as well as a gradient wind).
> >
> > I often think that severe weather warnings could be made more specific
> > by taking this sort of thing into account. During the day of the 2004
> > Boscastle flood the air was very unstable, there was a light gradient
> > southerly wind, and in Penzance thunder had been rumbling in the
> > distance off & on since 11:00. Once the north coast sea breeze set in
> > a weather warning should have been issued for the north Cornwall
> > coast. It was actually issued for the whole of Cornwall & the Isles of
> > Scilly, when the flood had already occured.
> >
> > Graham
> > Penzance
>
> As if to reinforce my point, the heavy rain (as far as the SW is
> concerned) is still largely concentrate on the same strip of the north
> coast, where it's been pouring for hours yet the weather warning,
> finally issued 16:15', is for the whole of Devon, Cornwall & the Isles
> of Scilly.
> I'd have issued at at the time of my last post, for the specific area
> affected.
>
> Been a nice warm, fairly sunny day here.
>
> Graham
> Penzance
>

You make it all seem wonderfully easy Graham. Jon are you listening? :-)

Will
--

> You make it all seem wonderfully easy Graham. Jon are you listening? :-)
>
> Will
> --- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well I saw it coming this time, as I suspect many did. My point is not
that it's all very easy, but that warnings could & should be more
specific.

There are a number of contributers to USW who share this viewpoint.
There have been a number of recent threads on wearnings & nowcasts.

Graham
Penzance

> There have been a number of recent threads on wearnings & nowcasts.
>
> Graham
> Penzance

warnings even

"Graham Easterling" <graham@easterling.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1184611819.536459.225030@o61g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
> > There have been a number of recent threads on wearnings & nowcasts.
> >
> > Graham
> > Penzance
>
> warnings even
>
>

Don't worry I know you live in Cornwall :-)

Will
--

On Jul 16, 5:13 pm, Graham Easterling
<gra...@easterling.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> On 16 Jul, 13:17, Graham Easterling
>
>
>
> <gra...@easterling.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > Take a look at the rainfall radar for 10:30-12:30.www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/radar/index.html
>
> > It's amazing how often heavy showers break out in the Trevose Head or
> > Tintagel Head area and then drift up the N coast. Not even any
> > evidence of a sea breeze this time. (Sometimes the change in aspect of
> > the north coast at Trevose & Tintagel can cause the sea breeze to
> > converge against itself as well as a gradient wind).
>
> > I often think that severe weather warnings could be made more specific
> > by taking this sort of thing into account. During the day of the 2004
> > Boscastle flood the air was very unstable, there was a light gradient
> > southerly wind, and in Penzance thunder had been rumbling in the
> > distance off & on since 11:00. Once the north coast sea breeze set in
> > a weather warning should have been issued for the north Cornwall
> > coast. It was actually issued for the whole of Cornwall & the Isles of
> > Scilly, when the flood had already occured.
>
> > Graham
> > Penzance
>
> As if to reinforce my point, the heavy rain (as far as the SW is
> concerned) is still largely concentrate on the same strip of the north
> coast, where it's been pouring for hours yet the weather warning,
> finally issued 16:15', is for the whole of Devon, Cornwall & the Isles
> of Scilly.
> I'd have issued at at the time of my last post, for the specific area
> affected.
>
> Been a nice warm, fairly sunny day here.
>
> Graham
> Penzance

Not today
all been running parallel to the coast,frequent thunder from
13.00-18.30 with c-g(or should that be c-s) but stopped now,
just 1.1 mm rain

Don
Boscastle

>
> Not today
> all been running parallel to the coast,frequent thunder from
> 13.00-18.30 with c-g(or should that be c-s) but stopped now,
> just 1.1 mm rain

Very close though!

How long have you been recording rainfall at Boscastle?

If (or when!) you record anything significant I'd be very interested
to know. You can email me on the link at www.easterling.freeserve.co.uk/weather.html

Graham
Penzance

On Jul 16, 9:15 pm, Graham Easterling
<gra...@easterling.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Very close though!
>
> How long have you been recording rainfall at Boscastle?

1996-1998 in Crackington Haven
1998- Present in Boscastle

>
> If (or when!) you record anything significant I'd be very interested
> to know. You can email me on the link atwww.easterling.freeserve.co.uk/weather.html
>
> Graham
> Penzance

More than likely 'When'.
I'll let you know

Don
Boscastle

"Graham Easterling" <graham@easterling.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I'd have issued at at the time of my last post, for the specific area
> affected.

Something like : heavy showers and thunderstorms over adjacent waters might
lead to a slight rise in sea levels, perhaps ? ;-)

Jon.

> Something like : heavy showers and thunderstorms over adjacent waters might
> lead to a slight rise in sea levels, perhaps ? ;-)
>
> Jon.

Mmm
Sarcasm is sarcasm even with ;-) A bit like saying 'I don't wish to
be critical - but you're talking crap'

In my post I was talking about confining warnings to the areas where
there was a specific risk. The MetO warning covered the whole of
Devon, Cornwall & Scilly - where many places had a nice day (Proper
'andsome here).

There was a specific risk of heavy thunderstorms along the north coast
- fairly obvious from around 10:30 - which did develop. It was more by
luck than judgement that the convergence line was just offshore. (It
did look from the rainfall radar that the line was a bit more onshore
- indeed there were parts of the north Cornwall/Devon coast which did
get some heavy rain.)

My original post said:-

"It's amazing how often heavy showers break out in the Trevose Head
or
Tintagel Head area and then drift up the N coast."
(I've seen it happen often enough.)

and

"I often think that severe weather warnings could be made more
specific
by taking this sort of thing into account. "
(and I stand by that)

What I find a bit depressing is the apparent refusal of the MetO to
take any critical comments seriously, prefering a sort of
condescending defensiveness. I received a classic when I complained
about the 5 day CEEFAX forecast for Penzance - a time I actually got a
response. They said it was based on a grid position offshore, it was
the BBCs fault for using raw data, and the best thing for me to do was
ignore it. (Even though the MetO website was as bad).

Graham
Penzance

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:56:29 -0700, Graham Easterling
<graham@easterling.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>What I find a bit depressing is the apparent refusal of the MetO to
>take any critical comments seriously, prefering a sort of
>condescending defensiveness. I received a classic when I complained
>about the 5 day CEEFAX forecast for Penzance - a time I actually got a
>response. They said it was based on a grid position offshore, it was
>the BBCs fault for using raw data, and the best thing for me to do was
>ignore it. (Even though the MetO website was as bad).

You must realise, Graham, that these days it's presentation that's
important and that content is incidental.

The BBC is the same.

--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather

"Graham Easterling" <graham@easterling.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Sarcasm is sarcasm even with ;-) A bit like saying 'I don't wish to
> be critical - but you're talking crap'
>
> In my post I was talking about confining warnings to the areas where
> there was a specific risk. The MetO warning covered the whole of
> Devon, Cornwall & Scilly - where many places had a nice day (Proper
> 'andsome here).

Apologies if it came over that way, Graham. It had been a long day..

IIRC the risk of flash-able rainfall intentionally covered an area larger
than that which you highlighted. The nature of the convective rainfall we've
had lately will often result in many places having fine weather while other
relatively close locations will take a hammering. I think this has been
highlighted several times.

> What I find a bit depressing is the apparent refusal of the MetO to
> take any critical comments seriously, prefering a sort of
> condescending defensiveness.

All I can say is that's not true and any comments and feedback are taken
very seriously and that efforts are continually being made to improve
products and services where possible.

Jon.

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:43:29 +0100, "Jon O'Rourke"
<jon_orourke@hotmail.com> wrote:

>All I can say is that's not true and any comments and feedback are taken
>very seriously and that efforts are continually being made to improve
>products and services where possible.

In that case can the MO apply pressure to the BBC to smarten up its act
and can they please reply to those who e-mailed them regarding the
pre-1914 lack of records.

--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:43:29 +0100, "Jon O'Rourke"
<jon_orourke@hotmail.com> wrote:

>All I can say is that's not true and any comments and feedback are taken
>very seriously and that efforts are continually being made to improve
>products and services where possible.

My daughter (irritated) and at the behest of her irritated colleagues,
has just 'phoned to ask why there are so many weather warnings and
'nothing happens'.

A letter in today's 'Herald' comments that a forecaster on BBC news
referred to the weather over the UK 'and now we move to Scotland'.

Currently, there is a 'Flash warning of severe weather' covering the
whole of Scotland 'Valid from 13:00 to 22:00', heavy rain, with Argyll
and Bute receiving special mention. Here, in Argyll and Bute it's been a
lovely afternoon and is a similarly lovely evening (so far) with the
rainfall radar showing diminishing shower activity.

As I've said before, I know it's difficult but things do need to be
tightened up. The MO should do it's bit on its own behalf and also sort
out the lack of professionalism shown by the BBC who are one of its
outlets to the general public.

--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather

	#1
Graham Easterling	Boscastle Showers. Take a look at the rainfall radar for 10:30-12:30. www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/radar/index.html It's amazing how often heavy showers break out in the Trevose Head or Tintagel Head area and then drift up the N coast. Not even any evidence of a sea breeze this time. (Sometimes the change in aspect of the north coast at Trevose & Tintagel can cause the sea breeze to converge against itself as well as a gradient wind). I often think that severe weather warnings could be made more specific by taking this sort of thing into account. During the day of the 2004 Boscastle flood the air was very unstable, there was a light gradient southerly wind, and in Penzance thunder had been rumbling in the distance off & on since 11:00. Once the north coast sea breeze set in a weather warning should have been issued for the north Cornwall coast. It was actually issued for the whole of Cornwall & the Isles of Scilly, when the flood had already occured. Graham Penzance

	#2
Graham Easterling	Re: Boscastle Showers. On 16 Jul, 13:17, Graham Easterling <gra...@easterling.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > Take a look at the rainfall radar for 10:30-12:30.www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/radar/index.html > > It's amazing how often heavy showers break out in the Trevose Head or > Tintagel Head area and then drift up the N coast. Not even any > evidence of a sea breeze this time. (Sometimes the change in aspect of > the north coast at Trevose & Tintagel can cause the sea breeze to > converge against itself as well as a gradient wind). > > I often think that severe weather warnings could be made more specific > by taking this sort of thing into account. During the day of the 2004 > Boscastle flood the air was very unstable, there was a light gradient > southerly wind, and in Penzance thunder had been rumbling in the > distance off & on since 11:00. Once the north coast sea breeze set in > a weather warning should have been issued for the north Cornwall > coast. It was actually issued for the whole of Cornwall & the Isles of > Scilly, when the flood had already occured. > > Graham > Penzance As if to reinforce my point, the heavy rain (as far as the SW is concerned) is still largely concentrate on the same strip of the north coast, where it's been pouring for hours yet the weather warning, finally issued 16:15', is for the whole of Devon, Cornwall & the Isles of Scilly. I'd have issued at at the time of my last post, for the specific area affected. Been a nice warm, fairly sunny day here. Graham Penzance

	#3
Will Hand	Re: Boscastle Showers. "Graham Easterling" <graham@easterling.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:1184602404.111339.254970@q75g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com... > On 16 Jul, 13:17, Graham Easterling > <gra...@easterling.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > > Take a look at the rainfall radar for 10:30-12:30.www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/radar/index.html > > > > It's amazing how often heavy showers break out in the Trevose Head or > > Tintagel Head area and then drift up the N coast. Not even any > > evidence of a sea breeze this time. (Sometimes the change in aspect of > > the north coast at Trevose & Tintagel can cause the sea breeze to > > converge against itself as well as a gradient wind). > > > > I often think that severe weather warnings could be made more specific > > by taking this sort of thing into account. During the day of the 2004 > > Boscastle flood the air was very unstable, there was a light gradient > > southerly wind, and in Penzance thunder had been rumbling in the > > distance off & on since 11:00. Once the north coast sea breeze set in > > a weather warning should have been issued for the north Cornwall > > coast. It was actually issued for the whole of Cornwall & the Isles of > > Scilly, when the flood had already occured. > > > > Graham > > Penzance > > As if to reinforce my point, the heavy rain (as far as the SW is > concerned) is still largely concentrate on the same strip of the north > coast, where it's been pouring for hours yet the weather warning, > finally issued 16:15', is for the whole of Devon, Cornwall & the Isles > of Scilly. > I'd have issued at at the time of my last post, for the specific area > affected. > > Been a nice warm, fairly sunny day here. > > Graham > Penzance > You make it all seem wonderfully easy Graham. Jon are you listening? :-) Will --

	#4
Graham Easterling	Re: Boscastle Showers. > You make it all seem wonderfully easy Graham. Jon are you listening? :-) > > Will > --- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well I saw it coming this time, as I suspect many did. My point is not that it's all very easy, but that warnings could & should be more specific. There are a number of contributers to USW who share this viewpoint. There have been a number of recent threads on wearnings & nowcasts. Graham Penzance

	#5
Graham Easterling	Re: Boscastle Showers. > There have been a number of recent threads on wearnings & nowcasts. > > Graham > Penzance warnings even

	#7
Don	Re: Boscastle Showers. On Jul 16, 5:13 pm, Graham Easterling <gra...@easterling.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > On 16 Jul, 13:17, Graham Easterling > > > > <gra...@easterling.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > > Take a look at the rainfall radar for 10:30-12:30.www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/radar/index.html > > > It's amazing how often heavy showers break out in the Trevose Head or > > Tintagel Head area and then drift up the N coast. Not even any > > evidence of a sea breeze this time. (Sometimes the change in aspect of > > the north coast at Trevose & Tintagel can cause the sea breeze to > > converge against itself as well as a gradient wind). > > > I often think that severe weather warnings could be made more specific > > by taking this sort of thing into account. During the day of the 2004 > > Boscastle flood the air was very unstable, there was a light gradient > > southerly wind, and in Penzance thunder had been rumbling in the > > distance off & on since 11:00. Once the north coast sea breeze set in > > a weather warning should have been issued for the north Cornwall > > coast. It was actually issued for the whole of Cornwall & the Isles of > > Scilly, when the flood had already occured. > > > Graham > > Penzance > > As if to reinforce my point, the heavy rain (as far as the SW is > concerned) is still largely concentrate on the same strip of the north > coast, where it's been pouring for hours yet the weather warning, > finally issued 16:15', is for the whole of Devon, Cornwall & the Isles > of Scilly. > I'd have issued at at the time of my last post, for the specific area > affected. > > Been a nice warm, fairly sunny day here. > > Graham > Penzance Not today all been running parallel to the coast,frequent thunder from 13.00-18.30 with c-g(or should that be c-s) but stopped now, just 1.1 mm rain Don Boscastle

	#8
Graham Easterling	Re: Boscastle Showers. > > Not today > all been running parallel to the coast,frequent thunder from > 13.00-18.30 with c-g(or should that be c-s) but stopped now, > just 1.1 mm rain Very close though! How long have you been recording rainfall at Boscastle? If (or when!) you record anything significant I'd be very interested to know. You can email me on the link at www.easterling.freeserve.co.uk/weather.html Graham Penzance

	#9
Don	Re: Boscastle Showers. On Jul 16, 9:15 pm, Graham Easterling <gra...@easterling.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > > Very close though! > > How long have you been recording rainfall at Boscastle? 1996-1998 in Crackington Haven 1998- Present in Boscastle > > If (or when!) you record anything significant I'd be very interested > to know. You can email me on the link atwww.easterling.freeserve.co.uk/weather.html > > Graham > Penzance More than likely 'When'. I'll let you know Don Boscastle

	#10
Jon O'Rourke	Re: Boscastle Showers. "Graham Easterling" <graham@easterling.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:1184602404.111339.254970@q75g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com... > I'd have issued at at the time of my last post, for the specific area > affected. Something like : heavy showers and thunderstorms over adjacent waters might lead to a slight rise in sea levels, perhaps ? ;-) Jon.

	#11
Graham Easterling	Re: Boscastle Showers. > Something like : heavy showers and thunderstorms over adjacent waters might > lead to a slight rise in sea levels, perhaps ? ;-) > > Jon. Mmm Sarcasm is sarcasm even with ;-) A bit like saying 'I don't wish to be critical - but you're talking crap' In my post I was talking about confining warnings to the areas where there was a specific risk. The MetO warning covered the whole of Devon, Cornwall & Scilly - where many places had a nice day (Proper 'andsome here). There was a specific risk of heavy thunderstorms along the north coast - fairly obvious from around 10:30 - which did develop. It was more by luck than judgement that the convergence line was just offshore. (It did look from the rainfall radar that the line was a bit more onshore - indeed there were parts of the north Cornwall/Devon coast which did get some heavy rain.) My original post said:- "It's amazing how often heavy showers break out in the Trevose Head or Tintagel Head area and then drift up the N coast." (I've seen it happen often enough.) and "I often think that severe weather warnings could be made more specific by taking this sort of thing into account. " (and I stand by that) What I find a bit depressing is the apparent refusal of the MetO to take any critical comments seriously, prefering a sort of condescending defensiveness. I received a classic when I complained about the 5 day CEEFAX forecast for Penzance - a time I actually got a response. They said it was based on a grid position offshore, it was the BBCs fault for using raw data, and the best thing for me to do was ignore it. (Even though the MetO website was as bad). Graham Penzance

	#12
Alan White	Re: Boscastle Showers. On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:56:29 -0700, Graham Easterling <graham@easterling.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: >What I find a bit depressing is the apparent refusal of the MetO to >take any critical comments seriously, prefering a sort of >condescending defensiveness. I received a classic when I complained >about the 5 day CEEFAX forecast for Penzance - a time I actually got a >response. They said it was based on a grid position offshore, it was >the BBCs fault for using raw data, and the best thing for me to do was >ignore it. (Even though the MetO website was as bad). You must realise, Graham, that these days it's presentation that's important and that content is incidental. The BBC is the same. -- Alan White Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent. Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland. Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather