Power at any Cost

Richard Burnham posted the following in an earlier post to Stephen:

"Are you an EC member posting under a false identity? Maybe the same one
who posted as "Paul" last year?"

When I logged on to my computer today I see he has went one better and used
the name Paul and posted a couple of messages to make it look like I am
Paul. It is amazing how far this group of people will go to undermine
anyone who speaks out against them, I think they are sick.

This is a group of people in their twilight years, so desperate for revenge
and power they will go to any lengths to achieve their aims.

"Stephen" <natuk57remove@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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> Richard Burnham posted the following in an earlier post to Stephen:
>
>
>
> "Are you an EC member posting under a false identity? Maybe the same one
> who posted as "Paul" last year?"
>
>
>
> When I logged on to my computer today I see he has went one better and
> used the name Paul and posted a couple of messages to make it look like I
> am Paul.

Of course you are "Paul". "Stephen" and "Paul" have the same obsessions, use
exactly the same words and phrases and have exactly the same style of
writing. Oh, and they have the same need to remain anonymous. The
probability of them NOT being the same person is minimal.

It is amazing how far this group of people will go to undermine
> anyone who speaks out against them, I think they are sick.

So how far are you prepared to go in your attempt to undermine anyone who
speaks out against the EC?, and just how sick are you?
>
> This is a group of people in their twilight years, so desperate for
> revenge and power they will go to any lengths to achieve their aims.
>
Talking about yourself perhaps?

David.

>

"Stephen" <natuk57remove@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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> When I logged on to my computer today I see he has went one better and
> used the name Paul and posted a couple of messages to make it look like I
> am Paul. It is amazing how far this group of people will go to undermine
> anyone who speaks out against them, I think they are sick.

Anyone who digs deep enough, will find that Stephen shares more with Paul
than either of them realise!

;-)

Stephen wrote:
> Richard Burnham posted the following in an earlier post to Stephen:
>
>
>
> "Are you an EC member posting under a false identity? Maybe the same one
> who posted as "Paul" last year?"
>
>
>
> When I logged on to my computer today I see he has went one better and
> used the name Paul and posted a couple of messages to make it look like
> I am Paul.

BBBBBBBBWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA

Oh thank you I dind't think anyone would ever use that one again, I
haven't read that excuse this century!

Stephen wrote:
> This is a group of people in their twilight years
You really must learn to stop trying to sweep an unmoderated group, open
to the entire world as if they were one entity. As I am only two thirds
of the way through the standard life expectancy of my birth group, I am
not in my twilight years.

More seriously, Stephen: When new names pop up here (note that I do not
say new 'people') then I judge them on what they actually say. I do not
lump them together with other names and I do not presume that they are
pretending to be someone else - even if they are. I just read the words
and make my assessment of them. Any future posts of theirs are judged by
the same criteria. If they constantly fall off into ranting mode - then
I ignore them.

So, please don't imagine that by attacking those that disagree with you,
you will be see to the injured party.

Some folks here will check out the posting history and headers and it is
often amusing when two (or more) names prove to be from the same source.
But what they write is how they leave their mark.

Simon

AndyC wrote:
> "Stephen" <natuk57remove@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> news:f5rfck$52d$1@aioe.org...
>
>> When I logged on to my computer today I see he has went one better and
>> used the name Paul and posted a couple of messages to make it look like I
>> am Paul. It is amazing how far this group of people will go to undermine
>> anyone who speaks out against them, I think they are sick.
>
> Anyone who digs deep enough, will find that Stephen shares more with Paul
> than either of them realise!
>
> ;-)
>
>
Deep enough????

Let's see one click and OooooHHHHHH!

Now how can someone ( some two?) be so unknowing about the things that
give him/them away, and yet be able to lecture all and sundry about
internet security and file/page access?

"Simon Allen" <Heysford@notyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Stephen wrote:
>> This is a group of people in their twilight years
> You really must learn to stop trying to sweep an unmoderated group, open
> to the entire world as if they were one entity. As I am only two thirds of
> the way through the standard life expectancy of my birth group, I am not
> in my twilight years.

I was not referring to you Simon, I was referring to Duncan Heenan, John
Paine and Richard Burnham who are in their twilight years and at their time
of life they should be enjoying their retirement and forget about revenge
and power struggles in the BN.

I have seen recent images of them and they seem to have aged a lot since I
last saw them in the flesh so to speak. I don't think the stress of the BN
elections is doing their health any good.

If there is to be any changes in the BN administration, it would be better
if some younger members were to stand for election. I am sure this would go
down well with the members, as I for one don't wish to see a group of old
senile men in charge, with ulterior motives.

I have also made a decision in future not to answer critics of my posts,
such as "Oneline Marc" AndyC and that other old senile David Looser (I also
viewed a recent image of him, don't think he will be here for the next AGM)
as they have don't have any sensible comments to make and therefore are only
a waste space. Simon thinks he is contributing to the debate but then he is
not English. I suppose I should make allowances.

"Stephen" <natuk57remove@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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> I have also made a decision in future not to answer critics of my posts,
> such as "Oneline Marc" AndyC and that other old senile David Looser

When a poster makes rude, offensive, incorrect, misleading or slanderous
statements to Usenet, it's sometimes best for them to refrain from
responding to the follow-ups just to save face. The promise to do that
though, is one which is rarely kept. I wonder if Stephen's decision includes
Paul too?

"Stephen" <natuk57remove@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "marc" <initial.surname@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>
>> Now how can someone ( some two?) be so unknowing about the things that
>> give him/them away, and yet be able to lecture all and sundry about
>> internet security and file/page access?
>>
> Marc if you knew as much about IT as I do, you would be able to put the
> fate of JaceePrint behind you and get some fruitful employment.

Stephen/Paul, you have already demonstrated that you do not understand how
to restrict access to web pages, and that you are under some delusion that
simply not publishing links to those files on the parent web site is
adequate security, which everone should respect (even though they may not
know that the links were not published themselves). You have also
demonstrated that you do not fully understand how to post completely
anonymously when trying to be several aliases at once.

Besides what you might think of Marc, you must admit that he has a good
point.

"Stephen" <natuk57remove@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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>
> that other old senile David Looser (I also viewed a recent image of him,

Liar.

David.

Stephen wrote:
>
> "Simon Allen" <Heysford@notyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:468157a8$0$31691$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>> Stephen wrote:
>>> This is a group of people in their twilight years
>> You really must learn to stop trying to sweep an unmoderated group,
>> open to the entire world as if they were one entity. As I am only two
>> thirds of the way through the standard life expectancy of my birth
>> group, I am not in my twilight years.
>
> I was not referring to you Simon, I was referring to Duncan Heenan, John
> Paine and Richard Burnham who are in their twilight years and at their
> time of life they should be enjoying their retirement and forget about
> revenge and power struggles in the BN.

But the point being, that your sweeping statements and garbled language
allows your statement to include Simon whether you had that intention or
not.When reading a piece of text it is often not possible to decide
what the writer meant to say, all that can be definatley decided is what
was written
>
> I have seen recent images of them and they seem to have aged a lot since
> I last saw them in the flesh so to speak. I don't think the stress of
> the BN elections is doing their health any good.

>
> If there is to be any changes in the BN administration, it would be
> better if some younger members were to stand for election. I am sure
> this would go down well with the members, as I for one don't wish to see
> a group of old senile men in charge, with ulterior motives.

You may be right, the membership may well like some younger candidates,
but there are none.
>
> I have also made a decision in future not to answer critics of my posts,
> such as "Oneline Marc" AndyC and that other old senile David Looser (I
> also viewed a recent image of him, don't think he will be here for the
> next AGM)

IMHO a very wise decision, every time you try to answer your digging
yourself in deeper, making more of a fool of yourself and risking
starting up with the wrong sock puppet. Get in , make your point, let it
be ripped to shreds, move on and make another one , let that be ripped
to shreds etc...

as they have don't have any sensible comments to make and
> therefore are only a waste space.

"Waste space" Is that why you left out the of?
Simon thinks he is contributing to the
> debate but then he is not English. I suppose I should make allowances.

And now racism? ( yes that was one line)

"Stephen" <natuk57remove@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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> snip <
> I have also made a decision in future not to answer critics of my posts,
> such as "Oneline Marc" AndyC and that other old senile David Looser (I
> also viewed a recent image of him, don't think he will be here for the
> next AGM) as they have don't have any sensible comments to make and
> therefore are only a waste space. Simon thinks he is contributing to the
> debate but then he is not English. I suppose I should make allowances.

Note slide towards 'Bertie' mode.

"AndyC" <web-email@andycrawford.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Stephen" <natuk57remove@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> news:f5s5mt$d5l$1@aioe.org...
>
>> I have also made a decision in future not to answer critics of my posts,
>> such as "Oneline Marc" AndyC and that other old senile David Looser
>
> When a poster makes rude, offensive, incorrect, misleading or slanderous
> statements to Usenet, it's sometimes best for them to refrain from
> responding to the follow-ups just to save face. The promise to do that
> though, is one which is rarely kept. I wonder if Stephen's decision
> includes Paul too?
I'll wager that some 'new poster', claiming to have been lurking for a long
time, will suddenly emerge, with posts looking remarkably similar to our
legion friend. Doubtless he'll try to disguise his style somehow, but in
time it will show through.

"marc" <initial.surname@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>
> IMHO a very wise decision, every time you try to answer your digging
> yourself in deeper, making more of a fool of yourself and risking starting
> up with the wrong sock puppet.

Indeed. By using two identities, and then lying about them, he has destroyed
any credibility that Paul/Stephen might ever have had.

David.

"Stephen" <natuk57remove@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "Simon Allen" <Heysford@notyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:468157a8$0$31691$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>> Stephen wrote:
>>> This is a group of people in their twilight years
>> You really must learn to stop trying to sweep an unmoderated group, open
>> to the entire world as if they were one entity. As I am only two thirds
>> of the way through the standard life expectancy of my birth group, I am
>> not in my twilight years.
>
> I was not referring to you Simon, I was referring to Duncan Heenan, John
> Paine and Richard Burnham who are in their twilight years and at their
> time of life they should be enjoying their retirement and forget about
> revenge and power struggles in the BN.
Point of fact. I am slightly below the existing average age of EC members,
and that of the non BNChange candidates, as is the average age of the
BNChange candidates.
Age is not relevant to attitude, and it is attitude which matters in this
area of endeavour.

"David Looser" <david.looser@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> "marc" <initial.surname@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:qtydnbljyqM3YxzbnZ2dnUVZ8tOmnZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>> IMHO a very wise decision, every time you try to answer your digging
>> yourself in deeper, making more of a fool of yourself and risking
>> starting up with the wrong sock puppet.
>
> Indeed. By using two identities, and then lying about them, he has
> destroyed any credibility that Paul/Stephen might ever have had.
>
I must totally agree.
I have no knowledge of, or interest in the BN elections but read this
thread with interest before coming to the same conclusion.

--
Chris, West Cork, Ireland.

In message <f5s5mt$d5l$1@aioe.org>, Stephen <natuk57remove@yahoo.ca>
writes
[snip]

>Simon thinks he is contributing to the debate but then he is not
>English. I suppose I should make allowances.
By a similar logic trail, it might be deduced that Stephen is posting
from Canada.

Both hypotheses would appear to be false.

--
Mike
"Why," said Ford squatting down beside him and shivering, "are you lying face
down in the dust?" "It's a very effective way of being wretched," said Marvin.

"Stephen" <natuk57remove@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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> snip <
> I was not referring to you Simon, I was referring to Duncan Heenan, John
> Paine and Richard Burnham <

Actually, 'Stephen', Richard Burnham is not standing for election.

"Duncan Heenan" <pleasenospammersduncanheenan@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in
message news:46820f92$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>
> "AndyC" <web-email@andycrawford.net> wrote in message
> news:f5ss45$fjj$1@aioe.org...
>>
>> "Stephen" <natuk57remove@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>> news:f5s5mt$d5l$1@aioe.org...
>>
>>> I have also made a decision in future not to answer critics of my posts,
>>> such as "Oneline Marc" AndyC and that other old senile David Looser
>>
>> When a poster makes rude, offensive, incorrect, misleading or slanderous
>> statements to Usenet, it's sometimes best for them to refrain from
>> responding to the follow-ups just to save face. The promise to do that
>> though, is one which is rarely kept. I wonder if Stephen's decision
>> includes Paul too?
> I'll wager that some 'new poster', claiming to have been lurking for a
> long time, will suddenly emerge, with posts looking remarkably similar to
> our legion friend. Doubtless he'll try to disguise his style somehow, but
> in time it will show through.
>
>

Duncan Heenan wrote:
> "AndyC" <web-email@andycrawford.net> wrote in message
> news:f5ss45$fjj$1@aioe.org...
>> "Stephen" <natuk57remove@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>> news:f5s5mt$d5l$1@aioe.org...
>>
>>> I have also made a decision in future not to answer critics of my posts,
>>> such as "Oneline Marc" AndyC and that other old senile David Looser
>> When a poster makes rude, offensive, incorrect, misleading or slanderous
>> statements to Usenet, it's sometimes best for them to refrain from
>> responding to the follow-ups just to save face. The promise to do that
>> though, is one which is rarely kept. I wonder if Stephen's decision
>> includes Paul too?
> I'll wager that some 'new poster', claiming to have been lurking for a long
> time, will suddenly emerge, with posts looking remarkably similar to our
> legion friend. Doubtless he'll try to disguise his style somehow, but in
> time it will show through.
>
>

I will see your wager and raise you...

I bet that no-one with either a previous posting record or who can prove
they aren't Stephen/Paul will come forward and say that they believe
Stephen/Paul is/are two people. Doesn't grammar become difficult when
dealing with multiple personalities?

"marc" <initial.surname@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> snip <
>> I'll wager that some 'new poster', claiming to have been lurking for a
>> long time, will suddenly emerge, with posts looking remarkably similar to
>> our legion friend. Doubtless he'll try to disguise his style somehow, but
>> in time it will show through.
>
> I will see your wager and raise you...
>
> I bet that no-one with either a previous posting record or who can prove
> they aren't Stephen/Paul will come forward and say that they believe
> Stephen/Paul is/are two people. Doesn't grammar become difficult when
> dealing with multiple personalities?

I'll predict also that, as part of the next disguise, he uses a 'surname' as
well, to appear more genuine. I expect the initial approach to be something
along the lines of 'You won't believe any of this because you're all
paranoid on URN, but.....' . We may have to wait a few weeks though for the
dust to settle and until he believes people will have forgotten this little
diversion. However, the mind-set we have been witnessing has a tendency to
keep returning to things they want to 'win' at, rather than accepting that
they can't 'win'.

Stephen wrote:
>
> "Simon Allen" <Heysford@notyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:468157a8$0$31691$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>> Stephen wrote:
>>> This is a group of people in their twilight years
>> You really must learn to stop trying to sweep an unmoderated group,
>> open to the entire world as if they were one entity. As I am only two
>> thirds of the way through the standard life expectancy of my birth
>> group, I am not in my twilight years.
>
> I was not referring to you Simon, I was referring to Duncan Heenan, John
> Paine and Richard Burnham who are in their twilight years and at their
> time of life they should be enjoying their retirement and forget about
> revenge and power struggles in the BN.

Retirement? At my age I can't even begin to think about it

But if only I could, I've got several lifetimes of things I want to do...

>
> I have seen recent images of them and they seem to have aged a lot since
> I last saw them in the flesh so to speak. I don't think the stress of
> the BN elections is doing their health any good.

No, you haven't seen my recent picture, as none have been taken of me
since I last appeared at an AGM. And I am not involved in any BN elections.
>
[snip of personal abuse]

One of the advantages of naturism is that it makes me feel so young
against the typical naturist committee.

As also, to be fair, do attending the local geological society and going
to the opera. (Apart from the 20th/21st century composers - a surprising
number of young people turned out for Stravinsky, Shostakovich and John
Adams, while the recent Philip Glass seemed to appeal predominantly to
my own generation.)

Richard Burnham

Returning after a long weekend visiting my dear mother, I find this ...

Stephen wrote:
> I have seen recent images of them and they seem to have aged a lot since
Ahh, so you have added another quality to your skiils. Not ONLY can you
correctly anticipate what someone is going to do in a year's time, you
can look at a snapshot image and deduce that they have aged since the
last picture was taken. Further [bated breath] you can issue medical
assesments as to their likely life span. Wow!! I did say that the MoD
and CID would like your skills, ad the NHS to the queue.

> Simon thinks he is contributing to the
> debate but then he is not English. I suppose I should make allowances.
Let me take another look at my passport:
Born in the Uk.
Father and his parents, grandparents and all the way back are British.
Mother and her parents, grandparents and all the way back are British.
Simon has lived more than three quarters of his life in Great Britain.

I suppose I should make allowances for ignorance. And, whilst I'm about
it, a short sighted, callow attitude to others that he has not yet met.

Happily, Paul, your game plan is so transparent that it's as if you were
naked.

Simon British

Stephen wrote:

>
> If there is to be any changes in the BN administration, it would be
> better if some younger members were to stand for election. I am sure
> this would go down well with the members, as I for one don't wish to see
> a group of old senile men in charge, with ulterior motives.
>

I've not been able to follow the group regularly recently - has the
sockpuppet* Stephen/Paul now disappeared again? He'll be back, probably
under another name, and he'll be quickly identifiable.

Funnily enough, I have read that the vacant regional rep posts have been
filled by old faces, and I guess that the average age of the appointees
(hardly anyone on the EC has faced an election now) is over 70.

Richard Burnham

*sockpuppet story (not naturist) at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/16/te...SKAYTrioTtcjrg

or
http://tinyurl.com/3ywwzg

On Jul 28, 12:46 am, c-o <c...@spamex.com> wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>
> > If there is to be any changes in the BN administration, it would be
> > better if some younger members were to stand for election. I am sure
> > this would go down well with the members, as I for one don't wish to see
> > a group of old senile men in charge, with ulterior motives.

I'd guess that Stephen / Paul / (Richard? - not Burnham) is in fact
one of the 'senile old men in charge'.
Ability and age are not directly related. Neither are postion within
BN, and intellegence.

	#1
Stephen	Power at any Cost Richard Burnham posted the following in an earlier post to Stephen: "Are you an EC member posting under a false identity? Maybe the same one who posted as "Paul" last year?" When I logged on to my computer today I see he has went one better and used the name Paul and posted a couple of messages to make it look like I am Paul. It is amazing how far this group of people will go to undermine anyone who speaks out against them, I think they are sick. This is a group of people in their twilight years, so desperate for revenge and power they will go to any lengths to achieve their aims.

	#2
David Looser	Re: Power at any Cost "Stephen" <natuk57remove@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:f5rfck$52d$1@aioe.org... > Richard Burnham posted the following in an earlier post to Stephen: > > > > "Are you an EC member posting under a false identity? Maybe the same one > who posted as "Paul" last year?" > > > > When I logged on to my computer today I see he has went one better and > used the name Paul and posted a couple of messages to make it look like I > am Paul. Of course you are "Paul". "Stephen" and "Paul" have the same obsessions, use exactly the same words and phrases and have exactly the same style of writing. Oh, and they have the same need to remain anonymous. The probability of them NOT being the same person is minimal. It is amazing how far this group of people will go to undermine > anyone who speaks out against them, I think they are sick. So how far are you prepared to go in your attempt to undermine anyone who speaks out against the EC?, and just how sick are you? > > This is a group of people in their twilight years, so desperate for > revenge and power they will go to any lengths to achieve their aims. > Talking about yourself perhaps? David. >

	#3
AndyC	Re: Power at any Cost "Stephen" <natuk57remove@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:f5rfck$52d$1@aioe.org... > When I logged on to my computer today I see he has went one better and > used the name Paul and posted a couple of messages to make it look like I > am Paul. It is amazing how far this group of people will go to undermine > anyone who speaks out against them, I think they are sick. Anyone who digs deep enough, will find that Stephen shares more with Paul than either of them realise! ;-)

	#4
marc	Re: Power at any Cost Stephen wrote: > Richard Burnham posted the following in an earlier post to Stephen: > > > > "Are you an EC member posting under a false identity? Maybe the same one > who posted as "Paul" last year?" > > > > When I logged on to my computer today I see he has went one better and > used the name Paul and posted a couple of messages to make it look like > I am Paul. BBBBBBBBWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA Oh thank you I dind't think anyone would ever use that one again, I haven't read that excuse this century!

	#5
Simon Allen	Re: Power at any Cost Stephen wrote: > This is a group of people in their twilight years You really must learn to stop trying to sweep an unmoderated group, open to the entire world as if they were one entity. As I am only two thirds of the way through the standard life expectancy of my birth group, I am not in my twilight years. More seriously, Stephen: When new names pop up here (note that I do not say new 'people') then I judge them on what they actually say. I do not lump them together with other names and I do not presume that they are pretending to be someone else - even if they are. I just read the words and make my assessment of them. Any future posts of theirs are judged by the same criteria. If they constantly fall off into ranting mode - then I ignore them. So, please don't imagine that by attacking those that disagree with you, you will be see to the injured party. Some folks here will check out the posting history and headers and it is often amusing when two (or more) names prove to be from the same source. But what they write is how they leave their mark. Simon

	#6
marc	Re: Power at any Cost AndyC wrote: > "Stephen" <natuk57remove@yahoo.ca> wrote in message > news:f5rfck$52d$1@aioe.org... > >> When I logged on to my computer today I see he has went one better and >> used the name Paul and posted a couple of messages to make it look like I >> am Paul. It is amazing how far this group of people will go to undermine >> anyone who speaks out against them, I think they are sick. > > Anyone who digs deep enough, will find that Stephen shares more with Paul > than either of them realise! > > ;-) > > Deep enough???? Let's see one click and OooooHHHHHH! Now how can someone ( some two?) be so unknowing about the things that give him/them away, and yet be able to lecture all and sundry about internet security and file/page access?

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Stephen	Re: Power at any Cost "Simon Allen" <Heysford@notyahoo.com> wrote in message news:468157a8$0$31691$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk... > Stephen wrote: >> This is a group of people in their twilight years > You really must learn to stop trying to sweep an unmoderated group, open > to the entire world as if they were one entity. As I am only two thirds of > the way through the standard life expectancy of my birth group, I am not > in my twilight years. I was not referring to you Simon, I was referring to Duncan Heenan, John Paine and Richard Burnham who are in their twilight years and at their time of life they should be enjoying their retirement and forget about revenge and power struggles in the BN. I have seen recent images of them and they seem to have aged a lot since I last saw them in the flesh so to speak. I don't think the stress of the BN elections is doing their health any good. If there is to be any changes in the BN administration, it would be better if some younger members were to stand for election. I am sure this would go down well with the members, as I for one don't wish to see a group of old senile men in charge, with ulterior motives. I have also made a decision in future not to answer critics of my posts, such as "Oneline Marc" AndyC and that other old senile David Looser (I also viewed a recent image of him, don't think he will be here for the next AGM) as they have don't have any sensible comments to make and therefore are only a waste space. Simon thinks he is contributing to the debate but then he is not English. I suppose I should make allowances.

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Duncan Heenan	Re: Power at any Cost "Stephen" <natuk57remove@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:f5s5mt$d5l$1@aioe.org... > snip < > I have also made a decision in future not to answer critics of my posts, > such as "Oneline Marc" AndyC and that other old senile David Looser (I > also viewed a recent image of him, don't think he will be here for the > next AGM) as they have don't have any sensible comments to make and > therefore are only a waste space. Simon thinks he is contributing to the > debate but then he is not English. I suppose I should make allowances. Note slide towards 'Bertie' mode.

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Duncan Heenan	Re: Power at any Cost "AndyC" <web-email@andycrawford.net> wrote in message news:f5ss45$fjj$1@aioe.org... > > "Stephen" <natuk57remove@yahoo.ca> wrote in message > news:f5s5mt$d5l$1@aioe.org... > >> I have also made a decision in future not to answer critics of my posts, >> such as "Oneline Marc" AndyC and that other old senile David Looser > > When a poster makes rude, offensive, incorrect, misleading or slanderous > statements to Usenet, it's sometimes best for them to refrain from > responding to the follow-ups just to save face. The promise to do that > though, is one which is rarely kept. I wonder if Stephen's decision > includes Paul too? I'll wager that some 'new poster', claiming to have been lurking for a long time, will suddenly emerge, with posts looking remarkably similar to our legion friend. Doubtless he'll try to disguise his style somehow, but in time it will show through.

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David Looser	Re: Power at any Cost "marc" <initial.surname@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:qtydnbljyqM3YxzbnZ2dnUVZ8tOmnZ2d@bt.com... > > IMHO a very wise decision, every time you try to answer your digging > yourself in deeper, making more of a fool of yourself and risking starting > up with the wrong sock puppet. Indeed. By using two identities, and then lying about them, he has destroyed any credibility that Paul/Stephen might ever have had. David.

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Cerumen	Re: Power at any Cost "David Looser" <david.looser@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:5eehj9F380hr9U1@mid.individual.net... > "marc" <initial.surname@btinternet.com> wrote in message > news:qtydnbljyqM3YxzbnZ2dnUVZ8tOmnZ2d@bt.com... >> >> IMHO a very wise decision, every time you try to answer your digging >> yourself in deeper, making more of a fool of yourself and risking >> starting up with the wrong sock puppet. > > Indeed. By using two identities, and then lying about them, he has > destroyed any credibility that Paul/Stephen might ever have had. > I must totally agree. I have no knowledge of, or interest in the BN elections but read this thread with interest before coming to the same conclusion. -- Chris, West Cork, Ireland.

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Mike H	Re: Power at any Cost In message <f5s5mt$d5l$1@aioe.org>, Stephen <natuk57remove@yahoo.ca> writes [snip] >Simon thinks he is contributing to the debate but then he is not >English. I suppose I should make allowances. By a similar logic trail, it might be deduced that Stephen is posting from Canada. Both hypotheses would appear to be false. -- Mike "Why," said Ford squatting down beside him and shivering, "are you lying face down in the dust?" "It's a very effective way of being wretched," said Marvin.

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Hagar	Re: Power at any Cost "Duncan Heenan" <pleasenospammersduncanheenan@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message news:46820f92$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com... > > "AndyC" <web-email@andycrawford.net> wrote in message > news:f5ss45$fjj$1@aioe.org... >> >> "Stephen" <natuk57remove@yahoo.ca> wrote in message >> news:f5s5mt$d5l$1@aioe.org... >> >>> I have also made a decision in future not to answer critics of my posts, >>> such as "Oneline Marc" AndyC and that other old senile David Looser >> >> When a poster makes rude, offensive, incorrect, misleading or slanderous >> statements to Usenet, it's sometimes best for them to refrain from >> responding to the follow-ups just to save face. The promise to do that >> though, is one which is rarely kept. I wonder if Stephen's decision >> includes Paul too? > I'll wager that some 'new poster', claiming to have been lurking for a > long time, will suddenly emerge, with posts looking remarkably similar to > our legion friend. Doubtless he'll try to disguise his style somehow, but > in time it will show through. > >

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marc	Re: Power at any Cost Duncan Heenan wrote: > "AndyC" <web-email@andycrawford.net> wrote in message > news:f5ss45$fjj$1@aioe.org... >> "Stephen" <natuk57remove@yahoo.ca> wrote in message >> news:f5s5mt$d5l$1@aioe.org... >> >>> I have also made a decision in future not to answer critics of my posts, >>> such as "Oneline Marc" AndyC and that other old senile David Looser >> When a poster makes rude, offensive, incorrect, misleading or slanderous >> statements to Usenet, it's sometimes best for them to refrain from >> responding to the follow-ups just to save face. The promise to do that >> though, is one which is rarely kept. I wonder if Stephen's decision >> includes Paul too? > I'll wager that some 'new poster', claiming to have been lurking for a long > time, will suddenly emerge, with posts looking remarkably similar to our > legion friend. Doubtless he'll try to disguise his style somehow, but in > time it will show through. > > I will see your wager and raise you... I bet that no-one with either a previous posting record or who can prove they aren't Stephen/Paul will come forward and say that they believe Stephen/Paul is/are two people. Doesn't grammar become difficult when dealing with multiple personalities?

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Simon Allen	Re: Power at any Cost Returning after a long weekend visiting my dear mother, I find this ... Stephen wrote: > I have seen recent images of them and they seem to have aged a lot since Ahh, so you have added another quality to your skiils. Not ONLY can you correctly anticipate what someone is going to do in a year's time, you can look at a snapshot image and deduce that they have aged since the last picture was taken. Further [bated breath] you can issue medical assesments as to their likely life span. Wow!! I did say that the MoD and CID would like your skills, ad the NHS to the queue. > Simon thinks he is contributing to the > debate but then he is not English. I suppose I should make allowances. Let me take another look at my passport: Born in the Uk. Father and his parents, grandparents and all the way back are British. Mother and her parents, grandparents and all the way back are British. Simon has lived more than three quarters of his life in Great Britain. I suppose I should make allowances for ignorance. And, whilst I'm about it, a short sighted, callow attitude to others that he has not yet met. Happily, Paul, your game plan is so transparent that it's as if you were naked. Simon British

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Duncan Heenan	Re: Power at any Cost On Jul 28, 12:46 am, c-o <c...@spamex.com> wrote: > Stephen wrote: > > > If there is to be any changes in the BN administration, it would be > > better if some younger members were to stand for election. I am sure > > this would go down well with the members, as I for one don't wish to see > > a group of old senile men in charge, with ulterior motives. I'd guess that Stephen / Paul / (Richard? - not Burnham) is in fact one of the 'senile old men in charge'. Ability and age are not directly related. Neither are postion within BN, and intellegence.