M3

http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...259138,00.html

flash@work

"M3" <***> wrote in message news:40f29067.0@entanet...
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...259138,00.html
>
>
Sounds ideal for team UKRM

mups

flash@work nospam@hotmail.com says...
>
> "M3" <***> wrote in message news:40f29067.0@entanet...
> >
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...259138,00.html
> >
> >
> Sounds ideal for team UKRM

Dunno, they'd have to get within 50 meters of the bike in front for it to
work...

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Mike

flash@work wrote:

> "M3" <***> wrote in message news:40f29067.0@entanet...
>
>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...259138,00.html
>>
>>
>
> Sounds ideal for team UKRM
>
>

Even if the car was old enough to be unaffected, stopping all the newer
cars for 50 metres around them should do the trick.

--

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Trophy 3

flash@work

"mups" <chris@NOTREALADDR.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b5ca416eef1c483989737@news.newsreader.co m...
> flash@work nospam@hotmail.com says...
> >
> > "M3" <***> wrote in message news:40f29067.0@entanet...
> > >
> > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...259138,00.html
> > >
> > >
> > Sounds ideal for team UKRM
>
> Dunno, they'd have to get within 50 meters of the bike in front for
> it to work...

Well each time they get lapped would be an opportunity wouldn't it?

flash@work

"Mike" <MikeUKRM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2lfigjFc4ilhU2@uni-berlin.de...
> flash@work wrote:
>
> > "M3" <***> wrote in message news:40f29067.0@entanet...
> >
> >>http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...259138,00.html
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Sounds ideal for team UKRM
> >
> >
>
> Even if the car was old enough to be unaffected, stopping all the
> newer cars for 50 metres around them should do the trick.
>
And all the pace makers

Mike

flash@work wrote:

> "mups" <chris@NOTREALADDR.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1b5ca416eef1c483989737@news.newsreader.co m...
>
>>flash@work nospam@hotmail.com says...
>>
>>>"M3" <***> wrote in message news:40f29067.0@entanet...
>>>
>>>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...259138,00.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Sounds ideal for team UKRM
>>
>>Dunno, they'd have to get within 50 meters of the bike in front for
>>it to work...
>
>
> Well each time they get lapped would be an opportunity wouldn't it?
>
>
>
>

Be good watching the start, what with them being the only team on the
grid with a trailer on the bike for the battery and capacitors.

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Mike

flash@work wrote:
> "Mike" <MikeUKRM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2lfigjFc4ilhU2@uni-berlin.de...
>
>>flash@work wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"M3" <***> wrote in message news:40f29067.0@entanet...
>>>
>>>
>>>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...259138,00.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Sounds ideal for team UKRM
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Even if the car was old enough to be unaffected, stopping all the
>>newer cars for 50 metres around them should do the trick.
>>
>
> And all the pace makers
>
>

I'd probably take up joyriding just to watch all the oldies dancing
around me.

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Trophy 3

flash@work

"Mike" <MikeUKRM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2lfitfFcavmhU1@uni-berlin.de...
> flash@work wrote:
> > "Mike" <MikeUKRM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:2lfigjFc4ilhU2@uni-berlin.de...
> >
> >>flash@work wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"M3" <***> wrote in message news:40f29067.0@entanet...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...259138,00.html
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Sounds ideal for team UKRM
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Even if the car was old enough to be unaffected, stopping all the
> >>newer cars for 50 metres around them should do the trick.
> >>
> >
> > And all the pace makers
> >
> >
>
> I'd probably take up joyriding just to watch all the oldies dancing
> around me.
>
Just take a shortcut through the Intensive care ward.

Mike

flash@work wrote:

> "Mike" <MikeUKRM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2lfitfFcavmhU1@uni-berlin.de...
>
>>flash@work wrote:
>>
>>>"Mike" <MikeUKRM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:2lfigjFc4ilhU2@uni-berlin.de...
>>>
>>>
>>>>flash@work wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"M3" <***> wrote in message news:40f29067.0@entanet...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...259138,00.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Sounds ideal for team UKRM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Even if the car was old enough to be unaffected, stopping all the
>>>>newer cars for 50 metres around them should do the trick.
>>>>
>>>
>>>And all the pace makers
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I'd probably take up joyriding just to watch all the oldies dancing
>>around me.
>>
>
> Just take a shortcut through the Intensive care ward.
>
>
>

They'd have to put up new signs:

NO MOBILE PHONES
THIS IS A 30 LIMIT

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Trophy 3

Mark Olson

M3 <***> wrote:

> http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...259138,00.html

When can I get a version that will mount on a bike, so I can fry
mobile phones being used by blind nincompoops? Cooking their lone
brain cell at the same time would be a bonus...

--
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Champ

On 12 Jul 2004 13:56:30 GMT, Mark Olson <olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote:

>M3 <***> wrote:
>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...259138,00.html
>
>When can I get a version that will mount on a bike, so I can fry
>mobile phones being used by blind nincompoops? Cooking their lone
>brain cell at the same time would be a bonus...

What about those of us who aren't blind or nincompoops?
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GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

Catman

"M3" <***> wrote:

>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...259138,00.html

<snip of emp devices to stop cars>

We looked at something similar at uni, but felt the adverse affects on
pacemakers and other sensitive electronics was 'undesireable'


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PeterT

Catman
> M3

> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...259138,00.html
>
> <snip of emp devices to stop cars>
>
> We looked at something similar at uni, but felt the adverse affects on
> pacemakers and other sensitive electronics was 'undesireable'

So, it'd be interesting to wait until the police force get's sued by
the family of the pacemaker victim who just happened to stand in the
line of fire.


--
pt

dwb

Champ wrote:
> On 12 Jul 2004 13:56:30 GMT, Mark Olson <olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote:
>
>> M3 <***> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...259138,00.html
>>
>> When can I get a version that will mount on a bike, so I can fry
>> mobile phones being used by blind nincompoops? Cooking their lone
>> brain cell at the same time would be a bonus...
>
> What about those of us who aren't blind or nincompoops?

Shh, using logic will just confuse the vigilantes.

Mungo \three sheds\ Toadfoot

genuine_froggie@zeouane.org wrote:

<Snippage>

> A month later, said daughter develops a second head and eight
> additional nipples.
>

Well there's a good enough reason on its own!

Si

Pete M

In news:40f29067.0@entanet,
M3 <***> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...259138,00.html

when I were a lad all we had were points and a condenser... none of this
computer stuff..


--
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Ford Capri - Mercedes 500 SEL - Sierra XR4x4

Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain

Grimly Curmudgeon

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "M3" <***> saying something like:

>
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...259138,00.html
>
>
>
Narrow targeted EMP. The idea's not new, been around since Tesla and
Baird.

--

Dave

GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
SbS#6 DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#6 FUB#3
FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19 COSOC#10

The Older Gentleman

Pete M <pete.murray@blue-nopressedmeat-yonder.co.uk> wrote:

> In news:40f29067.0@entanet,
> M3 <***> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...259138,00.html
>
> when I were a lad all we had were points and a condenser... none of this
> computer stuff..

Some of still do..... I own more points ignition bikes than electronic!


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Muck

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
> It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember "M3" <***> saying something like:
>
>
>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...259138,00.html
>>
>>
>>
>
> Narrow targeted EMP. The idea's not new, been around since Tesla and
> Baird.
>

I thought that you needed an explosive charge to power these things.
Good idea though, even if the sheer amount of kit in the car will slow
thing thing down.

sweller

The Older Gentleman wrote:

> > when I were a lad all we had were points and a condenser... none of
> > this computer stuff..
>
> Some of still do..... I own more points ignition bikes than electronic!

So do I.

That's a bit of a given isn't it....

Anyway, my Lucas Rita ignition will it be affected by the cop-death-ray
thing or is Lucas still at the valve end of technology?

--
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Brighton | MYSOB: http://www.sweller.co.uk/sob/
England | MZSOB: http://www.mztech.fsnet.co.uk/

The Older Gentleman

sweller <ng@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> The Older Gentleman wrote:
>
> > > when I were a lad all we had were points and a condenser... none of
> > > this computer stuff..
> >
> > Some of still do..... I own more points ignition bikes than electronic!
>
> So do I.
>
> That's a bit of a given isn't it....
>
> Anyway, my Lucas Rita ignition will it be affected by the cop-death-ray
> thing or is Lucas still at the valve end of technology?

Not even that. Wick and flint, I think.


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platypus

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
> It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember "M3" <***> saying something like:
>
>>
>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...259138,00.html
>>
>>
>>
> Narrow targeted EMP. The idea's not new, been around since Tesla and
> Baird.

Would it stop a Faraday cage?

--
Platypus

"thang"

Champ

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:07:19 +0100,
chateauSPAMKILL.murray@dsl.pipex.com (The Older Gentleman) wrote:

>Pete M <pete.murray@blue-nopressedmeat-yonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In news:40f29067.0@entanet,
>> M3 <***> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows
>> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...259138,00.html
>>
>> when I were a lad all we had were points and a condenser... none of this
>> computer stuff..
>
>Some of still do..... I own more points ignition bikes than electronic!

My oldest bike (18 years this year) is the most technologically
advanced
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GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

Lozzo

Champ says...
> On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:07:19 +0100,
> chateauSPAMKILL.murray@dsl.pipex.com (The Older Gentleman) wrote:
>
> >Pete M <pete.murray@blue-nopressedmeat-yonder.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> In news:40f29067.0@entanet,
> >> M3 <***> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows
> >> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...259138,00.html
> >>
> >> when I were a lad all we had were points and a condenser... none of this
> >> computer stuff..
> >
> >Some of still do..... I own more points ignition bikes than electronic!
>
> My oldest bike (18 years this year) is the most technologically
> advanced

But it's the slowest and worst handling of all the bikes you own, so all
that technology counts for nowt.

--
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Yamaha YZF1000R Thunderace
"Mummy's little angel, little sister's pimp"

Simian

platypus wrote:
> Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>> "M3" <***> :
>>
>>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...1259138,00.htm
>>>
>> Narrow targeted EMP. The idea's not new, been around since Tesla and
>> Baird.
>
> Would it stop a Faraday cage?

No, but then one rarely sees faraday cages driving around, unless one
lives in Bagdad or similar.

It's probably cm sized microwaves, small enough to have reasonable
penetration and adequate directionality[1], easy enough to generate,
nasty effects on micro-electronics at low power, absorbed by the
body well enough to be safe-ish around pacemakers.

I'd have thought something like wideband emp would be considered
unacceptably dagerous for use on the streets - you'd have people
being deafened by their ipods, etc.


[1] although I do wonder what the effect would be if you targeted the
back of a transit at close range - feels like you'd get enough reflected
back at you to kill your own car...
--
ZX7RR.

Sorby

"M3" <***> wrote in message news:40f29067.0@entanet...
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...259138,00.html

"Guns don't kill people - zappers do."

--
Sorby

sweller

Champ wrote:

> My oldest bike (18 years this year) is the most technologically
> advanced

I assume you mean the Turbo?

I'd take issue that its the most advance technologically, especially
compared against your GSXR.

It's got a Turbo. So what? I've worked on 50 year old diesels that had
turbos. Not exactly cutting edge.

The materials; the calculations; the equipment used to design and
manufacture your GSXR are far more advanced than the paper; slide rule
and pencil used in 1971 (?) to come up with the Z engine.

The amount of modern and advanced technology that makes the fuel
injection system as effective as it undoubtably is trumps your rather
primitive turbo.

There again you may not mean your turbo; which makes this all rather
silly.

--
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Brighton | MYSOB: http://www.sweller.co.uk/sob/
England | MZSOB: http://www.mztech.fsnet.co.uk/

Ace

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:15:15 +0100, Champ <ukrm@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:07:19 +0100,
>chateauSPAMKILL.murray@dsl.pipex.com (The Older Gentleman) wrote:
>
>>Pete M <pete.murray@blue-nopressedmeat-yonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In news:40f29067.0@entanet,
>>> M3 <***> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows
>>> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...259138,00.html
>>>
>>> when I were a lad all we had were points and a condenser... none of this
>>> computer stuff..
>>
>>Some of still do..... I own more points ignition bikes than electronic!
>
>My oldest bike (18 years this year) is the most technologically
>advanced

How do you figure that one then? Shirley the EMS on the gixxer will be
much more advanced, in processing terms, than that on the turbo?

--
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GSX-R1000K3, CB400F2
BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, BOTCdV#1

Eddie

Ace wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:15:15 +0100, Champ <ukrm@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>My oldest bike (18 years this year) is the most technologically
>>advanced
>
> How do you figure that one then? Shirley the EMS on the gixxer will be
> much more advanced, in processing terms, than that on the turbo?

As others have pointed out, I /think/ he's trying to claim that:

20-odd year old FI + turbo > 3 year old FI (in technological terms, and
conveniently ignoring all sorts of other characteristics of the two bikes).

Alternatively, he /could/ be fishing...

Ace

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:53:24 +0100, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:

>Ace wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:15:15 +0100, Champ <ukrm@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>My oldest bike (18 years this year) is the most technologically
>>>advanced
>>
>> How do you figure that one then? Shirley the EMS on the gixxer will be
>> much more advanced, in processing terms, than that on the turbo?
>
>As others have pointed out, I /think/ he's trying to claim that:
>
>20-odd year old FI + turbo > 3 year old FI (in technological terms, and
>conveniently ignoring all sorts of other characteristics of the two bikes).

Well yes, clearly, but equally clearly he's not thought about how much
information is being sampled and acted on in the two systems...

>Alternatively, he /could/ be fishing...

Shorely not?

--
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GSX-R1000K3, CB400F2
BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, BOTCdV#1

Champ

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:21:14 +0100, "sweller" <ng@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>Champ wrote:
>
>> My oldest bike (18 years this year) is the most technologically
>> advanced
>
>I assume you mean the Turbo?

Yes.

>I'd take issue that its the most advance technologically, especially
>compared against your GSXR.
>
>It's got a Turbo. So what? I've worked on 50 year old diesels that had
>turbos. Not exactly cutting edge.

<reads>

>The materials; the calculations; the equipment used to design and
>manufacture your GSXR are far more advanced than the paper; slide rule
>and pencil used in 1971 (?) to come up with the Z engine.

<waits>

>The amount of modern and advanced technology that makes the fuel
>injection system as effective as it undoubtably is trumps your rather
>primitive turbo.

Pah - the turbo has fuel injection too!


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GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

Champ

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:53:24 +0100, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:

>Ace wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:15:15 +0100, Champ <ukrm@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>My oldest bike (18 years this year) is the most technologically
>>>advanced
>>
>> How do you figure that one then? Shirley the EMS on the gixxer will be
>> much more advanced, in processing terms, than that on the turbo?
>
>As others have pointed out, I /think/ he's trying to claim that:
>
>20-odd year old FI + turbo > 3 year old FI (in technological terms, and
>conveniently ignoring all sorts of other characteristics of the two bikes).

Just being a bit lazy, really. OK, it's got digital FI, a turbo,
anti-dive etc etc. The gixxer has water cooling & 16 valves, but
otherwise it's pretyy much a UJM

>Alternatively, he /could/ be fishing...

I wasn't.
--
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GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

Ace

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:14:14 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:53:24 +0100, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:

>>>>My oldest bike (18 years this year) is the most technologically
>>>>advanced

>>20-odd year old FI + turbo > 3 year old FI (in technological terms, and
>>conveniently ignoring all sorts of other characteristics of the two bikes).
>
>Just being a bit lazy, really. OK, it's got digital FI, a turbo,
>anti-dive etc etc. The gixxer has water cooling & 16 valves, but
>otherwise it's pretyy much a UJM

And you don't think the superior engine design, suspension components,
aerodynamics, electronics etc. etc. count as technology?

--
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GSX-R1000K3, CB400F2
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Eddie

Champ wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:53:24 +0100, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:
>>
>>As others have pointed out, I /think/ he's trying to claim that:
>>
>>20-odd year old FI + turbo > 3 year old FI (in technological terms, and
>>conveniently ignoring all sorts of other characteristics of the two bikes).
>
> Just being a bit lazy, really. OK, it's got digital FI, a turbo,
> anti-dive etc etc. The gixxer has water cooling & 16 valves, but
> otherwise it's pretyy much a UJM

Yeah, but water-cooled, multi-valve engines were around 20-odd years
ago. What about all the other flashy stuff: fancy coating on the forks;
materials used in the construction of the frame, engine, etc., that just
couldn't be worked with back then; ram-air, even?

>>Alternatively, he /could/ be fishing...
>
> I wasn't.

Ah, well. One man's lazy response is another man's bait.

Champ

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:25:29 +0200, Ace <b.rogers@virgin.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:14:14 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:53:24 +0100, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:
>
>>>>>My oldest bike (18 years this year) is the most technologically
>>>>>advanced
>
>>>20-odd year old FI + turbo > 3 year old FI (in technological terms, and
>>>conveniently ignoring all sorts of other characteristics of the two bikes).
>>
>>Just being a bit lazy, really. OK, it's got digital FI, a turbo,
>>anti-dive etc etc. The gixxer has water cooling & 16 valves, but
>>otherwise it's pretyy much a UJM
>
>And you don't think the superior engine design, suspension components,
>aerodynamics, electronics etc. etc. count as technology?

Mebbe. But evoluntionary refinements in, say, materials technology
(thus allowing high revs, for example) don't get the juices going the
way the word T U R B O !!! does, do they :-)
--
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GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

flash@work