Running In Guide

Seen in another place, the guide basically says you should have it
mostly run in by 20 miles. He reckons it works well, but there's no
independent proof. Seems to agree with the champ running in method, I
think.

Does it sound right or is it bollocks:
http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Christofire
<chris@ukrm.org> typed
>Seen in another place, the guide basically says you should have it
>mostly run in by 20 miles. He reckons it works well, but there's no
>independent proof. Seems to agree with the champ running in method, I
>think.
>
>Does it sound right or is it bollocks:
>http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

"The results are always the same... a dramatic increase in power at all
RPMs."

Compared to what, exactly?

How dramatic?

Well? Well?

Not that I'm looking for a reason to cane the tits of the 1400 on
Saturday, or anything.

--
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Suzuki TS250 "The Africa Single" Honda ST1100 wiv trailer Norton 850 Commando
Kawasaki GTR1400

Christofire wrote:
> Seen in another place, the guide basically says you should have it
> mostly run in by 20 miles. He reckons it works well, but there's no
> independent proof. Seems to agree with the champ running in method, I
> think.
>
> Does it sound right or is it bollocks:

My 6R has just ticked past 45,000 and it was run in using the Ade "Take it
easy for the first tankful and then go for it method" and, my sheer
incompetence aside, it's never given me a lick of bother. Even now, after
all of the neglect, missed services and crashes, it still starts every
morning, first time, on the button.

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On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:56:27 -0700, Christofire <chris@ukrm.org>
wrote:

>Seen in another place, the guide basically says you should have it
>mostly run in by 20 miles. He reckons it works well, but there's no
>independent proof. Seems to agree with the champ running in method, I
>think.
>
>Does it sound right or is it bollocks:
>http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

Hum. Seen it before somewhere. Everything he says makes sense in
itself and is similar to breaking in two-strokes on a track to a
certain extent from what I can recall. I'd be wary of using that exact
technique on an older air-cooled design like a Guzzi, though.
Assuming that he's right about the honing and other modern engine
details.

Just one trivial detail: he says "thousands of psi" in the combustion
chamber, but I read somewhere that ignition raises combustion pressure
by about 5 times in a petrol engine, so given say an effective CR of
10:1 (WOT) then that's only about 750psi. Yeah, nit picking.

--
-Pip

Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:

> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Christofire
> <chris@ukrm.org> typed
> > Seen in another place, the guide basically says you should have it
> > mostly run in by 20 miles. He reckons it works well, but there's no
> > independent proof. Seems to agree with the champ running in method,
> > I think.
> >
> > Does it sound right or is it bollocks:
> > http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
>
> "The results are always the same... a dramatic increase in power at
> all RPMs."
>
> Compared to what, exactly?
>
> How dramatic?
>
> Well? Well?
>
> Not that I'm looking for a reason to cane the tits of the 1400 on
> Saturday, or anything.

Of course not, and I didn't post it thinking about this, Sweller's
engine woes.

AndyRs plans are a bonus though.

--
Christofire DIAABTCOD#1 DS#9 ZX-10R

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Christofire <chris@ukrm.org> saying
something like:

>Does it sound right or is it bollocks:
>http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

Basically he's jimmying on about avoiding bore glazing. All well and
good and I agree with him on that, but I think he's talking bollocks
about the quicky 20-mile run-in process, at least in the long term. For
example, you can run-in a competition engine very quickly, but it's not
intended to do 100,000 miles.

As ever, what use the engine will be put to dictates treatment and
everything is a trade-off for purpose.
--
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

Teach a man to fish and he and his pikey mates will have the
river cleaned out in a day.

christofire wrote:

> Of course not, and I didn't post it thinking about this, Sweller's
> engine woes.

Mine's gone tits up because of overheating, probably caused by a shortage
of oil (not enough to lube /and/ cool).

I have a feeling I may know when this occurred and it may involve the M27.
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.re...g/d3e1a150962c
3b37

It's run ok for a year before the cam followers gave up the ghost so I
may just sling it all back together.

The pistons are 6 thou under spec the bores will get a honing. The crate
is back in the game.

--
Simon

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember Christofire <chris@ukrm.org>
> saying something like:
>
>> Does it sound right or is it bollocks:
>> http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
>
> Basically he's jimmying on about avoiding bore glazing. All well and
> good and I agree with him on that, but I think he's talking bollocks
> about the quicky 20-mile run-in process, at least in the long term.
> For example, you can run-in a competition engine very quickly, but
> it's not intended to do 100,000 miles.
>
> As ever, what use the engine will be put to dictates treatment and
> everything is a trade-off for purpose.

We have done this here before and I pointed to this chaps website.
I kinda hold with him though, ish.
Take it real easy for the first tankful then slowly wind it up to the 500
mile service, remembering engines sometimes use a different oil to that
point, then gun it.

Although I don't agree myself, some people think 996's can be fragile. Mine
got this treatment and after the first service was taken for a weekend at
Knockhill track in 25 deg heat (1). It ran flawlessly and quietly until I
sold it with 12K on the clock.

(1) the first and only time they had those temperatures

--
Hog
'03 ST4S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400

sweller wrote:
> christofire wrote:
>
>> Of course not, and I didn't post it thinking about this, Sweller's
>> engine woes.
>
> Mine's gone tits up because of overheating, probably caused by a
> shortage of oil (not enough to lube /and/ cool).
>
> I have a feeling I may know when this occurred and it may involve the
> M27.
> http://groups.google.com/group/uk.re...g/d3e1a150962c
> 3b37
>
> It's run ok for a year before the cam followers gave up the ghost so I
> may just sling it all back together.
>
> The pistons are 6 thou under spec the bores will get a honing. The
> crate is back in the game.

Have you seen the size of the oil cooler on my Bastard12? one of those
should do the trick!

--
Hog
'03 ST4S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400

Hog wrote:

> > I have a feeling I may know when this occurred and it may involve the
> > M27.
> >
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.re...g/d3e1a150962c
3b37

> > It's run ok for a year before the cam followers gave up the ghost so I
> > may just sling it all back together.

> Have you seen the size of the oil cooler on my Bastard12? one of those
> should do the trick!

Do they have thermostats?

--
Simon

"Christofire" <chris@ukrm.org> wrote in message
news:1186091787.621123.278780@g12g2000prg.googlegr oups.com...
> Seen in another place, the guide basically says you should have it
> mostly run in by 20 miles. He reckons it works well, but there's no
> independent proof. Seems to agree with the champ running in method, I
> think.
>
> Does it sound right or is it bollocks:
> http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

Well I can only go on the two bikes that I had from new, which I religiously
warmed up before riding off, and changed the oil/filter at half the
recommended intervals. That saved me several hundred quid in servicing
charges from my friendly Kawasaki dealer at the time. They used to start
adjusting whatever it is they should, pause, re-check, then put everything
back together again. Used to halve the time a main service took, and after
the first time it happened they were decent enough to not charge me the full
service cost because of it.

--
Dan White
(dan@finex666.org.uk)
Perform an exorcism when replying.

	#1
Christofire	Running In Guide - Good or Bad? Seen in another place, the guide basically says you should have it mostly run in by 20 miles. He reckons it works well, but there's no independent proof. Seems to agree with the champ running in method, I think. Does it sound right or is it bollocks: http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

	#2
Wicked Uncle Nigel	Re: Running In Guide - Good or Bad? Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Christofire <chris@ukrm.org> typed >Seen in another place, the guide basically says you should have it >mostly run in by 20 miles. He reckons it works well, but there's no >independent proof. Seems to agree with the champ running in method, I >think. > >Does it sound right or is it bollocks: >http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm "The results are always the same... a dramatic increase in power at all RPMs." Compared to what, exactly? How dramatic? Well? Well? Not that I'm looking for a reason to cane the tits of the 1400 on Saturday, or anything. -- Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest" WS* GHPOTHUF#24 APOSTLE#14 DLC#1 COFF#20 BOTAFOT#150 HYPO#0(KoTL) IbW#41 SBS#39 OMF#6 Enfield 500 Curry House Racer "The Basmati Rice Burner", Honda GL1000K2 (Fallen apart) Kawasaki ZN1300 Voyager "Oh, Oh, It's so big" Suzuki TS250 "The Africa Single" Honda ST1100 wiv trailer Norton 850 Commando Kawasaki GTR1400

	#3
AndrewR	Re: Running In Guide - Good or Bad? Christofire wrote: > Seen in another place, the guide basically says you should have it > mostly run in by 20 miles. He reckons it works well, but there's no > independent proof. Seems to agree with the champ running in method, I > think. > > Does it sound right or is it bollocks: My 6R has just ticked past 45,000 and it was run in using the Ade "Take it easy for the first tankful and then go for it method" and, my sheer incompetence aside, it's never given me a lick of bother. Even now, after all of the neglect, missed services and crashes, it still starts every morning, first time, on the button. -- AndrewR, D.Bot (Celeritas) Kawasaki ZX-6R J1 (offers?), Aprilia RSV-1000R (11th August), Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo BOTAFOT#2,ITJWTFO#6,UKRMRM#1/13a,MCT#1,DFV#2,SKoGA#0 (and KotL) BotToS#5,SBS#25,IbW#34, DS#5, COSOC# Suspended, KotTFSTR# The speccy Geordie twat. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access

	#4
Pip Luscher	Re: Running In Guide - Good or Bad? On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:56:27 -0700, Christofire <chris@ukrm.org> wrote: >Seen in another place, the guide basically says you should have it >mostly run in by 20 miles. He reckons it works well, but there's no >independent proof. Seems to agree with the champ running in method, I >think. > >Does it sound right or is it bollocks: >http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm Hum. Seen it before somewhere. Everything he says makes sense in itself and is similar to breaking in two-strokes on a track to a certain extent from what I can recall. I'd be wary of using that exact technique on an older air-cooled design like a Guzzi, though. Assuming that he's right about the honing and other modern engine details. Just one trivial detail: he says "thousands of psi" in the combustion chamber, but I read somewhere that ignition raises combustion pressure by about 5 times in a petrol engine, so given say an effective CR of 10:1 (WOT) then that's only about 750psi. Yeah, nit picking. -- -Pip

	#6
Grimly Curmudgeon	Re: Running In Guide - Good or Bad? We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Christofire <chris@ukrm.org> saying something like: >Does it sound right or is it bollocks: >http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm Basically he's jimmying on about avoiding bore glazing. All well and good and I agree with him on that, but I think he's talking bollocks about the quicky 20-mile run-in process, at least in the long term. For example, you can run-in a competition engine very quickly, but it's not intended to do 100,000 miles. As ever, what use the engine will be put to dictates treatment and everything is a trade-off for purpose. -- Dave GS850x2 XS650 SE6a Teach a man to fish and he and his pikey mates will have the river cleaned out in a day.

	#7
sweller	Re: Running In Guide - Good or Bad? christofire wrote: > Of course not, and I didn't post it thinking about this, Sweller's > engine woes. Mine's gone tits up because of overheating, probably caused by a shortage of oil (not enough to lube /and/ cool). I have a feeling I may know when this occurred and it may involve the M27. http://groups.google.com/group/uk.re...g/d3e1a150962c 3b37 It's run ok for a year before the cam followers gave up the ghost so I may just sling it all back together. The pistons are 6 thou under spec the bores will get a honing. The crate is back in the game. -- Simon

	#11
Dan White	Re: Running In Guide - Good or Bad? "Christofire" <chris@ukrm.org> wrote in message news:1186091787.621123.278780@g12g2000prg.googlegr oups.com... > Seen in another place, the guide basically says you should have it > mostly run in by 20 miles. He reckons it works well, but there's no > independent proof. Seems to agree with the champ running in method, I > think. > > Does it sound right or is it bollocks: > http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm Well I can only go on the two bikes that I had from new, which I religiously warmed up before riding off, and changed the oil/filter at half the recommended intervals. That saved me several hundred quid in servicing charges from my friendly Kawasaki dealer at the time. They used to start adjusting whatever it is they should, pause, re-check, then put everything back together again. Used to halve the time a main service took, and after the first time it happened they were decent enough to not charge me the full service cost because of it. -- Dan White (dan@finex666.org.uk) Perform an exorcism when replying.