John S.

On Aug 6, 1:30 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Don't ask me for a study that backs up such a statement, it's just
> obvious.

Then why are you filling up space by stating the obvious.

> Every time you get on the road you see these wild vehicles
> (usually SUVs and larger vehicles) zigzagging all around playing a
> game of Russian Roulette --a game they always win since they are
> bigger...
>
> So there I was last night riding my scooter with my girlfriend
> (sitting ducks, so to speak), taking the middle lane on a three lane
> road, when a beat-up van with three terrorist rats* cut me off almost
> to the point of making catastrophic contact (*forgive me my jungle
> talk referring to the small time predators, unlike the big time
> predators in SUVs).

I can't imagine why anyone would ride a motorcycle let along a motor
scooter in heavy traffic. Two wheeled vehicles turn vehicular safety
on it's head. Instead of the vehicle providing some semblance of
safety and protection for the driver and passenger, riders straddle
the motorbike and protect it in crashes! Amazing!!

>
> WHY? Well, I know that if I had had a gun I would have emptied it in
> his head and so feeding the ROAD RAGE ESCALATION, but I didn't and I
> wouldn't have caught up with him anyway.

It would appear that you are the one who should be removed from the
highway. Next time you might be behind a larger vehicle or have a
firearm in hand.


The remainder of your post is not even worth commenting on so I
deleted it.

AndrewR

John S. wrote:

> I can't imagine why anyone would ride a motorcycle let along a motor
> scooter in heavy traffic.

a) Because when the heavy traffic grinds to a halt you don't have to.

b) It's fun

c) Because you sit higher than car occupants you can pull up alongside cars
with attractive young women in and peer down in the hope that they're
driving wearing black stockings, and that the clutch action has caused their
short skirt to ride up, exposing a creamy white thigh and then, when they
see you looking, they start unfastening the buttons of their blouse and ...
ahem.

> Two wheeled vehicles turn vehicular safety
> on it's head.

<Shrug> It's not all about safety.

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Paul Carmichael

AndrewR wrote:
> John S. wrote:

>>I can't imagine why anyone would ride a motorcycle let along a motor
>>scooter in heavy traffic.
>
>
> a) Because when the heavy traffic grinds to a halt you don't have to.

In the USA they do. Dem der yanks ain't allowed to filter.

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proehling

"Paul Carmichael" <arse@tit.com> wrote

>> a) Because when the heavy traffic grinds to a halt you don't have to.
>
> In the USA they do. Dem der yanks ain't allowed to filter.

Wrongo. A healthy percentage of the nation's bikers live and ride in
California, where splitting -"filtering"- is perfectly legal.

AndrewR

Paul Carmichael wrote:
> AndrewR wrote:

>> a) Because when the heavy traffic grinds to a halt you don't have
>> to.
>
> In the USA they do. Dem der yanks ain't allowed to filter.

*Another* reason not to live in America, eh?

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donquijote1954

On Aug 6, 2:02 pm, "AndrewR" <and...@rockface.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> John S. wrote:
> > I can't imagine why anyone would ride a motorcycle let along a motor
> > scooter in heavy traffic.
>
> a) Because when the heavy traffic grinds to a halt you don't have to.
>
> b) It's fun
>
> c) Because you sit higher than car occupants you can pull up alongside cars
> with attractive young women in and peer down in the hope that they're
> driving wearing black stockings, and that the clutch action has caused their
> short skirt to ride up, exposing a creamy white thigh and then, when they
> see you looking, they start unfastening the buttons of their blouse and ...
> ahem.

Yeap, they miss all that excitement. That's why I left my girlfriend's
stupid Lexus home.

Though being next to her, I can only catch a passing glance at those
creamy white thighs...

donquijote1954

On Aug 6, 2:19 pm, "Mungo \"Two Sheds\" Toadfoot"
<eastREMOVEk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dan L wrote:
> > donquijote1954 wrote:
>
> >> Don't ask me for a study that backs up such a statement, it's just
> >> obvious. Every time you get on the road you see these wild vehicles
> >> (usually SUVs and larger vehicles) zigzagging all around playing a
> >> game of Russian Roulette --a game they always win since they are
> >> bigger...
>
> >> So there I was last night riding my scooter
> > <Snip>
>
> > Enough said...
>
> Beat me to it.
>
> Oi! Donkeywotsit... get some more CCs under you!

Well, it's not a 49cc either. Would 150cc impress you?

Anyway I was caught myself (cc or no cc) in the bottleneck caused by a
few cars.

donquijote1954

On Aug 6, 3:03 pm, "AndrewR" <and...@rockface.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Paul Carmichael wrote:
> > AndrewR wrote:
> >> a) Because when the heavy traffic grinds to a halt you don't have
> >> to.
>
> > In the USA they do. Dem der yanks ain't allowed to filter.
>
> *Another* reason not to live in America, eh?
>

Yeah, but what to do with the 300 million that are already living here?

Bob Myers

"John S." <hjsjms@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1186422640.053293.10130@b79g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
> I can't imagine why anyone would ride a motorcycle let along a motor
> scooter in heavy traffic. Two wheeled vehicles turn vehicular safety
> on it's head. Instead of the vehicle providing some semblance of
> safety and protection for the driver and passenger, riders straddle
> the motorbike and protect it in crashes! Amazing!!

Presumably, you're one of the poor cage drivers who are
reading this courtesy of rec.autos.blabbingonmycellphone or
some other such group, but you would REALLY be amazed
at the number of us who believe that motorcycling is actually
the far better choice. Imagine the improvement in both
safety AND the environment if everyone you see when next
you encounter "heavy traffic" was on a bike...

(Hint: you actually have to stay awake/alert to ride a
motorcycle, and it's MUCH harder to ride a motorcycle
if you're trying to talk on your phone, juggle a hot cup of
coffee, and fix your makeup all at the same time.)

Bob M.

AndrewR

Bob Myers wrote:

> (Hint: you actually have to stay awake/alert to ride a
> motorcycle, and it's MUCH harder to ride a motorcycle
> if you're trying to talk on your phone, juggle a hot cup of
> coffee, and fix your makeup all at the same time.)

Very true, that's why I *always* make sure that I leave a few minutes in the
morning to fix my make-up before I get on the bike. Then I only have to
worry about my phone and the coffee.

I don't get it, though - loads of tank bags have a clear plastic pocket at
the top you can put your phone in, so that you can text as you ride along,
but none of them seem to have a cup holder. It was really just luck that I
found you can easily wedge a plastic cup between the throttle and the front
brake lever. Without that my coffee would go *everywhere*

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proehling

"AndrewR" <andrew@rockface.freeserve.co.uk> wrote

> I don't get it, though - loads of tank bags have a clear plastic pocket at
> the top you can put your phone in, so that you can text as you ride along,
> but none of them seem to have a cup holder.

You obviously don't ride a Harley.

See http://www.ngatraders.com/motorcycle...ge_holder.html

AndrewR

proehling wrote:

> You obviously don't ride a Harley.

Was it the wedding ring that gave it away?

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"proehling" <peter_roehling@eee.org> wrote in
news:13bf2msnn592j64@corp.supernews.com:

>
> "AndrewR" <andrew@rockface.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
>
>> I don't get it, though - loads of tank bags have a clear plastic
>> pocket at the top you can put your phone in, so that you can text as
>> you ride along, but none of them seem to have a cup holder.
>
> You obviously don't ride a Harley.
>
> See http://www.ngatraders.com/motorcycle...ge_holder.html
>
>

That would never work on a Hardly Divotson. The vibration would shake all
the liquid out.

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vulgarandmischevious

On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:28:33 +0200 Paul Carmichael wrote:

>AndrewR wrote:
>> John S. wrote:
>
>>>I can't imagine why anyone would ride a motorcycle let along a motor
>>>scooter in heavy traffic.
>>
>>
>> a) Because when the heavy traffic grinds to a halt you don't have to.
>
>In the USA they do. Dem der yanks ain't allowed to filter.

Some are. Some do it anyway.


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In article <1186430624.514341.143450@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups .com>,
nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com says...
>On Aug 6, 3:03 pm, "AndrewR" <and...@rockface.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>> Paul Carmichael wrote:
>> > AndrewR wrote:
>> >> a) Because when the heavy traffic grinds to a halt you don't have
>> >> to.
>>
>> > In the USA they do. Dem der yanks ain't allowed to filter.
>>
>> *Another* reason not to live in America, eh?
>>
>
>Yeah, but what to do with the 300 million that are already living here?
>
>
Put them on scooters and send them out to play with blind SUV drivers.
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In article <1186430445.479810.249820@b79g2000hse.googlegroups .com>,
nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com says...
>Well, it's not a 49cc either. Would 150cc impress you?
>
Not even one beer's worth.
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AndrewR wrote:
> proehling wrote:
>
>> You obviously don't ride a Harley.
>
> Was it the wedding ring that gave it away?
>

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donquijote1954

On Aug 7, 2:30 am, Elder <carl.rob...@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote:
> In article <1186430624.514341.143...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups .com>,
> nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com says...>On Aug 6, 3:03 pm, "AndrewR" <and...@rockface.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Paul Carmichael wrote:
> >> > AndrewR wrote:
> >> >> a) Because when the heavy traffic grinds to a halt you don't have
> >> >> to.
>
> >> > In the USA they do. Dem der yanks ain't allowed to filter.
>
> >> *Another* reason not to live in America, eh?
>
> >Yeah, but what to do with the 300 million that are already living here?
>
> Put them on scooters and send them out to play with blind SUV drivers.

The SUV drivers are already blind, particularly politically...

--Windmills is always going to operate something smaller so he can be
the victim. --

You'd have said the same of Jesus if you lived in Roman times.

http://www.cavalierdaily.com/.Archiv...ae-Passion.gif

That doesn't mean that the Roman Empire wasn't real or that SUVs
aren't real. Actually Empire building begings with SUVs nowadays...

SUV OWNERS SUPPORT WAR WITH IRAQ
The Center for the Institute of Studies recently polled SUV owners
about their attitude toward war with Iraq. By a 60/40 margin, they
support it. The margin goes even higher to 80/20 when small SUVs are
eliminated from the survey, and only the larger and luxury models such
as Hummer, Ford Excursion, Lincoln Navigator, GMC Suburban and Chevy
Trailblazer are considered.

http://www.uncoveror.com/suv.htm

donquijote1954

On Aug 7, 2:31 am, Elder <carl.rob...@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote:
> In article <1186430445.479810.249...@b79g2000hse.googlegroups .com>,
> nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com says...>Well, it's not a 49cc either. Would 150cc impress you?
>
> Not even one beer's worth.

You can't tell fun and quality: 150cc Chinese made.

But like they say, "Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder."

Brimstone

donquijote1954 wrote:
> On Aug 7, 2:31 am, Elder <carl.rob...@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote:
>> In article <1186430445.479810.249...@b79g2000hse.googlegroups .com>,
>> nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com says...>Well, it's not a 49cc either.
>> Would 150cc impress you?
>>
>> Not even one beer's worth.
>
> You can't tell fun and quality: 150cc Chinese made.
>
> But like they say, "Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder."

'It was of the most beautiful colour that the eye of an artist in beer could
desire; full in body, yet brisk as a volcano; piquant, yet without a twang;
luminous as an autumn sunset; free from streakiness of taste, but, finally,
rather heady".

From "The Trumpet Major", Thomas Hardy.

donquijote1954

On Aug 7, 8:25 am, necromancer
<55_sux@worldofnecromancer_nospam_noway.org> wrote:

> You didn't indicate if the van passed you on the right or the left.
> However, this statement, "So there I was last night riding my scooter
> with my girlfriend(sitting ducks, so to speak), taking the middle lane
> on a three lane road," indicates to me that *you* were not following
> your own demands. e.g. that you expect others to obey, "slow vehicles
> keep to the right," (which they and you should do) yet you seem to be
> disregarding it yourself. That doesn't excuse the van driver for his
> actions, but you are not totally blameless. Let he who is without sin
> cast the first stone.....
>

Well, the van actually came from the left, 7 o'clock position to be
exact. But still the Rules of the Road don't mandate me to stick to
the right unless I'm the slowest, and I wasn't since I was riding with
the flow.

It was pure Natural Born Killer instinct.

donquijote1954

--You'd make it about 20 seconds in
Houston on that scooter. By hauling your girlfriend around on it, you
are showing total disregard for her. She should dump you and find
someone with a Volvo or something safe to cocoon her as she plys the
hiways and byways of this land. --

I hear they live by the Law of the Jungle in Houston too. No wonder
our president came from that area...

But let me tell you, many girls leave the comfort and security of a
boring Volvo so they can have fun in the open air. Many even follow
bearded stinking men in a Harley.

donquijote1954

These may appear random thoughts, but they are actually carefully
worded statements that in due time will form part of the Rules of the
Road under the Revolution (as a general rule, small is better)...

http://atom.smasher.org/streetparty/...ution%21& l4=

--ZigZagging is dangerous
gotta tell you I see as many motorcyclists zig zagginga as SUV/car
drivers. Actually mopeds seem to be worse by percentage as they try to
claim the road going 25mph but have to pull over with the bikes on a
hill. --

Still they present no danger TO YOU. If they get killed, fine. It's
their own damned problem if they zigzag around you. But you can't just
zigzag around them, just like they are the bullfighter. You are the
bull, comprende? Moooo...

donquijote1954

Did I say before, "smaller is better"? We can also say like in Animal
Farm, "Big is Bad, Small is Good," which shouldn't be that hard to
remember...

--If you have a point I don't get it.--

You got to be far more severe --because their criminal intent and the
consequences of their actions are that much higher-- with those who
got a lot of armor around them. Big vehicles zigzagging or pushing
around smaller vehicles (bikes, scooters, and cars) are simply
TERRORISTS. And if they are caught in the act they must pay ten times
as much --according to their weight and size.

Rich B

donquijote1954 wrote:

> Did I say before, "smaller is better"? We can also say like in Animal
> Farm, "Big is Bad, Small is Good,"

Which Animal Farm was that, then? Not the one by George Orwell, for sure.

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Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)

John S. wrote:
>I can't imagine why anyone would ride a motorcycle let along a motor
>scooter in heavy traffic.

Based on the content of the post, I'm thinking the original poster is
referring to a "liquorcycle" and not a motorcycle.


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Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)

AndrewR wrote:
>John S. wrote:
>
>> I can't imagine why anyone would ride a motorcycle let along a motor
>> scooter in heavy traffic.
>
>a) Because when the heavy traffic grinds to a halt you don't have to.
>
>b) It's fun
>
>c) Because you sit higher than car occupants you can pull up alongside cars
>with attractive young women in and peer down in the hope that they're
>driving wearing black stockings, and that the clutch action has caused their
>short skirt to ride up, exposing a creamy white thigh and then, when they
>see you looking, they start unfastening the buttons of their blouse and ...
>ahem.

How often does that happen?

>> Two wheeled vehicles turn vehicular safety
>> on it's head.
>
><Shrug> It's not all about safety.

Keep thinking that, while they're scraping you off the road with a
spoon. lmao.


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BrianNZ

Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) wrote:
> AndrewR wrote:
>> John S. wrote:
>>
>>> I can't imagine why anyone would ride a motorcycle let along a motor
>>> scooter in heavy traffic.
>> a) Because when the heavy traffic grinds to a halt you don't have to.
>>
>> b) It's fun
>>
>> c) Because you sit higher than car occupants you can pull up alongside cars
>> with attractive young women in and peer down in the hope that they're
>> driving wearing black stockings, and that the clutch action has caused their
>> short skirt to ride up, exposing a creamy white thigh and then, when they
>> see you looking, they start unfastening the buttons of their blouse and ...
>> ahem.
>
> How often does that happen?


All the time when you ride a motorcycle........


>
>>> Two wheeled vehicles turn vehicular safety
>>> on it's head.
>> <Shrug> It's not all about safety.
>
> Keep thinking that, while they're scraping you off the road with a
> spoon. lmao.
>
>

Don't think you can't end up as spagetti & meatballs inside your
crumpled cage, where 'the jaws of life' will only be used to retrieve
the dead..........

Alan Moore

On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:00:31 -0700, "proehling"
<peter_roehling@eee.org> wrote:

>
>"Paul Carmichael" <arse@tit.com> wrote
>
>>> a) Because when the heavy traffic grinds to a halt you don't have to.
>>
>> In the USA they do. Dem der yanks ain't allowed to filter.
>
>Wrongo. A healthy percentage of the nation's bikers live and ride in
>California, where splitting -"filtering"- is perfectly legal.
>
And lots of others do it when the traffic grinds to a halt, because,
after all, the police can't exactly chase you effectively in those
conditions...

Al Moore
DoD 734

(in California, so it's no issue for me...)

proehling

"Alan Moore" <alan.s.moore@comcast.net> wrote

>>> In the USA they do. Dem der yanks ain't allowed to filter.
>>
>>Wrongo. A healthy percentage of the nation's bikers live and ride in
>>California, where splitting -"filtering"- is perfectly legal.
>>
> And lots of others do it when the traffic grinds to a halt, because,
> after all, the police can't exactly chase you effectively in those
> conditions...

Unless, of course, those police also happen to be on motorcycles...

DanKMTB@gmail.com

On Aug 7, 10:52 pm, "proehling" <peter_roehl...@eee.org> wrote:
> "Alan Moore" <alan.s.mo...@comcast.net> wrote
>
> >>> In the USA they do. Dem der yanks ain't allowed to filter.
>
> >>Wrongo. A healthy percentage of the nation's bikers live and ride in
> >>California, where splitting -"filtering"- is perfectly legal.
>
> > And lots of others do it when the traffic grinds to a halt, because,
> > after all, the police can't exactly chase you effectively in those
> > conditions...
>
> Unless, of course, those police also happen to be on motorcycles...

Police motorcycles tend to be about as wide as old VW rabbits, and
about as nimble as as Suburbans. Even with Johnny wishiwereacop Hero
throwing open his door or pulling into the breakdown lane to block
you, it's very rare a police bike will catch anyone who knows how to
ride and wants to get away. If the guy running is on a decent
performance bike and knows how to ride, it's not even going to be a
chase.

Pip

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:23:13 -0000, "DanKMTB@gmail.com"
<DanKMTB@gmail.com> wrote:

>Police motorcycles tend to be about as wide as old VW rabbits, and
>about as nimble as as Suburbans. Even with Johnny wishiwereacop Hero
>throwing open his door or pulling into the breakdown lane to block
>you, it's very rare a police bike will catch anyone who knows how to
>ride and wants to get away. If the guy running is on a decent
>performance bike and knows how to ride, it's not even going to be a
>chase.

Right up to the next cloverleaf, where Jim-Bob the keen Deputy is
waiting to ram the biker off - and miss, killing other car drivers in
the process ... and blaming the biker for dodging.

That's how it works in the States, right?

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J. Clarke

DanKMTB@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 7, 10:52 pm, "proehling" <peter_roehl...@eee.org> wrote:
>> "Alan Moore" <alan.s.mo...@comcast.net> wrote
>>
>>>>> In the USA they do. Dem der yanks ain't allowed to filter.
>>
>>>> Wrongo. A healthy percentage of the nation's bikers live and ride
>>>> in California, where splitting -"filtering"- is perfectly legal.
>>
>>> And lots of others do it when the traffic grinds to a halt, because,
>>> after all, the police can't exactly chase you effectively in those
>>> conditions...
>>
>> Unless, of course, those police also happen to be on motorcycles...
>
> Police motorcycles tend to be about as wide as old VW rabbits, and
> about as nimble as as Suburbans. Even with Johnny wishiwereacop Hero
> throwing open his door or pulling into the breakdown lane to block
> you, it's very rare a police bike will catch anyone who knows how to
> ride and wants to get away. If the guy running is on a decent
> performance bike and knows how to ride, it's not even going to be a
> chase.

Until the _other_ cop in the cruiser ten cars up in the line doors him.

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In article <0vejb3lr8drca9us212786dcm9145c7lhr@4ax.com>,
Pip <gingerblokeNOSPAM@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:23:13 -0000, "DanKMTB@gmail.com"
> <DanKMTB@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Police motorcycles tend to be about as wide as old VW rabbits, and
> >about as nimble as as Suburbans. Even with Johnny wishiwereacop Hero
> >throwing open his door or pulling into the breakdown lane to block
> >you, it's very rare a police bike will catch anyone who knows how to
> >ride and wants to get away. If the guy running is on a decent
> >performance bike and knows how to ride, it's not even going to be a
> >chase.
>
> Right up to the next cloverleaf, where Jim-Bob the keen Deputy is
> waiting to ram the biker off - and miss, killing other car drivers in
> the process ... and blaming the biker for dodging.
>
> That's how it works in the States, right?

You forgot the crashing helos.

--
Mike
DL1000 Black with extra black bits. UKRMMA#22
Skype: mikebothe
I must belong somewhere

DanKMTB@gmail.com

On Aug 8, 8:50 am, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote:
> DanK...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Aug 7, 10:52 pm, "proehling" <peter_roehl...@eee.org> wrote:
> >> "Alan Moore" <alan.s.mo...@comcast.net> wrote
>
> >>>>> In the USA they do. Dem der yanks ain't allowed to filter.
>
> >>>> Wrongo. A healthy percentage of the nation's bikers live and ride
> >>>> in California, where splitting -"filtering"- is perfectly legal.
>
> >>> And lots of others do it when the traffic grinds to a halt, because,
> >>> after all, the police can't exactly chase you effectively in those
> >>> conditions...
>
> >> Unless, of course, those police also happen to be on motorcycles...
>
> > Police motorcycles tend to be about as wide as old VW rabbits, and
> > about as nimble as as Suburbans. Even with Johnny wishiwereacop Hero
> > throwing open his door or pulling into the breakdown lane to block
> > you, it's very rare a police bike will catch anyone who knows how to
> > ride and wants to get away. If the guy running is on a decent
> > performance bike and knows how to ride, it's not even going to be a
> > chase.
>
> Until the _other_ cop in the cruiser ten cars up in the line doors him.
>
> --
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> --John
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I'm sure it happens like that sometimes, but it's certainly not the
norm from what I've seen. I'm not saying the bikes are in the right,
or that I do it, but I've spent a bit of time in traffic and seen
quite a few bikes take off on Johnny Law in this circumstance. I've
never seen one caught, and I've never seen one get doored (though I
have seen people try),

I've also seen police motorcycles totally unable to get out of
gridlock traffic, using lights and sirens and still taking forever to
get to the break down lane. In that time the guy on the bike, on the
very edge of the break down lane, out of reach of doors from lane 1,
has taken off never to be seen again.

The best is the dual sport guys who just get into the grass plenty far
from traffic and cruise along. Makes me want a dual-sport every time.

Keith Schiffner

"Pip" <gingerblokeNOSPAM@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
news:0vejb3lr8drca9us212786dcm9145c7lhr@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:23:13 -0000, "DanKMTB@gmail.com"
> <DanKMTB@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Police motorcycles tend to be about as wide as old VW rabbits, and
>>about as nimble as as Suburbans. Even with Johnny wishiwereacop Hero
>>throwing open his door or pulling into the breakdown lane to block
>>you, it's very rare a police bike will catch anyone who knows how to
>>ride and wants to get away. If the guy running is on a decent
>>performance bike and knows how to ride, it's not even going to be a
>>chase.
>
> Right up to the next cloverleaf, where Jim-Bob the keen Deputy is
> waiting to ram the biker off - and miss, killing other car drivers in
> the process ... and blaming the biker for dodging.
>
> That's how it works in the States, right?

Not really. Sister Sue better than you will just climb out of her Hummer (white
92 model) and club the dumb deputy to death with her L.L. Bean Mega Boat bag.

--
Keith Schiffner
Reality is motorcycles all else is fantasy.
If you don't want to give her a hard ride you aren't a real man. Straight or gay
she gets your to grinning and acting like a fool kid.

J. Clarke

DanKMTB@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 8, 8:50 am, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote:
>> DanK...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Aug 7, 10:52 pm, "proehling" <peter_roehl...@eee.org> wrote:
>>>> "Alan Moore" <alan.s.mo...@comcast.net> wrote
>>
>>>>>>> In the USA they do. Dem der yanks ain't allowed to filter.
>>
>>>>>> Wrongo. A healthy percentage of the nation's bikers live and ride
>>>>>> in California, where splitting -"filtering"- is perfectly
>>>>>> legal.
>>
>>>>> And lots of others do it when the traffic grinds to a halt,
>>>>> because, after all, the police can't exactly chase you
>>>>> effectively in those conditions...
>>
>>>> Unless, of course, those police also happen to be on motorcycles...
>>
>>> Police motorcycles tend to be about as wide as old VW rabbits, and
>>> about as nimble as as Suburbans. Even with Johnny wishiwereacop
>>> Hero throwing open his door or pulling into the breakdown lane to
>>> block you, it's very rare a police bike will catch anyone who knows
>>> how to ride and wants to get away. If the guy running is on a
>>> decent performance bike and knows how to ride, it's not even going
>>> to be a chase.
>>
>> Until the _other_ cop in the cruiser ten cars up in the line doors
>> him.
>>
>> --
>> --
>> --John
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>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I'm sure it happens like that sometimes, but it's certainly not the
> norm from what I've seen. I'm not saying the bikes are in the right,
> or that I do it, but I've spent a bit of time in traffic and seen
> quite a few bikes take off on Johnny Law in this circumstance. I've
> never seen one caught, and I've never seen one get doored (though I
> have seen people try),
>
> I've also seen police motorcycles totally unable to get out of
> gridlock traffic, using lights and sirens and still taking forever to
> get to the break down lane. In that time the guy on the bike, on the
> very edge of the break down lane, out of reach of doors from lane 1,
> has taken off never to be seen again.

If that's where he's riding then he's not lane splitting.

But I have seen a couple of 18 wheelers pull off staggered onto the
breakdown lane specifically to block such antics. And yeah, I know for
sure that that's what they were doing--they discussed it on the CB first
to decide which two in a long line of them were going to do it.

> The best is the dual sport guys who just get into the grass plenty far
> from traffic and cruise along. Makes me want a dual-sport every time.

Don't pull that on this guy
http://www.stromtrooper.com/forums/s...ghlight=police.

Then there's the bear in the air.

Running from the one cop in a one-cop town you might get away with.
Don't try it against a major metropolitan police department.

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donquijote1954

On Aug 7, 3:43 pm, "Rich B" <richardTHEOBVIOUSbrook...@btinternet.com>
wrote:
> donquijote1954 wrote:
> > Did I say before, "smaller is better"? We can also say like in Animal
> > Farm, "Big is Bad, Small is Good,"
>
> Which Animal Farm was that, then? Not the one by George Orwell, for sure.

The one that says, "Four legs good, two legs baaaaad"...

We --me plus my dog and cat-- have been studying the lessons in Animal
Farm, and have come up with another type of revolution where the
little animals are not betrayed. The pigs are not necessary at all
(and my pets will be in the Central Committee)...

"Circus dogs jump when the trainer cracks his whip, but the really
well-trained dog is the one that turns his somersault when there is no
whip" -George Orwell

I guess that could be applied to many who do the tricks even though
the master has stopped the punishment. The trait of a good lapdog.

Anyway, let's go into Orwell's thoughts on the jungle...

(Moral: The Big Fish eats the Little Fish. Well, unless the Little
Fish get organized...)

Forget about Marx, Lenin, Che or Mao. The next Revolution will be led
by the sardines with no complicated theories and without any need for
big fishes who betray the revolution.


"If there was hope, it must lie in the SARDINES, because only there,
in those swarming disregarded masses, eighty-five per cent of the
population... could the force to destroy the SHARK ever be
generated. ...the SARDINES, if only they could somehow become
conscious of their own strength, would have no need to conspire. They
needed only to rise up and shake themselves like a horse shaking off
flies. If they chose they could blow the SHARK to pieces tomorrow
morning." -George Orwell, "1984"

Well, it's not literally what Orwell said (put the words PROLES and
PARTY in it), but you get the point: THE SARDINES SURE CAN CHALLENGE
THE SHARK!

"The hope lies in the proles," he said.

donquijote1954

On Aug 7, 7:20 pm, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver
(Hector Goldstein)" <drunk@the_wheel.com> wrote:
> John S. wrote:
> >I can't imagine why anyone would ride a motorcycle let along a motor
> >scooter in heavy traffic.
>
> Based on the content of the post, I'm thinking the original poster is
> referring to a "liquorcycle" and not a motorcycle.

Listen, I've stayed away from the booze for a long while. And I'm not
even anonymous about it. I just grew bore with it. But at this rate of
danger, I may have to join Scooter and Bicycle Anonymous. Too
dangerous to your health!

donquijote1954

On Aug 8, 8:23 am, "DanK...@gmail.com" <DanK...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 7, 10:52 pm, "proehling" <peter_roehl...@eee.org> wrote:
>
> > "Alan Moore" <alan.s.mo...@comcast.net> wrote
>
> > >>> In the USA they do. Dem der yanks ain't allowed to filter.
>
> > >>Wrongo. A healthy percentage of the nation's bikers live and ride in
> > >>California, where splitting -"filtering"- is perfectly legal.
>
> > > And lots of others do it when the traffic grinds to a halt, because,
> > > after all, the police can't exactly chase you effectively in those
> > > conditions...
>
> > Unless, of course, those police also happen to be on motorcycles...
>
> Police motorcycles tend to be about as wide as old VW rabbits, and
> about as nimble as as Suburbans. Even with Johnny wishiwereacop Hero
> throwing open his door or pulling into the breakdown lane to block
> you, it's very rare a police bike will catch anyone who knows how to
> ride and wants to get away. If the guy running is on a decent
> performance bike and knows how to ride, it's not even going to be a
> chase.

I've led the police into some wild chases in my scooter without them
ever catching me once.*

*And then I wake up.

DanKMTB@gmail.com

On Aug 8, 9:43 am, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote:
> DanK...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I'm sure it happens like that sometimes, but it's certainly not the
> > norm from what I've seen. I'm not saying the bikes are in the right,
> > or that I do it, but I've spent a bit of time in traffic and seen
> > quite a few bikes take off on Johnny Law in this circumstance. I've
> > never seen one caught, and I've never seen one get doored (though I
> > have seen people try),
>
> > I've also seen police motorcycles totally unable to get out of
> > gridlock traffic, using lights and sirens and still taking forever to
> > get to the break down lane. In that time the guy on the bike, on the
> > very edge of the break down lane, out of reach of doors from lane 1,
> > has taken off never to be seen again.
>
> If that's where he's riding then he's not lane splitting.

No, but he was until he heard the sirens behind him. Splitting lanes
is preferred in gridlock because the cop up ahead (wherever he is,
there's always one somewhere) is watching the break down lane. Once
the lane-splitter realizes Johnny Law is behind him (usually aided by
Johnny using the siren trying to move traffic out of his way) all bets
on inconspicuous are off, and it's off to the races, so to speak. At
this point you get to the edge of the breakdown, since high-speed lane
splitting through grid locked traffic isn't usually wise.


> But I have seen a couple of 18 wheelers pull off staggered onto the
> breakdown lane specifically to block such antics. And yeah, I know for
> sure that that's what they were doing--they discussed it on the CB first
> to decide which two in a long line of them were going to do it.

I've seen that move too. That'll shut down a car most of the time,
but on a bike there is usually still a hole big enough for you
somewhere.


> > The best is the dual sport guys who just get into the grass plenty far
> > from traffic and cruise along. Makes me want a dual-sport every time.
>
> Don't pull that on this guyhttp://www.stromtrooper.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11816&highlight=p....

That's the direction they should be going! If the locals around here
used those instead of these VW sized cruisers, they might catch
someone once in a while. Still, he's not catching a dual-sport in the
dirt, so if there's a trail coming up the dualie is still out. If
it's more urban and dude can't find a trail, that bike is likely to
keep tabs on him nicely.


> Then there's the bear in the air.

So they say. I'm from the Northeast, and I don't see that guy often
if ever. Never on TV, never in the news, and never involved in a
chase. I also know some guys who have done their share of running,
and they've never been caught that way. I think it's a West Coast
thing.


> Running from the one cop in a one-cop town you might get away with.
> Don't try it against a major metropolitan police department.

On a sport bike? You'll get away every time in a one cop town running
from one cop. I contend that people can get away a good portion of
the time even in cities with many cops with multiple cops perusing
them. In a place like LA where there are cops everywhere and choppers
on call they may get caught, but the suburbs of Boston or Savannah I'm
betting on the bike.

J. Clarke

DanKMTB@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 8, 9:43 am, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote:
>> DanK...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I'm sure it happens like that sometimes, but it's certainly not the
>>> norm from what I've seen. I'm not saying the bikes are in the
>>> right, or that I do it, but I've spent a bit of time in traffic and
>>> seen quite a few bikes take off on Johnny Law in this circumstance.
>>> I've never seen one caught, and I've never seen one get doored
>>> (though I have seen people try),
>>
>>> I've also seen police motorcycles totally unable to get out of
>>> gridlock traffic, using lights and sirens and still taking forever
>>> to get to the break down lane. In that time the guy on the bike,
>>> on the very edge of the break down lane, out of reach of doors from
>>> lane 1, has taken off never to be seen again.
>>
>> If that's where he's riding then he's not lane splitting.
>
> No, but he was until he heard the sirens behind him. Splitting lanes
> is preferred in gridlock because the cop up ahead (wherever he is,
> there's always one somewhere) is watching the break down lane. Once
> the lane-splitter realizes Johnny Law is behind him (usually aided by
> Johnny using the siren trying to move traffic out of his way) all bets
> on inconspicuous are off, and it's off to the races, so to speak. At
> this point you get to the edge of the breakdown, since high-speed lane
> splitting through grid locked traffic isn't usually wise.
>
>
>> But I have seen a couple of 18 wheelers pull off staggered onto the
>> breakdown lane specifically to block such antics. And yeah, I know
>> for
>> sure that that's what they were doing--they discussed it on the CB
>> first
>> to decide which two in a long line of them were going to do it.
>
> I've seen that move too. That'll shut down a car most of the time,
> but on a bike there is usually still a hole big enough for you
> somewhere.
>
>
>>> The best is the dual sport guys who just get into the grass plenty
>>> far from traffic and cruise along. Makes me want a dual-sport
>>> every time.
>>
>> Don't pull that on this
>> guyhttp://www.stromtrooper.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11816&highlight=p....
>
> That's the direction they should be going! If the locals around here
> used those instead of these VW sized cruisers, they might catch
> someone once in a while. Still, he's not catching a dual-sport in the
> dirt,

Look more closely at that photo and the forum of which it is a part.

Are you saying that a cop on a dual-sport automatically can't catch
someone else on a dual-sport? If so, you've got a big fat surprise
coming one of these days.

> so if there's a trail coming up the dualie is still out. If
> it's more urban and dude can't find a trail, that bike is likely to
> keep tabs on him nicely.
>
>
>> Then there's the bear in the air.
>
> So they say. I'm from the Northeast, and I don't see that guy often
> if ever. Never on TV, never in the news, and never involved in a
> chase. I also know some guys who have done their share of running,
> and they've never been caught that way. I think it's a West Coast
> thing.

Define "northeast". NYC certainly has police helicopters. So does
Boston. So do the NY, CT and MA staties.

>> Running from the one cop in a one-cop town you might get away with.
>> Don't try it against a major metropolitan police department.
>
> On a sport bike? You'll get away every time in a one cop town running
> from one cop.

Unless he got your license number and told the staties which way you
were going.

> I contend that people can get away a good portion of
> the time even in cities with many cops with multiple cops perusing
> them. In a place like LA where there are cops everywhere and choppers
> on call they may get caught, but the suburbs of Boston or Savannah I'm
> betting on the bike.

So you think that Boston and Savannah don't have "choppers on call" and
"cops everywhere"?

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--John
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DanKMTB@gmail.com

On Aug 8, 12:11 pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> Don't pull that on this
> >> guyhttp://www.stromtrooper.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11816&highlight=p....
>
> > That's the direction they should be going! If the locals around here
> > used those instead of these VW sized cruisers, they might catch
> > someone once in a while. Still, he's not catching a dual-sport in the
> > dirt,
>
> Look more closely at that photo and the forum of which it is a part.

I should have been more specific. Most dual-sports I see around here
(MA & NH) are dirt bikes made barely street legal. Tons of travel, no
cargo boxes or gadgets, and most importantly off-rd biased tires.
Those bikes would smoke someone on a bike like that most of the time,
assuming both riders have at least some skill.


> Are you saying that a cop on a dual-sport automatically can't catch
> someone else on a dual-sport? If so, you've got a big fat surprise
> coming one of these days.

Absolutely not. I'm saying that of two riders, both capable, one on
that bike and the other on your average in-use, not showroom dual-
sport, the guy on the other bike will win in the dirt. The average
dual-sport is likely to be set up far better for off-rd. I'd also say
that if you can't get into the woods or trails soon, that bike will
catch the average dual-sport, because it's set up to be able to lean a
bit in turns and generally handle on pavement. Dual-sports are a
giant compromise from the start, and the police bike shown there made
a lot more compromises on the dirt end to keep the bike very street-
ish. I still wouldn't want to be running from one, on or off-road,
given the choice.


> > so if there's a trail coming up the dualie is still out. If
> > it's more urban and dude can't find a trail, that bike is likely to
> > keep tabs on him nicely.
>
> >> Then there's the bear in the air.
>
> > So they say. I'm from the Northeast, and I don't see that guy often
> > if ever. Never on TV, never in the news, and never involved in a
> > chase. I also know some guys who have done their share of running,
> > and they've never been caught that way. I think it's a West Coast
> > thing.
>
> Define "northeast". NYC certainly has police helicopters. So does
> Boston. So do the NY, CT and MA staties.

MA & NH. You'd be amazed how often people just choose to run when the
police hit the blues, and how often they get away. It is not
something that makes the news, not even the papers, but get a scanner
or hang out in fast bike or fast car crowds for a bit.


> >> Running from the one cop in a one-cop town you might get away with.
> >> Don't try it against a major metropolitan police department.
>
> > On a sport bike? You'll get away every time in a one cop town running
> > from one cop.
>
> Unless he got your license number and told the staties which way you
> were going.

True. However, many bikes don't have the plate readily visible, and
they are small to begin with. As for the radio call, that's a given,
but direction and streets will be changed over and over fast.


> > I contend that people can get away a good portion of
> > the time even in cities with many cops with multiple cops perusing
> > them. In a place like LA where there are cops everywhere and choppers
> > on call they may get caught, but the suburbs of Boston or Savannah I'm
> > betting on the bike.
>
> So you think that Boston and Savannah don't have "choppers on call" and
> "cops everywhere"?

I do. I don't think that the response is the same it is in places
like L.A. I see chases in LA on TV in MA & NH. I rarely see MA or NH
chases on TV.

I have personally seen the police head over to a large group, be it
motorcycles, cars, dirt bikes or back in the day kids on pedal bikes.
Often times, one or two people run. Some do it just for fun, because
they're confident they won't get caught. Other guys were just doing
wheelies or smoke shows, and they "see the fuzz coming and don't want
to get busted". Go to a sport bike show/meet and watch a few times.
You'll see it at some car gatherings too, though those guys have a
much harder time getting away.

Martin Sylvester

<DanKMTB@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Aug 7, 10:52 pm, "proehling" <peter_roehl...@eee.org> wrote:

> Police motorcycles tend to be about as wide as old VW rabbits, and
> about as nimble as as Suburbans.

These are the sort of police bikes I'm used to seeing round here:
http://www.nottscops.co.uk/Images3/671.jpg
The vehicle in the background does not belong to Nottinghamshire Police.
It's wide *and* nimble, though. ;-)

Martin.

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