steve auvache

In article <469405FE.793AD1B1@pre.org>, ogden <ogden@pre.org> writes
>steve auvache wrote:
>>
>> In order to ramp up my anti spam efforts I am considering using one of
>> my old boxes as a mail server and moving the load there.
>
>Load? From spam filtering? What on earth are you doing with it?

Filtering sorting and sending out three or four copies of the original
spam that I get in to various reporting agencies with tools that are not
designed to deal with thousands a day. It don't help when I want a
slice of the processor time for watching streaming porn with either.


>Install VMWare Server, create a virtual machine, whack Linux (eg. Fedora
>7)

<googles>

That looks like a plan.


> on it with SpamAssassin

It starts coming apart here. I don't need 99% of spamassassin. In fact
if I am honest about all I need are simple filters[1], forwarding and a
bit of database. I could probably do most of it with awk or sed and
sendmail.


> and its ilk, manage via virtual console

Is this the name of a windows application?


> or
>SSH (Putty). Nail the priority down so it won't chew up CPU when you've
>got better things to do and you'll save a PC's worth of juice on your
>leccy bill compared to powering up another machine.


Hmmm. It actually sounds basic enough for me to do it. What is the
catch?

>

[1] I don't really need anything more than header filtering for
99.something% of all the spam I get as it is to non-existent users and
is automatically[2] spam and can go straight to spamcop with no further
ado. Simple filters such as if "Barclays" in the reply field make
identifying the secondary destinations a breeze also. Not complicated
at all and the word Bayesian never need come into it.


[2] Stuff to my live accounts is low enough volume that a white list and
a mark one eyeball is good enough.
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A Bloo one with built in safety features

ogden

steve auvache wrote:
>
> In article <469405FE.793AD1B1@pre.org>, ogden <ogden@pre.org> writes
> >Install VMWare Server, create a virtual machine, whack Linux (eg. Fedora
> >7)
>
> <googles>
>
> That looks like a plan.
>
> > and its ilk, manage via virtual console
>
> Is this the name of a windows application?

No, it's the part of VMWare Server that allows you to attach to the
console of the virtual machine. The VM can run headless pretty much all
the time, but if you need GUI access, you can fire up the console app
and you have a window on your desktop that's equivalent to sitting at
the console of a real machine.


> > or
> >SSH (Putty). Nail the priority down so it won't chew up CPU when you've
> >got better things to do and you'll save a PC's worth of juice on your
> >leccy bill compared to powering up another machine.
>
> Hmmm. It actually sounds basic enough for me to do it. What is the
> catch?

So long as you have enough memory in the host machine (the one running
VMWare, rather than the guest VM running inside VMWare) there isn't one,
really. I used to have two machines running in my flat, one windows box
for media stuff and a headless linux box behind the sofa running as a
server for email, websites, etc. A month or so ago I created a VM,
installed Fedora and migrated settings/data/IPs/etc over from the linux
box to the linux VM. Exactly the same functionality, lower electricity
bill.

The only downer is when the host OS needs a reboot for some reason. I
run it on Windows, so patch tuesday can be a bit of a bugger.
Fortunately it's possible to pause the VM, so I pop the console up,
click the pause button, reboot the host, click the play button, and the
VM comes up exactly where it left off, even with all TCP sessions open
so no remote users get booted off.

Virtualisation. It's /so/ zeitgeisty it hurts.

--
ogden
sv650 - surprisingly quick for a girl's bike

dog

ogden wrote:
> The only downer is when the host OS needs a reboot for some reason. I
> run it on Windows, so patch tuesday can be a bit of a bugger.

why not run the windows in a vm too then? host it on a debian that never
needs rebooting ever[1].

[1] well, openbsd would be better, but vmware only runs on windows xp/2000
or linux
--
dog
sl1000 two#5

ogden

dog wrote:
>
> ogden wrote:
> > The only downer is when the host OS needs a reboot for some reason. I
> > run it on Windows, so patch tuesday can be a bit of a bugger.
>
> why not run the windows in a vm too then? host it on a debian that never
> needs rebooting ever[1].

Because, cunningly, I don't have an install CD for a version of XP that
matches the serial for that box. I'd also rather have Windows able to
talk natively to all the hardware and not use an abstraction layer, as I
occasionally plug some odd (read: el-cheapo freeview dongle) hardware
into it and I dread to think what Debian would make of that.

For something which doesn't require fancy hardware support, a VM is
great, hence why I have a self-contained linux box running as the guest.

--
ogden
sv650 - surprisingly quick for a girl's bike

Phil Launchbury

In article <LNol5IA$HBlGFw6A@auvache.force9.co.uk>, steve auvache wrote:
> In article <469405FE.793AD1B1@pre.org>, ogden <ogden@pre.org> writes
>
>>Install VMWare Server, create a virtual machine, whack Linux (eg. Fedora
>>7)
>
><googles>
>
> That looks like a plan.

Indeed it does. Especially as VMWare themselves have a number of
pre-made mail appliance images that you can play with.

> It starts coming apart here. I don't need 99% of spamassassin. In fact
> if I am honest about all I need are simple filters[1], forwarding and a
> bit of database. I could probably do most of it with awk or sed and
> sendmail.

You can disable it...

>> and its ilk, manage via virtual console
>
> Is this the name of a windows application?

Or linux. It's the VMWare app for managing VMWare sessions.

If you want a permanent hardware firewall with anti-spam & antivirus
capability (albeit with an annual cost for the anti-virus license) you
could do a lot worse than Astaro linux..

Phil.

--
Phil Launchbury, IT PHB
'I'm training the bats that live in my cube
to juggle mushrooms'

christofire

ogden wrote:

> Because, cunningly, I don't have an install CD for a version of XP
> that matches the serial for that box.

P2V converter. Make a VM out of your physical computer.

> I'd also rather have Windows
> able to talk natively to all the hardware and not use an abstraction
> layer, as I occasionally plug some odd (read: el-cheapo freeview
> dongle) hardware into it and I dread to think what Debian would make
> of that.

Ah.

--
Christofire DIAABTCOD#1 DS#9 ZX-10R

steve auvache

In article <4694936e$0$31712$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>, dog
<dog@dev.null> writes
>ogden wrote:
>> The only downer is when the host OS needs a reboot for some reason. I
>> run it on Windows, so patch tuesday can be a bit of a bugger.
>
>why not run the windows in a vm too then? host it on a debian that never
>needs rebooting ever[1].

You ain't ever installed Vm have you? I can tell you know. it is not
quite the easy peasy piece of piss that oggers implies.

>
>[1] well, openbsd would be better,

Frankly, having been to the Fedora web site and wasted 4 hours of my
life in the early hours of this morning doing battle with what they
probably feel is a logical and easily usable layout and format I am
inclined to say that set against the difficulties they put before you
anything would be better than that particular piece of freeware.

The decision remains to be made whether to press on down that route and
use the knowledge gained thus far or start afresh with another distro of
unknown embuggeration quotient.


--
steve auvache
A Bloo one with built in safety features

steve auvache

In article <slrnf998km.66i.phill@tabby.launchbury.org.uk>, Phil
Launchbury <phill@launchbury.org.uk> writes
> you
>could do a lot worse than Astaro linux..

and thus it starts.


--
steve auvache
A Bloo one with built in safety features

ginge

steve auvache wrote:

> >why not run the windows in a vm too then? host it on a debian that never
> >needs rebooting ever[1].
>
> You ain't ever installed Vm have you? I can tell you know. it is not
> quite the easy peasy piece of piss that oggers implies.

Huh?

Run the setup program, bit of rebooting, create the virtual machine.
tis a portion of piddle.


> Frankly, having been to the Fedora web site and wasted 4 hours of my
> life in the early hours of this morning doing battle with what they
> probably feel is a logical and easily usable layout and format I am
> inclined to say that set against the difficulties they put before you
> anything would be better than that particular piece of freeware.

Double huh?

I just go to

ftp://ftp.mirrorservice.org/sites/do...om/pub/fedora/
linux/releases/7/Fedora/i386/iso

Grab the DVD Iso, mount it under vmware and shazam.. let's install!

Phil Launchbury

In article <nPoO5EB+4TlGFw$Y@auvache.force9.co.uk>, steve auvache wrote:
> In article <4694936e$0$31712$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>, dog
><dog@dev.null> writes
>>
>>why not run the windows in a vm too then? host it on a debian that never
>>needs rebooting ever[1].
>
> You ain't ever installed Vm have you? I can tell you know. it is not
> quite the easy peasy piece of piss that oggers implies.

Err.. what's so hard? I use it all the time at work and home and I've
never had a problem..

Phil

--
Phil Launchbury, IT PHB
'I'm training the bats that live in my cube
to juggle mushrooms'

dog

steve auvache wrote:
> Mind you the minute I saw the words perl and python in the literature I
> knew it was all hung together by folks with no grasp of reality even
> when functioning without the aid of mind altering drugs.

hey, google uses a *lot* of python and they are pretty pragmatic people.
--
dog
sl1000 two#5

Des

steve auvache <dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:

> I have at least got a Linux system working[2][3] and am logging into a
> console as root and seem to be able to get back to windows without too
> much effort and can thus declare this part of the game working.
>
> I remain unimpressed with the fedora (Linux) install process

Hardly surprising if you use a system that's for tinkerers and students.
Here, this will put an end to the pain you're suffering ...

http://www.uk.freebsd.org/

D.

--
des | 'trop d'la balle, j'kiffe grave!'
BMW K100-LT

dog

steve auvache wrote:
> [1] If it wants me to unpack jar files and recompile the kernel from the
> command line and all that bollox on patch Tuesday then it is off this
> machine faster than ukrm could consume beer and pizza.

there is no patch tuesday for linux.

> I expect point
> and click for that sort of stuff.

just what kind of unix was it you were an expert in, anyway?
--
dog
sl1000 two#5

steve auvache

In article <469642f5$0$31726$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>, dog
<dog@dev.null> writes
>steve auvache wrote:
>> [1] If it wants me to unpack jar files and recompile the kernel from the
>> command line and all that bollox on patch Tuesday then it is off this
>> machine faster than ukrm could consume beer and pizza.
>
>there is no patch tuesday for linux.
>
>> I expect point
>> and click for that sort of stuff.
>
>just what kind of unix was it you were an expert in, anyway?

I am not sure expert is quite the right word but I taught Solaris to Sys
Admins for Sun as my last IT related role which, by my reckoning, means
I am capable of reading the manual and translating it into sense for
others.

Definitely a case of, "those who can do and those who can't teach."
Sadly though I was just a touch too good at the second to qualify for
the "those who can't do either become highly paid management
consultants" bit.


--
steve auvache
A Bloo one with built in safety features

steve auvache

In article <28shm4-q6e.ln1@sivan.coughlan.fr>, Des <des@yahoo.fr> writes
>steve auvache <dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> I have at least got a Linux system working[2][3] and am logging into a
>> console as root and seem to be able to get back to windows without too
>> much effort and can thus declare this part of the game working.
>>
>> I remain unimpressed with the fedora (Linux) install process
>
>Hardly surprising if you use a system that's for tinkerers and students.
>Here, this will put an end to the pain you're suffering ...

You don't know how tempted I am to join the rants about the user
friendliness or otherwise of Linux distros, really you don't.

>
>http://www.uk.freebsd.org/

Not as long as my arse points downwards

--
steve auvache
A Bloo one with built in safety features

Des

steve auvache <dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
> In article <28shm4-q6e.ln1@sivan.coughlan.fr>, Des <des@yahoo.fr> writes
>>steve auvache <dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:

>>http://www.uk.freebsd.org/

> Not as long as my arse points downwards

You should consider it. I was never more than an average sysadmin, but
even I managed to get the school's webserver up in a day, and ..

[desmond@rachi]/home/desmond(58): uptime
6:43PM up 167 days, 20:56, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

D.


--
des | 'trop d'la balle, j'kiffe grave!'
BMW K100-LT

Paul Corfield

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:06:19 +0100, steve auvache
<dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:

>Time is something I am not too sure about. I suppose this is as good a
>time as any to get this of my chest but I have to tell the group
>something rather embarrassing about myself and what is happening with me
>right now. Demeaning I know but as of Friday I have a job. I will
>understand if you all stop talking to me and stuff and won't hold it
>against you but I felt is was right thing for me to do.

Doing what exactly?
--
Paul C - "the big camp bastard" (tm d.a.r.s.y)
VFR800 | ZX6R | R1150GS
BOD#5, two#4, BOTAFOT#23, BOTAFOF#4, URMSBC#09, COFF#09
Admits to working for London Underground!

deadmail@burnt.org.uk

Paul Corfield <aooy65@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
<kitc93lee43291pv2u11118sspb2g3o5nm@4ax.com>:

>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:06:19 +0100, steve auvache
><dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>Time is something I am not too sure about. I suppose this is as good a
>>time as any to get this of my chest but I have to tell the group
>>something rather embarrassing about myself and what is happening with me
>>right now. Demeaning I know but as of Friday I have a job. I will
>>understand if you all stop talking to me and stuff and won't hold it
>>against you but I felt is was right thing for me to do.
>
>Doing what exactly?

Working for one of Cane's agencies?

Shag a Grandad; he'll dribble worther flavoured saliva all over you,
take his teeth out and give you a good gumming. If you're really
fortunate he might even take his socks off too.

I understand it's a franchise operation and that the Bedford (ish)
branch is about to setup too.
--
K75RT, K1100LT, ZXR750H1, 5TA.

I know I aint doing much,
doing nothing means a lot to me.

steve auvache

In article <kitc93lee43291pv2u11118sspb2g3o5nm@4ax.com>, Paul Corfield
<aooy65@dsl.pipex.com> writes
>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:06:19 +0100, steve auvache
><dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>Time is something I am not too sure about. I suppose this is as good a
>>time as any to get this of my chest but I have to tell the group
>>something rather embarrassing about myself and what is happening with me
>>right now. Demeaning I know but as of Friday I have a job. I will
>>understand if you all stop talking to me and stuff and won't hold it
>>against you but I felt is was right thing for me to do.
>
>Doing what exactly?

Training and Sales Support for an international player in the door entry
systems market. Extremely simple techie stuff but a lot of dealing with
buyers from the huge property developers.


--
steve auvache
A Bloo one with built in safety features

ginge

steve auvache wrote:
> Training and Sales Support for an international player in the door entry
> systems market.

<points to door>
"That door is closed."

<points to another door>
"This door is open, time for a practical exercise."
<Walks through open door>
"Well done!"

<waits for group to re-assemble>

"That door is locked..."
<points to another door>
"..time for a practical exercise."

*BANG*

"I told you it was locked... now this device I'm holding is called a
key.."

steve auvache

In article <MPG.210090df4574a5d1989a6a@news.zen.co.uk>, ginge <the.ginge
REMOVE@THISgmail.com> writes
>steve auvache wrote:
>> Training and Sales Support for an international player in the door entry
>> systems market.
>
><points to door>
>"That door is closed."
>
><points to another door>
>"This door is open, time for a practical exercise."
><Walks through open door>
>"Well done!"
>
><waits for group to re-assemble>
>
>"That door is locked..."
><points to another door>
> "..time for a practical exercise."
>
>*BANG*
>
>"I told you it was locked... now this device I'm holding is called a
>key.."

I dunno the precise details yet but I don't think it is quite as
technical as that.

I do get a very generous staff discount though and already have my eye
on either the bluetooth or the fingerprint recognition one for home use.



--
steve auvache
the man pages are my friend

steve auvache

In article <fmtc939elih74ggcjqomukcp49etc6i8ji@4ax.com>,
deadmail@burnt.org.uk writes
> Paul Corfield <aooy65@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
><kitc93lee43291pv2u11118sspb2g3o5nm@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:06:19 +0100, steve auvache
>><dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:

> Demeaning I know but as of Friday I have a job.

>>
>>Doing what exactly?
>
>Working for one of Cane's agencies?
>
>Shag a Grandad;

Sounds like a good plan to me.


> If you're really
>fortunate he might even take his socks off too.

Hey, there are limits you know and you may have just stepped beyond
them.


--
steve auvache
A Bloo one with built in safety features

Des

steve auvache <dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
> In article <d76im4-7sg.ln1@sivan.coughlan.fr>, Des <des@yahoo.fr> writes
>>steve auvache <dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:

>>I haven't looked at RedHat (or any of its derivatives) for yonks. They
>>still using those retarded 'RPM's'?

> Yes they are. You do have to wonder about them at times.
>
> And for good measure it helps if you do the /full/ install first because
> gcc is not there on the basic, as I have just found out and spent the
> last hour correcting with a delete, reconfigure and full install.

You used to be able to choose exactly what you wanted in your distribution
(if only Apple would let you install Mac OS-X the same way..). Tp be
fair, though, Solaris doesn't (IIRC) have gcc when you do a standard
install, either. I remember having to go to solarisfreeware.com or
something, to get gcc, to let me install the stuff I wanted.

D.
--
des | 'trop d'la balle, j'kiffe grave!'
BMW K100-LT

dog

ginge wrote:
> "I told you it was locked... now this device I'm holding is called a
> key.."

- and may i introduce you to my colleagues mr hamfist over there with the
jemmy, and miss snikipiki hiding there in the corner with the bump keys.
--
dog
sl1000 two#5

Phil Launchbury

In article <bJnhITBBBllGFw4y@auvache.force9.co.uk>, steve auvache wrote:
> In article <28shm4-q6e.ln1@sivan.coughlan.fr>, Des <des@yahoo.fr> writes
>>steve auvache <dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
>>> I remain unimpressed with the fedora (Linux) install process
>>
>>Hardly surprising if you use a system that's for tinkerers and students.
>>Here, this will put an end to the pain you're suffering ...
>
> You don't know how tempted I am to join the rants about the user
> friendliness or otherwise of Linux distros, really you don't.

http://www.ubuntu.com

You know it makes sense.

>>http://www.uk.freebsd.org/
>
> Not as long as my arse points downwards

Quite right. Those BSD types are all a bit strange (says the man who
uses Mac OS X which is BSD-based)..

Phil.

--
Phil Launchbury, IT PHB
'I'm training the bats that live in my cube
to juggle mushrooms'

Ben

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:50:05 +0200, Des <des@yahoo.fr> wrote:

>steve auvache <dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
>> In article <u92im4-akg.ln1@sivan.coughlan.fr>, Des <des@yahoo.fr> writes
>>>steve auvache <dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
>>>> In article <28shm4-q6e.ln1@sivan.coughlan.fr>, Des <des@yahoo.fr> writes
>>>>>steve auvache <dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>>>>http://www.uk.freebsd.org/
>
>>>> Not as long as my arse points downwards
>
>>>You should consider it.
>
>> At the moment I am more into shooting VmWare technical authors.
>>
>> Do this they say to get at the VmWare tools:
>>
>> mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
>>
>> Course this is a perfectly good command, nothing wrong with it at all but
>> to save hassle it would have been nice for the not so expert/rusty if
>> they had mentioned the usefulness of doing something like this first
>>
>> mkdir /dev/cdrom
>
>Well, you can't really expect to mount a device, where there's no mount
>point...

It's rather quaint that an operating system actually requires the user
to mount a device.
--
ZX-10R

dog

Ben wrote:
> It's rather quaint that an operating system actually requires the user
> to mount a device.

ya. i always fink that when i go clicky clicky on a dmg. dam fing nose
i wanna open it, dunit? why do i need to go clicky clicky?
--
dog
sl1000 two#5

Ben

On 13 Jul 2007 14:35:18 GMT, dog <dog@dev.null> wrote:

>Ben wrote:
>> It's rather quaint that an operating system actually requires the user
>> to mount a device.
>
>ya. i always fink that when i go clicky clicky on a dmg. dam fing nose
>i wanna open it, dunit? why do i need to go clicky clicky?

:-)

But honestly, from a usability pov, the 'thing' should be detected and
mounted automatically.
--
ZX-10R

Phil Launchbury

In article <k08f93pcuvgkmb2ftmos2hiiu6g2rskag3@4ax.com>, Ben wrote:
> On 13 Jul 2007 14:35:18 GMT, dog <dog@dev.null> wrote:
>
>>ya. i always fink that when i go clicky clicky on a dmg. dam fing nose
>>i wanna open it, dunit? why do i need to go clicky clicky?
>
> But honestly, from a usability pov, the 'thing' should be detected and
> mounted automatically.

And in the modern distros designed for desktop use they are[1]..

Phil.

[1] Mandriva, Ubuntu et. al.

--
Phil Launchbury, IT PHB
'I'm training the bats that live in my cube
to juggle mushrooms'

steve auvache

In article <469736d3$0$24754$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>, dog
<dog@dev.null> writes
>ginge wrote:
>> "I told you it was locked... now this device I'm holding is called a
>> key.."
>
>- and may i introduce you to my colleagues mr hamfist over there with the
> jemmy, and miss snikipiki hiding there in the corner with the bump keys.

It has been an interesting day and the only comment I can make is that
experience has already taught me that you have seriously overestimated
the intelligence and abilities of my clients.



--
steve auvache
A Bloo one with built in safety features

steve auvache

In article <ffojm4-l7i.ln1@sivan.coughlan.fr>, Des <des@yahoo.fr> writes
>steve auvache <dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
>> In article <d76im4-7sg.ln1@sivan.coughlan.fr>, Des <des@yahoo.fr> writes
>>>steve auvache <dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>>I haven't looked at RedHat (or any of its derivatives) for yonks. They
>>>still using those retarded 'RPM's'?
>
>> Yes they are. You do have to wonder about them at times.
>>
>> And for good measure it helps if you do the /full/ install first because
>> gcc is not there on the basic, as I have just found out and spent the
>> last hour correcting with a delete, reconfigure and full install.
>
>You used to be able to choose exactly what you wanted in your distribution
>(if only Apple would let you install Mac OS-X the same way..).

But who wants to go through a list of a zillion little apps at install
them, only some wierdy beardy types. To be fair to Red Hat there were
three options, Minimalist User Environbment, Web Developer and
Programmer/Systems Developer.




--
steve auvache
A Bloo one with built in safety features

ogden

steve auvache wrote:
>
> In article <ffojm4-l7i.ln1@sivan.coughlan.fr>, Des <des@yahoo.fr> writes
> >steve auvache <dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
> >> In article <d76im4-7sg.ln1@sivan.coughlan.fr>, Des <des@yahoo.fr> writes
> >>>steve auvache <dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>>I haven't looked at RedHat (or any of its derivatives) for yonks. They
> >>>still using those retarded 'RPM's'?
> >
> >> Yes they are. You do have to wonder about them at times.

RPMs are alright. Not perfect, by a long shot, but miles ahead of simple
tgz files as used by the likes of Slackware back in the day.


> >> And for good measure it helps if you do the /full/ install first because
> >> gcc is not there on the basic, as I have just found out and spent the
> >> last hour correcting with a delete, reconfigure and full install.
> >
> >You used to be able to choose exactly what you wanted in your distribution
> >(if only Apple would let you install Mac OS-X the same way..).
>
> But who wants to go through a list of a zillion little apps at install
> them, only some wierdy beardy types. To be fair to Red Hat there were
> three options, Minimalist User Environbment, Web Developer and
> Programmer/Systems Developer.

....and when you've selected one of those, you then have the choice of
accepting the default packages for that set, or going in and
adding/removing sepecific packages (grouped by function) as you like.
After that it'll work out the dependencies for anything you've
added/removed, and then continue with the installation process as
normal.

Follow the prompts. Or, if you want gcc on there, do "yum install gcc"
and it'll work the rest out for you.

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ogden
sv650 - surprisingly quick for a girl's bike

steve auvache

In article <4697BD35.39887504@pre.org>, ogden <ogden@pre.org> writes
>Follow the prompts. Or, if you want gcc on there, do "yum install gcc"
>and it'll work the rest out for you.

It's all about being bitten before see. I have had cause in the past to
not have gcc on the machine and go and get it only to find that there
are dependencies and stuff that a simple getting of gcc doesn't go
anywhere near far enough to in order to satisfy the snotty "and now this
one is missing" that that action only leads to. Nope I saw the error of
my ways and went back and took the full install as soon as I had my
first complaint about stuff still missing.

We have driver issues starting now I think. X windows falls over in
doing it's rc complaining there ain't no such driver as vmware. Hmmm.




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A Bloo one with built in safety features

ogden

steve auvache wrote:
>
> We have driver issues starting now I think. X windows falls over in
> doing it's rc complaining there ain't no such driver as vmware. Hmmm.

I have to say, it's about a month since I last set up a Fedora VM, and I
had none of the problems you seem to be running in to.

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ogden
sv650 - surprisingly quick for a girl's bike

Phil Launchbury

In article <yWxbveAZ76lGFwMe@auvache.force9.co.uk>, steve auvache wrote:
> In article <ffojm4-l7i.ln1@sivan.coughlan.fr>, Des <des@yahoo.fr> writes
>>steve auvache <dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>You used to be able to choose exactly what you wanted in your distribution
>>(if only Apple would let you install Mac OS-X the same way..).
>
> But who wants to go through a list of a zillion little apps at install
> them, only some wierdy beardy types. To be fair to Red Hat there were

Go on - you know you want to try a modern linux disrto like Ubuntu..

It has a well thought-out install.

Phil

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Phil Launchbury, IT PHB
'I'm training the bats that live in my cube
to juggle mushrooms'

Champ