porl

"Pip" <pip@ukrm.net> wrote in message
news:094qe0dc3qq131dcdcotufp964poh2c414@4ax.com...
> Well, do you - or don't you?
>
> I do; all the time. I have been advised by better and faster riders
> that I shouldn't when on the open road as it improves throttle control
> and "makes you concentrate more and ride quicker". Well, I'm
> generally as quick as I want to be, tyvm, and in any case, even if I
> have firmly resolved to peel my index and second fingers away from
> hovering over the lever, when I next glance down, there they are
> again, ready for brake action.
>
> Now I put it to the great unspellchecked - should I modify my
> behaviour in this respect?

I always cover the front in town, and stay away from it on the open road but
even then I move to cover it if I see anything untoward and always when I
see a car at a junction or approaching one. The only downside of covering it
for me is when I go for the brake and haven't completely shut the throttle
which can cause moments.

Ben

On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:56:42 +0100, "porl" <porl@btinternet.com> wrote:

>
>"Pip" <pip@ukrm.net> wrote in message
>news:094qe0dc3qq131dcdcotufp964poh2c414@4ax.com.. .
>> Well, do you - or don't you?
>>
>> I do; all the time. I have been advised by better and faster riders
>> that I shouldn't when on the open road as it improves throttle control
>> and "makes you concentrate more and ride quicker". Well, I'm
>> generally as quick as I want to be, tyvm, and in any case, even if I
>> have firmly resolved to peel my index and second fingers away from
>> hovering over the lever, when I next glance down, there they are
>> again, ready for brake action.
>>
>> Now I put it to the great unspellchecked - should I modify my
>> behaviour in this respect?
>
>I always cover the front in town, and stay away from it on the open road but
>even then I move to cover it if I see anything untoward and always when I
>see a car at a junction or approaching one. The only downside of covering it
>for me is when I go for the brake and haven't completely shut the throttle
>which can cause moments.

I cover the back when filtering at slow speeds.

Reasoning because I can control a rear wheel slide but not a front if
I panic and lock it. Worked so far.
--
GSXR1000 DIAABTCOD#11 BOTAFOT#75
"We take these risks, not to escape from life,
but to prevent life escaping from us."
http://www.bensales.com

porl

"Ben" <ukrm@bensales.com> wrote in message
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> I cover the back when filtering at slow speeds.

I do when filtering at under 30 mph as it prevents front wheel dive.

James Austin

"porl" <porl@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Ben" <ukrm@bensales.com> wrote in message
> news:mkbqe0134msbpkfufaf0kv3ai4vjl21ptd@4ax.com...
>
>> I cover the back when filtering at slow speeds.
>
> I do when filtering at under 30 mph as it prevents front wheel dive.
>
>

unless i am out on the open roads, i always cover my back brake. Though,
first bike i ever had, a cg125, not more than 4 miles from buying it, and
without even knowing it, my foot decided to rest on the back brake. Nice
slide!. Strong smell. But i held it. I can control my back brake now
thankfully!

Oist
CBF600

flash@work

"James Austin" <givememychoice@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10eqc7cb5egni25@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "porl" <porl@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:2l4pcjF8c04kU1@uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "Ben" <ukrm@bensales.com> wrote in message
> > news:mkbqe0134msbpkfufaf0kv3ai4vjl21ptd@4ax.com...
> >
> >> I cover the back when filtering at slow speeds.
> >
> > I do when filtering at under 30 mph as it prevents front wheel dive.
> >
> >
>
> unless i am out on the open roads, i always cover my back brake. Though,
> first bike i ever had, a cg125, not more than 4 miles from buying it, and
> without even knowing it, my foot decided to rest on the back brake. Nice
> slide!. Strong smell. But i held it. I can control my back brake now
> thankfully!
>
You've not got ABS have you?

James Austin

>>
>> unless i am out on the open roads, i always cover my back brake. Though,
>> first bike i ever had, a cg125, not more than 4 miles from buying it, and
>> without even knowing it, my foot decided to rest on the back brake. Nice
>> slide!. Strong smell. But i held it. I can control my back brake now
>> thankfully!
>>
> You've not got ABS have you?
>
>

On my newest bike, i do actually, never actually had it kick in yet. (and
thats not why i can control the brakes now...its down to the fact that i
have more than 4 hours on a motorbike, as i did at the time)

Oist
CBF600

flash@work

"James Austin" <givememychoice@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10eqhgooc8d8808@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
> >>
> >> unless i am out on the open roads, i always cover my back brake.
Though,
> >> first bike i ever had, a cg125, not more than 4 miles from buying it,
and
> >> without even knowing it, my foot decided to rest on the back brake.
Nice
> >> slide!. Strong smell. But i held it. I can control my back brake now
> >> thankfully!
> >>
> > You've not got ABS have you?
> >
> >
>
> On my newest bike, i do actually, never actually had it kick in yet. (and
> thats not why i can control the brakes now...its down to the fact that i
> have more than 4 hours on a motorbike, as i did at the time)
>

Thought so. First japanese middleweight with ABS IIRC. Why not just slam the
brakes on as hard as possible then?

dwb

Ben wrote:
>
> I can guess pretty easily. 1st gear on the GSXR will go up to a lot
> of mph. I just never change out of first and don't rev too high.


Ace will be along shortly to tell you you can do it in 6th. :-)

Ace

On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:35:10 +0100, "dwb" <parc_erom@crossdata.co.uk>
wrote:

>Ben wrote:
>>
>> I can guess pretty easily. 1st gear on the GSXR will go up to a lot
>> of mph. I just never change out of first and don't rev too high.
>
>
>Ace will be along shortly to tell you you can do it in 6th. :-)

Eh? What? <reads thread> Oh, 30mph filtering? Yeah, 'course you can,
although p'raps 3rd or 4th might be slightly more appropriate, but
leaving it in 1st just seems plain wrong to me.

--
Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom)
GSX-R1000K3, CB400F2
BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, BOTCdV#1

James Austin

>>
>
> Thought so. First japanese middleweight with ABS IIRC. Why not just slam
> the
> brakes on as hard as possible then?
>
>

Its only an option, on the cbf. but it was £300 and that includes a
centrestand. centrestand was £200 on its own. Anyway, i will only do an
emergency stop in an emergency. Call me boring, but i drive sensibly.
(doesnt mean i stick to the speed limits). Maybe im also paranoid of
effectively losing my balance as i am thrust forward...and as the bike
finally stops dead, me falling over to one side. (the bike is about 230ish
kg in riding condition...and i am about 58kg (9 1/2 stone)). Anyway, im
getting OT. Basically i drive sensibly and smoothly (and if you saw another
post from me today, i said i generally try and avoid using brakes even in
the city (edinburgh) except to bring the bike from about 5mph to dead. That
is, unless im out having fun. If anybody lives in edinburgh and has to get
into the city from the north west side, use the shore road/marine drive. You
never get more than one or two cars, and the double S is immensely fun. It
adds 2 miles every morning and evening, but i get into work at a fixed time
and with a big grin on my face, rather than the miserable c*nts in their
cars who have been stuck in traffic.

Oist
CBF600

Muck

porl wrote:

> "Ben" <ukrm@bensales.com> wrote in message
> news:mkbqe0134msbpkfufaf0kv3ai4vjl21ptd@4ax.com...
>
>
>>I cover the back when filtering at slow speeds.
>
>
> I do when filtering at under 30 mph as it prevents front wheel dive.
>
>

Why is front wheel dive so bad at under 30 mph?

porl

"Muck" <muck@dsl_TEETH_.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:40ed5197$0$6451$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
> porl wrote:
>
> > "Ben" <ukrm@bensales.com> wrote in message
> > news:mkbqe0134msbpkfufaf0kv3ai4vjl21ptd@4ax.com...
> >
> >
> >>I cover the back when filtering at slow speeds.
> >
> >
> > I do when filtering at under 30 mph as it prevents front wheel dive.
> >
> >
>
> Why is front wheel dive so bad at under 30 mph?

When you're slipping through 2 lines of traffic it's nice if you can slow
the bike down without affecting steering. The pogoing effect of the front
can be tiring and generally makes things a little trickier.

flash@work

"James Austin" <givememychoice@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10eqkr3jqpek7b3@corp.supernews.com...
>
> >>
> >
> > Thought so. First japanese middleweight with ABS IIRC. Why not just slam
> > the brakes on as hard as possible then?
> >
>
> Its only an option, on the cbf. but it was £300 and that includes a
> centrestand. centrestand was £200 on its own. Anyway, i will only do an
> emergency stop in an emergency.

I would have thought it would be worthwhile to go out and deliberately
trigger the ABS to see what its like, rather than wait for an actual
emergency.

James Austin

"flash@work" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2l536iF8rsvdU1@uni-berlin.de...
>
> "James Austin" <givememychoice@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10eqkr3jqpek7b3@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Thought so. First japanese middleweight with ABS IIRC. Why not just
>> > slam
>> > the brakes on as hard as possible then?
>> >
>>
>> Its only an option, on the cbf. but it was £300 and that includes a
>> centrestand. centrestand was £200 on its own. Anyway, i will only do an
>> emergency stop in an emergency.
>
> I would have thought it would be worthwhile to go out and deliberately
> trigger the ABS to see what its like, rather than wait for an actual
> emergency.
>
>
>

if i ever need it, ill find out then. there wont be a whole lot to do in an
actual emergency where i require to stop. Slam on brakes 100%. wet myself.
Stop:- hopefully before hitting solid object!.

Oist
CBF600

Muck

porl wrote:

> "Muck" <muck@dsl_TEETH_.pipex.com> wrote in message
> news:40ed5197$0$6451$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
>
>>porl wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Ben" <ukrm@bensales.com> wrote in message
>>>news:mkbqe0134msbpkfufaf0kv3ai4vjl21ptd@4ax.com ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I cover the back when filtering at slow speeds.
>>>
>>>
>>>I do when filtering at under 30 mph as it prevents front wheel dive.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Why is front wheel dive so bad at under 30 mph?
>
>
> When you're slipping through 2 lines of traffic it's nice if you can slow
> the bike down without affecting steering. The pogoing effect of the front
> can be tiring and generally makes things a little trickier.
>
>

Ahh.. I see, sort of. Never had a problem with using the front brake
myself. There again I don't ride a sports bike so less of my weight is
on my wrists.

porl

"Muck" <muck@dsl_TEETH_.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:40ed5f7c$0$6446$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
> porl wrote:

> >>Why is front wheel dive so bad at under 30 mph?
> >
> >
> > When you're slipping through 2 lines of traffic it's nice if you can
slow
> > the bike down without affecting steering. The pogoing effect of the
front
> > can be tiring and generally makes things a little trickier.
> >
> >
>
> Ahh.. I see, sort of. Never had a problem with using the front brake
> myself. There again I don't ride a sports bike so less of my weight is
> on my wrists.

My commute into the centre of London is between 25% and 80% filtering
between traffic, depending on the what time I'm travelling. The turnover -
literally in some cases- of bikes is quite high. I generally see an
accident -or more often the results of an accident -about once every 2-3
weeks. Anything that ups the percentage in my favour is a good thing.

Muck

porl wrote:

> "Muck" <muck@dsl_TEETH_.pipex.com> wrote in message
> news:40ed5f7c$0$6446$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
>
>>porl wrote:
>
>
>>>>Why is front wheel dive so bad at under 30 mph?
>>>
>>>
>>>When you're slipping through 2 lines of traffic it's nice if you can
>
> slow
>
>>>the bike down without affecting steering. The pogoing effect of the
>
> front
>
>>>can be tiring and generally makes things a little trickier.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Ahh.. I see, sort of. Never had a problem with using the front brake
>>myself. There again I don't ride a sports bike so less of my weight is
>>on my wrists.
>
>
> My commute into the centre of London is between 25% and 80% filtering
> between traffic, depending on the what time I'm travelling. The turnover -
> literally in some cases- of bikes is quite high. I generally see an
> accident -or more often the results of an accident -about once every 2-3
> weeks. Anything that ups the percentage in my favour is a good thing.
>
>

True for the same reasons you don't use the front brake in a U turn
also. Yes, I can see your point now. Also the filtering when going into
London may be a little different than the sort of filtering I do in
sleepy old (F)Uckfield.

John Munro

In article <10eqnf7qu3ngk2d@corp.supernews.com>,
"James Austin" <givememychoice@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"flash@work" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:2l536iF8rsvdU1@uni-berlin.de...
>>
>> "James Austin" <givememychoice@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:10eqkr3jqpek7b3@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Thought so. First japanese middleweight with ABS IIRC. Why not just
>>> > slam
>>> > the brakes on as hard as possible then?
>>> >
>>>
>>> Its only an option, on the cbf. but it was £300 and that includes a
>>> centrestand. centrestand was £200 on its own. Anyway, i will only do an
>>> emergency stop in an emergency.
>>
>> I would have thought it would be worthwhile to go out and deliberately
>> trigger the ABS to see what its like, rather than wait for an actual
>> emergency.
>>
>>
>>
>
>if i ever need it, ill find out then. there wont be a whole lot to do in an
>actual emergency where i require to stop. Slam on brakes 100%. wet myself.
>Stop:- hopefully before hitting solid object!.

Go out and have a play with it FFS.
Grab a handful of front at 60mph, in the wet.
You won't fall off, no *really*. [1]

[1] Don't do it under ~5 mph though.

--
John
NX650
VFR800 Vtec (ABS)

Muck

John Munro wrote:

> In article <10eqnf7qu3ngk2d@corp.supernews.com>,
> "James Austin" <givememychoice@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"flash@work" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:2l536iF8rsvdU1@uni-berlin.de...
>>
>>>"James Austin" <givememychoice@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:10eqkr3jqpek7b3@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>>>Thought so. First japanese middleweight with ABS IIRC. Why not just
>>>>>slam
>>>>>the brakes on as hard as possible then?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Its only an option, on the cbf. but it was £300 and that includes a
>>>>centrestand. centrestand was £200 on its own. Anyway, i will only do an
>>>>emergency stop in an emergency.
>>>
>>>I would have thought it would be worthwhile to go out and deliberately
>>>trigger the ABS to see what its like, rather than wait for an actual
>>>emergency.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>if i ever need it, ill find out then. there wont be a whole lot to do in an
>>actual emergency where i require to stop. Slam on brakes 100%. wet myself.
>>Stop:- hopefully before hitting solid object!.
>
>
> Go out and have a play with it FFS.
> Grab a handful of front at 60mph, in the wet.
> You won't fall off, no *really*. [1]
>
> [1] Don't do it under ~5 mph though.
>

ABS gets interesting when it stops working, but the warning light
doesn't come on. Locking the wheels on a fast[1] tweaked up Renault 21
Turbo at +100mph is not much fun.

I must get myself an ABS bike one day, as long as it's never _ever_ a
French bike, if there is such a thing these days.

[1]For cage values of fast.

Pip

Ben <ukrm@bensales.com> struggled to ejaculate:

>>"Pip" <pip@ukrm.net> wrote:

>>> Well, do you - or don't you?

>I cover the back when filtering at slow speeds.
>
>Reasoning because I can control a rear wheel slide but not a front if
>I panic and lock it. Worked so far.

I do too, and agree completely. Filtering in Lane 2a on the M1
through stationary (or near-stationary) traffic for example - first or
second gear (plenty of noise, engine braking), covering the back brake
and using it to bleed off speed when things get tight - and two
fingers of each hand covering the levers.

When the bike feels comfortable in third it's generally time to stop
filtering as the traffic has caught up ;-)

--
Pip, Ex - Hairy Gfedcker. RF 900RR, Ruff and Rattly.
WS* DFWAG#0 IbW#27* DIAABTCOD#15 GP#0 EKP FUB#4 MKA+E#3
ANORAK#8 MIRTTH#15 BOTAFOT/F#47/34a BONY#13 KotMIB# <space>
UKRMRM#14 TWA#2

steve auvache

Muck wrote
>porl wrote:
>
>> "Ben" <ukrm@bensales.com> wrote in message
>> news:mkbqe0134msbpkfufaf0kv3ai4vjl21ptd@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>>I cover the back when filtering at slow speeds.
>>
>>
>> I do when filtering at under 30 mph as it prevents front wheel dive.
>>
>>
>
>Why is front wheel dive so bad at under 30 mph?

It means you are using the brakes, which may slow you down enough to
bring you close to stopping speeds and that is dangerous.


--
steve auvache

steve auvache

Muck wrote
> Also the filtering when going into
>London may be a little different than the sort of filtering I do in
>sleepy old (F)Uckfield.

I'll say.

The 64 mile return trip from here to Charring Cross adds up to 2-2 1/2
hours, depending on traffic. Comprising about 5 miles of urban feeder
roads, 20 miles of moving dual carriage way and the rest filtering. You
get very good at it very quickly or you get damaged, basically.



--
steve auvache

Pip

"porl" <porl@btinternet.com> struggled to ejaculate:

>"Pip" <pip@ukrm.net> wrote in message
>news:094qe0dc3qq131dcdcotufp964poh2c414@4ax.com.. .
>> Well, do you - or don't you?

>I always cover the front in town, and stay away from it on the open road but
>even then I move to cover it if I see anything untoward and always when I
>see a car at a junction or approaching one.

I think most people *cover* the front in town - although, as you say
later, it is better to actually *use* the rear so that the front
doesn't dive and upset the bike; I also find involuntary
stoppies/skiddies quite off-putting, especially in the wet on white
lines and catseyes.

>The only downside of covering it
>for me is when I go for the brake and haven't completely shut the throttle
>which can cause moments.

Chattering from the rear, you mean? I find that I usually grab clutch
at the same time in that situation, so the engine just howls a little.

When covering the front I don't have my fingertips curled around the
lever, just resting flat on it. On the open road, as I roll on and
off the throttle, my fingers must slide back and forth across the top
of the lever. I suspect that I have to take a new grip on the
throttle to go WFO, however I've only been concious of that a few
times. As I snap the throttle shut my fingers automatically slide
forward and around the lever, allowing a good old squeeze.
Reciprocally, if I have to go for the brake I have to slide my mitt
forward a bit - which automatically shuts the throttle. Handy, that.

--
Pip, Ex - Hairy Gfedcker. RF 900RR, Ruff and Rattly.
WS* DFWAG#0 IbW#27* DIAABTCOD#15 GP#0 EKP FUB#4 MKA+E#3
ANORAK#8 MIRTTH#15 BOTAFOT/F#47/34a BONY#13 KotMIB# <space>
UKRMRM#14 TWA#2

wessie

Pip wrote in news03re01459nrc2riedresvel8ikounmf2q@4ax.com:

> "porl" <porl@btinternet.com> struggled to ejaculate:
>
>>"Pip" <pip@ukrm.net> wrote in message
>>news:094qe0dc3qq131dcdcotufp964poh2c414@4ax.com. ..
>>> Well, do you - or don't you?
>
>>I always cover the front in town, and stay away from it on the open
>>road but even then I move to cover it if I see anything untoward and
>>always when I see a car at a junction or approaching one.
>
> When covering the front I don't have my fingertips curled around the
> lever, just resting flat on it. On the open road, as I roll on and
> off the throttle, my fingers must slide back and forth across the top
> of the lever. I suspect that I have to take a new grip on the
> throttle to go WFO, however I've only been concious of that a few
> times. As I snap the throttle shut my fingers automatically slide
> forward and around the lever, allowing a good old squeeze.
> Reciprocally, if I have to go for the brake I have to slide my mitt
> forward a bit - which automatically shuts the throttle. Handy, that.
>

The last paragraph pretty much sums up the way I control the throttle &
brake. The only time my index/middle fingers are not resting on the top
of the brake lever are when giving it max beans or in winter when I curl
them around the heated grip to warm up a bit; although I'm more likely
to do this when stationary at traffic lights whilst holding the bike
using the rear brake. The GS has nice hand guards which helps keep my
extended digits warmer.

--
BMW R1150GS

sweller

Muck wrote:

> I must get myself an ABS bike one day, as long as it's never ever a
> French bike, if there is such a thing these days.

Why not French?

--
Simon

Brighton | MYSOB: http://www.sweller.co.uk/sob/
England | MZSOB: http://www.mztech.fsnet.co.uk/

Muck

steve auvache wrote:
> Muck wrote
>
>>Also the filtering when going into
>>London may be a little different than the sort of filtering I do in
>>sleepy old (F)Uckfield.
>
>
> I'll say.
>
> The 64 mile return trip from here to Charring Cross adds up to 2-2 1/2
> hours, depending on traffic. Comprising about 5 miles of urban feeder
> roads, 20 miles of moving dual carriage way and the rest filtering. You
> get very good at it very quickly or you get damaged, basically.
>
>
>

Talking about filtering, why don't the scooter boi types do it here?
Using their scooters as a stop gap until they get a car, thus thinking
car all the time? Useless at filtering? Stupid? All three?

For filtering practice, I go into Brighton and if I know it's going to
be really busy, I take the CG125. That gets through smaller gaps.

Muck

sweller wrote:

> Muck wrote:
>
>
>>I must get myself an ABS bike one day, as long as it's never ever a
>>French bike, if there is such a thing these days.
>
>
> Why not French?
>

You've not had to work on anything machanical and French?

Rope

Porl spoke:
> > Now I put it to the great unspellchecked - should I modify my
> > behaviour in this respect?
>
> I always cover the front in town, and stay away from it on the open road but
> even then I move to cover it if I see anything untoward and always when I
> see a car at a junction or approaching one.

<Nods>

--
Rob_P
UKRM(at)indqualtec.co.uk
uppercase(d) BBIWYMC#1 BOG#11? MRO#31 IBCDBBB#1(kotl)
FJ1200, CCM130
Just call me Charlie Brown

Paul Corfield

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 20:42:06 +0100, Muck <muck@dsl_TEETH_.pipex.com>
wrote:

>Talking about filtering, why don't the scooter boi types do it here?
>Using their scooters as a stop gap until they get a car, thus thinking
>car all the time? Useless at filtering? Stupid? All three?

all 3 IMO. You see it in London too - people waddling along between the
cars when there's oodles of space for them to filter in.
--
Paul C - "the big camp bastard" (tm d.a.r.s.y)
VFR800 | ZX6R | R1150GS
BOD#5, two#4, BOTAFOT#23, BOTAFOF#4, URMSBC#09, COFF#09
Admits to working for London Underground!

sweller

Muck wrote:

> > Why not French?
>
> You've not had to work on anything machanical and French?

The Renault 4 Fiona had was excellent to work on; the 2CV we had for a
bit was well designed in its own Gallic way.

No worse than a comparable BMC/Leyland.

--
Simon

Brighton | MYSOB: http://www.sweller.co.uk/sob/
England | MZSOB: http://www.mztech.fsnet.co.uk/

Salad Dodger

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 21:49:41 +0100, Paul Corfield
<aooy65@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 20:42:06 +0100, Muck <muck@dsl_TEETH_.pipex.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Talking about filtering, why don't the scooter boi types do it here?
>>Using their scooters as a stop gap until they get a car, thus thinking
>>car all the time? Useless at filtering? Stupid? All three?
>
>all 3 IMO. You see it in London too - people waddling along between the
>cars when there's oodles of space for them to filter in.

I had a first, on Monday: a "feet-up" commute.

6 miles, 4 right turns, 14 sets of lights, and 6 pelican crossings.

Two-up.

Quite chuffed, I was.
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Pip

Salad Dodger <saladybobs@dsl.pipex.com> struggled to ejaculate:

>I had a first, on Monday: a "feet-up" commute.
>
>6 miles, 4 right turns, 14 sets of lights, and 6 pelican crossings.
>
>Two-up.
>
>Quite chuffed, I was.

Linda got her licence, then.

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On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 22:28:22 +0100, Pip <pip@ukrm.net> wrote:

>Salad Dodger <saladybobs@dsl.pipex.com> struggled to ejaculate:
>
>>I had a first, on Monday: a "feet-up" commute.
>>
>>6 miles, 4 right turns, 14 sets of lights, and 6 pelican crossings.
>>
>>Two-up.
>>
>>Quite chuffed, I was.
>
>Linda got her licence, then.

He-he.

Git.
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steve auvache

Salad Dodger wrote
>I had a first, on Monday: a "feet-up" commute.
>
>6 miles, 4 right turns, 14 sets of lights, and 6 pelican crossings.
>
>Two-up.
>
>Quite chuffed, I was.


Your first ever?

I are surprised.

Nevertheless, welcome to a very exclusive club.



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darsy

Salad Dodger <saladybobs@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

>I had a first, on Monday: a "feet-up" commute.
>
>6 miles, 4 right turns, 14 sets of lights, and 6 pelican crossings.

On three or four occasions I managed a "feet-up" commute from Ponder's
End to Blackheath, down the North/South route, through Walthamstow,
Leyton, A102, Blackwall tunnel etc. 15 miles or so.

I was much more pleased with myself the *one* time I managed to do the
same route without braking.

>Two-up.

that's the impressive part.
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