Re: Car vs. bike conrnering speeds

Ian <spam@ukrm.net (really address ian@ukrmREMOVETOMAIL.net)> wrote:

>Actually, I think you missed the point here, which was that the merc
>was crap car for going round corners.

But it's not, and that's the point you keep missing.

In absolute terms - not the terms you keep trying to throw in:
ultimate sports category, 100k + category - an SL55AMG corners well.

End of story. If you can't understand this simple proposition, you
are thicker than I thought.

--
Ben Blaney

Ben Blaney wrote:
>
> Ian <spam@ukrm.net (really address ian@ukrmREMOVETOMAIL.net)> wrote:
>
> >Actually, I think you missed the point here, which was that the merc
> >was crap car for going round corners.
>
> But it's not, and that's the point you keep missing.
>
> In absolute terms - not the terms you keep trying to throw in:
> ultimate sports category, 100k + category - an SL55AMG corners well.
>
> End of story. If you can't understand this simple proposition, you
> are thicker than I thought.

Apart from the braking into corners, and the accelerating out of them,
the actual cornering bit is determined by the coefficient of friction
between rubber and tarmac.

End of story. If you can't understand this simple proposition, you
are thicker than I thought. :-)

--
Roger.

Old Fart at Play wrote:
> Ben Blaney wrote:
>> Ian <spam@ukrm.net (really address ian@ukrmREMOVETOMAIL.net)> wrote:
>>
>> >Actually, I think you missed the point here, which was that the merc
>> >was crap car for going round corners.
>>
>> But it's not, and that's the point you keep missing.
>> In absolute terms - not the terms you keep trying to throw in:
>> ultimate sports category, 100k + category - an SL55AMG corners well.
>> End of story. If you can't understand this simple proposition, you
>> are thicker than I thought.
>
> Apart from the braking into corners, and the accelerating out of them,
> the actual cornering bit is determined by the coefficient of friction
> between rubber and tarmac.

Not really - otherwise you'd have skinny tyres and undamped soft or non
existant suspention on fast cars.

> End of story. If you can't understand this simple proposition, you
> are thicker than I thought. :-)

" "

--
ZX7RR.

The round window said it was Sun, 18 Apr 2004 13:09:39 +0300,so Ben
Blaney <benblaney@ukrm.net> grabbed his blunt crayon and scrawled:

>Ian <spam@ukrm.net (really address ian@ukrmREMOVETOMAIL.net)> wrote:
>
>>Actually, I think you missed the point here, which was that the merc
>>was crap car for going round corners.
>
>But it's not, and that's the point you keep missing.

I don't.

Where do you base this on?

My experience, is that it didn't corner well. On a track, it wasn't
that impressive.

>
>In absolute terms - not the terms you keep trying to throw in:
>ultimate sports category, 100k + category - an SL55AMG corners well.

Based on what exactly, a review, some facts perhaps?

>
>End of story. If you can't understand this simple proposition, you
>are thicker than I thought.

I've already pointed you to a review, that said the SL55 handles
poorly, I think based on experience, it handled poorly.

What, exactly, leads you to think, that it handles well?
--

Stoke me a clipper, I'll be back for Christmas...
R1150GS..just like it's owner, big, ugly but fun!
IBW #36 APOSTLE#14

Ian <spam@ukrm.net (really address ian@ukrmREMOVETOMAIL.net)> wrote:

>The round window said it was Sun, 18 Apr 2004 13:09:39 +0300,so Ben
>Blaney <benblaney@ukrm.net> grabbed his blunt crayon and scrawled:
>
>>
>>In absolute terms - not the terms you keep trying to throw in:
>>ultimate sports category, 100k + category - an SL55AMG corners well.
>
>Based on what exactly, a review, some facts perhaps?

Based on my experiences of a 1000 mile weekend in one.

>>End of story. If you can't understand this simple proposition, you
>>are thicker than I thought.
>
>I've already pointed you to a review, that said the SL55 handles
>poorly, I think based on experience, it handled poorly.
>
>What, exactly, leads you to think, that it handles well?

See above.

--
Ben Blaney

The round window said it was Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:55:30 +0300,so Ben
Blaney <benblaney@ukrm.net> grabbed his blunt crayon and scrawled:

>Ian <spam@ukrm.net (really address ian@ukrmREMOVETOMAIL.net)> wrote:
>
>>The round window said it was Sun, 18 Apr 2004 13:09:39 +0300,so Ben
>>Blaney <benblaney@ukrm.net> grabbed his blunt crayon and scrawled:
>>
>>>
>>>In absolute terms - not the terms you keep trying to throw in:
>>>ultimate sports category, 100k + category - an SL55AMG corners well.
>>
>>Based on what exactly, a review, some facts perhaps?
>
>Based on my experiences of a 1000 mile weekend in one.

Fair enough, you're the exception to the rule then.

Without making the argument circular, and just out of curiosity, what
had you driven, say the month before, or the month after, that you
used by way of comparison?

I'd had a go in a 355, and then a 360 back to back, I was quite amazed
at the leap forward the 360 was in driving terms, and after that the
SL55, felt quite sloppy, and showed it's weight. Later that day,
having a go in an Aston, the GT version, led me to hold that thought;
as I can't be arsed to google for it, but I think the Astons heavier
than the merc.

snip
>>What, exactly, leads you to think, that it handles well?
>
>See above.

--

Stoke me a clipper, I'll be back for Christmas...
R1150GS..just like it's owner, big, ugly but fun!
IBW #36 APOSTLE#14

Ian <spam@ukrm.net (really address ian@ukrmREMOVETOMAIL.net)> wrote:

>Without making the argument circular, and just out of curiosity, what
>had you driven, say the month before, or the month after, that you
>used by way of comparison?

I've no idea whatsoever. I drive exotica so frequently that I barely
pay it attention. Almost all my circle of friends at home are in the
motor trade or are serious car nuts. One worked for Ferrari, through
whom I got to drive all but one of the Ferraris I've drive. Others do
various things in various areas of the trade, and are very free with
their keys. A member of the family is CEO of an investment bank; you
may be able to identify his wheels from earlier in the thread. A good
mate is an oil broker with a penchant for M-cars. Another used to
race single-seaters of some sort and now gets his kicks on the roads
in a De Tomaso Pantera. Another is a eurobonds broker with a porsche,
a ferrari and an RS500. Another is editor of Redline magazine. I
spent some university vacations as a chauffeur for the Royal Family of
Dubai.

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Ben Blaney

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Ben Blaney	Re: Car vs. bike conrnering speeds Ian <spam@ukrm.net (really address ian@ukrmREMOVETOMAIL.net)> wrote: >Actually, I think you missed the point here, which was that the merc >was crap car for going round corners. But it's not, and that's the point you keep missing. In absolute terms - not the terms you keep trying to throw in: ultimate sports category, 100k + category - an SL55AMG corners well. End of story. If you can't understand this simple proposition, you are thicker than I thought. -- Ben Blaney

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Old Fart at Play	Re: Car vs. bike conrnering speeds Ben Blaney wrote: > > Ian <spam@ukrm.net (really address ian@ukrmREMOVETOMAIL.net)> wrote: > > >Actually, I think you missed the point here, which was that the merc > >was crap car for going round corners. > > But it's not, and that's the point you keep missing. > > In absolute terms - not the terms you keep trying to throw in: > ultimate sports category, 100k + category - an SL55AMG corners well. > > End of story. If you can't understand this simple proposition, you > are thicker than I thought. Apart from the braking into corners, and the accelerating out of them, the actual cornering bit is determined by the coefficient of friction between rubber and tarmac. End of story. If you can't understand this simple proposition, you are thicker than I thought. :-) -- Roger.

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Simian	Re: Car vs. bike conrnering speeds Old Fart at Play wrote: > Ben Blaney wrote: >> Ian <spam@ukrm.net (really address ian@ukrmREMOVETOMAIL.net)> wrote: >> >> >Actually, I think you missed the point here, which was that the merc >> >was crap car for going round corners. >> >> But it's not, and that's the point you keep missing. >> In absolute terms - not the terms you keep trying to throw in: >> ultimate sports category, 100k + category - an SL55AMG corners well. >> End of story. If you can't understand this simple proposition, you >> are thicker than I thought. > > Apart from the braking into corners, and the accelerating out of them, > the actual cornering bit is determined by the coefficient of friction > between rubber and tarmac. Not really - otherwise you'd have skinny tyres and undamped soft or non existant suspention on fast cars. > End of story. If you can't understand this simple proposition, you > are thicker than I thought. :-) " " -- ZX7RR.