Re: Brilliant racing.

Molly wrote:
> Simian wrote:
>> Champ wrote:
>>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:51:52 +0100, Andy Bonwick
>>>>
>>>> I've seen the footage and he could have taken you anywhere he
>>>> wanted. That's what the commentary says anyway.
>>>
>>> Heh. I spent most of the time checking my mirrors
>>
>> Vanity, thy name is Champ.
>
> Actually I think I know what he means and it's not vanity.

You don't perhaps think I was taking the piss at all then?

--
'Ray Stringer' ZX7RR. Heh. Heheh. Hehehehehehe.

On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 06:35:08 -0000, Simian
<Simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> wrote:

>Molly wrote:
>> Simian wrote:
>>> Champ wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:51:52 +0100, Andy Bonwick
>>>>>
>>>>> I've seen the footage and he could have taken you anywhere he
>>>>> wanted. That's what the commentary says anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Heh. I spent most of the time checking my mirrors
>>>
>>> Vanity, thy name is Champ.
>>
>> Actually I think I know what he means and it's not vanity.
>
>You don't perhaps think I was taking the piss at all then?

Don't forget, you're no longer dealing with a middle-aged computer
specialist with a PhD ... you're talking to Charlotte Church's little
sister.

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Salad Dodger <salad.dodger@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
<c4gil1$2het76$3@ID-26562.news.uni-berlin.de>:

>On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 06:35:08 -0000, Simian
><Simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> wrote:
>>You don't perhaps think I was taking the piss at all then?
>
>Don't forget, you're no longer dealing with a middle-aged computer
>specialist with a PhD ... you're talking to Charlotte Church's little
>sister.

*splutter*

--
it's better to burn out than fade away

On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:08:10 +0100, Salad Dodger
<salad.dodger@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 06:35:08 -0000, Simian
><Simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> wrote:
>
>>Molly wrote:
>>> Simian wrote:
>>>> Champ wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:51:52 +0100, Andy Bonwick
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've seen the footage and he could have taken you anywhere he
>>>>>> wanted. That's what the commentary says anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Heh. I spent most of the time checking my mirrors
>>>>
>>>> Vanity, thy name is Champ.
>>>
>>> Actually I think I know what he means and it's not vanity.
>>
>>You don't perhaps think I was taking the piss at all then?
>
>Don't forget, you're no longer dealing with a middle-aged computer
>specialist with a PhD ... you're talking to Charlotte Church's little
>sister.

Mind you, the Gower Formerly Known as Alan was never that sharp when
it came to the cut and thrust of usenet either, was he.
--
Champ
GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:23:01 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:08:10 +0100, Salad Dodger
><salad.dodger@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>
>>Don't forget, you're no longer dealing with a middle-aged computer
>>specialist with a PhD ... you're talking to Charlotte Church's little
>>sister.
>
>Mind you, the Gower Formerly Known as Alan was never that sharp when
>it came to the cut and thrust of usenet either, was he.

Good point, and, I'm feeling a little guilty, really. I appreciate
that Molly is going through a difficult[1] time, and I am prepared to
accept that hormones or whatever can have unusual[2] effects, but I
don't accept that they can transform a rational, if quaint,
middle-aged person, into a rambling half-witted teenager.

[1,2] I make no claims to "understand" how difficult or unusual.
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\|^|/ ANORAK#17
'^'

On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:47:05 +0100, Salad Dodger
<salad.dodger@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:23:01 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:08:10 +0100, Salad Dodger
>><salad.dodger@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Don't forget, you're no longer dealing with a middle-aged computer
>>>specialist with a PhD ... you're talking to Charlotte Church's little
>>>sister.
>>
>>Mind you, the Gower Formerly Known as Alan was never that sharp when
>>it came to the cut and thrust of usenet either, was he.
>
>Good point, and, I'm feeling a little guilty, really. I appreciate
>that Molly is going through a difficult[1] time, and I am prepared to
>accept that hormones or whatever can have unusual[2] effects, but I
>don't accept that they can transform a rational, if quaint,
>middle-aged person, into a rambling half-witted teenager.
>[1,2] I make no claims to "understand" how difficult or unusual.

while I agree with the comments about the rambling and very numerous
posts I would just make the point that when you go through the
fundamental step of realising who you *really* are that life in a whole
pile of ways starts again.

While you have taken a step to greater personal certainty your whole
world gets turned upside down. Previously you were (probably) in a
majority and aligned with society and its views; now you are in a
minority, scared of people's reactions and many of life's certainties
have gone. You need to rebuild your life and it can take years to do so
successfully.

From an entirely personal perspective I found it completely bizarre to
be in my thirties when I came out and feeling like a teenager who has
worked out (at last!) who he fancies. I had no teenage years to speak of
(in the context that a lot of people remember them) and it is a real
"gap" in my personality.

I can only understand to some extent what Molly is going through but I
can appreciate the ups and downs that she is experiencing. Whether you
choose to accept any of my reasoning / comment is, of course, entirely
up to you Mr Dodger.
--
Paul C - "the big camp bastard" (tm d.a.r.s.y)
VFR800 | ZX6R | R1150GS
BOD#5, two#4, BOTAFOT#23, BOTAFOF#4, URMSBC#09, COFF#09
Admits to working for London Underground!

On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:12:27 +0100, Paul Corfield
<aooy65@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> Whether you
>choose to accept any of my reasoning / comment is, of course, entirely
>up to you Mr Dodger.

Accepted.

I've said me piece, and now I'll keep my peace.

<shuts up>

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\|^|/ ANORAK#17
'^'

On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:08:10 +0100, Salad Dodger
<salad.dodger@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
snip>

>Don't forget, you're no longer dealing with a middle-aged computer
>specialist with a PhD ... you're talking to Charlotte Church's little
>sister.

You certainly know where to strike for the maximum effect.
--
Andy Bonwick
ZX9RE1
BOTAFOT#22,BONY#22,MRO#22,IBW#12,UKRMFBC#6,chi#2,U KRMRM#4
BOB#7,BOTAFOF#4398723498723.3,Mirtth#30,FTB#2

	#1
Simian	Re: Brilliant racing. Molly wrote: > Simian wrote: >> Champ wrote: >>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:51:52 +0100, Andy Bonwick >>>> >>>> I've seen the footage and he could have taken you anywhere he >>>> wanted. That's what the commentary says anyway. >>> >>> Heh. I spent most of the time checking my mirrors >> >> Vanity, thy name is Champ. > > Actually I think I know what he means and it's not vanity. You don't perhaps think I was taking the piss at all then? -- 'Ray Stringer' ZX7RR. Heh. Heheh. Hehehehehehe.

	#2
Salad Dodger	Re: Brilliant racing. On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 06:35:08 -0000, Simian <Simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> wrote: >Molly wrote: >> Simian wrote: >>> Champ wrote: >>>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:51:52 +0100, Andy Bonwick >>>>> >>>>> I've seen the footage and he could have taken you anywhere he >>>>> wanted. That's what the commentary says anyway. >>>> >>>> Heh. I spent most of the time checking my mirrors >>> >>> Vanity, thy name is Champ. >> >> Actually I think I know what he means and it's not vanity. > >You don't perhaps think I was taking the piss at all then? Don't forget, you're no longer dealing with a middle-aged computer specialist with a PhD ... you're talking to Charlotte Church's little sister. -- \| ___ Salad Dodger \|/ \ _/_____\_ GL1500SEV/CBR1100XXX/KH500A8/TS250C \|_\_____/_\| ..63043../..15107.../..3157./.19406 (>\|_\|_\|<) TPPFATUICG#7 DIAABTCOD#9 YTC#4 PM#5 \|__\|_\|__\| BOTAFOT #70 BOTAFOF #09 two#11 WG* \ \|^\| / IbW#0 & KotIbW# BotTOS#6 GP#4 \\|^\|/ ANORAK#17 '^'

	#3
deadmail@burnt.org.uk	Re: Brilliant racing. Salad Dodger <salad.dodger@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message <c4gil1$2het76$3@ID-26562.news.uni-berlin.de>: >On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 06:35:08 -0000, Simian ><Simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> wrote: >>You don't perhaps think I was taking the piss at all then? > >Don't forget, you're no longer dealing with a middle-aged computer >specialist with a PhD ... you're talking to Charlotte Church's little >sister. splutter -- it's better to burn out than fade away

	#4
Champ	Re: Brilliant racing. On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:08:10 +0100, Salad Dodger <salad.dodger@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: >On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 06:35:08 -0000, Simian ><Simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> wrote: > >>Molly wrote: >>> Simian wrote: >>>> Champ wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:51:52 +0100, Andy Bonwick >>>>>> >>>>>> I've seen the footage and he could have taken you anywhere he >>>>>> wanted. That's what the commentary says anyway. >>>>> >>>>> Heh. I spent most of the time checking my mirrors >>>> >>>> Vanity, thy name is Champ. >>> >>> Actually I think I know what he means and it's not vanity. >> >>You don't perhaps think I was taking the piss at all then? > >Don't forget, you're no longer dealing with a middle-aged computer >specialist with a PhD ... you're talking to Charlotte Church's little >sister. Mind you, the Gower Formerly Known as Alan was never that sharp when it came to the cut and thrust of usenet either, was he. -- Champ GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2 GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T\|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8 Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

	#6
Paul Corfield	Re: Brilliant racing. On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:47:05 +0100, Salad Dodger <salad.dodger@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: >On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:23:01 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote: > >>On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:08:10 +0100, Salad Dodger >><salad.dodger@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: >>> >>>Don't forget, you're no longer dealing with a middle-aged computer >>>specialist with a PhD ... you're talking to Charlotte Church's little >>>sister. >> >>Mind you, the Gower Formerly Known as Alan was never that sharp when >>it came to the cut and thrust of usenet either, was he. > >Good point, and, I'm feeling a little guilty, really. I appreciate >that Molly is going through a difficult[1] time, and I am prepared to >accept that hormones or whatever can have unusual[2] effects, but I >don't accept that they can transform a rational, if quaint, >middle-aged person, into a rambling half-witted teenager. >[1,2] I make no claims to "understand" how difficult or unusual. while I agree with the comments about the rambling and very numerous posts I would just make the point that when you go through the fundamental step of realising who you really are that life in a whole pile of ways starts again. While you have taken a step to greater personal certainty your whole world gets turned upside down. Previously you were (probably) in a majority and aligned with society and its views; now you are in a minority, scared of people's reactions and many of life's certainties have gone. You need to rebuild your life and it can take years to do so successfully. From an entirely personal perspective I found it completely bizarre to be in my thirties when I came out and feeling like a teenager who has worked out (at last!) who he fancies. I had no teenage years to speak of (in the context that a lot of people remember them) and it is a real "gap" in my personality. I can only understand to some extent what Molly is going through but I can appreciate the ups and downs that she is experiencing. Whether you choose to accept any of my reasoning / comment is, of course, entirely up to you Mr Dodger. -- Paul C - "the big camp bastard" (tm d.a.r.s.y) VFR800 \| ZX6R \| R1150GS BOD#5, two#4, BOTAFOT#23, BOTAFOF#4, URMSBC#09, COFF#09 Admits to working for London Underground!

	#8
Andy Bonwick	Re: Brilliant racing. On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:08:10 +0100, Salad Dodger <salad.dodger@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: snip> >Don't forget, you're no longer dealing with a middle-aged computer >specialist with a PhD ... you're talking to Charlotte Church's little >sister. You certainly know where to strike for the maximum effect. -- Andy Bonwick ZX9RE1 BOTAFOT#22,BONY#22,MRO#22,IBW#12,UKRMFBC#6,chi#2,U KRMRM#4 BOB#7,BOTAFOF#4398723498723.3,Mirtth#30,FTB#2